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The #Giants are slated to pick No. 11 in the NFL Draft, and trading back is already something they are internally considering, I’m told. That spot will have real value. … How rare would a trade down be? GM Dave Gettleman has never traded down in the 1st round in 8 drafts as a GM
To have that in your pocket in case things don’t shake out the way you want them. It only makes sense to explore it. Having said that.... what’s the news in this report?
To have that in your pocket in case things don’t shake out the way you want them. It only makes sense to explore it. Having said that.... what’s the news in this report?
This is the Giants letting other teams know that #11 is available for the right price. The NFL "insiders" don't just find information on the sidewalk, particularly at this time of year teams use them to get the word out.
but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.
This and maybe they feel if they trade back and get their guy they can justify the trade back by picking up extra picks, maybe even trading back into the late 1st round to get another targeted player.
I do feel teams fall in love with certain players and try to determine what the league thinks as well.
I can see a trade back with Chicago to 20, draft Ojulari and get a 2021 2nd round and 4th round pick. Then use our early 2nd and 4th rounder to go get Rashad Bateman from MN in the back end of round 1, then we would still have a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick for day 2.
easier said than done to pull off. If the Giants view any one of about 6-8 guys on the same level, a trade down makes sense. But who's going to trade up with us, for what player, and for what return in a trade?
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
whether its a QB or a team trying to jump the eagles to get the WR
I think the giants phone will be ringing. The question is if they are set on taking an edge guy they should move down. If Phillips was a clean healthy prospect he would 100% be the guy but he isn't so he kinda lumps in with the rest of the guys which you can get farther down the draft.
Pick up some extra draft capital and move down if someone is willing to pay top dollar to move up.
easier said than done to pull off. If the Giants view any one of about 6-8 guys on the same level, a trade down makes sense. But who's going to trade up with us, for what player, and for what return in a trade?
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
I think a team would try and jump the eagles for a WR.
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
I think this is called building a foundation. Teams are aware of patterns as much as media and fans are. They can see DG has no trade-down history and reused to do so in situations where it made some sense in the past.
I think this is part of the effort to convince other teams that the Giants are serious about trading down where they have not been in the past.
Also remember that several teams above the Giants are considering trading out. While we have a decent idea where teams currently above the Giants may go, if there are trades, that scrambles the board and may result in players the Giants were hoping to target at 11 not being there. As a result, the Giants need to have a realistic and not last-minute plan to move back as needed.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
to just outside the top 10 will cost significantly less to many teams as well, instead of moving inside it. There will certainly be many really excellent players available that a team will be willing to move up for at our spot. I love it.
Just because we aren't privy to internal discussion within the war room or conversations between GMs, we assume Gettleman doesn't trade down. We haven't got a clue how the Giants have players stacked or what previous offers were made in other drafts (if any).
Of course they're considering trading out of the pick. They've also considering moving up, I'm sure. And staying put. They're probably running all types of role plays for all situations. That's what they're supposed to do to preapre.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
If 5 teams go QB and Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Sewell, and Chase are off the board, we won't see much of a trade down market.
to just outside the top 10 will cost significantly less to many teams as well, instead of moving inside it. There will certainly be many really excellent players available that a team will be willing to move up for at our spot. I love it.
With the new CBA, that's an arbitrary distinction.
This is likely linked from the Giants front office
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
jvm52106 noted, trading down is most likely if one of the QBs is still available. But even if none are, someone might still want to move up for a non QB.
Several points:
(1) DG has never traded down, but would have done so last year if McKinney wasn't on the board.
(2) Judge is probably more open to trading down, and DG is likely following his lead on a lot of player personnel issues.
(3) DG has used trades to get other draft picks (JPP, OBJ).
(4) They likely have most of the EDGE players rated similarly, and can still get one with a small trade down.
What would be interesting is if they trade down even if Smith is available. That seems likely. Just a few more days until we know.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
You guys kill me with this cloak and dagger shit. [/quote]
That's kind of how the relationships between front offices and journalists work. Information is currency. I'm sure the Giants got an insider nugget on what other teams are doing for Rap so he could post this information. Giving this information to Rap so other teams call you makes a lot more sense than calling 31 other teams.
rumor is too direct. Not buying it. Feels more like a trying to throw a team off the scent than anything else. Make Philly think Giants are targeting Edge and looking to trade back so they don't get aggressive and jump us for the the WR we actually want.
Is there they don't expect they scrap the idea, but if you prepare yourself for a trade back then you are not just reactive. Sounds to me they finally got someone in the building that has a brain.
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
In comment 15226853 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 15226847 Sean said: /////// Quote: but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.//////
That's what it sounds like to me. /////
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
Classic case of BBI group think. It's what a lot of us want them to do, so when someone surfaces it, 'it just sounds right'. (: Pray for a willing trade partner at the right spot down.
If Smith and Waddle are gone trading down makes a ton of sense.
Taking Ojulari or Paye at 11 seems like a reach but if you can trade down 4 or 5 spots and get them along with additional draft capital it is more tolerable.
That being said I hope Smith or Waddle is there at 11.
they have a player or 2 who they will select at 11, and if they are not there, will have a deal in place to move back. I fully expect this is what is going on.
Stay at 11 and take Waddle or Smith tired of Canadian league level
Would the Pats be trading down like they have if they didn't have 20 years of solidified QB play? Now that they don't word is they may trade up, so is Belichick now stupid if he does?
RE: If Slater, Sewell & Smith are all gone by 11 (which is likely)
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The #Giants are slated to pick No. 11 in the NFL Draft, and trading back is already something they are internally considering, I’m told. That spot will have real value. … How rare would a trade down be? GM Dave Gettleman has never traded down in the 1st round in 8 drafts as a GM
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
I hope this is the case.
I hope this is the case.
That's what it sounds like to me.
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but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.
That's what it sounds like to me.
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
Pitts, Sewell and Chase likely gone as well.
So one of D Smith, Waddle, Parsons, Surtain, Slater, Paye, Horn and Vera-Tucker will be available at 15.
If I can one of the 8 above AND get at least another 2021 2nd rounder (and maybe more), I'm all in.
This is the Giants letting other teams know that #11 is available for the right price. The NFL "insiders" don't just find information on the sidewalk, particularly at this time of year teams use them to get the word out.
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but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.
That's what it sounds like to me.
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
I hope this is the case.
This and maybe they feel if they trade back and get their guy they can justify the trade back by picking up extra picks, maybe even trading back into the late 1st round to get another targeted player.
I do feel teams fall in love with certain players and try to determine what the league thinks as well.
I can see a trade back with Chicago to 20, draft Ojulari and get a 2021 2nd round and 4th round pick. Then use our early 2nd and 4th rounder to go get Rashad Bateman from MN in the back end of round 1, then we would still have a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick for day 2.
That is how you build a roster and get your guy.
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
Pick up some extra draft capital and move down if someone is willing to pay top dollar to move up.
If the QBs are all gone, maybe someone trades up for Smith or Waddle? Or one of the OL?
Getting a 2nd in return would be a good score, especially in a deep WR draft, can we get a 2?
I think a team would try and jump the eagles for a WR.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
I think this is called building a foundation. Teams are aware of patterns as much as media and fans are. They can see DG has no trade-down history and reused to do so in situations where it made some sense in the past.
I think this is part of the effort to convince other teams that the Giants are serious about trading down where they have not been in the past.
Also remember that several teams above the Giants are considering trading out. While we have a decent idea where teams currently above the Giants may go, if there are trades, that scrambles the board and may result in players the Giants were hoping to target at 11 not being there. As a result, the Giants need to have a realistic and not last-minute plan to move back as needed.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Of course they're considering trading out of the pick. They've also considering moving up, I'm sure. And staying put. They're probably running all types of role plays for all situations. That's what they're supposed to do to preapre.
For example, if Detroit, Atlanta and Dallas trade down, there is a possibility that not only will 4 or 5 QBs go before the Giants, bit a large number or receivers (Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Chase) could all be gone. At that point, value may not match need and a move down may be in order.
If 5 teams go QB and Pitts, Smith, Waddle, Sewell, and Chase are off the board, we won't see much of a trade down market.
With the new CBA, that's an arbitrary distinction.
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
LOL
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In comment 15226846 The Dude said:
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
You guys kill me with this cloak and dagger shit.
and now Gettleman...
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Giants using Rap to let the league know they're open for business would be my guess.
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In comment 15226846 The Dude said:
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what he hears and doesn't (normally) throw shit at the wall.
Whats the angle here? Just enough smoke for him to report it?
Rap is legit and this certainly is coming from somewhere. I think it makes a ton of sense this year unless Pitts, Smith, or somehow Sewell drops.
Given DG's reputation as a guy who literally won't even listen to offers to trade down, it's possible that other GMs wouldn't bother wasting their time calling him about it.
At bare minimum, this gets the word out.
He literally won't even listen to offers?
You, along with so many others, have completely taken the word "literally" and ruined it. It used to be a great word. Now it's used incorrectly time and time again.
He did listen to offers. He didn't accept any. There's a difference.
Several points:
(1) DG has never traded down, but would have done so last year if McKinney wasn't on the board.
(2) Judge is probably more open to trading down, and DG is likely following his lead on a lot of player personnel issues.
(3) DG has used trades to get other draft picks (JPP, OBJ).
(4) They likely have most of the EDGE players rated similarly, and can still get one with a small trade down.
What would be interesting is if they trade down even if Smith is available. That seems likely. Just a few more days until we know.
I'd take the Bears #20, their 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. See if they bite.
You believe Gettleman needed to plant a story with a beat writer to let other teams know he's open to trading back? You don't GMs have been talking to each other for months already?
You guys kill me with this cloak and dagger shit. [/quote]
That's kind of how the relationships between front offices and journalists work. Information is currency. I'm sure the Giants got an insider nugget on what other teams are doing for Rap so he could post this information. Giving this information to Rap so other teams call you makes a lot more sense than calling 31 other teams.
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#20, #42, #52 and CHI's 1st next year
I think the guessing at Edge is correct with a trade back. Then get Leatherwood or one of the good OL and either another ER or WR(more likely).
Build through the draft...
Doing the draft sims.....I trade down for an edge....end up drafting Bateman and then trade back into 1st RD for an Edge.... preferably the GA kid.....🤣
I'd take the Bears #20, their 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. See if they bite.
In my scenario, a highly coveted QB would still be on the board, which would cause a bidding war between a couple of teams looking to trade up.
Really, the Bears at #20 would be a sweet spot between not dropping to far and still getting a haul in return.
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In comment 15226847 Sean said: /////// Quote: but realize they can drop down a few spots while adding to their low number of picks.
I hope this is the case.//////
That's what it sounds like to me. /////
Agreed. Great, this is what smart teams do.
That being said I hope Smith or Waddle is there at 11.
Trade down, pick the Edge target, and then see what's up as #42 approaches.
Would the Pats be trading down like they have if they didn't have 20 years of solidified QB play? Now that they don't word is they may trade up, so is Belichick now stupid if he does?
I think Slater or Smith will be there.