giving more somewhat consideration than a Guard and/or Edge. Slater looks to have plenty of skills but a little on light side and the year off adds to hesitancy to grab that position so early. The Edge guys work in back half of Round One but not at #11.
Point made above that Shepard is a roster casualty after this year and who knows which way Slayton goes with his development. And Golladay has an uphill battle to earn his contract.
Giants grabbing an impactful WR at #11 that can be a stable (cheaper) force in that unit for years makes a lot of sense.
RE: RE: RE: I really feel storngly that the only way to ensure success for Daniel
is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
No guarantee that Slater will be out Lemiuex/Hernandez this year, given the one year experience. And, even so, we saw what happened with Thomas last year (picked higher). No reason to think that Slater won't also need a half a season to a season to overcome growing pains.
I'm a huge Waddle guy and I hope the Giants nab him. I'm also high on SLayton too though and think a trio of KG, Waddle and Slayton with Barkley is formidable.
But I still think you have to consider Slater. I think the difference in thinking is the incremental improvement from status quo to Slater. What I don't know is how the Giants feel about Hernandez/Lemiuex/Fulton/Peart. If they think drafting Slater is a huge upgrade to Hernandez and also provides a valuable hedge to Peart regressing, I'd be in favor of the move.
that people have in Peart being able to make that jump to slam dunk starting RT in the NFL.
It's not like the Giants have a great track record for developing young OL talent. Especially at the OT position.
Peart is definitely not a slam dunk, he's a question mark. But he's a third round pick who showed some promise last year, you don't *have* to let him play there and see if he can sure up that spot, but considering the investments made at OT, it seems like they will go that way
RE: Good. Waddle is a guy I don’t want any part of at 11.
sure its possible there are growing pains but there weren't for Martin, Nelson, etc. If we take a Guard at 11 the assumption is that they will be starting week 1 with an immediate impact.
Let's face it - getting competent, quality OLs are almost as critical as finding skill players. I'm at the point where I consider EVERY OL position a skill position and if you can grab a good one early do it.
And it's a smart bet because the hit rate for OLs in RD1 is very high - 60%.
RE: I Can Already See How This is Going to Play Out
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
right doesn't mean we need to take one at 11. Take the best player. If Giants think Waddle and Smith are pro bowl receivers but Slater and VT are good guards, you take the pro bowler.
If they think Paye is an elite run defender and can put him all over the line and has really good pass rush upside, especially from the interior at first, then you take Paye over the guard.
people are scared of him because of ruggs but ruggs isn't half the player waddle is
Agreed. And the jury is still out on Ruggs. He was nicked up his entire rookie season but flashed big play ability on multiple occasions.
Regardless, Waddle is a more complete player that is an excellent route runner and makes contested catches. Ruggs is more of a speedster than a complete receiver.
4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Once is a typo, twice is you don't know his name.
It's Paye.
Thanks for your incredible contribution to this thread.
Listen, the Giants have their version of Waddle in Ross
Point made above that Shepard is a roster casualty after this year and who knows which way Slayton goes with his development. And Golladay has an uphill battle to earn his contract.
Giants grabbing an impactful WR at #11 that can be a stable (cheaper) force in that unit for years makes a lot of sense.
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is to get at least one of the Alabama receivers (unless, by some miracle Chase/Pitts drops).
I just don't think people wanting Slater are correct. Maybe for a long-term bolstering of the line, but it will do very little to help Jones *this* year. And if you can't help Jones this year, then I am afraid that it will be too late for him.
I agree on WR over Slater but Slater absolutely helps Jones this year. Barkley running like a mad man helps Jones immensely (we saw what a gimpy Barkley behind a bad OLine did for Jones in 2019).
No guarantee that Slater will be out Lemiuex/Hernandez this year, given the one year experience. And, even so, we saw what happened with Thomas last year (picked higher). No reason to think that Slater won't also need a half a season to a season to overcome growing pains.
I'm a huge Waddle guy and I hope the Giants nab him. I'm also high on SLayton too though and think a trio of KG, Waddle and Slayton with Barkley is formidable.
But I still think you have to consider Slater. I think the difference in thinking is the incremental improvement from status quo to Slater. What I don't know is how the Giants feel about Hernandez/Lemiuex/Fulton/Peart. If they think drafting Slater is a huge upgrade to Hernandez and also provides a valuable hedge to Peart regressing, I'd be in favor of the move.
It's not like the Giants have a great track record for developing young OL talent. Especially at the OT position.
It's not like the Giants have a great track record for developing young OL talent. Especially at the OT position.
Peart is definitely not a slam dunk, he's a question mark. But he's a third round pick who showed some promise last year, you don't *have* to let him play there and see if he can sure up that spot, but considering the investments made at OT, it seems like they will go that way
Glad you're not GM of Ginats. "I want no part of a superstar."
Hope he becomes a better than average RT but 2021 is probably going to have plenty of bumps in that road.
Let's face it - getting competent, quality OLs are almost as critical as finding skill players. I'm at the point where I consider EVERY OL position a skill position and if you can grab a good one early do it.
And it's a smart bet because the hit rate for OLs in RD1 is very high - 60%.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Once is a typo, twice is you don't know his name.
It's Paye.
If they think Paye is an elite run defender and can put him all over the line and has really good pass rush upside, especially from the interior at first, then you take Paye over the guard.
Agreed. And the jury is still out on Ruggs. He was nicked up his entire rookie season but flashed big play ability on multiple occasions.
Regardless, Waddle is a more complete player that is an excellent route runner and makes contested catches. Ruggs is more of a speedster than a complete receiver.
Exactly. Most observers say he is Tyreek Hill. Waddle is graded by most ahead os Smith.
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4 QB, 1 OT, 1 TE, 1 CB and all 3 WRs (including Smith and Waddle) will be off the board in the first 10 picks.
Although I really wanted Smith or Waddle, I would have settled for Parsons. But I think that even if both Waddle and Parsons are available the Giants will stay put and reach for ER... probably Payne.
The only scenario I see for the Giants taking an Alabama WR is if Parsons or the 5th QB sneaks into the top 10 and two of the three teams that could choose a WR (Miami, Cincy and Det.) choose Chase, Waddle and Sewell...it could mean that Smith drops to 11.
And if that happens, while I'm doing my "We got Smith" victory dance right after pick 10, a Giants rep will run the card up to the comish, so that he can announce that the Giants have selected Payne :(
Once is a typo, twice is you don't know his name.
It's Paye.
Thanks for your incredible contribution to this thread.
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people are scared of him because of ruggs but ruggs isn't half the player waddle is
Exactly. Most observers say he is Tyreek Hill. Waddle is graded by most ahead os Smith.
No he isn’t. They are almost evenly split although I have seen more people have Smith higher than Waddle.