what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
Dave is sure to reward your fealty to him someday, I just know it.
RE: Rjangy....we are definitely on same wavelength
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
It's like we are sharing the same brain lol!
Bateman and Ojulari are just really good football players. You have to envision the player is a Giants uniform. I really want Parsons or Smith at 11 if not I could be very happy with Ojulary, Bateman and an extra 2nd and 4th round pick.
are the only QBs taken in the top 10 because every else there would rather have Pitts, the 3 top WR, the 2 top OL, and a top Edge, and teams 12-20 that were meh on moving up for Fields or Lance at a top 5-10 cost might suddenly be willing to jump in at 11 to get one of them.
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
He's saying they've discussed it internally. hahaha.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
are the only QBs taken in the top 10 because every else there would rather have Pitts, the 3 top WR, the 2 top OL, and a top Edge, and teams 12-20 that were meh on moving up for Fields or Lance at a top 5-10 cost might suddenly be willing to jump in at 11 to get one of them.
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
Gettleman has never traded down before and passed up a prime spot to do it a few years ago to take a RB. I also find it hard to believe that a better GM couldn’t have played poker and tried to get some kind of asset from either Miami or LAC who took back to back QBs in the top 6 of the draft right after us last year.
I just want players who are actually good and can really contribute sooner rather than later.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
He's saying they've discussed it internally. hahaha.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
Maybe, but the timing was suspicious. Plus they needed a QB and while they've denied they were taking Jones, they did take Lock.
I often like trade downs when it is clear that the value of our pick far exceeds the value of the player we would use the pick for.
However, if there is a question on whether one prefers a single *Great* player compared to a couple of good players. Or gambles at *competent* players.
I've been frustated many times by the Giants not moving down in drafts to pick up assets. Very frustrated.
However, this draft in particular I don't feel is one I would want to move down in. And that's because I believe Waddle or Parsons will be at 11.
I always prefer a single great performer to a couple of good performers.
Truly special players are what gets teams over the hump to win championships, I really believe that.
We won't know until draft day, but I suspect this is a draft where I would want them to sit pat at 11.
Giants trading down to pick up another 2 and 3 in this years draft.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
Giants trading down to pick up another 2 and 3 in this years draft.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
I have a plan via trading down with New England to no.15 and we’d get another pick in the 2nd round, then using the pick (no.15) to draft Parsons since I think there’s a chance he’d still be there, if he’s as great as he is.
I just want players who are actually good and can really contribute sooner rather than later.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
Just let Judge make the decisions already...
You are preaching to the converted here. Especially with limited picks in this draft. With Gettleman, I always feel like he's being manipulated by the draft, and not the other way around - like a Belichick, Veach, Grier, etc.
Can you imagine if Jones doesn't work out how bad that '19 draft looks in hindsight? Baker was a disaster. And while Lawrence seems mostly good, honestly I am not seeing anything elite at this stage...
So we really need to start hooking legit difference makers in the draft. Instead of players who are good enough to start, show some decent production, but never break out to a higher level.
When is the last time this organization really nailed a draft where it a memorable class?
4 picks no first and drafted Webster in the 2nd, Tuck in the 3rd and Brandon Jacobs in the 4th. Accorsi got it right
Adding Pierce, Plax and McKenzie made that offseason what it was. The draft was the icing on the cake for sure. But remember that Webster wasn't looking so good until about halfway through the 2007 season, Tuck was a back and played inside on 3rd downs. Jacobs was the best of the 3 initially.
and a trade up. You have to get a sense for what the value is on a draft pick. Why wouldnt you listen to offers even if you dont think youll trade? Know the market.
But they need a quarterback to fall or someone who loves one of the other guys still on the board.
Duggan has the Giants trading up with the second round pick, forth and sixth to get in the end of the first round. I would be pissed if this happens as they need more players not less picks
07!?
bradshaw, smith, ross, deossie, boss...doesnt get better than that. every rookie contributed.
Good draft and as you say all contributors to that Super Bowl year for certain.
Its just when I think nailing a draft, it means you found several core guys that deliver annually or build around. Injuries didn't help Smith and Boss which fairly shouldn't count against draft status but Bradshaw probably was the only a core guy. DeOssie was very good but not a position player.
2005 had several core+ guys. 2010 also had JPP and Linval Joseph so that was impressive two-some even though not Giants for their terms.
In all my pff sims, which is where I get all my vast knowledge and real information, the best values always end up trading down from 42. There’s a lot of flexibility to be had at the OL/edge spots after that. I usually go edge RB and then end up with a decent Og after that, but that’s just me.
whats the point of this post because its not funny.
You're asking Googs aka LBH15 (who continuously lies about his association with that secondary handle) what the point is of one of his posts? Thats your first mistake right there, as you are only talkingbto a meatball who follows bw and Go Terps' posts like the fat lackey who followed Gene Hackman (yea I know his characters name but dont want to give the credit) around in the Superman movies.
Googs is nose turds. Never provides any insight on any football thread ever. Even when asked for it! Nobody cares. If Terps, bw, or Producer posts he shows up offering zip.
Only a matter of time before he bails and shows under a new username.
I think Judge has more say in if the Giants trade back if the player they want is not on the board. It is a very valuable pick if a QB falls or if there is a team that want's a perticular player. Hopefully if we do trade back we get a nice package in return or maybe a player and picks.
Oh? Based on what? How many of these prospect have you seen in person? How many hours of film have you dissected?
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
Dave is sure to reward your fealty to him someday, I just know it.
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
It's like we are sharing the same brain lol!
Bateman and Ojulari are just really good football players. You have to envision the player is a Giants uniform. I really want Parsons or Smith at 11 if not I could be very happy with Ojulary, Bateman and an extra 2nd and 4th round pick.
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
Get it now?
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
forget it. At least 4 QBs will go in the top 10.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
Just let Judge make the decisions already...
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
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He's saying they've discussed it internally. hahaha.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
Get it now?
You don't need to preach to me, m'fer.
I didn't read your Bullshit.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
I didn't read your Bullshit.
I'll be nice until it's time not to be nice.
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I didn't read your Bullshit.
I'll be nice until it's time not to be nice.
OK tough guy.
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I didn't read your Bullshit.
I'll be nice until it's time not to be nice.
OK tough guy.
Dude. I'm kidding!
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
It would be nice to hear from the first 3 right now!!
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The tell will be when they trade down.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
Maybe, but the timing was suspicious. Plus they needed a QB and while they've denied they were taking Jones, they did take Lock.
However, if there is a question on whether one prefers a single *Great* player compared to a couple of good players. Or gambles at *competent* players.
I've been frustated many times by the Giants not moving down in drafts to pick up assets. Very frustrated.
However, this draft in particular I don't feel is one I would want to move down in. And that's because I believe Waddle or Parsons will be at 11.
I always prefer a single great performer to a couple of good performers.
Truly special players are what gets teams over the hump to win championships, I really believe that.
We won't know until draft day, but I suspect this is a draft where I would want them to sit pat at 11.
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list of people I trust on the Giants, from all walks of life, and this is literally the only list:
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
It would be nice to hear from the first 3 right now!!
You did.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
I have a plan via trading down with New England to no.15 and we’d get another pick in the 2nd round, then using the pick (no.15) to draft Parsons since I think there’s a chance he’d still be there, if he’s as great as he is.
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list of people I trust on the Giants, from all walks of life, and this is literally the only list:
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
It would be nice to hear from the first 3 right now!!
You did.
Rico and Peppers in this thread? I know I can count on you Jon to be present with the best info you have.
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
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I just want players who are actually good and can really contribute sooner rather than later.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
Just let Judge make the decisions already...
You are preaching to the converted here. Especially with limited picks in this draft. With Gettleman, I always feel like he's being manipulated by the draft, and not the other way around - like a Belichick, Veach, Grier, etc.
Can you imagine if Jones doesn't work out how bad that '19 draft looks in hindsight? Baker was a disaster. And while Lawrence seems mostly good, honestly I am not seeing anything elite at this stage...
So we really need to start hooking legit difference makers in the draft. Instead of players who are good enough to start, show some decent production, but never break out to a higher level.
When is the last time this organization really nailed a draft where it a memorable class?
Adding Pierce, Plax and McKenzie made that offseason what it was. The draft was the icing on the cake for sure. But remember that Webster wasn't looking so good until about halfway through the 2007 season, Tuck was a back and played inside on 3rd downs. Jacobs was the best of the 3 initially.
2007 ring a bell to you?
Duggan has the Giants trading up with the second round pick, forth and sixth to get in the end of the first round. I would be pissed if this happens as they need more players not less picks
07!?
bradshaw, smith, ross, deossie, boss...doesnt get better than that. every rookie contributed.
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since maybe 2005?
07!?
bradshaw, smith, ross, deossie, boss...doesnt get better than that. every rookie contributed.
Good draft and as you say all contributors to that Super Bowl year for certain.
Its just when I think nailing a draft, it means you found several core guys that deliver annually or build around. Injuries didn't help Smith and Boss which fairly shouldn't count against draft status but Bradshaw probably was the only a core guy. DeOssie was very good but not a position player.
2005 had several core+ guys. 2010 also had JPP and Linval Joseph so that was impressive two-some even though not Giants for their terms.
WHo is the best edge is the real question
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Totally fine taking the best EDGE and accumulating picks.
WHo is the best edge is the real question
and now Gettleman...
whats the point of this post because its not funny.
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Marco Polo, Magellan, Columbus, Lewis & Clark
and now Gettleman...
whats the point of this post because its not funny.
You're asking Googs aka LBH15 (who continuously lies about his association with that secondary handle) what the point is of one of his posts? Thats your first mistake right there, as you are only talkingbto a meatball who follows bw and Go Terps' posts like the fat lackey who followed Gene Hackman (yea I know his characters name but dont want to give the credit) around in the Superman movies.
Googs is nose turds. Never provides any insight on any football thread ever. Even when asked for it! Nobody cares. If Terps, bw, or Producer posts he shows up offering zip.
Only a matter of time before he bails and shows under a new username.
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Totally fine taking the best EDGE and accumulating picks.
WHo is the best edge is the real question
if you have to ask, they’re certainly not worth picking where we are picking.
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