I was afraid of this, every year a speed guy goes higher than expected, that's not new. But Waddle's lateral agility combined with elite speed...
GPS confirmed that he was the fastest player in college football in terms of average speed and top speed and the second wasn't close
He beats double coverage, he uses rocker steps without losing speed (very Odell like), twitched up/type IIb, elite stop and start, drops defenders at the top of the route. Straight outran the speedster Tyson Campbell.
Best return man since Tyreek Hill. My pick for the Giants if at 11. What'd Mara say? Giants need more playmakers? IMO Waddle is the best in the class.
Every year there is Tyreek Hill comparison, as a freshman in the SEC championship, he outplayed both the previous 'Tyreek Hill' comparisons. Ruggs and Hardman. This is the guy my friends
the Giants will try to trade up with DET if their guy is available.
With limited resources(6 picks), they will try to trade up? They are building for the long haul. This year is a stepping stone. I cannot see anyone they want or need at 7. Who do you think they would trade up for?
We're building for the next two years that we have Jones on his rookie deal.
Big Dave is a heavy hitter that likes impact players, so it wouldn't surprise me if we traded up. Our CAP situation, on the other hand, makes me think that we don't move up.
the Giants will try to trade up with DET if their guy is available.
Out of the top 4 wrs I like Waddle least and if he is our pick at 11 then fine but no way do we trade up for him.
Who do you see as top 4 WR? And please don’t tell me you’re considering Pitts as a WR? I see it this way
Chase
Waddle
Smith
Waddle and Smith are interchangeable and hard to say there’s a wrong choice.
Tier 2...
I really feel storngly that the only way to ensure success for Daniel
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I was afraid of this, every year a speed guy goes higher than expected, that's not new. But Waddle's lateral agility combined with elite speed...
GPS confirmed that he was the fastest player in college football in terms of average speed and top speed and the second wasn't close
He beats double coverage, he uses rocker steps without losing speed (very Odell like), twitched up/type IIb, elite stop and start, drops defenders at the top of the route. Straight outran the speedster Tyson Campbell.
Best return man since Tyreek Hill. My pick for the Giants if at 11. What'd Mara say? Giants need more playmakers? IMO Waddle is the best in the class.
Every year there is Tyreek Hill comparison, as a freshman in the SEC championship, he outplayed both the previous 'Tyreek Hill' comparisons. Ruggs and Hardman. This is the guy my friends
Can you point me to any video - running, workouts, etc - of Waddle looking completely healthy since the high ankle sprain and fracture against Tennessee?
Can you point me to any video - running, workouts, etc - of Waddle looking completely healthy since the high ankle sprain and fracture against Tennessee?
Just because we don’t have access to Waddle’s medicals doesn’t mean those who need to know don’t.
and I'm not totally convinced that working on the OL isn't more important than upgrading WR further.
I feel like the depth and range of talent at WR > than what the Giants have at OL.
In the draft or on the team? Because our current WR core, with the single exception of Golladay (hurt a fair amount) is the worst in the league. At least our OL is improving. For me, Waddle/Smith are a leap in talent and because the margin of difference between them and the next level WR is large then the gain on offense is greater than the incremental improvement by adding on OL in the draft. Not to mention that there will be inevitable rookie issues with the any OL we add which will not really happen at the top WR spots. Thus, to me, the WR helps JOnes the most.
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
RE: I Can Already See How This is Going to Play Out
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Gettleman has reached before so reaching for EDGE at 11 would not be surprising.
RE: RE: I Can Already See How This is Going to Play Out
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Gettleman has reached before so reaching for EDGE at 11 would not be surprising.
And, it's compounded by us not having a 5th or 7th. I'd rather be short picks and take the difference-making WR, but if he's wed to an edge, it's the best year ever to trade down, accumulate picks, and still pick up the same edge (regardless of which edge he actually picks).
RE: I Can Already See How This is Going to Play Out
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Forgot to say... they weren't "reaches' in Gettleman's mind. Oh, no. He never reaches. That is, until after the fact when we find out that his pick WAS a reach.
Good. Waddle is a guy I don’t want any part of at 11.
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
It is time for Daniel Jones to help Daniel Jones. He has enough around him to do it.
could easily become the more impactful WR versus Smith at the next level.
Prefer Smith myself but would not be disappointed if the NYG grab Waddle either.
Waddle was a better receiver at Alabama than Smith. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's ultimately more productive in the NFL. But even if a doctor says Waddle is 100% healthy based on a physical in an exam room, I would still want to see Waddle on the field running and doing drills before I would make that bet.
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
It is time for Daniel Jones to help Daniel Jones. He has enough around him to do it.
I agree 100% with this.
I don't want to hear that the Giants have the worst WR corps in the league anymore.
After FA - that's a straight up myth.
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
No guarantee that Slater will be out Lemiuex/Hernandez this year, given the one year experience. And, even so, we saw what happened with Thomas last year (picked higher). No reason to think that Slater won't also need a half a season to a season to overcome growing pains.
RE: RE: RE: I really feel storngly that the only way to ensure success for Daniel
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
It is time for Daniel Jones to help Daniel Jones. He has enough around him to do it.
I agree 100% with this.
I don't want to hear that the Giants have the worst WR corps in the league anymore.
After FA - that's a straight up myth.
It's no myth. They added one quality guy who has an injury history and can also be doubled, leaving them with...the worst WR corps in the league.
Jones absolutely needs to step up but why wouldn't we want to help him or anyone else at QB as much as possible?
OL and WR upgrades (or Pitts) are good for the TEAM, not just Jones.
+1. We need to keep in mind Shepard and Slayton have two years left on their deals. If Shepard misses 4+ games again this year he will likely be cut prior to next season. We need one more legit WR.
sure its possible there are growing pains but there weren't for Martin, Nelson, etc. If we take a Guard at 11 the assumption is that they will be starting week 1 with an immediate impact.
the Giants will try to trade up with DET if their guy is available.
If their guy is Waddle then trading up for him would be as stupid as Buffalo trading up in 2014 to pick Sammmy Watkins in one of the deepest WR drafts ever up to that point.
sure its possible there are growing pains but there weren't for Martin, Nelson, etc. If we take a Guard at 11 the assumption is that they will be starting week 1 with an immediate impact.
Plug and play based on his experience at guard? Why is he any more plug and play than Thomas? And we saw what happened with Thomas.
week 1 of 2021. I bring this up on every thread but Shepard being cut next year opens up a good amount of cap savings and we need his position backfilled. We can do that 2 ways - have a great #2 alongside Golladay allowing us to cheaply add a FA slot WR/hope a mid round pick this year can do that job or cut him next year and spend again at WR to fill the critical role + the #2 WR position. Slayton factors into this, not sure how at the moment.
WR is a need.
RE: RE: Slater is a plug and play upgrade at Guard
sure its possible there are growing pains but there weren't for Martin, Nelson, etc. If we take a Guard at 11 the assumption is that they will be starting week 1 with an immediate impact.
Plug and play based on his experience at guard? Why is he any more plug and play than Thomas? And we saw what happened with Thomas.
Because one plays LT (top 3 hardest positions to play in the NFL) and the other doesn't.
is going in the top 8. Unless he goes to Cincy or Miami, I don’t think Detroit is taking him as their first pick of the new regime with the injury and them pretty much bottoming out and rebuilding, and then you have Carolina at 8 who has Moore and Anderson, and just let Samuel go who is a lesser version of Waddle...
after all the talk about getting the trenches fixed and being a smash mouth team, it would be really weird for them to take Waddle (or Smith) at 7. They have that inside out mentality and this is their very first pick
have just as bad if not worse group of pass catchers post FA than the Giants:
1.) Colts
2.) Ravens
3.) Patriots
4.) Eagles
5.) Bengals
6.) Jags
7.) Dolphins
8.) Lions
9.) Jets
The Giants do not have the worst set of WR in the league. I can see an argument - maybe...
But it's certainly no fact.
receivers make the Giants receivers look like the best in the league. I watched a few Pats games, they don’t have a single guy who you can call a decent NFL player at receiver
and even if you plug him and play him, I think it's only an incremental improvement and I want more form that spot.
You aren't wrong, but you can also apply that to WR, no?
We have to stop thinking that the blunders of yesterday will continue. Teams all around the league are getting immediate starters and all pros with their high picks, its up to the Giants FO and coaching staff to do the same.
I was afraid of this, every year a speed guy goes higher than expected, that's not new. But Waddle's lateral agility combined with elite speed...
GPS confirmed that he was the fastest player in college football in terms of average speed and top speed and the second wasn't close
He beats double coverage, he uses rocker steps without losing speed (very Odell like), twitched up/type IIb, elite stop and start, drops defenders at the top of the route. Straight outran the speedster Tyson Campbell.
Best return man since Tyreek Hill. My pick for the Giants if at 11. What'd Mara say? Giants need more playmakers? IMO Waddle is the best in the class.
Every year there is Tyreek Hill comparison, as a freshman in the SEC championship, he outplayed both the previous 'Tyreek Hill' comparisons. Ruggs and Hardman. This is the guy my friends
Can you point me to any video - running, workouts, etc - of Waddle looking completely healthy since the high ankle sprain and fracture against Tennessee?
Rhetorical questions are fun, I’ll answer it anyways. No.
Here’s my rhetorical for you. Can you tell me why Ramczyk was taken at 32 overall despite being the top graded tackle, confirmed publicly by at least 3 teams, at a premium position, from a school with a great OL history?
I’ll give you a hint, it had nothing to do with his arm length.
giving more somewhat consideration than a Guard and/or Edge. Slater looks to have plenty of skills but a little on light side and the year off adds to hesitancy to grab that position so early. The Edge guys work in back half of Round One but not at #11.
Point made above that Shepard is a roster casualty after this year and who knows which way Slayton goes with his development. And Golladay has an uphill battle to earn his contract.
Giants grabbing an impactful WR at #11 that can be a stable (cheaper) force in that unit for years makes a lot of sense.
RE: RE: RE: I really feel storngly that the only way to ensure success for Daniel
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
No guarantee that Slater will be out Lemiuex/Hernandez this year, given the one year experience. And, even so, we saw what happened with Thomas last year (picked higher). No reason to think that Slater won't also need a half a season to a season to overcome growing pains.
I'm a huge Waddle guy and I hope the Giants nab him. I'm also high on SLayton too though and think a trio of KG, Waddle and Slayton with Barkley is formidable.
But I still think you have to consider Slater. I think the difference in thinking is the incremental improvement from status quo to Slater. What I don't know is how the Giants feel about Hernandez/Lemiuex/Fulton/Peart. If they think drafting Slater is a huge upgrade to Hernandez and also provides a valuable hedge to Peart regressing, I'd be in favor of the move.
that people have in Peart being able to make that jump to slam dunk starting RT in the NFL.
It's not like the Giants have a great track record for developing young OL talent. Especially at the OT position.
Peart is definitely not a slam dunk, he's a question mark. But he's a third round pick who showed some promise last year, you don't *have* to let him play there and see if he can sure up that spot, but considering the investments made at OT, it seems like they will go that way
RE: Good. Waddle is a guy I don’t want any part of at 11.
sure its possible there are growing pains but there weren't for Martin, Nelson, etc. If we take a Guard at 11 the assumption is that they will be starting week 1 with an immediate impact.
Let's face it - getting competent, quality OLs are almost as critical as finding skill players. I'm at the point where I consider EVERY OL position a skill position and if you can grab a good one early do it.
And it's a smart bet because the hit rate for OLs in RD1 is very high - 60%.
RE: I Can Already See How This is Going to Play Out
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
right doesn't mean we need to take one at 11. Take the best player. If Giants think Waddle and Smith are pro bowl receivers but Slater and VT are good guards, you take the pro bowler.
If they think Paye is an elite run defender and can put him all over the line and has really good pass rush upside, especially from the interior at first, then you take Paye over the guard.
people are scared of him because of ruggs but ruggs isn't half the player waddle is
Agreed. And the jury is still out on Ruggs. He was nicked up his entire rookie season but flashed big play ability on multiple occasions.
Regardless, Waddle is a more complete player that is an excellent route runner and makes contested catches. Ruggs is more of a speedster than a complete receiver.
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Once is a typo, twice is you don't know his name.
It's Paye.
Thanks for your incredible contribution to this thread.
Listen, the Giants have their version of Waddle in Ross
GPS confirmed that he was the fastest player in college football in terms of average speed and top speed and the second wasn't close
He beats double coverage, he uses rocker steps without losing speed (very Odell like), twitched up/type IIb, elite stop and start, drops defenders at the top of the route. Straight outran the speedster Tyson Campbell.
Best return man since Tyreek Hill. My pick for the Giants if at 11. What'd Mara say? Giants need more playmakers? IMO Waddle is the best in the class.
Every year there is Tyreek Hill comparison, as a freshman in the SEC championship, he outplayed both the previous 'Tyreek Hill' comparisons. Ruggs and Hardman. This is the guy my friends
I don’t believe the Giants would ever do that. No way, imv
With limited resources(6 picks), they will try to trade up? They are building for the long haul. This year is a stepping stone. I cannot see anyone they want or need at 7. Who do you think they would trade up for?
Big Dave is a heavy hitter that likes impact players, so it wouldn't surprise me if we traded up. Our CAP situation, on the other hand, makes me think that we don't move up.
Out of the top 4 wrs I like Waddle least and if he is our pick at 11 then fine but no way do we trade up for him.
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the Giants will try to trade up with DET if their guy is available.
Out of the top 4 wrs I like Waddle least and if he is our pick at 11 then fine but no way do we trade up for him.
Who do you see as top 4 WR? And please don’t tell me you’re considering Pitts as a WR? I see it this way
Chase
Waddle
Smith
Waddle and Smith are interchangeable and hard to say there’s a wrong choice.
Tier 2...
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
GPS confirmed that he was the fastest player in college football in terms of average speed and top speed and the second wasn't close
He beats double coverage, he uses rocker steps without losing speed (very Odell like), twitched up/type IIb, elite stop and start, drops defenders at the top of the route. Straight outran the speedster Tyson Campbell.
Best return man since Tyreek Hill. My pick for the Giants if at 11. What'd Mara say? Giants need more playmakers? IMO Waddle is the best in the class.
Every year there is Tyreek Hill comparison, as a freshman in the SEC championship, he outplayed both the previous 'Tyreek Hill' comparisons. Ruggs and Hardman. This is the guy my friends
Can you point me to any video - running, workouts, etc - of Waddle looking completely healthy since the high ankle sprain and fracture against Tennessee?
Can you point me to any video - running, workouts, etc - of Waddle looking completely healthy since the high ankle sprain and fracture against Tennessee?
Just because we don’t have access to Waddle’s medicals doesn’t mean those who need to know don’t.
I feel like the depth and range of talent at WR > than what the Giants have at OL.
I feel like the depth and range of talent at WR > than what the Giants have at OL.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Gettleman has reached before so reaching for EDGE at 11 would not be surprising.
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4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Gettleman has reached before so reaching for EDGE at 11 would not be surprising.
And, it's compounded by us not having a 5th or 7th. I'd rather be short picks and take the difference-making WR, but if he's wed to an edge, it's the best year ever to trade down, accumulate picks, and still pick up the same edge (regardless of which edge he actually picks).
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Forgot to say... they weren't "reaches' in Gettleman's mind. Oh, no. He never reaches. That is, until after the fact when we find out that his pick WAS a reach.
Prefer Smith myself but would not be disappointed if the NYG grab Waddle either.
health / injury, and has he run for any teams, or plan to run?
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
It is time for Daniel Jones to help Daniel Jones. He has enough around him to do it.
Waddle going in the top 10 would be really good for the Giants.
Very doubtful. Giants don't have enough picks.
Me too, they are trading up for Smith or Waddle. Just have a feeling about it.
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the Giants will try to trade up with DET if their guy is available.
Very doubtful. Giants don't have enough picks.
They have 6 picks this year. Preferably they would trade one of next years picks and a mid to late rounder this year to make it happen.
Prefer Smith myself but would not be disappointed if the NYG grab Waddle either.
Waddle was a better receiver at Alabama than Smith. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's ultimately more productive in the NFL. But even if a doctor says Waddle is 100% healthy based on a physical in an exam room, I would still want to see Waddle on the field running and doing drills before I would make that bet.
Leg injuries with receivers are very tricky.
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the Giants will try to trade up with DET if their guy is available.
Very doubtful. Giants don't have enough picks.
They have 6 picks this year. Preferably they would trade one of next years picks and a mid to late rounder this year to make it happen.
I don’t see that happening. If Waddle goes in the top 8, the Giants will still get a good player staying at 11.
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is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
It is time for Daniel Jones to help Daniel Jones. He has enough around him to do it.
I agree 100% with this.
I don't want to hear that the Giants have the worst WR corps in the league anymore.
After FA - that's a straight up myth.
OL and WR upgrades (or Pitts) are good for the TEAM, not just Jones.
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is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
No guarantee that Slater will be out Lemiuex/Hernandez this year, given the one year experience. And, even so, we saw what happened with Thomas last year (picked higher). No reason to think that Slater won't also need a half a season to a season to overcome growing pains.
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is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
It is time for Daniel Jones to help Daniel Jones. He has enough around him to do it.
I agree 100% with this.
I don't want to hear that the Giants have the worst WR corps in the league anymore.
After FA - that's a straight up myth.
It's no myth. They added one quality guy who has an injury history and can also be doubled, leaving them with...the worst WR corps in the league.
OL and WR upgrades (or Pitts) are good for the TEAM, not just Jones.
+1. We need to keep in mind Shepard and Slayton have two years left on their deals. If Shepard misses 4+ games again this year he will likely be cut prior to next season. We need one more legit WR.
One ankle reconstruction you can rehab from, but how many have come back from the same ankle being reconstructed twice?
If their guy is Waddle then trading up for him would be as stupid as Buffalo trading up in 2014 to pick Sammmy Watkins in one of the deepest WR drafts ever up to that point.
Plug and play based on his experience at guard? Why is he any more plug and play than Thomas? And we saw what happened with Thomas.
WR is a need.
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sure its possible there are growing pains but there weren't for Martin, Nelson, etc. If we take a Guard at 11 the assumption is that they will be starting week 1 with an immediate impact.
Plug and play based on his experience at guard? Why is he any more plug and play than Thomas? And we saw what happened with Thomas.
Because one plays LT (top 3 hardest positions to play in the NFL) and the other doesn't.
I don’t see it
1.) Colts
2.) Ravens
3.) Patriots
4.) Eagles
5.) Bengals
6.) Jags
7.) Dolphins
8.) Lions
9.) Jets
The Giants do not have the worst set of WR in the league. I can see an argument - maybe...
But it's certainly no fact.
You aren't wrong, but you can also apply that to WR, no?
We have to stop thinking that the blunders of yesterday will continue. Teams all around the league are getting immediate starters and all pros with their high picks, its up to the Giants FO and coaching staff to do the same.
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I was afraid of this, every year a speed guy goes higher than expected, that's not new. But Waddle's lateral agility combined with elite speed...
GPS confirmed that he was the fastest player in college football in terms of average speed and top speed and the second wasn't close
He beats double coverage, he uses rocker steps without losing speed (very Odell like), twitched up/type IIb, elite stop and start, drops defenders at the top of the route. Straight outran the speedster Tyson Campbell.
Best return man since Tyreek Hill. My pick for the Giants if at 11. What'd Mara say? Giants need more playmakers? IMO Waddle is the best in the class.
Every year there is Tyreek Hill comparison, as a freshman in the SEC championship, he outplayed both the previous 'Tyreek Hill' comparisons. Ruggs and Hardman. This is the guy my friends
Can you point me to any video - running, workouts, etc - of Waddle looking completely healthy since the high ankle sprain and fracture against Tennessee?
Rhetorical questions are fun, I’ll answer it anyways. No.
Here’s my rhetorical for you. Can you tell me why Ramczyk was taken at 32 overall despite being the top graded tackle, confirmed publicly by at least 3 teams, at a premium position, from a school with a great OL history?
I’ll give you a hint, it had nothing to do with his arm length.
Point made above that Shepard is a roster casualty after this year and who knows which way Slayton goes with his development. And Golladay has an uphill battle to earn his contract.
Giants grabbing an impactful WR at #11 that can be a stable (cheaper) force in that unit for years makes a lot of sense.
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is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
No guarantee that Slater will be out Lemiuex/Hernandez this year, given the one year experience. And, even so, we saw what happened with Thomas last year (picked higher). No reason to think that Slater won't also need a half a season to a season to overcome growing pains.
I'm a huge Waddle guy and I hope the Giants nab him. I'm also high on SLayton too though and think a trio of KG, Waddle and Slayton with Barkley is formidable.
But I still think you have to consider Slater. I think the difference in thinking is the incremental improvement from status quo to Slater. What I don't know is how the Giants feel about Hernandez/Lemiuex/Fulton/Peart. If they think drafting Slater is a huge upgrade to Hernandez and also provides a valuable hedge to Peart regressing, I'd be in favor of the move.
It's not like the Giants have a great track record for developing young OL talent. Especially at the OT position.
It's not like the Giants have a great track record for developing young OL talent. Especially at the OT position.
Peart is definitely not a slam dunk, he's a question mark. But he's a third round pick who showed some promise last year, you don't *have* to let him play there and see if he can sure up that spot, but considering the investments made at OT, it seems like they will go that way
Glad you're not GM of Ginats. "I want no part of a superstar."
Hope he becomes a better than average RT but 2021 is probably going to have plenty of bumps in that road.
Let's face it - getting competent, quality OLs are almost as critical as finding skill players. I'm at the point where I consider EVERY OL position a skill position and if you can grab a good one early do it.
And it's a smart bet because the hit rate for OLs in RD1 is very high - 60%.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Once is a typo, twice is you don't know his name.
It's Paye.
If they think Paye is an elite run defender and can put him all over the line and has really good pass rush upside, especially from the interior at first, then you take Paye over the guard.
Agreed. And the jury is still out on Ruggs. He was nicked up his entire rookie season but flashed big play ability on multiple occasions.
Regardless, Waddle is a more complete player that is an excellent route runner and makes contested catches. Ruggs is more of a speedster than a complete receiver.
Exactly. Most observers say he is Tyreek Hill. Waddle is graded by most ahead os Smith.
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4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Once is a typo, twice is you don't know his name.
It's Paye.
Thanks for your incredible contribution to this thread.
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people are scared of him because of ruggs but ruggs isn't half the player waddle is
Exactly. Most observers say he is Tyreek Hill. Waddle is graded by most ahead os Smith.
No he isn’t. They are almost evenly split although I have seen more people have Smith higher than Waddle.