and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
This has been another season after season issue. They wait for their pitch, but sometimes that's the first pitch. I can't tell you how many first pitch meatballs I've seen this team take, only to strikeout on a pitch so far in the dirt Sachin Tendulkar wouldn't swing at it
I’ll go a step further. How many have looked at a strike 3 right down the middle. Maybe a lot of them are guess hitters. I don’t know.
and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
This has been another season after season issue. They wait for their pitch, but sometimes that's the first pitch. I can't tell you how many first pitch meatballs I've seen this team take, only to strikeout on a pitch so far in the dirt Sachin Tendulkar wouldn't swing at it
It's plain common sense. Every pitcher wants to get ahead 0-1. You have to be ready to hit it because it may be the best pitch you see. We used to drill that into the kids heads in Babe Ruth.
the more pissed I am at the Astros for stealing that series in 2017. That team had the "it" factor the '96 team had and was going to win the World Series if not for the trash cans and the trash players who benefited. It fair to wonder if that's as close as this group will get.
and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
Same. I love small ball. Always have. And good defense.
So maybe it's my ignorance and my preferences speaking but I think this HR or SO model is killing the team.
I don't care if you dismiss the notion, whether you think I'm daft, ignorant, or stupid. I don't care at all. No one will ever persuade me that this current "window" (2016 to present) wasn't irreparably damaged and the chances for a championship greatly diminished on 9 December, 2017. That day was the beginning of the end.
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that trade was a classic "Big Stein" move. Can you hear him saying "my baseball people said "gotta have Giancarlo Stanton!""
RE: Listen, Yanks will turn it around and be in the playoffs as usual
and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
Analytics don't say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Analytics merely say that drawing walks is a skill that adds value and should be factored into a hitter's performance. Any offensive outcome that doesn't result in an out is positive.
But no one says a walk is as good or better than a hit (unless it's bases loaded in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th-- then a walk is as good as a hit).
Generally speaking, averaging across all contexts, here are the run values of each type of result at the plate. If an out is worth 0 runs, a walk is worth 0.55 runs, a single .7, etc. (this was taken from all data from 2010-2015 and so the weights might be updated)
BB 0.55
HBP 0.57
1B 0.70
2B 1.00
3B 1.27
HR 1.65
This is why many people don't love SLG% (and therefore think OPS is flawed since it's half SLG)
who makes the postseason and in the postseason. It's the ultimate "in the long run" sport.
The postseason is more of a crapshoot, prone to cold streaks and slumps.
As a result teams like the Yankees are trying to construct rosters that will give the team the best chance to win in the long run, since that is what will most likely get them into the postseason.
Now, do I think that the postseason rewards teams more who are better at not striking out and being more dynamic at the plate? Yes, but it's a balancing act because you don't want to go away from the ability to first get to the postseason. I'd like to see the Yankees think more about versatility, but I can't ignore the fantastic regular season success they've had.
As a style, I don't love watching the three true-outcome batting (HR, strikeout walk), but as a strategy it has worked for the Yankees.
Run scored rank across all of baseball
2021: 25th
2020: 4th
2019: 1st
2018: 2nd
2017: 2nd
The Yankees didn't change their philosophy writ large. They are just having a down year and a bad start.
signed Stanton to the huge dumdass contract not long after we got rid of the A-Rod ball and chain contract. Cashman sucks and needs to go. Then there is the milk toast Aaron Boone. Fire this chump. Who thinks he is a good leader? See ya! There are 2 good reasons we can't win meaningful games. Ownership needs to kick some butt.
I have watched the Yankees with while writing on these threads. For many years.
Why?
Because I think we have lost some perspective. Just some. A lot I agree with. I would have liked for them to have traded Sanchez two years ago. Or after his first major league season. The data was there from the way he conducted himself in the minor leagues.
I think they over valued Frazier and Torres and Andujar several years ago and now its too late. Compare that to their spot on calls of the over hyped minor leaguers in the past
Lack of boldness. Especially when it came to Didi. But the pre emptive years long play for Cole was the Yankees at their best and may yet pay off.
Here is where our critiques veer off from a fuller perspective (again just imo):
1) If they had Severino alone...uninjured and learning from Cole....we would all be singing differently. Very differently about our devastating 1-2 punch Ace 1 and 1A
Thats not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault
2) Ditto German
3) To a lesser extent, Schmidt and Voit. Not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault.
Neither was it their fault to assume as many of us on this site did - that Torres could play SS well.
Neither was it their fault (and it colors our frustration) that the Astros behaved perhaps worse than the Black Sox during this time. True shitheads and wreckers of the sport whose stink still lingers for any Yankee fan.
DJ/Urshela/Voit. Brilliant and unexpected calls. Same Cashman that sewed up Severino for his peak years and ended a multi year pursuit of Cole for the Yankees with a win.
They are playing bad. Far below potential. Their pitching staff doesnt have the innings and development carrying over from last year.
Last time I saw such a dissapointing start to the year was 1998. Should have traded Williams and Posada while they had trade value. Silly to expect that Rivera guy to have any more longevity than most relief pitchers. Tino is very limited. Lots of slow aging guys. Brosius on his last legs and hitting under 240. Tampa staff vs NY. Fucking Levine still had a say. George was old and tired and not well. Had to behave given one suspension already. Torre killed pitchers and destroyed bullpens.
I have watched the Yankees with while writing on these threads. For many years.
Why?
Because I think we have lost some perspective. Just some. A lot I agree with. I would have liked for them to have traded Sanchez two years ago. Or after his first major league season. The data was there from the way he conducted himself in the minor leagues.
I think they over valued Frazier and Torres and Andujar several years ago and now its too late. Compare that to their spot on calls of the over hyped minor leaguers in the past
Lack of boldness. Especially when it came to Didi. But the pre emptive years long play for Cole was the Yankees at their best and may yet pay off.
Here is where our critiques veer off from a fuller perspective (again just imo):
1) If they had Severino alone...uninjured and learning from Cole....we would all be singing differently. Very differently about our devastating 1-2 punch Ace 1 and 1A
Thats not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault
2) Ditto German
3) To a lesser extent, Schmidt and Voit. Not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault.
Neither was it their fault to assume as many of us on this site did - that Torres could play SS well.
Neither was it their fault (and it colors our frustration) that the Astros behaved perhaps worse than the Black Sox during this time. True shitheads and wreckers of the sport whose stink still lingers for any Yankee fan.
DJ/Urshela/Voit. Brilliant and unexpected calls. Same Cashman that sewed up Severino for his peak years and ended a multi year pursuit of Cole for the Yankees with a win.
They are playing bad. Far below potential. Their pitching staff doesnt have the innings and development carrying over from last year.
Last time I saw such a dissapointing start to the year was 1998. Should have traded Williams and Posada while they had trade value. Silly to expect that Rivera guy to have any more longevity than most relief pitchers. Tino is very limited. Lots of slow aging guys. Brosius on his last legs and hitting under 240. Tampa staff vs NY. Fucking Levine still had a say. George was old and tired and not well. Had to behave given one suspension already. Torre killed pitchers and destroyed bullpens.
Because I think we have lost some perspective. Just some. A lot I agree with. I would have liked for them to have traded Sanchez two years ago. Or after his first major league season. The data was there from the way he conducted himself in the minor leagues.
I think they over valued Frazier and Torres and Andujar several years ago and now its too late. Compare that to their spot on calls of the over hyped minor leaguers in the past
How exactly did they “overvalue” Andujar? He had a terrific rookie season and has been injured ever since. He wasn’t exposed in any way. They should’ve foreseen that Frazier’s 350+ wOBA over parts of 3 seasons would turn to 220 as soon as they gave him the starting position? And Torres... I honestly don’t know what to say about that. The guy was a top 10 prospect. Yes, he needs to be moved off of short. But what are you saying? That they should’ve traded him years ago? Heck, why not add Judge and Sevy to the list?
and most of this stuff will be forgotten quickly once these guys start playing to their potential. They're not a juggernaut right now and that's ok. Many championship teams didn't start out as world-beaters - and as fans of NY teams, we have learned that lesson well by this point.
Not to be overly dramatic but I peaked in my athletic career at Division I football and a short semi-Pro career. But I've watched enough sports, played in enough games, practiced enough, worked off-season's enough, and coached enough players back in the day to know when a team is off. Something - something you can't quite put your finger on - is off with this current iteration of Yankees. It's like a soup that has all the right ingredients, but the taste is still off. Something's funky. There's no flavor, no depth, no heart. You can't coach that (to a point), you can't buy it and you can't hope for it.
I was asking myself the other day - who is the leader of this team? Who's the beacon of excellence, leadership, performance and knowledge that everyone can rally around in tough times? To me, it's a team of individuals right now who are pressing. Pressing so hard to the point where the on-field performance is affected adversely.
As fans, we need to be patient - while also being pissed off at signings like Stanton, Hicks extension, Bruce, etc. They never felt like the right moves to begin with. Stanton for hundreds of millions of dollars? A fucking DH?
The pissed off part of me says the build of the new Yankees Stadium was something that changed the trajectory of the organization. Fool's Gold in the new digs despite #27. It was a corporate hellhole with obstructed views, exorbitant prices, accessibility issues, empty seats behind homeplate, and a generic malaise that I found completely off-putting. The new HTRB was predicated on catering to the fat-cat, the well-to-do, and the baseball latecomer more interested in Instagram selfies then filling out a scorecard - such is modern sports, I suppose. Lame-ass attempt at a multi-use stadium with the soccer games, football bowls, concerts, hockey etc. Trost's comment that "rich people can't bear to be sitting next to people not as rich" and the price floor deal with Stubhub was IT for me.
I've not visited the new stadium as a personal choice after growing up going to as many games as possible with my dad at the old address, eating Sabrett's, filling out the books together and enjoying a sunny Bronx afternoon.
It may strike some of you as corny - championship notwithstanding - but 2009 really broke my heart with the new stadium, new outlook on organizational tactics and goals and a real fuck you to the very fans who propped the pinstripes up on a pedestal for decades. I can't even sit through a third of the game now without switching channels, pausing to watch something else and FFW'ing or recording it and rifling thru virtually the entire game.
as the manager. Aaron Boone is a nice guy. I do not like the way he manages the game. He may be great handling the locker room and personalities. He just does not have it on the field. I dislike his lineups.
I think Frazier will be fine. He got his chance and is pressing. His OF defense last year was a huge jump, but why he is freezing at the plate is beyond me besides pressure to succeed.
I agree Torres is also pressing. Bad SS, good 2nd baseman. His at bats have never been questioned or ever been bad in his career. Why now?
Love Judge and all he can do. If he stays healthy, but that is a huge issue.
My question is why all of a sudden, aside from DJLM are they are looking for pitches. All of them are starring at 3rd strikes and meatball pitches. They seem to be all guessing.
Somebody mentioned playing too many minor leaguers in ST and I think this is correct to an extent. About two weeks before the season they started losing every day after winning about 10 or 12 in a row. I do not think the starters got enough ABs late in ST.
It is very hard to understand how an entire team(except DJLM) just stopped hitting and can look so lost. Judge, Torres, Stanton are all .280 to .310 hitters, and Frazier is close to that. What the heck has gone wrong?
Did I remotely say Torres was terrible? I said the management should not be blamed for him not doing well at ss. I said Didi at ss and therfore logically Torres at 2nd made more sense. Period. You confused yourself. We are actually in violent agreement.
Abdujar had several years of poor defensive play and good hitting. Its not like he was a great infielder when he got to the majors. He was never a championship level infielder. He was replaceable with a better player. Witness Ursula. Witness DJ. Witness their judgements and actions instead of trying to fight on the internet.
Frazier I made no comment on whatsoever on this thread. None.
Who are you fighting with? and why? and over what?
Im just another Yankee fan and not any enemy of yours
I was 100% wrong. I did speak of Frazier. My bad. To me Frazier is unproven as an all around full season corner outfielder on a championship team. He was not able to do that in prior years. Lets see if their valuation on him was correct this year.
My miss. Shouldn't have posted last thing half asleep
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and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
This has been another season after season issue. They wait for their pitch, but sometimes that's the first pitch. I can't tell you how many first pitch meatballs I've seen this team take, only to strikeout on a pitch so far in the dirt Sachin Tendulkar wouldn't swing at it
I’ll go a step further. How many have looked at a strike 3 right down the middle. Maybe a lot of them are guess hitters. I don’t know.
Clint Frazier is BAD because he's not swinging! - ( New Window )
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and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
This has been another season after season issue. They wait for their pitch, but sometimes that's the first pitch. I can't tell you how many first pitch meatballs I've seen this team take, only to strikeout on a pitch so far in the dirt Sachin Tendulkar wouldn't swing at it
It's plain common sense. Every pitcher wants to get ahead 0-1. You have to be ready to hit it because it may be the best pitch you see. We used to drill that into the kids heads in Babe Ruth.
Same. I love small ball. Always have. And good defense.
So maybe it's my ignorance and my preferences speaking but I think this HR or SO model is killing the team.
that trade was a classic "Big Stein" move. Can you hear him saying "my baseball people said "gotta have Giancarlo Stanton!""
this is sort of what cash didnt want. i think cash has made his bed
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and lack of interest in high on-base players, is killing me as a fan. This has been going on for too many years. Torch me for it but this is my viewpoint.
That is not true. This team has been constructed with analytics in mind: OPB, OPS, HR's and walks. Remember, the analytics say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Part of the problem is that teams with solid pitching (like Tampa) seize the initiative by throwing strikes early in the count, while Yankee hitters are waiting for walks or hanging breaking balls.
Analytics don't say that a walk is as good if not better than a hit. Analytics merely say that drawing walks is a skill that adds value and should be factored into a hitter's performance. Any offensive outcome that doesn't result in an out is positive.
But no one says a walk is as good or better than a hit (unless it's bases loaded in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th-- then a walk is as good as a hit).
Generally speaking, averaging across all contexts, here are the run values of each type of result at the plate. If an out is worth 0 runs, a walk is worth 0.55 runs, a single .7, etc. (this was taken from all data from 2010-2015 and so the weights might be updated)
BB 0.55
HBP 0.57
1B 0.70
2B 1.00
3B 1.27
HR 1.65
This is why many people don't love SLG% (and therefore think OPS is flawed since it's half SLG)
The postseason is more of a crapshoot, prone to cold streaks and slumps.
As a result teams like the Yankees are trying to construct rosters that will give the team the best chance to win in the long run, since that is what will most likely get them into the postseason.
Now, do I think that the postseason rewards teams more who are better at not striking out and being more dynamic at the plate? Yes, but it's a balancing act because you don't want to go away from the ability to first get to the postseason. I'd like to see the Yankees think more about versatility, but I can't ignore the fantastic regular season success they've had.
As a style, I don't love watching the three true-outcome batting (HR, strikeout walk), but as a strategy it has worked for the Yankees.
Run scored rank across all of baseball
2021: 25th
2020: 4th
2019: 1st
2018: 2nd
2017: 2nd
The Yankees didn't change their philosophy writ large. They are just having a down year and a bad start.
Why?
Because I think we have lost some perspective. Just some. A lot I agree with. I would have liked for them to have traded Sanchez two years ago. Or after his first major league season. The data was there from the way he conducted himself in the minor leagues.
I think they over valued Frazier and Torres and Andujar several years ago and now its too late. Compare that to their spot on calls of the over hyped minor leaguers in the past
Lack of boldness. Especially when it came to Didi. But the pre emptive years long play for Cole was the Yankees at their best and may yet pay off.
Here is where our critiques veer off from a fuller perspective (again just imo):
1) If they had Severino alone...uninjured and learning from Cole....we would all be singing differently. Very differently about our devastating 1-2 punch Ace 1 and 1A
Thats not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault
2) Ditto German
3) To a lesser extent, Schmidt and Voit. Not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault.
Neither was it their fault to assume as many of us on this site did - that Torres could play SS well.
Neither was it their fault (and it colors our frustration) that the Astros behaved perhaps worse than the Black Sox during this time. True shitheads and wreckers of the sport whose stink still lingers for any Yankee fan.
DJ/Urshela/Voit. Brilliant and unexpected calls. Same Cashman that sewed up Severino for his peak years and ended a multi year pursuit of Cole for the Yankees with a win.
They are playing bad. Far below potential. Their pitching staff doesnt have the innings and development carrying over from last year.
Last time I saw such a dissapointing start to the year was 1998. Should have traded Williams and Posada while they had trade value. Silly to expect that Rivera guy to have any more longevity than most relief pitchers. Tino is very limited. Lots of slow aging guys. Brosius on his last legs and hitting under 240. Tampa staff vs NY. Fucking Levine still had a say. George was old and tired and not well. Had to behave given one suspension already. Torre killed pitchers and destroyed bullpens.
What a fucking mess.
Why?
Because I think we have lost some perspective. Just some. A lot I agree with. I would have liked for them to have traded Sanchez two years ago. Or after his first major league season. The data was there from the way he conducted himself in the minor leagues.
I think they over valued Frazier and Torres and Andujar several years ago and now its too late. Compare that to their spot on calls of the over hyped minor leaguers in the past
Lack of boldness. Especially when it came to Didi. But the pre emptive years long play for Cole was the Yankees at their best and may yet pay off.
Here is where our critiques veer off from a fuller perspective (again just imo):
1) If they had Severino alone...uninjured and learning from Cole....we would all be singing differently. Very differently about our devastating 1-2 punch Ace 1 and 1A
Thats not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault
2) Ditto German
3) To a lesser extent, Schmidt and Voit. Not Hals fault, Cashmans fault or Boones fault.
Neither was it their fault to assume as many of us on this site did - that Torres could play SS well.
Neither was it their fault (and it colors our frustration) that the Astros behaved perhaps worse than the Black Sox during this time. True shitheads and wreckers of the sport whose stink still lingers for any Yankee fan.
DJ/Urshela/Voit. Brilliant and unexpected calls. Same Cashman that sewed up Severino for his peak years and ended a multi year pursuit of Cole for the Yankees with a win.
They are playing bad. Far below potential. Their pitching staff doesnt have the innings and development carrying over from last year.
Last time I saw such a dissapointing start to the year was 1998. Should have traded Williams and Posada while they had trade value. Silly to expect that Rivera guy to have any more longevity than most relief pitchers. Tino is very limited. Lots of slow aging guys. Brosius on his last legs and hitting under 240. Tampa staff vs NY. Fucking Levine still had a say. George was old and tired and not well. Had to behave given one suspension already. Torre killed pitchers and destroyed bullpens.
What a fucking mess.
great post
and who won the world series in 98 ?
Because I think we have lost some perspective. Just some. A lot I agree with. I would have liked for them to have traded Sanchez two years ago. Or after his first major league season. The data was there from the way he conducted himself in the minor leagues.
I think they over valued Frazier and Torres and Andujar several years ago and now its too late. Compare that to their spot on calls of the over hyped minor leaguers in the past
How exactly did they “overvalue” Andujar? He had a terrific rookie season and has been injured ever since. He wasn’t exposed in any way. They should’ve foreseen that Frazier’s 350+ wOBA over parts of 3 seasons would turn to 220 as soon as they gave him the starting position? And Torres... I honestly don’t know what to say about that. The guy was a top 10 prospect. Yes, he needs to be moved off of short. But what are you saying? That they should’ve traded him years ago? Heck, why not add Judge and Sevy to the list?
Not to be overly dramatic but I peaked in my athletic career at Division I football and a short semi-Pro career. But I've watched enough sports, played in enough games, practiced enough, worked off-season's enough, and coached enough players back in the day to know when a team is off. Something - something you can't quite put your finger on - is off with this current iteration of Yankees. It's like a soup that has all the right ingredients, but the taste is still off. Something's funky. There's no flavor, no depth, no heart. You can't coach that (to a point), you can't buy it and you can't hope for it.
I was asking myself the other day - who is the leader of this team? Who's the beacon of excellence, leadership, performance and knowledge that everyone can rally around in tough times? To me, it's a team of individuals right now who are pressing. Pressing so hard to the point where the on-field performance is affected adversely.
As fans, we need to be patient - while also being pissed off at signings like Stanton, Hicks extension, Bruce, etc. They never felt like the right moves to begin with. Stanton for hundreds of millions of dollars? A fucking DH?
The pissed off part of me says the build of the new Yankees Stadium was something that changed the trajectory of the organization. Fool's Gold in the new digs despite #27. It was a corporate hellhole with obstructed views, exorbitant prices, accessibility issues, empty seats behind homeplate, and a generic malaise that I found completely off-putting. The new HTRB was predicated on catering to the fat-cat, the well-to-do, and the baseball latecomer more interested in Instagram selfies then filling out a scorecard - such is modern sports, I suppose. Lame-ass attempt at a multi-use stadium with the soccer games, football bowls, concerts, hockey etc. Trost's comment that "rich people can't bear to be sitting next to people not as rich" and the price floor deal with Stubhub was IT for me.
I've not visited the new stadium as a personal choice after growing up going to as many games as possible with my dad at the old address, eating Sabrett's, filling out the books together and enjoying a sunny Bronx afternoon.
It may strike some of you as corny - championship notwithstanding - but 2009 really broke my heart with the new stadium, new outlook on organizational tactics and goals and a real fuck you to the very fans who propped the pinstripes up on a pedestal for decades. I can't even sit through a third of the game now without switching channels, pausing to watch something else and FFW'ing or recording it and rifling thru virtually the entire game.
I think Frazier will be fine. He got his chance and is pressing. His OF defense last year was a huge jump, but why he is freezing at the plate is beyond me besides pressure to succeed.
I agree Torres is also pressing. Bad SS, good 2nd baseman. His at bats have never been questioned or ever been bad in his career. Why now?
Love Judge and all he can do. If he stays healthy, but that is a huge issue.
My question is why all of a sudden, aside from DJLM are they are looking for pitches. All of them are starring at 3rd strikes and meatball pitches. They seem to be all guessing.
Somebody mentioned playing too many minor leaguers in ST and I think this is correct to an extent. About two weeks before the season they started losing every day after winning about 10 or 12 in a row. I do not think the starters got enough ABs late in ST.
It is very hard to understand how an entire team(except DJLM) just stopped hitting and can look so lost. Judge, Torres, Stanton are all .280 to .310 hitters, and Frazier is close to that. What the heck has gone wrong?
Did I remotely say Torres was terrible? I said the management should not be blamed for him not doing well at ss. I said Didi at ss and therfore logically Torres at 2nd made more sense. Period. You confused yourself. We are actually in violent agreement.
Abdujar had several years of poor defensive play and good hitting. Its not like he was a great infielder when he got to the majors. He was never a championship level infielder. He was replaceable with a better player. Witness Ursula. Witness DJ. Witness their judgements and actions instead of trying to fight on the internet.
Frazier I made no comment on whatsoever on this thread. None.
Who are you fighting with? and why? and over what?
Im just another Yankee fan and not any enemy of yours
My miss. Shouldn't have posted last thing half asleep
Who says no?
Who says no?
Probably Girardi and Didi...