Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
IMO, it is philosophy. This all or nothing offense is just brutal to watch. I don't get how analytics see strike outs as just another out. I really wish this team went after Michael Brantley. We need more players like him. Why did everyone cream their pants over DJ last year? Oh, it is because he puts the ball in play. Why do people get frustrated with guys like Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez? Oh, it is because they K way too much.
be fine. Right now, the back end of their starting pitching and driving in runners is severely lacking. The pitching is probably the most critical because leaving men on base generally evens out in the longer run.
The issue they have currently is that two teams (Boston and TB) are hot, and they can't let the deficit get too wide. They need to start turning it around very quickly.
Yankees' hitters have become so enamored by hitting HRs that it becomes their plate approach everytime. The design of Yankee Stadium has probably contributed to that.
I have played competitive baseball most of my life and I can attest that whenever we played on a field or in a ballpark with a shorter fence, collectively our BAs went down, Ks went up. Subconsciously, we're all telling ourselves we can hit it out and it messes with our mechanics and our plate approach.
Guys who should be consistent line drive hitters (like Torres, Hicks, even Judge etc) are so hell bent on hitting it out it has reduced their focus on hitting clean line drives.
Gardner and Lemahieu have mostly figured it out and have stayed mostly on point.
What's that old line? You can't win it in April...
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
IMO, it is philosophy. This all or nothing offense is just brutal to watch. I don't get how analytics see strike outs as just another out. I really wish this team went after Michael Brantley. We need more players like him. Why did everyone cream their pants over DJ last year? Oh, it is because he puts the ball in play. Why do people get frustrated with guys like Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez? Oh, it is because they K way too much.
The pitching has been a disaster this year too.
I agree. Maybe I’m just a doofus, but to me the team construct is on Cashman though, not ownership. Maybe it was different with George.
But there's a general malaise around this team since last season. They're 38-37 since 2020 and issues are persisting that I'm not sure they can just flip a switch and make those go away. The patchwork starting pitching behind Cole, the downright bad defense and sloppy mistakes, and questionable bat to ball ability from so many in the lineup.
The offense won't hit like this all season, of course. Even though I have my concerns against good playoff pitching. But let's say that gets figured out for the regular season at least. I'm not sure where they turn though to fix the starting pitching and defense in season. With hindsight, it's a bit hard to understand how they essentially just brought back the same team from last season that showed obvious flaws.
It's early in the 2021 season, sure. But looking big picture, for this core group's contention window, it's getting a bit late in the game. I have to admit I'm concerned.
From a player development stand point, why are some of the young core pieces seemingly plateauing? We've already seen it with Sanchez and now Torres seems to be stuck in a rut with bad defense that could be carrying over into his hitting. 3 home runs in his last 220 plate appearances. I'm still a believer but we left 2019 thinking we had a budding superstar and now he looks a bit lost. Was the move back to SS that much of a hindrance for him?
I have been bitching about on other Yankee threads, I don’t understand why Tauchman doesn’t at least get a chance to platoon with Hicks. I’m not saying Tauchman is the next Mickey Mantle. However, right now he can’t do any worse than Hicks against righty’s. I have never had an issue with Boone. However, as Yogi would say it’s getting late early. Right now they have the worst record in the American League. Early or not, he has to be on the hot seat.
be fine. Right now, the back end of their starting pitching and driving in runners is severely lacking. The pitching is probably the most critical because leaving men on base generally evens out in the longer run.
The issue they have currently is that two teams (Boston and TB) are hot, and they can't let the deficit get too wide. They need to start turning it around very quickly.
TB is not hot, they just dominate the Yankees and they just swept a team playing terribly to get back to .500.
To me the biggest issue is the lackadaisical approach and mentality in every facet of the game. Defensively they are atrocious and I didn't check but they've got to lead the league or be top 3 in GIDP's.
And the Yankees can't do better than Thames as a hitting coach?
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
RE: RE: Stanton signing will rank as one of Cashman’s
It will be interesting to watch it play out. The people who run the Yankees on the field aren't going to reverse course and Hal doesn't seem like the type of owner to butt in during the season about on field issues. But they are tough to watch right now. It's ugly in every way.
But I think it's absolutely fair to wonder if they've taken too many half measures and tried to cut corners since 2017 at a time when their championship window has been wide open.
Their obsession with the luxury tax continues to baffle me
Thus far this is definitely looking like a season where the front office gambled and is going to lose on expecting former aces to regain their pre-injury form. The bats look lifeless. They look like they're stuck in mud running the bases and trying to compete, like the rest of MLB has left them behind and they're still trying to win with a method the rest of baseball has moved on from. It's not fun to watch.
doesn't this happen every year with them? don't they start slow typically and then end up 20 games over 500 or whatever it usually is? I'm surprised fans are this annoyed
be fine. Right now, the back end of their starting pitching and driving in runners is severely lacking. The pitching is probably the most critical because leaving men on base generally evens out in the longer run.
The issue they have currently is that two teams (Boston and TB) are hot, and they can't let the deficit get too wide. They need to start turning it around very quickly.
TB isn't hot. They're 5-1 against us and 3-7 against everyone else. They will need to prove they can beat more than the Yankees.
doesn't this happen every year with them? don't they start slow typically and then end up 20 games over 500 or whatever it usually is? I'm surprised fans are this annoyed
This is a much slower start than normal, but it is true to an extent.
Then again, during the Opening Day loss, you had posters calling for Cashman and Boone to be fired, so take from that what you will on the actual competency of those opinions.
doesn't this happen every year with them? don't they start slow typically and then end up 20 games over 500 or whatever it usually is? I'm surprised fans are this annoyed
Not this bad. Worst start since 1997. If they lose tomorrow, it's their worst start since 1972. Lose the next two, it's the worst since 1966.
but let's not act like the Yanks haven't done just about everything right the last 4-5-6 years. They didn't panic or make any desperate win now moves. They exhibited patience in regards to player development. When the best player in the world was available, the sprang to action and signed Cole.
Now, after their first horrible month in 5 years, they are horrible to watch, Cashman is a monster, every player is lazy and uninterested and Boone is in over his head. Oh and the owners don't want to win.
I still can't believe they went into the season with this rotation, Cole and a bunch of unprovens. The offense continues to struggle just like it did last postseason. They can't play defense. They're sloppy. Sanchez and Judge continue to plateau. Torres looks like he's doing the same thus far. It's scary bad right now and they can't do anything right.
38-37 over their last 75 games with a first round playoff exit mixed in. I'm not calling to blow it up, but it's fair to have some skepticism and wonder if the arrow is still pointing up for this group.
Ownership, general management, and field management
all have their heads up their ass. They all need to go.
This isn't just a slow start - it's a team in very deep trouble.
It's very poorly constructed, with a ton of right-handed hitters in a left-hander's ball park. They have three 2nd basemen, no shortstop, no first baseman until Voit returns, and several guys severely under-performing going back to last season. They aren't hitting and they aren't fielding.
Since you can't fire the owner, start by firing Cashman and Boone and all the so-called baseball people (the anal-ytics crowd) behind them. Then clean house on the player roster. Jay Bruce retiring before he was released was a small start.
I thought this was the case coming into the year, and it’s gone much worse than expected. Great teams are strong up the middle. Coming into the season I had huge doubts about Hicks, coming off an injury plagued season with one solid year as a starter. I did not want Gleyber’s glove at SS . He has had a horrific start there and at the plate. I’m confident he will hit but at his Very Best he will be a barely adequate glove.
Gary Sanchez will hit HR and .230, flailing at low and away sliders and coming up small against good pitchers in big spots. They should have moved on from Gary, made a run at Lindor, and done something about CF. I will be shocked if they get to 90+ wins. This has the look of an 80-85 win team. I fault Cashman for the missteps stated above.
Rant over. Go Knicks! Go Giants! The script has flipped....
If you swap "Mets" for "Yankees" now, will this clip work?
and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
RE: RE: RE: Ownership sucks. Boone looks over his head.
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
IMO, it is philosophy. This all or nothing offense is just brutal to watch. I don't get how analytics see strike outs as just another out. I really wish this team went after Michael Brantley. We need more players like him. Why did everyone cream their pants over DJ last year? Oh, it is because he puts the ball in play. Why do people get frustrated with guys like Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez? Oh, it is because they K way too much.
The pitching has been a disaster this year too.
Eschewing productive outs is what kills this offense. Need a deep fly? K. Need a ground ball? K.
Home runs are great, but the most consistent way to score is by not making outs. Baseball is a game of resource management, with that resource being 27 outs.
and they have ways to improve the rotation. Devi and Sevi will be here in time. Dont wanna rush it but we could use it.
Bruce leaving is a step up, Voits bat will be a big add still. Hicks and Fazier are stinking it up bad. almost time to send them down or to the IL and try to reset both of them before its too late.
it’s not the main reason why the team is playing so poorly right now. The only teams with worse wOBA than the Yankees are 4 teams who were widely predicted to be among the 4-5 worst teams in baseball this season. That’s not going to continue all season. The sloppiness of the defense and base running is UNFORGIVABLE and is 100% on the manager.
As for Cashman, the shortstop situation is a disaster entirely of his own making. I believe it’s also had a negative effect on Torres at the plate. The Stanton trade has proved to be a disaster simply because the player needs to be elite in order for the contract to not be an albatross. He took risks with the starting pitching and I think that it’s too early to call those failures.
and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
RE: RE: RE: Ownership sucks. Boone looks over his head.
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ownership sucks. Boone looks over his head.
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
I am starting to believe that Gleyber and Judge are NOT franchise cornerstones who should be given $100M+ contracts. I'd have scoffed at the idea 18 months ago, but the upcoming free agent class of players like Seager, Story, Correa are superior players outright. I'm not saying to dump these guys, but it feels like they may be lacking lacking the true stud bat.
Outside of Dominguez, there also aren't any premium position player prospects on the horizon. By all accounts it's a solid and deep system, but most of the intrigue seems to be on the pitching side (very high risk, unpredictable, and low hit-rate). Bottom line - offensive help isn't exactly "on the way".
But...I guess this is baseball. When you're running bad, it feels like everyone stinks and it's never going to end. I try to be measured in my assessment, but one month from now, even this post will hopefully seem like over-wrought hysteria.
Final point - I always steer myself out of the banter about frugal ownership, George is rolling over in his grave, etc etc etc. And I probably still will, because I don't find that stuff particularly interesting. But, I think they are due to fire some big rounds in a really solid FA class after resetting on the luxury tax in 2021.
while I agree it's still only April and early, a few things are
* the team is poorly constructed with too many of the same type of players. Big, muscle bound, HR or K hitters
* as many here have said, the Stanton trade was idiotic. they just get out from under the Ahole contract and they take on a worse one for an inferior (to Arod) player who can bench press models but can't stay on the field. Arod was a jerk and a roider, but he could play the whole game and was generally healthy until the very end. Stanton is untradeable and takes away any chance at versatility. Maybe work him out at 1b? IDK, probably can't stretch without popping something
* no lefty hitters at Yankee Stadium. Enough said.
* great Yankee teams traditonally are rock solid up the middle. How does Sanchez-Torres-DJLM-Hicks compare to Posada-Jeter-Knoblauch et al-Williams? or Munson-Dent-Randolph-Rivers? Berra-Kubek-Richardson-Mantle? Dickey-Crosetti-Gordon-DiMaggio? It doesn't.
* it's time to consider that some of these guys aren't going to be the players they had hoped. Judge is much better all around than Stanton, but has yet to prove he can stay healthy and is already 29. Sanchez has regressed as a hitter and not improved as a catcher. Hicks is great when he's hot, but it's never for long, and he's another who's always hurt. I Think Torres will hit if they move him to 2b. He can't play SS and it seems to be in his head now. Frazier still has fielding issues, but in his defense he doesn't get nearly the leash that others get. Voit is another boom/bust/always hurt guy who should be traded as soon as he shows something again.
* what would I do? 1) try to trade Voit as part of a package to get SS who can field and run. 2) move Torres to 2b, DJLM to 1st. Leave Frazier in LF every day until he proves that he truly can't handle it. Platoon Gardner and Hicks for a while.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ownership sucks. Boone looks over his head.
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
How have the title runs been without him?
Same as with him. I guess you missed the point.
Were you around when he ran the team into the ground as the '80s progressed into the '90s? They were a joke. Gabe Paul built the '70s run while GS was banned, Gene Micheal in the '90s. When every decent baseball mind left and George ran the team, it was a circus on managerial and roster changes that resulted in an empty stadium and fans wildly cheering when his 1990 suspension was announced.
Or strikeout team is exactly what they are and Cashman is simply not very good, he blew this rebuild, had he got a real shortstop and returned Torres to second maybe the guy would have relaxed a little, put some time on his hitting and he may have been able to get on a good track again, and Didi was there for the taking. Paying a DH 26 million a year when he can't stay healthy as a DH, add in the fact you already had Judge, a similar player who plays the same position. He has stuck with a horrible catcher who is beyond awful defensively and didn't hit .150 last season while he keeps the much better catcher on the bench. He has ruined the careers of Andujar and Tachman by not doing anything with them, could have traded Andujar instead of doing nothing with him. Has kept a player like Tachman benched when he could add an element the team sorely lacks. He continues to run out below par starting pitching staffs, all this with the highest or second highest payroll, and fired a great manager just when the team rebuild was looking great, we all know why he did that, but since he fired Giradi it was then that the stupid decisions started, nobody left to disagree with him.
i meant to say platoon Tauchman and Hicks, not Gardner
Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
How have the title runs been without him?
Same as with him. I guess you missed the point.
Were you around when he ran the team into the ground as the '80s progressed into the '90s? They were a joke. Gabe Paul built the '70s run while GS was banned, Gene Micheal in the '90s. When every decent baseball mind left and George ran the team, it was a circus on managerial and roster changes that resulted in an empty stadium and fans wildly cheering when his 1990 suspension was announced.
The Yankees won 7 times under big Stein, so, uh, no. Not the same as without him at all. Yes, he was a lunatic. But he didn't operate it for corporate partnerships and television revenue. He gave a shit about winning. Hal runs it like it's a publicly traded company. This of course is his right. But IMO it shows in the product on the field.
I spent more than complaining about the team than actually watching
them play. It’s that bad, there is only so much poor defense and missing meatballs down the middle one can take. Thank god for the Knicks.
There is not much room for manuvering with the way the team is constucted. Kluber and Taillon have to find their groove soon. Maybe Hicks will come down with an injury like he always does and Florial steps in to play great. Maybe Stanton pulls another muscle and Sanchez gets hot being the full time DH. Maybe Sevy comes back throwing BB’s and shores up the rotation. Maybe King blossoms into a reliable 5th starter.
Judge and Torres need to carry the team right now, if they want to become Yankee royalties.
I don't care if you dismiss the notion, whether you think I'm daft, ignorant, or stupid. I don't care at all. No one will ever persuade me that this current "window" (2016 to present) wasn't irreparably damaged and the chances for a championship greatly diminished on 9 December, 2017. That day was the beginning of the end.
and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
This has been another season after season issue. They wait for their pitch, but sometimes that's the first pitch. I can't tell you how many first pitch meatballs I've seen this team take, only to strikeout on a pitch so far in the dirt Sachin Tendulkar wouldn't swing at it
won't be their manager by May 1st?
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
IMO, it is philosophy. This all or nothing offense is just brutal to watch. I don't get how analytics see strike outs as just another out. I really wish this team went after Michael Brantley. We need more players like him. Why did everyone cream their pants over DJ last year? Oh, it is because he puts the ball in play. Why do people get frustrated with guys like Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez? Oh, it is because they K way too much.
The pitching has been a disaster this year too.
The issue they have currently is that two teams (Boston and TB) are hot, and they can't let the deficit get too wide. They need to start turning it around very quickly.
I have played competitive baseball most of my life and I can attest that whenever we played on a field or in a ballpark with a shorter fence, collectively our BAs went down, Ks went up. Subconsciously, we're all telling ourselves we can hit it out and it messes with our mechanics and our plate approach.
Guys who should be consistent line drive hitters (like Torres, Hicks, even Judge etc) are so hell bent on hitting it out it has reduced their focus on hitting clean line drives.
Gardner and Lemahieu have mostly figured it out and have stayed mostly on point.
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
IMO, it is philosophy. This all or nothing offense is just brutal to watch. I don't get how analytics see strike outs as just another out. I really wish this team went after Michael Brantley. We need more players like him. Why did everyone cream their pants over DJ last year? Oh, it is because he puts the ball in play. Why do people get frustrated with guys like Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez? Oh, it is because they K way too much.
The pitching has been a disaster this year too.
I agree. Maybe I’m just a doofus, but to me the team construct is on Cashman though, not ownership. Maybe it was different with George.
The offense won't hit like this all season, of course. Even though I have my concerns against good playoff pitching. But let's say that gets figured out for the regular season at least. I'm not sure where they turn though to fix the starting pitching and defense in season. With hindsight, it's a bit hard to understand how they essentially just brought back the same team from last season that showed obvious flaws.
It's early in the 2021 season, sure. But looking big picture, for this core group's contention window, it's getting a bit late in the game. I have to admit I'm concerned.
The issue they have currently is that two teams (Boston and TB) are hot, and they can't let the deficit get too wide. They need to start turning it around very quickly.
TB is not hot, they just dominate the Yankees and they just swept a team playing terribly to get back to .500.
To me the biggest issue is the lackadaisical approach and mentality in every facet of the game. Defensively they are atrocious and I didn't check but they've got to lead the league or be top 3 in GIDP's.
I agree. Unfortunately I think it leads to Judge’s next contract being elsewhere.
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
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worst trades ever! Can’t have a consistent hitting team with him and Judge in the lineup.
I agree. Unfortunately I think it leads to Judge’s next contract being elsewhere.
Judge is fun, but he's also 29 and can't stay healthy. There's not that much difference between him and Stanton in that way.
The issue they have currently is that two teams (Boston and TB) are hot, and they can't let the deficit get too wide. They need to start turning it around very quickly.
TB isn't hot. They're 5-1 against us and 3-7 against everyone else. They will need to prove they can beat more than the Yankees.
This is a much slower start than normal, but it is true to an extent.
Then again, during the Opening Day loss, you had posters calling for Cashman and Boone to be fired, so take from that what you will on the actual competency of those opinions.
Not this bad. Worst start since 1997. If they lose tomorrow, it's their worst start since 1972. Lose the next two, it's the worst since 1966.
Now, after their first horrible month in 5 years, they are horrible to watch, Cashman is a monster, every player is lazy and uninterested and Boone is in over his head. Oh and the owners don't want to win.
Time to get a grip. Wake me up in mid June.
This isn't just a slow start - it's a team in very deep trouble.
It's very poorly constructed, with a ton of right-handed hitters in a left-hander's ball park. They have three 2nd basemen, no shortstop, no first baseman until Voit returns, and several guys severely under-performing going back to last season. They aren't hitting and they aren't fielding.
Since you can't fire the owner, start by firing Cashman and Boone and all the so-called baseball people (the anal-ytics crowd) behind them. Then clean house on the player roster. Jay Bruce retiring before he was released was a small start.
Gary Sanchez will hit HR and .230, flailing at low and away sliders and coming up small against good pitchers in big spots. They should have moved on from Gary, made a run at Lindor, and done something about CF. I will be shocked if they get to 90+ wins. This has the look of an 80-85 win team. I fault Cashman for the missteps stated above.
Rant over. Go Knicks! Go Giants! The script has flipped....
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
IMO, it is philosophy. This all or nothing offense is just brutal to watch. I don't get how analytics see strike outs as just another out. I really wish this team went after Michael Brantley. We need more players like him. Why did everyone cream their pants over DJ last year? Oh, it is because he puts the ball in play. Why do people get frustrated with guys like Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez? Oh, it is because they K way too much.
The pitching has been a disaster this year too.
Eschewing productive outs is what kills this offense. Need a deep fly? K. Need a ground ball? K.
Home runs are great, but the most consistent way to score is by not making outs. Baseball is a game of resource management, with that resource being 27 outs.
Bruce leaving is a step up, Voits bat will be a big add still. Hicks and Fazier are stinking it up bad. almost time to send them down or to the IL and try to reset both of them before its too late.
As for Cashman, the shortstop situation is a disaster entirely of his own making. I believe it’s also had a negative effect on Torres at the plate. The Stanton trade has proved to be a disaster simply because the player needs to be elite in order for the contract to not be an albatross. He took risks with the starting pitching and I think that it’s too early to call those failures.
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In comment 15225543 Heisenberg said:
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
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In comment 15225548 Dang Man said:
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In comment 15225543 Heisenberg said:
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
How have the title runs been without him?
I am starting to believe that Gleyber and Judge are NOT franchise cornerstones who should be given $100M+ contracts. I'd have scoffed at the idea 18 months ago, but the upcoming free agent class of players like Seager, Story, Correa are superior players outright. I'm not saying to dump these guys, but it feels like they may be lacking lacking the true stud bat.
Outside of Dominguez, there also aren't any premium position player prospects on the horizon. By all accounts it's a solid and deep system, but most of the intrigue seems to be on the pitching side (very high risk, unpredictable, and low hit-rate). Bottom line - offensive help isn't exactly "on the way".
But...I guess this is baseball. When you're running bad, it feels like everyone stinks and it's never going to end. I try to be measured in my assessment, but one month from now, even this post will hopefully seem like over-wrought hysteria.
Final point - I always steer myself out of the banter about frugal ownership, George is rolling over in his grave, etc etc etc. And I probably still will, because I don't find that stuff particularly interesting. But, I think they are due to fire some big rounds in a really solid FA class after resetting on the luxury tax in 2021.
* the team is poorly constructed with too many of the same type of players. Big, muscle bound, HR or K hitters
* as many here have said, the Stanton trade was idiotic. they just get out from under the Ahole contract and they take on a worse one for an inferior (to Arod) player who can bench press models but can't stay on the field. Arod was a jerk and a roider, but he could play the whole game and was generally healthy until the very end. Stanton is untradeable and takes away any chance at versatility. Maybe work him out at 1b? IDK, probably can't stretch without popping something
* no lefty hitters at Yankee Stadium. Enough said.
* great Yankee teams traditonally are rock solid up the middle. How does Sanchez-Torres-DJLM-Hicks compare to Posada-Jeter-Knoblauch et al-Williams? or Munson-Dent-Randolph-Rivers? Berra-Kubek-Richardson-Mantle? Dickey-Crosetti-Gordon-DiMaggio? It doesn't.
* it's time to consider that some of these guys aren't going to be the players they had hoped. Judge is much better all around than Stanton, but has yet to prove he can stay healthy and is already 29. Sanchez has regressed as a hitter and not improved as a catcher. Hicks is great when he's hot, but it's never for long, and he's another who's always hurt. I Think Torres will hit if they move him to 2b. He can't play SS and it seems to be in his head now. Frazier still has fielding issues, but in his defense he doesn't get nearly the leash that others get. Voit is another boom/bust/always hurt guy who should be traded as soon as he shows something again.
* what would I do? 1) try to trade Voit as part of a package to get SS who can field and run. 2) move Torres to 2b, DJLM to 1st. Leave Frazier in LF every day until he proves that he truly can't handle it. Platoon Gardner and Hicks for a while.
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In comment 15225612 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15225548 Dang Man said:
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In comment 15225543 Heisenberg said:
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
How have the title runs been without him?
Same as with him. I guess you missed the point.
Were you around when he ran the team into the ground as the '80s progressed into the '90s? They were a joke. Gabe Paul built the '70s run while GS was banned, Gene Micheal in the '90s. When every decent baseball mind left and George ran the team, it was a circus on managerial and roster changes that resulted in an empty stadium and fans wildly cheering when his 1990 suspension was announced.
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In comment 15225851 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 15225612 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15225548 Dang Man said:
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In comment 15225543 Heisenberg said:
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Cashman can't stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. This team is hard to watch.
Just curious, why do you say they suck? They’re spending money, just not in the right places in some cases. Is that Cashman or the GM?
They have the highest revenue (at least pre covid) of all teams and yet have treated the luxury tax like a hard cap at a time when ostensibly they're trying to win something. They put in price floors for the ticket resale market so regular fans couldn't pick up great last minute tickets on the cheap on stubhub. They built that monster stadium with a freakin steakhouse and sushi bar in it that's more like going to a vegas casino than a ballpark. Expensive seats sit empty on TV and the actual fans are farther away from the game then ever.
And the family is running it like a business, not the fever dream passion project their dad did before them. They have every right to make money but I miss the owner who actually gave a shit about how the team played and not the balance sheet. Everything they've done since 2009 has been geared toward catering to wealthy fan and has left the regular fans behind.
George was a boob. it's no coincidence that both title runs began while he was banned from baseball.
How have the title runs been without him?
Same as with him. I guess you missed the point.
Were you around when he ran the team into the ground as the '80s progressed into the '90s? They were a joke. Gabe Paul built the '70s run while GS was banned, Gene Micheal in the '90s. When every decent baseball mind left and George ran the team, it was a circus on managerial and roster changes that resulted in an empty stadium and fans wildly cheering when his 1990 suspension was announced.
The Yankees won 7 times under big Stein, so, uh, no. Not the same as without him at all. Yes, he was a lunatic. But he didn't operate it for corporate partnerships and television revenue. He gave a shit about winning. Hal runs it like it's a publicly traded company. This of course is his right. But IMO it shows in the product on the field.
There is not much room for manuvering with the way the team is constucted. Kluber and Taillon have to find their groove soon. Maybe Hicks will come down with an injury like he always does and Florial steps in to play great. Maybe Stanton pulls another muscle and Sanchez gets hot being the full time DH. Maybe Sevy comes back throwing BB’s and shores up the rotation. Maybe King blossoms into a reliable 5th starter.
Judge and Torres need to carry the team right now, if they want to become Yankee royalties.
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and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
This has been another season after season issue. They wait for their pitch, but sometimes that's the first pitch. I can't tell you how many first pitch meatballs I've seen this team take, only to strikeout on a pitch so far in the dirt Sachin Tendulkar wouldn't swing at it