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The #Giants are slated to pick No. 11 in the NFL Draft, and trading back is already something they are internally considering, I’m told. That spot will have real value. … How rare would a trade down be? GM Dave Gettleman has never traded down in the 1st round in 8 drafts as a GM
To have that in your pocket in case things don’t shake out the way you want them. It only makes sense to explore it. Having said that.... what’s the news in this report?
To have that in your pocket in case things don’t shake out the way you want them. It only makes sense to explore it. Having said that.... what’s the news in this report?
This is the Giants letting other teams know that #11 is available for the right price. The NFL "insiders" don't just find information on the sidewalk, particularly at this time of year teams use them to get the word out.
but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.
This and maybe they feel if they trade back and get their guy they can justify the trade back by picking up extra picks, maybe even trading back into the late 1st round to get another targeted player.
I do feel teams fall in love with certain players and try to determine what the league thinks as well.
I can see a trade back with Chicago to 20, draft Ojulari and get a 2021 2nd round and 4th round pick. Then use our early 2nd and 4th rounder to go get Rashad Bateman from MN in the back end of round 1, then we would still have a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick for day 2.
easier said than done to pull off. If the Giants view any one of about 6-8 guys on the same level, a trade down makes sense. But who's going to trade up with us, for what player, and for what return in a trade?
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
whether its a QB or a team trying to jump the eagles to get the WR
I think the giants phone will be ringing. The question is if they are set on taking an edge guy they should move down. If Phillips was a clean healthy prospect he would 100% be the guy but he isn't so he kinda lumps in with the rest of the guys which you can get farther down the draft.
Pick up some extra draft capital and move down if someone is willing to pay top dollar to move up.
easier said than done to pull off. If the Giants view any one of about 6-8 guys on the same level, a trade down makes sense. But who's going to trade up with us, for what player, and for what return in a trade?
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
I think a team would try and jump the eagles for a WR.
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
I think this is called building a foundation. Teams are aware of patterns as much as media and fans are. They can see DG has no trade-down history and reused to do so in situations where it made some sense in the past.
I think this is part of the effort to convince other teams that the Giants are serious about trading down where they have not been in the past.
Also remember that several teams above the Giants are considering trading out. While we have a decent idea where teams currently above the Giants may go, if there are trades, that scrambles the board and may result in players the Giants were hoping to target at 11 not being there. As a result, the Giants need to have a realistic and not last-minute plan to move back as needed.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
to just outside the top 10 will cost significantly less to many teams as well, instead of moving inside it. There will certainly be many really excellent players available that a team will be willing to move up for at our spot. I love it.
Just because we aren't privy to internal discussion within the war room or conversations between GMs, we assume Gettleman doesn't trade down. We haven't got a clue how the Giants have players stacked or what previous offers were made in other drafts (if any).
Of course they're considering trading out of the pick. They've also considering moving up, I'm sure. And staying put. They're probably running all types of role plays for all situations. That's what they're supposed to do to preapre.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
If 5 teams go QB and Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Sewell, and Chase are off the board, we won't see much of a trade down market.
to just outside the top 10 will cost significantly less to many teams as well, instead of moving inside it. There will certainly be many really excellent players available that a team will be willing to move up for at our spot. I love it.
With the new CBA, that's an arbitrary distinction.
This is likely linked from the Giants front office
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
jvm52106 noted, trading down is most likely if one of the QBs is still available. But even if none are, someone might still want to move up for a non QB.
Several points:
(1) DG has never traded down, but would have done so last year if McKinney wasn't on the board.
(2) Judge is probably more open to trading down, and DG is likely following his lead on a lot of player personnel issues.
(3) DG has used trades to get other draft picks (JPP, OBJ).
(4) They likely have most of the EDGE players rated similarly, and can still get one with a small trade down.
What would be interesting is if they trade down even if Smith is available. That seems likely. Just a few more days until we know.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
You guys kill me with this cloak and dagger shit. [/quote]
That's kind of how the relationships between front offices and journalists work. Information is currency. I'm sure the Giants got an insider nugget on what other teams are doing for Rap so he could post this information. Giving this information to Rap so other teams call you makes a lot more sense than calling 31 other teams.
rumor is too direct. Not buying it. Feels more like a trying to throw a team off the scent than anything else. Make Philly think Giants are targeting Edge and looking to trade back so they don't get aggressive and jump us for the the WR we actually want.
Is there they don't expect they scrap the idea, but if you prepare yourself for a trade back then you are not just reactive. Sounds to me they finally got someone in the building that has a brain.
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
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In comment 15226847 Sean said: /////// Quote: but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.//////
That's what it sounds like to me. /////
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
Classic case of BBI group think. It's what a lot of us want them to do, so when someone surfaces it, 'it just sounds right'. (: Pray for a willing trade partner at the right spot down.
If Smith and Waddle are gone trading down makes a ton of sense.
Taking Ojulari or Paye at 11 seems like a reach but if you can trade down 4 or 5 spots and get them along with additional draft capital it is more tolerable.
That being said I hope Smith or Waddle is there at 11.
they have a player or 2 who they will select at 11, and if they are not there, will have a deal in place to move back. I fully expect this is what is going on.
Stay at 11 and take Waddle or Smith tired of Canadian league level
Would the Pats be trading down like they have if they didn't have 20 years of solidified QB play? Now that they don't word is they may trade up, so is Belichick now stupid if he does?
RE: If Slater, Sewell & Smith are all gone by 11 (which is likely)
Inserting a small infiltration team into the Cowboys facility at night led by Chris Mara? They can take take pictures of their draft board. Mess up their papers. Draw cocks and balls in the hallways. Steal their mascot. Totally demoralize them. Think Saved by the Bell meets Mission Impossible.
There's a fairly good chance their top targets are gone before #11.
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
Agreed, they are exploring their options. It doesn't mean that they are trading down, but if the guys that they have high on their board are gone, then this is the obvious thing to do.
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
Dave is sure to reward your fealty to him someday, I just know it.
RE: Rjangy....we are definitely on same wavelength
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
It's like we are sharing the same brain lol!
Bateman and Ojulari are just really good football players. You have to envision the player is a Giants uniform. I really want Parsons or Smith at 11 if not I could be very happy with Ojulary, Bateman and an extra 2nd and 4th round pick.
are the only QBs taken in the top 10 because every else there would rather have Pitts, the 3 top WR, the 2 top OL, and a top Edge, and teams 12-20 that were meh on moving up for Fields or Lance at a top 5-10 cost might suddenly be willing to jump in at 11 to get one of them.
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
He's saying they've discussed it internally. hahaha.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
are the only QBs taken in the top 10 because every else there would rather have Pitts, the 3 top WR, the 2 top OL, and a top Edge, and teams 12-20 that were meh on moving up for Fields or Lance at a top 5-10 cost might suddenly be willing to jump in at 11 to get one of them.
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
Gettleman has never traded down before and passed up a prime spot to do it a few years ago to take a RB. I also find it hard to believe that a better GM couldn’t have played poker and tried to get some kind of asset from either Miami or LAC who took back to back QBs in the top 6 of the draft right after us last year.
I just want players who are actually good and can really contribute sooner rather than later.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
He's saying they've discussed it internally. hahaha.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
Maybe, but the timing was suspicious. Plus they needed a QB and while they've denied they were taking Jones, they did take Lock.
I often like trade downs when it is clear that the value of our pick far exceeds the value of the player we would use the pick for.
However, if there is a question on whether one prefers a single *Great* player compared to a couple of good players. Or gambles at *competent* players.
I've been frustated many times by the Giants not moving down in drafts to pick up assets. Very frustrated.
However, this draft in particular I don't feel is one I would want to move down in. And that's because I believe Waddle or Parsons will be at 11.
I always prefer a single great performer to a couple of good performers.
Truly special players are what gets teams over the hump to win championships, I really believe that.
We won't know until draft day, but I suspect this is a draft where I would want them to sit pat at 11.
Giants trading down to pick up another 2 and 3 in this years draft.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
Giants trading down to pick up another 2 and 3 in this years draft.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
I have a plan via trading down with New England to no.15 and we’d get another pick in the 2nd round, then using the pick (no.15) to draft Parsons since I think there’s a chance he’d still be there, if he’s as great as he is.
I just want players who are actually good and can really contribute sooner rather than later.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
Just let Judge make the decisions already...
You are preaching to the converted here. Especially with limited picks in this draft. With Gettleman, I always feel like he's being manipulated by the draft, and not the other way around - like a Belichick, Veach, Grier, etc.
Can you imagine if Jones doesn't work out how bad that '19 draft looks in hindsight? Baker was a disaster. And while Lawrence seems mostly good, honestly I am not seeing anything elite at this stage...
So we really need to start hooking legit difference makers in the draft. Instead of players who are good enough to start, show some decent production, but never break out to a higher level.
When is the last time this organization really nailed a draft where it a memorable class?
4 picks no first and drafted Webster in the 2nd, Tuck in the 3rd and Brandon Jacobs in the 4th. Accorsi got it right
Adding Pierce, Plax and McKenzie made that offseason what it was. The draft was the icing on the cake for sure. But remember that Webster wasn't looking so good until about halfway through the 2007 season, Tuck was a back and played inside on 3rd downs. Jacobs was the best of the 3 initially.
and a trade up. You have to get a sense for what the value is on a draft pick. Why wouldnt you listen to offers even if you dont think youll trade? Know the market.
But they need a quarterback to fall or someone who loves one of the other guys still on the board.
Duggan has the Giants trading up with the second round pick, forth and sixth to get in the end of the first round. I would be pissed if this happens as they need more players not less picks
07!?
bradshaw, smith, ross, deossie, boss...doesnt get better than that. every rookie contributed.
Good draft and as you say all contributors to that Super Bowl year for certain.
Its just when I think nailing a draft, it means you found several core guys that deliver annually or build around. Injuries didn't help Smith and Boss which fairly shouldn't count against draft status but Bradshaw probably was the only a core guy. DeOssie was very good but not a position player.
2005 had several core+ guys. 2010 also had JPP and Linval Joseph so that was impressive two-some even though not Giants for their terms.
In all my pff sims, which is where I get all my vast knowledge and real information, the best values always end up trading down from 42. There’s a lot of flexibility to be had at the OL/edge spots after that. I usually go edge RB and then end up with a decent Og after that, but that’s just me.
whats the point of this post because its not funny.
You're asking Googs aka LBH15 (who continuously lies about his association with that secondary handle) what the point is of one of his posts? Thats your first mistake right there, as you are only talkingbto a meatball who follows bw and Go Terps' posts like the fat lackey who followed Gene Hackman (yea I know his characters name but dont want to give the credit) around in the Superman movies.
Googs is nose turds. Never provides any insight on any football thread ever. Even when asked for it! Nobody cares. If Terps, bw, or Producer posts he shows up offering zip.
Only a matter of time before he bails and shows under a new username.
I think Judge has more say in if the Giants trade back if the player they want is not on the board. It is a very valuable pick if a QB falls or if there is a team that want's a perticular player. Hopefully if we do trade back we get a nice package in return or maybe a player and picks.
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The #Giants are slated to pick No. 11 in the NFL Draft, and trading back is already something they are internally considering, I’m told. That spot will have real value. … How rare would a trade down be? GM Dave Gettleman has never traded down in the 1st round in 8 drafts as a GM
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
I hope this is the case.
I hope this is the case.
That's what it sounds like to me.
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but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.
That's what it sounds like to me.
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
Pitts, Sewell and Chase likely gone as well.
So one of D Smith, Waddle, Parsons, Surtain, Slater, Paye, Horn and Vera-Tucker will be available at 15.
If I can one of the 8 above AND get at least another 2021 2nd rounder (and maybe more), I'm all in.
This is the Giants letting other teams know that #11 is available for the right price. The NFL "insiders" don't just find information on the sidewalk, particularly at this time of year teams use them to get the word out.
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but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.
That's what it sounds like to me.
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
I hope this is the case.
This and maybe they feel if they trade back and get their guy they can justify the trade back by picking up extra picks, maybe even trading back into the late 1st round to get another targeted player.
I do feel teams fall in love with certain players and try to determine what the league thinks as well.
I can see a trade back with Chicago to 20, draft Ojulari and get a 2021 2nd round and 4th round pick. Then use our early 2nd and 4th rounder to go get Rashad Bateman from MN in the back end of round 1, then we would still have a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick for day 2.
That is how you build a roster and get your guy.
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
Pick up some extra draft capital and move down if someone is willing to pay top dollar to move up.
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
I think a team would try and jump the eagles for a WR.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
I think this is called building a foundation. Teams are aware of patterns as much as media and fans are. They can see DG has no trade-down history and reused to do so in situations where it made some sense in the past.
I think this is part of the effort to convince other teams that the Giants are serious about trading down where they have not been in the past.
Also remember that several teams above the Giants are considering trading out. While we have a decent idea where teams currently above the Giants may go, if there are trades, that scrambles the board and may result in players the Giants were hoping to target at 11 not being there. As a result, the Giants need to have a realistic and not last-minute plan to move back as needed.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Of course they're considering trading out of the pick. They've also considering moving up, I'm sure. And staying put. They're probably running all types of role plays for all situations. That's what they're supposed to do to preapre.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
If 5 teams go QB and Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Sewell, and Chase are off the board, we won't see much of a trade down market.
With the new CBA, that's an arbitrary distinction.
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
LOL
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
You guys kill me with this cloak and dagger shit.
and now Gettleman...
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Giants using Rap to let the league know they're open for business would be my guess.
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
Several points:
(1) DG has never traded down, but would have done so last year if McKinney wasn't on the board.
(2) Judge is probably more open to trading down, and DG is likely following his lead on a lot of player personnel issues.
(3) DG has used trades to get other draft picks (JPP, OBJ).
(4) They likely have most of the EDGE players rated similarly, and can still get one with a small trade down.
What would be interesting is if they trade down even if Smith is available. That seems likely. Just a few more days until we know.
I'd take the Bears #20, their 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. See if they bite.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
You guys kill me with this cloak and dagger shit. [/quote]
That's kind of how the relationships between front offices and journalists work. Information is currency. I'm sure the Giants got an insider nugget on what other teams are doing for Rap so he could post this information. Giving this information to Rap so other teams call you makes a lot more sense than calling 31 other teams.
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#20, #42, #52 and CHI's 1st next year
I think the guessing at Edge is correct with a trade back. Then get Leatherwood or one of the good OL and either another ER or WR(more likely).
Build through the draft...
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
I'd take the Bears #20, their 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. See if they bite.
In my scenario, a highly coveted QB would still be on the board, which would cause a bidding war between a couple of teams looking to trade up.
Really, the Bears at #20 would be a sweet spot between not dropping to far and still getting a haul in return.
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I hope this is the case.//////
That's what it sounds like to me. /////
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
That being said I hope Smith or Waddle is there at 11.
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
Would the Pats be trading down like they have if they didn't have 20 years of solidified QB play? Now that they don't word is they may trade up, so is Belichick now stupid if he does?
I think Slater or Smith will be there.
My wife hollered out of the shower this morning that she thinks the Giants are exploring trading down, so...
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
I hope that they are listening. It would be pretty stupid if they're offering (now).
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
Agreed, they are exploring their options. It doesn't mean that they are trading down, but if the guys that they have high on their board are gone, then this is the obvious thing to do.
My wife hollered out of the shower this morning that she thinks the Giants are exploring trading down, so...
That's some funny stuff Lugnut. Right on.
75%?
Absolutely. You have to take care of your own needs first and foremost. Drafting defensively is surely a losing proposition.
Oh? Based on what? How many of these prospect have you seen in person? How many hours of film have you dissected?
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
Dave is sure to reward your fealty to him someday, I just know it.
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
It's like we are sharing the same brain lol!
Bateman and Ojulari are just really good football players. You have to envision the player is a Giants uniform. I really want Parsons or Smith at 11 if not I could be very happy with Ojulary, Bateman and an extra 2nd and 4th round pick.
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
Get it now?
Minny and Vegas come to mind.
forget it. At least 4 QBs will go in the top 10.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
Just let Judge make the decisions already...
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
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He's saying they've discussed it internally. hahaha.
Well of course they have! They discuss shit like this every year. Gettleman's never done it but it's bound to happen at some point, right?
It's plainly obvious you're a neophyte to how front office and journalists relationships work. Presumably you have never worked for a professional sports team. Let me share what I've learned.
You see, information is currency. Think dollars. Rapapport has successfully compiled a list of 2021 draft prospects and NFL teams' needs. He then matches needs to prospects based on where that team is picking.
Only beat reporters are capable of doing this since NYG brass is off racing horses and making movies and shit. So when draft time rolls around, we pay dudes like Rapapport...currency...to find out who teams are interested in drafting. This is complex stuff.
Finally, since there's a moratorium on teams talking to each other during the offseason, we need to get the word out that we are open for business and are willing to wheel and deal - all sexy like; rather than calling a team directly (seen as weak), we float the story through an intermediary.
Get it now?
You don't need to preach to me, m'fer.
I didn't read your Bullshit.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
I didn't read your Bullshit.
I'll be nice until it's time not to be nice.
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I didn't read your Bullshit.
I'll be nice until it's time not to be nice.
OK tough guy.
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I didn't read your Bullshit.
I'll be nice until it's time not to be nice.
OK tough guy.
Dude. I'm kidding!
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
It would be nice to hear from the first 3 right now!!
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The tell will be when they trade down.
For example, the Bronocs traded down with Pittsburgh right after the Giants took Jones. So if Smith comes off the board and the Giants trade down, it's likely that Smith would have been the pick by the Giants.
Or what you're calling a tell is actually just a coincidence.
Maybe, but the timing was suspicious. Plus they needed a QB and while they've denied they were taking Jones, they did take Lock.
However, if there is a question on whether one prefers a single *Great* player compared to a couple of good players. Or gambles at *competent* players.
I've been frustated many times by the Giants not moving down in drafts to pick up assets. Very frustrated.
However, this draft in particular I don't feel is one I would want to move down in. And that's because I believe Waddle or Parsons will be at 11.
I always prefer a single great performer to a couple of good performers.
Truly special players are what gets teams over the hump to win championships, I really believe that.
We won't know until draft day, but I suspect this is a draft where I would want them to sit pat at 11.
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list of people I trust on the Giants, from all walks of life, and this is literally the only list:
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
It would be nice to hear from the first 3 right now!!
You did.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
Teams that propel into contention, quick rebuild, or sustained competition clean up in the mid rounds more than others.
In this years pandemic draft, a team with four picks in the 2nd and 3rd could really help themselves with talent bandwidth being so broad due to opt outs, limited in person scouting, etc.
I have a plan via trading down with New England to no.15 and we’d get another pick in the 2nd round, then using the pick (no.15) to draft Parsons since I think there’s a chance he’d still be there, if he’s as great as he is.
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list of people I trust on the Giants, from all walks of life, and this is literally the only list:
Rico, Peppers, JonC, Mike Garafolo...that's it
It would be nice to hear from the first 3 right now!!
You did.
Rico and Peppers in this thread? I know I can count on you Jon to be present with the best info you have.
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
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I just want players who are actually good and can really contribute sooner rather than later.
Sitting there with a major restructuring of the roster that had to occur, holes/upgrades required at numerous starting positions and holding #2, #6 and #4 overall picks in successive drafts and this GM doesn't trade down.
Now, after spending a ton in free agency in past two years presumably filling a bunch of said holes and holding a lower draft position at #11...it's now time to trade down.
Just let Judge make the decisions already...
You are preaching to the converted here. Especially with limited picks in this draft. With Gettleman, I always feel like he's being manipulated by the draft, and not the other way around - like a Belichick, Veach, Grier, etc.
Can you imagine if Jones doesn't work out how bad that '19 draft looks in hindsight? Baker was a disaster. And while Lawrence seems mostly good, honestly I am not seeing anything elite at this stage...
So we really need to start hooking legit difference makers in the draft. Instead of players who are good enough to start, show some decent production, but never break out to a higher level.
When is the last time this organization really nailed a draft where it a memorable class?
Adding Pierce, Plax and McKenzie made that offseason what it was. The draft was the icing on the cake for sure. But remember that Webster wasn't looking so good until about halfway through the 2007 season, Tuck was a back and played inside on 3rd downs. Jacobs was the best of the 3 initially.
2007 ring a bell to you?
Duggan has the Giants trading up with the second round pick, forth and sixth to get in the end of the first round. I would be pissed if this happens as they need more players not less picks
07!?
bradshaw, smith, ross, deossie, boss...doesnt get better than that. every rookie contributed.
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since maybe 2005?
07!?
bradshaw, smith, ross, deossie, boss...doesnt get better than that. every rookie contributed.
Good draft and as you say all contributors to that Super Bowl year for certain.
Its just when I think nailing a draft, it means you found several core guys that deliver annually or build around. Injuries didn't help Smith and Boss which fairly shouldn't count against draft status but Bradshaw probably was the only a core guy. DeOssie was very good but not a position player.
2005 had several core+ guys. 2010 also had JPP and Linval Joseph so that was impressive two-some even though not Giants for their terms.
WHo is the best edge is the real question
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Totally fine taking the best EDGE and accumulating picks.
WHo is the best edge is the real question
and now Gettleman...
whats the point of this post because its not funny.
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Marco Polo, Magellan, Columbus, Lewis & Clark
and now Gettleman...
whats the point of this post because its not funny.
You're asking Googs aka LBH15 (who continuously lies about his association with that secondary handle) what the point is of one of his posts? Thats your first mistake right there, as you are only talkingbto a meatball who follows bw and Go Terps' posts like the fat lackey who followed Gene Hackman (yea I know his characters name but dont want to give the credit) around in the Superman movies.
Googs is nose turds. Never provides any insight on any football thread ever. Even when asked for it! Nobody cares. If Terps, bw, or Producer posts he shows up offering zip.
Only a matter of time before he bails and shows under a new username.
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Totally fine taking the best EDGE and accumulating picks.
WHo is the best edge is the real question
if you have to ask, they’re certainly not worth picking where we are picking.
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