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What 1st round pick would make the biggest immediate impact

DlineDominance : 4/20/2021 8:36 am
Just like most of us I've been reading, watching and listening to draft talk for months. I've heard so many different takes on the Giants pick at 11. I've fell in love with players watching highlights and imagining them in Blue like I do every year. But since ownership and us fans are all so sick of losing the biggest question is who would make the greatest immediate impact? I would have to think it would be a plug and play lineman. Slater or AVT would significantly upgrade our line and impact every offensive play. A case can be made for a blue chip WR that can impact the offense like OBJ or Micah Parsons who could give us a sideline to sideline playmaker but I'm so sick of watching our QB under pressure and Saquon running for his life as soon as he touches the ball. Let's take this line from improving to top 5-10 and watch this offense finally turn things around!
If  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2021 8:55 am : link
you are talking almost guaranteed immediate impact, Waddle simply because his value as a returner.
Waddle  
M.S. : 4/20/2021 8:56 am : link

Assuming he's good to go.
I suspect any 1st RD pick should make an immediate impact  
George from PA : 4/20/2021 8:58 am : link
It's the 2nd RD that has me excited....a ton of quality in the 2nd Rd
Vera Tucker  
TommyWiseau : 4/20/2021 9:02 am : link
I think he will make an impact right away at guard. In a small trade doen scenerio, he's my guy
Instant impact guys  
ryanmkeane : 4/20/2021 9:04 am : link
Waddle, Smith, VT, Paye because of his run defense
No one has the least idea  
cosmicj : 4/20/2021 9:05 am : link
Every year I read predictions about who will have the biggest first year impact and every year there are a bunch of surprises.

(For the sake of board peacefulness, I’ll omit discussion of Jones.)
Normally I would say  
ryanmkeane : 4/20/2021 9:05 am : link
Parsons, but he hasn’t played football since 2019. He could have the greatest long term impact but it might take him up to a full season to get his sea legs back
Waddle  
AcesUp : 4/20/2021 9:10 am : link
Return ability + designed gadgets + just being on the field changes the way defenses have to play us.
Two categories  
Giantimistic : 4/20/2021 9:11 am : link
I think of it in two categories. A playmaker or someone who gives your playmakers time.

A playmaker is someone who can make a game changing play on defense (sack, fumble, int) on a consistent basis or someone who can score from anywhere on the field (special teams, short pass to the house, long pass, turn a none play into a big play).

Someone who gives your playmaker time. That would be mostly on offense be an oline. On defense it could be a strong dline that gives others the chance to make a play.

From what I have read, as a rookie, that is Waddle, Parsons, or one of the oline.
RE: Normally I would say  
giants#1 : 4/20/2021 9:14 am : link
In comment 15226573 ryanmkeane said:
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Parsons, but he hasn’t played football since 2019. He could have the greatest long term impact but it might take him up to a full season to get his sea legs back


You can say the same about Slater. Normally, I'd say an interior OL (especially OG) has one of the smallest learning curves, but after a year off and minimal camp/preseason time, it's likely going to take a few games (at least) for him to get up to game speed.
It is a great question  
Rjanyg : 4/20/2021 9:19 am : link
Looking at the roster construction today an argument could be made that we have enough to field our full offense and defense. The draft isn't just about this year but the years to come so it is a double edged sword. If you reach for need you could fail on the pick, if you draft on athletic ability you could fail.

I try to keep in mind that DG said he is not afraid to draft over another player meaning he would pick a great player even if he had a great player at the same position on his team. Do I think that any position is up for grabs to be honest. Dg also said you need to have depth and can't have to many great players at any position.

I think we need play makers period. OL is always a spot I would continue to add talent every draft. But we need a front 7 defender and or a speed big play WR.

Those 2 positions are where its at IMO. Smith, Waddle or Parsons is who I see as making the biggest impact.
I dream of what Waddle or Smith can add to our offense at WR  
GiantBlue : 4/20/2021 9:19 am : link
but I immediately worry that if we draft a speed guy in the first, he will have hamstring issues during the summer and we will hear after year one that he was limited all year by the injury.

This leans me toward a more impactful big guy....lineman, edge or linebacker.

I guess the same can happen to any draft pick.

My impact player would be Parsons. He is the big meanie we haven't had at LB since LT. He could be a game wrecker and that is what we need. Someone on D that wrecks games.

So I would be thrilled if Parsons was the pick.
also have to consider the current depth chart  
giants#1 : 4/20/2021 9:20 am : link
WR - special teams contributions aside, any WR is going to have to pass Shepard and/or Slayton on the depth chart before seeing significant snaps. And even then will only be the 3rd option (at best) after Golladay/Barkley.

CB - you can never have enough good CBs, but Bradberry and Jackson are the starters and Holmes was promising at slot.

OG - clearly a massive hole here that a 1st round pick could easily step into (and improve significantly)

LB/ER - grouping together since I can see Parsons filling the BUCK role or one of the other EDGE guys coming in and having an immediate impact, even if it's largely as a situational pass rusher. I do worry about Parsons' instincts and play speed after a year off (and not a long history at LB to start with).
I’m re-reading Sy’s  
ryanmkeane : 4/20/2021 9:29 am : link
write up on Paye, he seems tailor made for Graham’s defense
Sewell  
bc4life : 4/20/2021 9:32 am : link
Shores up OLine and increases likelihood of dominant running game.
Smith is a legitimate  
ryanmkeane : 4/20/2021 9:36 am : link
#1 NFL receiver. Putting him with Golladay (who in all reality is more like a 1B), Shepard, Slayton, and Rudolph/Engram is almost the perfect compliment to the offense now.

We will have some really nice options at 11. Gotta get this damn pick right.
Waddle or Smith (Pitts/Chase)  
Bill L : 4/20/2021 9:36 am : link
Of all the potential top 11's these are the only guys, with the possible exception of Parsons, who separate themselves from the next best at their positions.

These (and Parsons and Sewell) are the only guys who are actually impactful.

The defense might not be what you want it to be, but it is miles and miles ahead of the offense, so any positive addition means a greater step up for the offense, simply because they have more room to improve.
Sewell  
Essex : 4/20/2021 9:41 am : link
but he won't be around at 11 right?
RE: If  
jvm52106 : 4/20/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15226558 Eric from BBI said:
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you are talking almost guaranteed immediate impact, Waddle simply because his value as a returner.


Totally agree. His speed and ability to play the return game and a guy who could take pitches in the backfield or end arounds, slot or outside- just makes too much sense for what Judge wants from his players.
RE: Sewell  
Old Blue : 4/20/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15226623 Essex said:
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but he won't be around at 11 right?


Like I’ve said before if the Giants had the #1 pick in the draft I would take Sewell, and not even think twice about it.
RE: Sewell  
Giantsfan79 : 4/20/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15226623 Essex said:
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but he won't be around at 11 right?


If GMs' in the Top 10 get Jerry Reese fever and get caught up with skill position players as more sexy than an o-lineman then yeah there is a chance Sewell drops.
Kwity Paye  
Hawkman : 4/20/2021 10:53 am : link
Kwity as well as several others would make an immediate impact.Some on O and some on D and some on specials as returners. As some of you know, Kwity played for Bishop Hendricken High School in RI where my son is head coach.Kwity is very versatile, he can help off edge or inside with his hand in dirt and can play multiple positions at weak or strong side....I can say without reservation the Giants love Kwity’s versatility, his skill set, and his character. I obviously don’t know who is number one on our board but we could do a lot worse than Kwity.
I’m going to give DeVonta Smith a slight edge  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2021 10:57 am : link
Over Waddle. I think Smith is more NFL ready but not by much. Both will make an immediate impact IMO and will start week one if they are selected by the Giants.

I know the Giants have bigger needs but it’s exciting to envision a WR depth chart of Golladay, Smith, Slayton, Shepard, Ross, and Pettis.
Waddle  
Thegratefulhead : 4/20/2021 11:13 am : link
For the reasons already stated. Pitts and Smith next followed closely by Parsons. I think it is possible Parsons is the best player in the draft.
RE: RE: Sewell  
Essex : 4/20/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15226700 Giantsfan79 said:
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In comment 15226623 Essex said:


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but he won't be around at 11 right?



If GMs' in the Top 10 get Jerry Reese fever and get caught up with skill position players as more sexy than an o-lineman then yeah there is a chance Sewell drops.


I do not think there is a player I wanted more than Sewell in a long, long time.
Paye  
WillVAB : 4/20/2021 11:35 am : link
They’d use him all over the front if he’s the pick.
Defensive Players off board  
Hawkman : 4/20/2021 11:48 am : link
Several defensive players being mentioned as possible first round choices might not be on Giants board due to character issues and off field things in their past
RE: Kwity Paye  
Rjanyg : 4/20/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15226739 Hawkman said:
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Kwity as well as several others would make an immediate impact.Some on O and some on D and some on specials as returners. As some of you know, Kwity played for Bishop Hendricken High School in RI where my son is head coach.Kwity is very versatile, he can help off edge or inside with his hand in dirt and can play multiple positions at weak or strong side....I can say without reservation the Giants love Kwity’s versatility, his skill set, and his character. I obviously don’t know who is number one on our board but we could do a lot worse than Kwity.


Thanks for the info Hawkman.

Has Kwitty ever played OLB in high school or was he a more traditional 4-3 DE?
It might be easier to answer the opposite way  
DavidinBMNY : 4/20/2021 12:04 pm : link
In Order:

Safety, CB, DL, C, QB, WR#1, WR#2, RB, TE - All have clear starters. We might not like them all but they have those positions on paper filled.

Where as OT,OG,Edge, ILB#2, WR#3 while they may have bodies they aren't players who have started consistently at those positions.

That said take the best player at any of those impact positions.



Well, to have immediate impact it has to be: 1 a position of need, and  
Marty in Albany : 4/20/2021 12:14 pm : link
2. The player has to perform like a veteran, or be extraordinary.

Since need is constantly changing because of injuries to starters and because many great players take a year or more to get their feet under them, I don't know who we should pick.
Parsons...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/20/2021 12:42 pm : link
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RE: Kwity Paye  
Thegratefulhead : 4/20/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15226739 Hawkman said:
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Kwity as well as several others would make an immediate impact.Some on O and some on D and some on specials as returners. As some of you know, Kwity played for Bishop Hendricken High School in RI where my son is head coach.Kwity is very versatile, he can help off edge or inside with his hand in dirt and can play multiple positions at weak or strong side....I can say without reservation the Giants love Kwity’s versatility, his skill set, and his character. I obviously don’t know who is number one on our board but we could do a lot worse than Kwity.
I am sure he is a stellar dude. I want no part of someone that could not at least pile up sacks against the weaker offensive line play in the Big 10. He will face MUCH better OL in the NFL. Great kid, not seeing the collegiate production I want out of a player picked at 11.

More to defense than Sacks. I get that. We have players that do those other things VERY well. We need SACKS.
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TroutMan : 4/20/2021 12:55 pm : link
Parsons or Sewell.
Jaelen Phillips  
jeff57 : 4/20/2021 1:00 pm : link
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RE: Jaelen Phillips  
Bill L : 4/20/2021 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15226982 jeff57 said:
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If people are concerned about Waddle because of his ankle, wouldn't they be a hundred times more leery of Phillips? I know I am.
Kwity Paye  
Hawkman : 4/20/2021 1:13 pm : link
Kwity played mainly DE at Bishop Hendricken but occasionally played in space. In order to keep Kwity fresh and so as to prevent possible injury he rarely played on O. He did play specials on occasion either returning punts or kickoffs but other team just kicked away from him. On punt versus tough opponents Kwity was our gunner and on punt return he was our sniper running parallel to our wall . In his senior year he carried the ball about 20 times and had 10 or 12 TD’s....in his final game vs our rival in the state championship game he had 6 carries with 4 TD’s...I stood in end zone with Don Brown(the then DC for Michigan) who said:” if Jim Harbaugh sees this tape he might move him to RB”
At Michigan Kwity played all Dline positions and also dropped in coverage at times....that is the main reason his sack total was down as he moved all over the field
Right now the starting guards are Fulton on the right side and sone  
Spider56 : 4/20/2021 1:13 pm : link
combination of Hernandez and Lemieux on the left. Slater and VT might be better than all 3 ... As a runner up nominee, Parsons and Collins could both start over Crowder / Ragland. I can’t see any other guys beating out an incumbent as a day 1 starter.
Parsons/Phillips  
Hawkman : 4/20/2021 1:19 pm : link
They could well be our pick and have terrific careers....however, there could well be off field concerns with both of them I’ve heard. After the Baker Fiasco I would suspect Judge will want squeaky clean picks....if however, he has intel that he is comfortable with he will perhaps overlook their off field indiscretions.

I’m obviously biased towards Kwity and I want whatever is best for GMEN success....I was excited to see that Sy thinks Kwity is the real deal.
RE: Right now the starting guards are Fulton on the right side and sone  
Bill L : 4/20/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15226997 Spider56 said:
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combination of Hernandez and Lemieux on the left. Slater and VT might be better than all 3 ... As a runner up nominee, Parsons and Collins could both start over Crowder / Ragland. I can’t see any other guys beating out an incumbent as a day 1 starter.


Smith/Waddle wouldn't start over Slayton? Paye wouldn't start over...over...who? Heck, Surtain or Horn might make a run at Jackson.

Honestly, almost anyone we could name as a legit #11 (not that I think Payer is that) would start over our incumbent. Maybe except Pitts. which is ironic.
RE: RE: Right now the starting guards are Fulton on the right side and sone  
Spider56 : 4/20/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15227011 Bill L said:
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In comment 15226997 Spider56 said:

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combination of Hernandez and Lemieux on the left. Slater and VT might be better than all 3 ... As a runner up nominee, Parsons and Collins could both start over Crowder / Ragland. I can’t see any other guys beating out an incumbent as a day 1 starter.

Smith/Waddle wouldn't start over Slayton? Paye wouldn't start over...over...who? Heck, Surtain or Horn might make a run at Jackson.

Honestly, almost anyone we could name as a legit #11 (not that I think Payer is that) would start over our incumbent. Maybe except Pitts. which is ironic.


The starting WRs are Golladay and Shepard. And from what I understand Paye is a hands in the dirt guy which is still a strength of the team. As for Waddle and Smith, I remember when the college hype on Ross and Pettis was nearly just as great. OG is the weak link for the team.
IMO Smith would have the biggest impact  
jsuds : 4/20/2021 3:28 pm : link
His presence opens it up for every other receiver, the RB, and QB. I hope it's Smith. If he is there and the Giants pass I think a lot of people will regret it for years to come.
RE: RE: RE: Right now the starting guards are Fulton on the right side and sone  
Bill L : 4/20/2021 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15227044 Spider56 said:
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In comment 15227011 Bill L said:


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In comment 15226997 Spider56 said:

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combination of Hernandez and Lemieux on the left. Slater and VT might be better than all 3 ... As a runner up nominee, Parsons and Collins could both start over Crowder / Ragland. I can’t see any other guys beating out an incumbent as a day 1 starter.

Smith/Waddle wouldn't start over Slayton? Paye wouldn't start over...over...who? Heck, Surtain or Horn might make a run at Jackson.

Honestly, almost anyone we could name as a legit #11 (not that I think Payer is that) would start over our incumbent. Maybe except Pitts. which is ironic.



The starting WRs are Golladay and Shepard. And from what I understand Paye is a hands in the dirt guy which is still a strength of the team. As for Waddle and Smith, I remember when the college hype on Ross and Pettis was nearly just as great. OG is the weak link for the team.

So WR is discounted because Smith and Waddle are akin to failed past picks but OG needs to be filled because Slater is a sure thing??
Lots of OL in this thread  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/20/2021 6:49 pm : link
OL is not a position that usually provides immediate returns.

Waddle is the correct answer.
I'll bet Daniel Jones would say that,  
CT Charlie : 4/20/2021 9:54 pm : link
given Golladay, Slayton, Shep, and Ross, he'd much rather have 1-2 more seconds to pass than another good receiver with our current O-line. Could we find the right O-lineman in the 2nd round? Maybe. But DJ would lobby for a 1st rounder.
RE: I'll bet Daniel Jones would say that,  
Bill L : 4/20/2021 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15227664 CT Charlie said:
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given Golladay, Slayton, Shep, and Ross, he'd much rather have 1-2 more seconds to pass than another good receiver with our current O-line. Could we find the right O-lineman in the 2nd round? Maybe. But DJ would lobby for a 1st rounder.
But Shepard, as Slayton, and Ross all sucked last year. So you’re not going him much at all. Give him KG and one other WR who can separate and you have your 1-2 secs right there.

But mostly, I would bet that Daniel Jones would say it’s not his job to pick players but to work with the ones who get picked.
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