I have a good college buddy of mine whose got into NFL scouting and in the past I posted information of his when he worked on Jeff Fisher's staff on the Rams.
Now that's out of the way, my buddy now does scouting for an AFC team. He mentioned the Giants have reached out on several fronts, some have been in concerns to a trade down from #11. In addition, they have also talked about a possible Evan Engram trade if the Giants draft Kyle Pitts. He stated they're discussing terms but looking like Engram would go for a 2022 conditional draft pick that would be a 3rd or 4th round pick based on performance.
Part that I found interesting....I told him I didn't think Pitts would fall to the Giants pick at 11 but he said from what he's hearing from his team, they're expecting the Giants to move up.
Take all this with a grain of salt, just wanted to share what I heard this afternoon from my buddy.
That said, the Giants aren't moving up in the 1st AND moving from the 2nd to the 1st without giving up AT LEAST 2 1st RD selections.
Engram or no, I don't see this happening.
Even if Buffalo would drop 12 spots for Engram alone, how do the Giants move up for Pitts and retain #42?
If Dallas does that, it may increase the odds of Smith (or one of the Defensive players) getting to #11.
The guy is a freak. It's why he is being considered as potentially the top non-QB in the draft.
I appreciate the info. I do believe that we have an interest in Pitts I just dont believe we have the ability to get him.
They traded their 4th rounder.
Maybe it'll be a lateral move.
They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.
Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.
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They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.
Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.
Not sure what pick makes them a contender without a defensive blue-chip on the board. Idea in ATL is they will be shedding Julio soon. And dynamic TE will make up for him and add some balance to offense. A nice TE also helps a young QB if they shed Ryan after this year.
And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.
Yep.
And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.
Yep.
My jaw would probably drop.
Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase.
Miami could take Sewell or Chase also.
Dallas is reportedly enamored with him as well. I really hope that he doesn’t end up in Dallas unless Jerry does something stupid like offering Schultz and three 1st round picks in order to move up.
And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.
Yep.
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In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:
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just saying...
They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.
Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.
Not sure what pick makes them a contender without a defensive blue-chip on the board. Idea in ATL is they will be shedding Julio soon. And dynamic TE will make up for him and add some balance to offense. A nice TE also helps a young QB if they shed Ryan after this year.
I think they really need a QB amd need to rebuild tbh. Pitts very well be the BPA so I'd suggest a trade down bit may not get an reasonable offer so they are kind of stuck. I wonder if they can move on from Ryan after this year. Never thought he was elite but he's always been a media darling IMO.
Also think Miami very well could would snap up Pitts before Chase so if ALT trades down they might regret it. Tough spot
If Pitts is "falling" and reaches reasonable trade-up range, they make that move. However if a trade-up is not reasonable or he is picked, then they stay at 11 where they would immediately take any of Pitts, Waddle, Sewell (and I assume Surtain, maybe Chase? though I don't think we have any insider comment on that). If none of those guys are available, then they trade back to 15 and take whomever is left out of Slater, Vera Tucker, Ojulari, Paye, (again no insider comment) or one of the top CB.
Parsons is both on and off their board and they pray he's one before 11.
I think that accounts for all the rumors I have read. What did I miss? I'm being semi-facetious, but really, we can go BPA so that is not an illegitimate strategy.
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if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending.
Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please.
I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that.
I agree #3, totally. That would be a disaster
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if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending.
Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please.
I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that.
I agree #3, totally. That would be a disaster
To make this trade, would you swap the 2021 2nd rounder (42) with your 2022 1st rounder to move to #4 (Pitts/Chase). If you made the playoffs, it would be well worth it. Even picking in the 15+ next year would be worth it as you get 1 year of your 2021 2nd rounder (42). Hmmmm - 9 more days
Agree that a 3rd would be tough. I think a 4th is all the Giants may get. If that's the case, then it may not be worth trading him unless they need the money. The Giants will not be big players in the FA market next year, so Engram leaving via FA will most likely get them a comp pick.
But maybe a draft day trade will put an end to it anyway.
I threw it, I really did.
Not following comment on positional value and TEs. Would you expect them to go often in the Top 5?
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but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.
Not following comment on positional value and TEs. Would you expect them to go often in the Top 5?
No, I'm talking about a lot of the talking points over the past three years discussing who is and isn't worthy of a top 5 pick.
For instance, the criticism of the Barkley as the 2nd overall pick because using positional value you should never take a running back that high (despite the fact that the RB position is taken in the top 5 a lot more than other positions, 28 time since 1980 in fact).
Guards are another position that are not considered worthy of a top 5 pick.
I'm saying, add TE's to that list. They just don't historically go in the top 5.
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unreal some of you guys...
Anyway, back a couple of months ago. My son was visiting me in FL. They were on the phone and he said that the Giants have actively shopped Engram to see if there was any interest and what could they get for him.
Supposedly a New York team, so that's either the Jets or the Bills and the Chargers were offering a 4th or 5th. But the Giants felt he was worth more than that.
Could be one of the reason that Judge has been so complimentary of EE to pump up his value.
From what I heard, the giants were interested in acquiring Mike Williams partially in exchange for Engram. Chargers mulled it but declined. You've got good intel I can see :)
Here's facts:
1) Gettlemen in love with Pitts, he was the only player in press that he talked about. Sound the same way he talked about Jones.
2) Gettlemen built Carolina the same way with Benjamin, and Funchess. I.e Golladay and Pitts.
3) Mara talked about how the NFL is becoming a passing league, Pitts, Shap, Slayton,and Golladay would give a top receiving core.