Does WFT trading up for Lance make you nervous?

In comment 15226293 Jim in Tampa said:

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So tired of threads like this one. If (name of NFC East Rival) gets (Player X) does that make you nervous/upset/worried, etc? No it doesn't. I expect all our rivals will get a good pick in RD-1 and so will the Giants.

This.

It's a draft. Everybody gets to pick players. Even if you pick first overall, everybody else gets to pick guys, too.

The WFT might draft a promising QB prospect. So? Why be nervous? It's up to the Giants to draft well and put together a good team. The other teams will do what they do.

and someone else traded up to 4 ahead of them. Unlikely that they make the trade before 6 is on the clock but....

Actually, if you look at all 4 Superbowl titles the Giants won, the NFC East was strong in each of those years. In 1986, WTF was 0-3 against the Giants, but 14-2 vs everyone else, for example. The 1990 NFC East almost had 4 playoff teams.

So - WTF can do whatever they want in the draft and roll the dice on Lance. We need to get a player that helps the team win with our pick (preferably IMO an offensive lineman).

They need OL and other areas. I can see them making a play next offseason like the Rams did. Wilson, Rogers, Ryan etc.

The last thing Washington needs is a developmental QB.

as the average WFT fan is of DJ. So, nope!

I wouldn't be upset if the Giants drafted him.

Trading to 6 would cost a lot, but I've seen plenty of mocks where he makes it to the Pats at 15. So a trade up to 14 wouldn't keep them from building a team around him. Which sadly they already have a pretty good team.

In comment 15226293 Jim in Tampa said:

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So tired of threads like this one. If (name of NFC East Rival) gets (Player X) does that make you nervous/upset/worried, etc? No it doesn't. I expect all our rivals will get a good pick in RD-1 and so will the Giants.

Bad post? Why?

if they are looking to move down from 6 i think it means they think pitts and chase will both be gone and that they completely misevaluated the top of the draft

unless they are just working on that contingency just in case

Ok, so in huddle...."Mclaurin....I need you to do a stop and go. Down and out, Curtis....Gibson a curl....the rest of you block...on 4, break."

plus it pushes another top player down.. so better for the Giants

In comment 15226295 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Jim, in fairness to Sean, QB is the most important position in the NFL. This is kinda like asking a Titans fan, 'Does Jacksonville getting Lawrence make you nervous?'

Actually it's not. Lawrence won a NC as a true Frosh along w about a million more reps at a much higher level. Can Lance be a stud? Sure. But worry. Geez. Schedule heat QBs get drafted in are 1. Mahomes is literally the only one on the last 5 years who has he truly special. Not even Watson has shown to be a true top 5 guy.

Can't lose sleep over this one just yet

Unless Saleh or Shanahan let him drop.

The weak offensive line (made weaker by his acquisiton) will destroy the kid.
If i were a GM I would build my offensive line Before drafting my QB and for several reasons. I would want the QB to be effectively immediately while he's on a rookie contract; so he would have to be the final piece not the first. And two, I wouldn't want him to lose confidence and develop loose feet. Three ..injury.
We just saw what a crappy line did to a superbowl winning QB and how it compromised Jones's game.
Fitzpatrick scares me next year. He's been so many places that he should acclimate quickly and i think he's a decent QB. He doesn't occupy immense cap space. Give him help and with that front seven on D. they could be tough.
competition.

he will be in the NFL. I'm more concerned about the Giants pick.

1. No rookie QB ever worries me, until they actually pan out.

2. WFT has been the one team we have consistently owned no matter what they do. Until they start beating our lowly team regularly, I'm not worried. I don't buy into their hype.

And I love it

Philly might be there too, jury is still out on Jalen Hurts

is a good coach, so you've got to expect them to be improving. What's going on at Dallas and Philly is much less clear, but we really can't complain about having to take WFT seriously now.

Washington has a pretty decent starting decent roster and some guys that can move the chains on Offense and harass the passer on Defense. If they find a reliable QB that can stop the revolving-door they have had under center then easy to see how they can add a few wins to last years' total.

They will always find a way to mess a good thing up.

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Dan Snyder buys out minority owners, now owns 100% of WFT - ( New Window )

that Lance doesn't have when he came into the league. Getting drafted by a team at the top of the conference (34 wins in the previous three years). WFT is a team with a losing record, so Lance will have to be twice the quarterback Mahomes is in order to make an immediate impact. Also, he will have to overcome the Snyder factor.

of any of the potential 1st round QB's, with the possible exception of Mac Jones (I'm not convinced he has the arm strength). There are too many red flags in Lance's profile - just over one year as a starter, played at the Alabama of FCS, and has only been playing QB for a couple of years - to take a chance on him that high in the draft.

Let WFT go for it, if it works out, good for them.

In comment 15226510 cjac said:

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And I love it Philly might be there too, jury is still out on Jalen Hurts

And where are we?

With Prescott’s enormous contract on the books. Do you realize Prescott has a $47mm cap hit in 2024? You read that right.

In comment 15226585 Producer said:

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In comment 15226510 cjac said: Quote: And I love it Philly might be there too, jury is still out on Jalen Hurts And where are we?

The Giants are in QB Hope. It's somewhere between Heaven and Hell and the roads signs are somewhat confusing.

for basically an unknown. He's:
- played one season, and that was over a year ago
- he played 1 game I believe this season
- he played in 1-AA (now FCS)
- his team was dominant against extremely weak talent. Its like a big powerhouse High School program played a school half their size
- not one of his opponents will sniff the NFL
- the only FBS program to offer him was Rutgers (yes that Rutgers)

Who the hell knows if this guy will be good. Yes he has skills. Based on this I would not be using a 1st rd pick on the guy

Philly traded up for Wentz that year, which looked like a good move until it didn't. The Giants and Redskins drafted their next-gen franchise QBs in 2019. Haskins is gone, and Jones is a question mark. Remember when we worried that RGIII would be tormenting us into the 2020s, or that Vick and the Dream Team would be unstoppable?

Lance could be very good, or not. If Washington decides to pay up for that lottery ticket, so be it. The odds will be against him, just as they are against almost every rookie QB. It will be more fun to watch him than a retread like Ryan Fitzpatrick or Case Keenum or Alex Smith (amazing comeback aside).

wouldn’t make me nervous, it might be a nice long term move by WFT, I think Lance is going to need a lot of time. But his upside is through the roof.

It would actually be good as that would mean for the next year or two he might struggle while NYG are loading up for playoffs

Lance is comparable to Daniel Jones in size and skillset.

The difference is Lance's program was a big fish in a small pond and Jones' program was a small fish in a big pond.

The book is still out on Jones. I see Lance as having a similar start.

I'd imagine the cost to move up to 6 from 19 would be astronomical.

I'd be willing to see how that went.

a boatload of draft capital to go get Lance, while we did not for Jones.

... Jones is probably not a good comp for Trey Lance.

Jones came into the League with three solid seasons of experience. Lance played one year, back in 2019. Competition level aside (like struggling against Illinois State in his last game), the biggest question about Lance is his thin resume.

I realize Jones plays faster than his 4.8 from the combine, but he's not a 4.55 guy like Lance. And by most accounts, Lance has a stronger arm, even at this early stage. I doubt you will see many draftniks mentioning Jones as a comp for Lance.

They are both a good height at 6'4, 220'ish lbs, both throw a nice deep ball and can make plays with their legs.

From purely a "what do they show up with" standpoint, they seem to have a similar skillset to me.

faster than Lamar Jackson at top speed. So I do think he plays MUCH faster than his 4.8 at the combine.

is Snyder selling the team

In comment 15226674 bc4life said:

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is Snyder selling the team

End thread.

In comment 15226649 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... Jones is probably not a good comp for Trey Lance. Jones came into the League with three solid seasons of experience. Lance played one year, back in 2019. Competition level aside (like struggling against Illinois State in his last game), the biggest question about Lance is his thin resume. I realize Jones plays faster than his 4.8 from the combine, but he's not a 4.55 guy like Lance. And by most accounts, Lance has a stronger arm, even at this early stage. I doubt you will see many draftniks mentioning Jones as a comp for Lance.

But that thin resume is an awfully big question mark. Hasn't played the position for very long, has just over a year starting, hasn't played in over a year, and played for a dominant program at a lower level.

Yikes. I'd be fine taking a flyer on him in a later round, but the bust factor is really high. I guess the best comp might be Josh Allen, but at least he had 2 years starting, played QB in HS, and played for a FBS school (albeit a lower level one).

If he works out like Allen has, good on WFT, but I think the odds are long.

They aren't similar players. Jones is straight line fast, but he doesn't extend plays with his legs all that often. When he tries to it's usually a problem. Lance is more agile, a better athlete, and better at throwing on the move.

And yes Lance's thin college resume is a concern, but what about Jones's wholly unimpressive college resume? He's one of the worst college quarterbacks drafted in the first round in the last ten years.

In comment 15226220 bw in dc said:

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but he is an enormous talent. Considerably more talented than Haskins. And the old regime drafted Haskins. It's an entirely new regime at WFT right now.

Lawrence should be the best QB in the draft but Lance's ceiling is just as high.

In comment 15226815 Go Terps said:

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They aren't similar players. Jones is straight line fast, but he doesn't extend plays with his legs all that often. When he tries to it's usually a problem. Lance is more agile, a better athlete, and better at throwing on the move. And yes Lance's thin college resume is a concern, but what about Jones's wholly unimpressive college resume? He's one of the worst college quarterbacks drafted in the first round in the last ten years.

Agree, completely different players and as college prospect, I think Lance is much more worthy of top ten pick than Jones was. He creates off schedule plays that Jones does not. Jones is likely faster but Lance is more elusive with a better arm.

In comment 15226220 bw in dc said:

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but he is an enormous talent. Considerably more talented than Haskins. And the old regime drafted Haskins. It's an entirely new regime at WFT right now.

and an entirely new one will pick Lance's successor. A never ending virtuous cylce as long as lil Danny owns them. I hope Miami does it.

In comment 15226672 Britt in VA said:

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faster than Lamar Jackson at top speed. So I do think he plays MUCH faster than his 4.8 at the combine.

Jones is straight line fast and it takes a while for him to get to speed. That long, straight run, that he fell on his face against air, is why he measured so fast. He was untouched. Jackson is usually starting, stopping and cutting. Jones GPS is overblown. Jackson would blow his doors CLEAN off in the 40. If I was the same age as Jones and we played tag, Jones might be faster than me but in a million years he could not put a finger on me.

In comment 15226815 Go Terps said:

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They aren't similar players. Jones is straight line fast, but he doesn't extend plays with his legs all that often. When he tries to it's usually a problem. Lance is more agile, a better athlete, and better at throwing on the move. And yes Lance's thin college resume is a concern, but what about Jones's wholly unimpressive college resume? He's one of the worst college quarterbacks drafted in the first round in the last ten years.

Yes, Lance only played one year. But when you go 28/0 TDs/INTs, rush for 1K yards and another 14 TDs rushing you are pretty damn gifted...regardless of the competition.

Philly is there for just this year as they eat Wentz's dead money.

Giants and WTF aren't in QB hell. Neither have huge amounts of cap space tied up in mediocre QBs and can easily pivot to another signal caller if what they have doesn't work out.

In comment 15226926 FStubbs said:

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Philly is there for just this year as they eat Wentz's dead money. Giants and WTF aren't in QB hell. Neither have huge amounts of cap space tied up in mediocre QBs and can easily pivot to another signal caller if what they have doesn't work out.

So basically, QB hell means you're paying one of the better QBs a lot of money? So every team paying the QB is in stupid ass QB hell? Uhhhh no. Stop.

Can we put that stupid shit to rest?

and if we had PRescott last year we probably win 10 games. Not a knock on Jones, just facts. I like Jones, but stop with this nonsense.

Here's a little thing that is going to make some of nuts. The goal is to find that QB and pay him a lot of money. That's the goal.

In comment 15226934 djm said:

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and if we had PRescott last year we probably win 10 games. Not a knock on Jones, just facts. I like Jones, but stop with this nonsense. Here's a little thing that is going to make some of nuts. The goal is to find that QB and pay him a lot of money. That's the goal.

Only if Prescott was going to catch his own passes.

Spiders,snakes, and the IRS. They're in our league, it's competition. I look forward to that.

In comment 15227016 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 15226934 djm said: Quote: and if we had PRescott last year we probably win 10 games. Not a knock on Jones, just facts. I like Jones, but stop with this nonsense. Here's a little thing that is going to make some of nuts. The goal is to find that QB and pay him a lot of money. That's the goal. Only if Prescott was going to catch his own passes.

fair enough. but I wish dallas didn't have prescott. We'd beat them more often.