best guy standing at 11 for the Giants needs .....he's take the top off the D and he'll run back punts with the giants not in fear of injury because of 3 vets at WR on the roster.
to NOT have a guy make a noticeable impact come game time - even if it's a rookie. To me, if Smith is there, he's the guy who is the most high leverage player who can make a quicker impact. Even if he just occupies space at times, runs pro routes, blocks on the perimeter and offers a threat to defenses, opening up opportunities for teammates. I'm fine with that contribution.
Your top skill guys on O are Golladay, Jones and Saquon. Kenny is a nice piece and SB is coming off a serious knee injury. The jury is still out on Jones but my gut tells me he's got the gear to trend up.
Add another weapon - a young, precise route runner who works hard on and off the field - solid pedigree under Saban - he's the odds on favorite for me.
I'm not drafting a 6'3" 305 pound guy from Northwestern at #11 to play Guard. And Slater - imo - is a positional blocker who won't drive you off the ball. He lacks the size, strength and base to dominate as a Tackle. He opted out too. That I don't like. Great workouts, but I'm not sold at all. Draft a guy, change his position and hope he makes an impact on a seriously flawed team? That's a no from me, dawg. I'm not saying he's not going to be a good player in the league. But not right now for this particular team.
The highest G drafted over the last five years was Quinton Nelson (6'5" and 330) and Slater is NOT that dude. The next draft Guards were 25+ picks later since 2015.
They said they want more weapons for Jones. I think they will grab whichever of Smith or Waddle is leftover. And every year teams fall in love for WRs with speed. My guess is Waddle is gone and Smith will be the pick
If he is not there, and Slater is, then Slater. If neither are there, I hope for a trade down if possible. I don't want them reaching for someone because he fits a need. That to me is the worst case scenario.
but, I just get the sense he’ll be the pick. I’d like the pick a lot more if they dropped down a few spots, selected Paye and netted some more mid round picks.
Jaycee Horn (tho I wouldnt mind Parsons, Smith or Sewell - I think Sewell is gone I think Smith and Parsons are there - and I think Horn is a terrific pick and a main stay in the secondary for years to come)
but, I just get the sense he’ll be the pick. I’d like the pick a lot more if they dropped down a few spots, selected Paye and netted some more mid round picks.
I'd really like if they traded down and took Horn, though it sounds like Horn may be moving up.
The O-Line must be addressed first. We need to put DJ in the best position possible for success. Peart is not a sure thing. Same with Solder at swing tackle. People seem to keep throwing the “we could do a lot worse at swing tackle” line around when discussing Solder. He was a turnstile the last we saw of him. He’s older and hasn’t played an NFL snap in quite a while. The fact that he may no longer start won’t soothe me if he gets DJ killed. We can’t even guarantee Hernandez assumes a starting guard spot, and the thought of the kid we just picked up from the Texans starting scares me. Slater in Round 1z
Toney would be a great find in Round 2.
The Giants were able generate pressure last year by committee, and with a great year by LW. We’re getting Carter and Ximines back from injury. No reason to think we can’t continue to progress in that area from within. Edge Rusher can wait until Round 3.
Gettleman and Judge will recognize the this guy, more than any other prospect at 11, had the ability to affect the outcome.
#11, IMV represents the greatest opportunity to add a special player.
Ojulari without a trade down at #11. They've had their eyes on him since last year with Crowder. The only solace is that the pick isn't Paye who is an undersized tweener at a little over 6'2" and 261 lbs. Paye is 6'2" 261 lbs. - ( New Window )
I'm assuming Surtain will be gone to Dallas. I know the wr's and o lineman are tempting, but I think they'll view these two corners as equal or better prospects at a more valuable position. It's a deep draft at those two positions.
Trade down? I wouldn't rule it out, but I'm not expecting it to happen. If they want an edge, I doubt they'd trade back and risk losing him...I'm sure they don't have all those guys with question marks ranked equally.
I have absolutely no idea who the Giants will pick.
My past assumptions have demonstrated the futility of such predictions.
But my top 3 preferences in order are: Pitts, Smith or Paye. (AKA, Pootie Tang) Pitts and Smith likely both gone by #11. And while #11 might be a little early for Paye, and though his floor might not be as high as some edges, MY GAWD, the ceiling!
I wouldn't cry if Sewell was surprisingly still around at #11 either. In fact, I'd dance a jig. Lots of other decent prospects as well.
If you take Smith then Slayton never develops further.
You don't alter your draft strategy over Slaton, a 5th rounder who had a good rookie year. If he's good enough to get on the field, he can develop. He's a third-year player now
IMO The Giants love high floor guys vs going for “more juice.” The Giants prefer the dependable guy rather than going for that extra juice. And he’ll be a very good run stopper and over the years develop more as a pass rusher. This is the Giants style. A safe pick.
Albeit for me just another example of another underwhelming pick at 11. The 2 WR's and Slater “have more juice” imo. But Giants will look at these guys as too much risk –
IMO they look at some of the others as -- Slater is not a hog mollie and Smith is too slight and Waddle is small with injury concerns. I might even like Surtain over Paye but haven’t thought about that too much. And Parsons seems to have some bad behind the scenes inuendo. Giants don’t go for that.
Your top skill guys on O are Golladay, Jones and Saquon. Kenny is a nice piece and SB is coming off a serious knee injury. The jury is still out on Jones but my gut tells me he's got the gear to trend up.
Add another weapon - a young, precise route runner who works hard on and off the field - solid pedigree under Saban - he's the odds on favorite for me.
I'm not drafting a 6'3" 305 pound guy from Northwestern at #11 to play Guard. And Slater - imo - is a positional blocker who won't drive you off the ball. He lacks the size, strength and base to dominate as a Tackle. He opted out too. That I don't like. Great workouts, but I'm not sold at all. Draft a guy, change his position and hope he makes an impact on a seriously flawed team? That's a no from me, dawg. I'm not saying he's not going to be a good player in the league. But not right now for this particular team.
The highest G drafted over the last five years was Quinton Nelson (6'5" and 330) and Slater is NOT that dude. The next draft Guards were 25+ picks later since 2015.
My pick is Parsons
Then to chicago at 20 getting their second rounder
Giants take Vera Tucker at 20
Their three second round picks are
Oweh or Ossai Edge
Elijah Moore WR
Najee Harris RB
Not a bad haul for DG
Now I just woke up from dreaming
For the record I want Waddle and would be happy with Waddle/Smith/Surtain
I think they'd take Smith if he were there and I personally would prefer Parsons. Think both will be gone though, and Paye isn't an awful consolation.
They jump LAC and MIN to take Oline.
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but I fear it's going to be Paye.
"Mr. Almost"
You need to get out more. If a draft prodpect gets you that upset, maybe your priorities are out of whack.
Also Paye is more than a fine prospect.
Expect: Paye
Expect: Paye
I can’t believe I’m with you and be in abject pessimism.
The only thing that could really piss me off is if for some reason Lance is there at 11 and we pass.
From the slot; just like Steve Sarkasian had him doing it at Alabama.
If he's gone, gotta go with Kwity Paye; gotta catch those mangy QBs that got away last year.
Kwity Paye just passes the eye test, 270lb great speed and is a force on the outside so he is the pick at 11 (no trade down).
I also think it IS going to be the pick
I'd really like if they traded down and took Horn, though it sounds like Horn may be moving up.
I’m not the biggest Paye fan but I wouldn’t mind him as the pick.
If neither are there then someone has dropped
2. Toney
3. Best pass rusher available
The O-Line must be addressed first. We need to put DJ in the best position possible for success. Peart is not a sure thing. Same with Solder at swing tackle. People seem to keep throwing the “we could do a lot worse at swing tackle” line around when discussing Solder. He was a turnstile the last we saw of him. He’s older and hasn’t played an NFL snap in quite a while. The fact that he may no longer start won’t soothe me if he gets DJ killed. We can’t even guarantee Hernandez assumes a starting guard spot, and the thought of the kid we just picked up from the Texans starting scares me. Slater in Round 1z
Toney would be a great find in Round 2.
The Giants were able generate pressure last year by committee, and with a great year by LW. We’re getting Carter and Ximines back from injury. No reason to think we can’t continue to progress in that area from within. Edge Rusher can wait until Round 3.
Gettleman and Judge will recognize the this guy, more than any other prospect at 11, had the ability to affect the outcome.
#11, IMV represents the greatest opportunity to add a special player.
Paye is 6'2" 261 lbs. - ( New Window )
If you take Smith then Slayton never develops further.
I'm assuming Surtain will be gone to Dallas. I know the wr's and o lineman are tempting, but I think they'll view these two corners as equal or better prospects at a more valuable position. It's a deep draft at those two positions.
Trade down? I wouldn't rule it out, but I'm not expecting it to happen. If they want an edge, I doubt they'd trade back and risk losing him...I'm sure they don't have all those guys with question marks ranked equally.
But my top 3 preferences in order are: Pitts, Smith or Paye. (AKA, Pootie Tang) Pitts and Smith likely both gone by #11. And while #11 might be a little early for Paye, and though his floor might not be as high as some edges, MY GAWD, the ceiling!
I wouldn't cry if Sewell was surprisingly still around at #11 either. In fact, I'd dance a jig. Lots of other decent prospects as well.
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Makes too much sense not too happen
If you take Smith then Slayton never develops further.
You don't alter your draft strategy over Slaton, a 5th rounder who had a good rookie year. If he's good enough to get on the field, he can develop. He's a third-year player now
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Makes too much sense not too happen
If you take Smith then Slayton never develops further.
If you think Shep, Slayton and Ross will prevent them from drafting Smith if he’s there you’ve got a lot to learn about football my friend.
Albeit for me just another example of another underwhelming pick at 11. The 2 WR's and Slater “have more juice” imo. But Giants will look at these guys as too much risk –
IMO they look at some of the others as -- Slater is not a hog mollie and Smith is too slight and Waddle is small with injury concerns. I might even like Surtain over Paye but haven’t thought about that too much. And Parsons seems to have some bad behind the scenes inuendo. Giants don’t go for that.