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Asshat rumor regarding Evan Engram and Kyle Pitts

NYG27 : 4/20/2021 1:30 pm
I have a good college buddy of mine whose got into NFL scouting and in the past I posted information of his when he worked on Jeff Fisher's staff on the Rams.

Now that's out of the way, my buddy now does scouting for an AFC team. He mentioned the Giants have reached out on several fronts, some have been in concerns to a trade down from #11. In addition, they have also talked about a possible Evan Engram trade if the Giants draft Kyle Pitts. He stated they're discussing terms but looking like Engram would go for a 2022 conditional draft pick that would be a 3rd or 4th round pick based on performance.

Part that I found interesting....I told him I didn't think Pitts would fall to the Giants pick at 11 but he said from what he's hearing from his team, they're expecting the Giants to move up.

Take all this with a grain of salt, just wanted to share what I heard this afternoon from my buddy.

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Love these types of nuggets  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/20/2021 3:12 pm : link
Thanks a lot for posting. I hate the idea of them moving up - they should be moving down if anything. I really hope they don’t view this OL as a finished product
IMV...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/20/2021 3:18 pm : link
...they're basically telling the league that the NYGiants are open for business.

That said, the Giants aren't moving up in the 1st AND moving from the 2nd to the 1st without giving up AT LEAST 2 1st RD selections.

Engram or no, I don't see this happening.

Even if Buffalo would drop 12 spots for Engram alone, how do the Giants move up for Pitts and retain #42?
Teams  
Sammo85 : 4/20/2021 3:18 pm : link
talk to every other team and get intel and lay out hypothetical scenarios/value plays to be revisited during draft.

This may be smoke  
JohnF : 4/20/2021 3:24 pm : link
in order to get Dallas (who has more draft picks than we do) to jump to the #4 to get Pitts. Jerry already has make it public he'd love to have Pitts on the Cowboys.

If Dallas does that, it may increase the odds of Smith (or one of the Defensive players) getting to #11.
I'm sorry but this is  
totowa_gman : 4/20/2021 3:36 pm : link
a TE, albeit he is an amazing pass catcher, he is a TE. I'm not moving up that hard unless it's for a QB. Imo.
The guy who does the RAS score analysis was on a podcast I listen to  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/20/2021 3:47 pm : link
Pitts was in the 98th or 99th percentile of all TEs ever in terms of those numbers. The host asked him if he ever calculated him as a WR. He said he was in the 94th or 95th percentile if you evaluated him as a WR.

The guy is a freak. It's why he is being considered as potentially the top non-QB in the draft.
RE: Pitts or not, I still think  
DavidinBMNY : 4/20/2021 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15227072 SirYesSir said:
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Engram is worth more to us than a future 3rd or 4th rounder. I don't want to move him
i'd take a 4 and a conditional pick next year based on performance from 5 all the way to 3 .
I would think its only a real possibility if he falls to 7,8,9,  
Rudy5757 : 4/20/2021 3:53 pm : link
no way we trade up into the top 5 to get him. We have too many needs and Pitts is more of a wamt pick. I just dont think we will trade up that high. While he looks like a great talent, for some reason non traditional TEs do not work out for the Giants. I dont see him as a good TE, he is a better version of Engram and whatever position we want to call him. I wouldnt want to trade up to get him.

I appreciate the info. I do believe that we have an interest in Pitts I just dont believe we have the ability to get him.
In 2002 The Giants moved up from 15 to 14 to select Shockey  
Rjanyg : 4/20/2021 3:58 pm : link
gave up a 3rd round pick to do so. Was he worth that draft capital?
RE: In 2002 The Giants moved up from 15 to 14 to select Shockey  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/20/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15227245 Rjanyg said:
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gave up a 3rd round pick to do so. Was he worth that draft capital?


They traded their 4th rounder.
I'm still hoping for a trade down  
.McL. : 4/20/2021 4:26 pm : link
The second round is stacked!
RE: I wonder if they can simultanerously move up and down  
BMac : 4/20/2021 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15227021 Bill L said:
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Maybe it'll be a lateral move.
RE: Falcons love Pitts  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/20/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:
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just saying...

They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.

Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.
I wouldn't trade up for Pitts, but  
Bill in UT : 4/20/2021 4:44 pm : link
I think these moves are more likely to happen during the draft, when selections start shaking out, than in advance
Trust the Judge  
csh2z : 4/20/2021 5:08 pm : link
Whether it's Pitts or whoever in the first, I trust the front office on this one. Pitts could make our offense unstoppable in the red zone, IF we can get there!
RE: RE: Falcons love Pitts  
Jimmy Googs : 4/20/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15227295 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:


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just saying...


They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.

Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.


Not sure what pick makes them a contender without a defensive blue-chip on the board. Idea in ATL is they will be shedding Julio soon. And dynamic TE will make up for him and add some balance to offense. A nice TE also helps a young QB if they shed Ryan after this year.

The Giants are not moving up from #11  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/20/2021 5:10 pm : link
in this draft
So, the Giants move up to Draft Pitts  
M.S. : 4/20/2021 5:36 pm : link

And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.

Yep.
RE: So, the Giants move up to Draft Pitts  
Angel Eyes : 4/20/2021 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15227350 M.S. said:
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And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.

Yep.

My jaw would probably drop.
So much blue sky thinking about what EE might fetch  
ColHowPepper : 4/20/2021 5:40 pm : link
so many different iterations, e.g.
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It would be if Pitts were to slide a little and just to get over Dallas. The compensation with what they would get in return for Engram and the comp needed move up 2 spots would probably be around the same
I don't think this is remotely the case. Cap't Don gave some history on moving ~4-5 spots from 15 or from 12, in one case giving up two 2s, the other, a 2 and a three. At best I think we might get a 4 or a low 3, at best.
Giants can't trade up  
ghost718 : 4/20/2021 5:50 pm : link
That would give Howie,Jerry,and Danny the Pitts.
RE: The potential Pitts destinations are ATL, CIN, MIA  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2021 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15227056 Eric on Li said:
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Atlanta could (should) pass on him for a QB or Sewell.
Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase.
Miami could take Sewell or Chase also.

Dallas is reportedly enamored with him as well. I really hope that he doesn’t end up in Dallas unless Jerry does something stupid like offering Schultz and three 1st round picks in order to move up.
I love asshats like the rest  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/20/2021 6:44 pm : link
but not following how we get Pitts and trade EE for the Bills #1
has anyone actually  
ryanmkeane : 4/20/2021 6:55 pm : link
literally thrown their remote during the draft? Last time I was legit pissed off at a pick was JPP, but I was at a bar so couldn't toss a remote. Looks like NYG were right about that pick. I was pretty disappointed with Apple and Pugh pick as well
RE: So, the Giants move up to Draft Pitts  
Milton : 4/20/2021 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15227350 M.S. said:
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And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.

Yep.
They aren't one player away from the Super Bowl. They could win the Super Bowl with the roster as it is right now even without the addition of a single draft pick. But injuries are unpredictable, so Kyle Pitts would help!
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2021 7:21 pm : link
No chance Pitts drops to 11, absent he does something UFB stupid like off the field between now & the 29th.
RE: RE: RE: Falcons love Pitts  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/20/2021 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15227330 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15227295 LauderdaleMatty said:


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In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:


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just saying...


They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.

Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.



Not sure what pick makes them a contender without a defensive blue-chip on the board. Idea in ATL is they will be shedding Julio soon. And dynamic TE will make up for him and add some balance to offense. A nice TE also helps a young QB if they shed Ryan after this year.


I think they really need a QB amd need to rebuild tbh. Pitts very well be the BPA so I'd suggest a trade down bit may not get an reasonable offer so they are kind of stuck. I wonder if they can move on from Ryan after this year. Never thought he was elite but he's always been a media darling IMO.

Also think Miami very well could would snap up Pitts before Chase so if ALT trades down they might regret it. Tough spot
So does the asshat information...  
D HOS : 4/20/2021 8:07 pm : link
...distill down into:

If Pitts is "falling" and reaches reasonable trade-up range, they make that move. However if a trade-up is not reasonable or he is picked, then they stay at 11 where they would immediately take any of Pitts, Waddle, Sewell (and I assume Surtain, maybe Chase? though I don't think we have any insider comment on that). If none of those guys are available, then they trade back to 15 and take whomever is left out of Slater, Vera Tucker, Ojulari, Paye, (again no insider comment) or one of the top CB.

Parsons is both on and off their board and they pray he's one before 11.

I think that accounts for all the rumors I have read. What did I miss? I'm being semi-facetious, but really, we can go BPA so that is not an illegitimate strategy.
RE: RE: I'll throw my remote  
PatersonPlank : 4/20/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15227152 Victor in CT said:
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if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending.

Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please.



I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that.


I agree #3, totally. That would be a disaster
Pitts will be gone  
bc4life : 4/20/2021 8:35 pm : link
by 7,8 at the latest
The teams two biggest needs over the last  
Beer Man : 4/21/2021 5:57 am : link
several seasons have been the OL and Edge. The draft capital that they would have to give up to move on Pitts would mean we will go yet another year of not adequately addressing at least one (may be both) again.
RE: RE: RE: I'll throw my remote  
Beer Man : 4/21/2021 6:01 am : link
In comment 15227522 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15227152 Victor in CT said:


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In comment 15227126 NoPeanutz said:


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if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending.

Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please.



I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that.



I agree #3, totally. That would be a disaster
+1
A 3rd for Engram  
Beer Man : 4/21/2021 6:02 am : link
may be a hard sell given that he is in his contract year
Interesting draft strategy  
stoneman : 4/21/2021 7:32 am : link
Atl is reportedly taking offers for #4 (Den, more). In theory, if you are trading in from say the 7-15 range, then it would be worth your 1st and 2nd rounders (not much more). Atl is holding out for a 2022 1st rounder.

To make this trade, would you swap the 2021 2nd rounder (42) with your 2022 1st rounder to move to #4 (Pitts/Chase). If you made the playoffs, it would be well worth it. Even picking in the 15+ next year would be worth it as you get 1 year of your 2021 2nd rounder (42). Hmmmm - 9 more days
RE: A 3rd for Engram  
ZogZerg : 4/21/2021 7:45 am : link
In comment 15227763 Beer Man said:
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may be a hard sell given that he is in his contract year


Agree that a 3rd would be tough. I think a 4th is all the Giants may get. If that's the case, then it may not be worth trading him unless they need the money. The Giants will not be big players in the FA market next year, so Engram leaving via FA will most likely get them a comp pick.
I think that people are too down on ENgram (and I know his history)  
Bill L : 4/21/2021 7:50 am : link
The defense still has to account for him and he is still going to make catches (and drop passes). Even if half-loaded, he is still a weapon.
I don't think posters are too down on Engram...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2021 8:31 am : link
i think Engram needs to stop giving everybody valid reasons to be down on him.

But maybe a draft day trade will put an end to it anyway.
No need for TE if Smith/Waddle available  
Bruner4329 : 4/21/2021 10:19 am : link
Listen if we draft either Smith or Waddle to go along with Golladay, this opens up the passing game tremendously. Even with EE, Rudolph and Smith our TEs can have a huge impact. No way they can be covered the whole game. A guy like EE can cause havoc if he can just catch the ball.
RE: has anyone actually  
Thegratefulhead : 4/21/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15227407 ryanmkeane said:
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literally thrown their remote during the draft? Last time I was legit pissed off at a pick was JPP, but I was at a bar so couldn't toss a remote. Looks like NYG were right about that pick. I was pretty disappointed with Apple and Pugh pick as well
Daniel Jones. I admit it was wrong now. When Allen was there, I thought it was a gift to us by the draft gods that we never seem to get.

I threw it, I really did.
I posted this on another thread....  
Britt in VA : 4/21/2021 11:00 am : link
but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.
RE: I posted this on another thread....  
Thegratefulhead : 4/21/2021 11:06 am : link
In comment 15228057 Britt in VA said:
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but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.
Teams don't view him as just a TE. They are drafting because of the pressure he puts on a defense. We talk about force multipliers here. Pitts is one because the defense to account for him with more than one man.
RE: I posted this on another thread....  
chick310 : 4/21/2021 11:11 am : link
In comment 15228057 Britt in VA said:
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but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.


Not following comment on positional value and TEs. Would you expect them to go often in the Top 5?
RE: RE: I posted this on another thread....  
Britt in VA : 4/21/2021 11:31 am : link
In comment 15228078 chick310 said:
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In comment 15228057 Britt in VA said:


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but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.



Not following comment on positional value and TEs. Would you expect them to go often in the Top 5?


No, I'm talking about a lot of the talking points over the past three years discussing who is and isn't worthy of a top 5 pick.

For instance, the criticism of the Barkley as the 2nd overall pick because using positional value you should never take a running back that high (despite the fact that the RB position is taken in the top 5 a lot more than other positions, 28 time since 1980 in fact).

Guards are another position that are not considered worthy of a top 5 pick.

I'm saying, add TE's to that list. They just don't historically go in the top 5.
“Pitts is more than just a TE”  
Sean : 4/21/2021 11:34 am : link
Well, that should also apply to Barkley when discussing his position.
RE: “Pitts is more than just a TE”  
Britt in VA : 4/21/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15228113 Sean said:
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Well, that should also apply to Barkley when discussing his position.


+1
RE: “Pitts is more than just a TE”  
Big Blue '56 : 4/21/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15228113 Sean said:
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Well, that should also apply to Barkley when discussing his position.


+2
Barkley?  
Thegratefulhead : 4/21/2021 12:45 pm : link
You people want to have the same damn fight again? Why? We haven't done it enough yet? Trolls not interested in conversation. The want to fight with the same people over the same thing over and over and over.
What is ridiculous  
mpinmaine : 4/21/2021 10:39 pm : link
is so many posters stating things as fact. None of us know what the Giants will do.

unreal some of you guys...
RE: my sons best friend has been working for NFL teams for almost 20 years  
gameday555 : 4/21/2021 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15227101 dd in Mass said:
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Every once in a while, I get some info. But you never really know if teams are just sending up smoke signals.

Anyway, back a couple of months ago. My son was visiting me in FL. They were on the phone and he said that the Giants have actively shopped Engram to see if there was any interest and what could they get for him.

Supposedly a New York team, so that's either the Jets or the Bills and the Chargers were offering a 4th or 5th. But the Giants felt he was worth more than that.

Could be one of the reason that Judge has been so complimentary of EE to pump up his value.


From what I heard, the giants were interested in acquiring Mike Williams partially in exchange for Engram. Chargers mulled it but declined. You've got good intel I can see :)
Yes, trade for Pitts!!!  
unemployedgm : 4/25/2021 1:34 am : link
Listing to Gettlemen press conference, and I think this actual possibility, and yes we are super star away on offense from competing in NFC. Surrouding Jones with two physical dominating receivers would take his game to a level we couldn't imagine. Brady has Evans and Gronk, Mahomes has Hill and Kelce, Payton had Reggie, and Marvin, and Eli had Nicks and Cruz. Danny needs Kenny and Kyle. When you get a player like Barkley,Julio, Chase Young, Von Miller, or Jalan Ramsey you and all you have to do is give up draft future capital, or 2nd rd pick, I think you do. Those players add wins. Pitts would make us a superbowl contender!!
Here's facts:
1) Gettlemen in love with Pitts, he was the only player in press that he talked about. Sound the same way he talked about Jones.
2) Gettlemen built Carolina the same way with Benjamin, and Funchess. I.e Golladay and Pitts.
3) Mara talked about how the NFL is becoming a passing league, Pitts, Shap, Slayton,and Golladay would give a top receiving core.
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