Asshat rumor regarding Evan Engram and Kyle Pitts

I’ve usually been trading him in exchange for a third round pick in my scenarios.

Giants don't trade up

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I think it was Rico who mentioned that if the Giants get Pitts, they are working on a trade to send Engram to the Bills as part of a package to get the Bills 1st rounder.

targeting in a trade up would be Pitts. Judge is coming from the BB school and he understands how important it is to win middle of the field. He's an unreal talent who is only falling because of the QBs and his "position". Of course this news needs to be taken with grain of salt, but I certainly buy it.

But otherwise, I would want Pitts *and* Engram. Otherwise, I feel like we're just wasting a high pick by churning players.

with the Buffalo pick, that'd be a hell of a thing.

I'd still guess it's more likely they trade back then up but who knows. Love draft season.

In comment 15227021 Bill L said:

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They can simultaneously explore both options.

One, sounds like if they move up it would be a small trade up for like their third round pick and then get that back from an Engram trade so maybe someone around 8 or 9 to get ahead of Dallas.

Two, conditional means future pick so would this just be a 4th that can turn into a 3rd or would it be a pick this year and a pick next year like lets say a 5th and conditional 4th?

I don’t see him getting by Atlanta though.

for Evan Engram? He is on his 5th year option and FA next year. Pitts is a unicorn, but any team that needs a TE that can't catch can just draft one in the 2nd round or 3rd round.

If we moved up for one of those two I would be ecstatic. When you can draft a player that is potentially a generational type or possibly a Hall of Fame type of talent you go after them especially if the price is going to include a bust like Engram. It's a risk giving up a lot for one player, but those are the two that I feel could be worth it, and that includes these QBs as I have been happy about Jones this whole time ever since I first watched his college tape two years ago.

and BB. It is also about defending the middle which is why Parson's probably is a big interest if they feel he has smarts to handle the role as a ILB. No doubt he has the physical tools.

In comment 15227026 Bill L said:

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But otherwise, I would want Pitts *and* Engram. Otherwise, I feel like we're just wasting a high pick by churning players.

You wnat two TE's who don't block... WOW

Pitts might be first non QB now

In comment 15227034 kdog77 said:

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for Evan Engram? He is on his 5th year option and FA next year. Pitts is a unicorn, but any team that needs a TE that can't catch can just draft one in the 2nd round or 3rd round.

42 and Engram for bottom of First might do it.

In comment 15227034 kdog77 said:

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for Evan Engram? He is on his 5th year option and FA next year. Pitts is a unicorn, but any team that needs a TE that can't catch can just draft one in the 2nd round or 3rd round.

my guess they would use 42 and EE to move up.

In comment 15227022 Matt in SGS said:

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I think it was Rico who mentioned that if the Giants get Pitts, they are working on a trade to send Engram to the Bills as part of a package to get the Bills 1st rounder.

Wow wonder what it would take to get that done?

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5 or 6 - and this would be the part where if he slides past that, then the Gmen look at trading up.

If Pitts is gone then maybe that is where they look to trade down.

Again, as part of the PC today I pointed out that DG called Rudolph a PROFESSIONAL TE more than once. I don't think that should be taken lightly. His point was Rudolph knows where to be on the field, will make the tough and will make the running game better. I suspect EE is on his way out if the Giants get their way.

But I want Smith. Pitts would be cool too but if it happens, I'd want to get picks in this draft in a Engram trade/draft Pitts scenario, not next year.

Atlanta could (should) pass on him for a QB or Sewell.
Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase.
Miami could take Sewell or Chase also.

I don't think any of the teams 7-8-9 are good fits for a TE or WR, and could see any of them being willing to slide back a few spots. Or take Surtain/Parsons/Slater/QB if they have a high enough grade.

So all that is to say if the NYG are as high on Pitts as some others are (Brandt and Jeremiah each have him #2 overall and their top position player) I could see it making sense. Especially if Atlanta opts for a QB.

I'd also add that I can 100% understand NFL teams being hesitant to draft Pitts that high. Top 10 TEs rarely work out. As much as everyone wants to think Pitts is a complete freak he tested similarly to Njoku and Engram a few years ago, though he's a much more polished player than both.

In comment 15227020 bc4life said:

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Giants don't trade up

I’ll bet as well..

Thanks for the info

I think the likelihood of any of this happening is near zero.

just saying...

every time a rumor comes along saying the Giants might trade up. They have traded up numerous times over the years. Giants aren't shy in round 1, never really have been.

See a player that's better than everyone else? Do whatever it takes to draft that player. Simple. The teams that identify that kind of player and get that player are the ones that win. The teams that play it safe lose.

In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:

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Yea I don't see how NYG can even get into position for PItts. He would have to get to around pick 7-8 or so.

Can't wait for the draft already.

but this is a good example of the type of fluid talks ongoing that may or may not come to fruition. NYG probably has a number of parallel convos ongoing, and it's possible none amount to something.

In comment 15227063 djm said:

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every time a rumor comes along saying the Giants might trade up. They have traded up numerous times over the years. Giants aren't shy in round 1, never really have been. See a player that's better than everyone else? Do whatever it takes to draft that player. Simple. The teams that identify that kind of player and get that player are the ones that win. The teams that play it safe lose.

Unless you're trading up to get Ricky Williams. Nobody won that trade-up.

Engram is worth more to us than a future 3rd or 4th rounder. I don't want to move him

and without Engram..........

I am not going to sleep! I am going to dance in the streets, wake up my neighbors, get an early breakfast with Mimosas and spend the next day with a big smile on my face.

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likely won't get past five or six. The cost to move up that high would be astronomical, especially since Pitts is considered a "unicorn" TE. But given his lack of blocking prowess, I would only even consider that kind of move for Sewell, especially since we have so few picks and a ton of needs.

I'm fine trading Engram, whether to move back up into the bottom of the first round for an EDGE that falls, or a conditional third or fourth round pick next year.

If Pitts is indeed the target, you will have to get to Atl #4. You have to jump Mia. It would cost our 2nd and 4th (or EE) to get to Atl #4.

Is Pitts that generational receiver that puts you over the top - I doubt it. You basically come out of the draft with Pitts/Oline instead of Edge/lesser WR/Oline. Hmmm

Gotta love Draft SZN!

If he gets past ATL it means they took a QB. Then I see the following as reasonable:

Cinci: Pewell, dont overthink it. Protect your #1
Miami: Could take him but it means passing on Chase
Detroit: Could take him to team up with Hockenson - I think this is where we look to trade.

The two most similar trades came in 2018 and both involved a QB and I do think the QB tax is real when talking about 1st round trades.

2018
The Bills moved up from 12 to 7 to take Josh Allen. They gave up 53 and 56 and received 255.

The Cardinals moved up from 15 to 10 to take Josh Rosen. They gave up 79 and 152.

Both of those involve moving up 5 spots and we would only be moving up 3. They also both involve a QB.

we would move up 4 spots to 7.

In comment 15227064 djm said:

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In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: just saying... Yea I don't see how NYG can even get into position for PItts. He would have to get to around pick 7-8 or so. Can't wait for the draft already.

Yep, they don't need to go chasing things they covet in Rd 1 and waste extra picks (yet again).

#11 spot is not a bad place to be with a damn good chance to grab a really good player at numerous positions.

Shiny toys like Pitts will come into the draft every year. Spend more time finding the TE that has less shine but can reliably block and catch in a later round...

In comment 15227081 stoneman said:

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If Pitts is indeed the target, you will have to get to Atl #4. You have to jump Mia. It would cost our 2nd and 4th (or EE) to get to Atl #4. Is Pitts that generational receiver that puts you over the top - I doubt it. You basically come out of the draft with Pitts/Oline instead of Edge/lesser WR/Oline. Hmmm

If they had something in place for EE (Buf), even somewhere near a 4th rounder, then it would only cost you the second to move up to get your guy. Not that a 2nd is nothing, but bearable.

In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:

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just saying...

They could be posturing

spackling kits and a new TV if the Giants move UP to get Pitts.

Giants aren't trading that high for him.

It's good to hear that the Giants are covering various scenarios.

They have Kaden Smith who is a very reliable blocking TE and he catches 85% of balls his way. I just don’t get why they just don’t use him more in the passing game.

but I think the Giants will not trade up. It will cost far too much to get into Pitts range as I think he will go before #6, probably #4 and the Falcons will not trade that away.

Every once in a while, I get some info. But you never really know if teams are just sending up smoke signals.

Anyway, back a couple of months ago. My son was visiting me in FL. They were on the phone and he said that the Giants have actively shopped Engram to see if there was any interest and what could they get for him.

Supposedly a New York team, so that's either the Jets or the Bills and the Chargers were offering a 4th or 5th. But the Giants felt he was worth more than that.

Could be one of the reason that Judge has been so complimentary of EE to pump up his value.

In comment 15227056 Eric on Li said:

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Atlanta could (should) pass on him for a QB or Sewell. Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase. Miami could take Sewell or Chase also. I don't think any of the teams 7-8-9 are good fits for a TE or WR, and could see any of them being willing to slide back a few spots. Or take Surtain/Parsons/Slater/QB if they have a high enough grade. So all that is to say if the NYG are as high on Pitts as some others are (Brandt and Jeremiah each have him #2 overall and their top position player) I could see it making sense. Especially if Atlanta opts for a QB. I'd also add that I can 100% understand NFL teams being hesitant to draft Pitts that high. Top 10 TEs rarely work out. As much as everyone wants to think Pitts is a complete freak he tested similarly to Njoku and Engram a few years ago, though he's a much more polished player than both.

Comparing Njoku or Engram to Pitts is like comparing Pitts to Megatron or Plaxico. Pitts is not going to run a 4.3 or create separation on the outside against corners but he can outmuscle them; he can beat LBs & Safeties all day but it depends how he's used. He is just a weapon as a receiving threat and a red zone nightmare for opposing defensive coordinators. You can't rely on receiving TEs to block inline consistently. This is why Engram is completely useless if he's dropping passes left & right while coughing the ball up to boot.

In comment 15227032 robbieballs2003 said:

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One, sounds like if they move up it would be a small trade up for like their third round pick and then get that back from an Engram trade so maybe someone around 8 or 9 to get ahead of Dallas.

That was my thinking too. It would be if Pitts were to slide a little and just to get over Dallas. The compensation with what they would get in return for Engram and the comp needed move up 2 spots would probably be around the same, so they could see it as a wash to most likely upgrade a position and not have to worry about the decision to extend Engram next year.

In comment 15227094 LeonBright45 said:

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In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: just saying... They could be posturing

Yes they could be. But not hearing they are going QB.

Have heard if they can get good value for the pick they are interested in moving down to add defensive need players but nobody has right mix of picks/spots for where they are looking in back half of Rd 1.

Sounds like its Pitts...

In comment 15227066 Angel Eyes said:

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In comment 15227063 djm said: Quote: every time a rumor comes along saying the Giants might trade up. They have traded up numerous times over the years. Giants aren't shy in round 1, never really have been. See a player that's better than everyone else? Do whatever it takes to draft that player. Simple. The teams that identify that kind of player and get that player are the ones that win. The teams that play it safe lose. Unless you're trading up to get Ricky Williams. Nobody won that trade-up.

there is that...but to be fair, the Skins didn't get as fat as everyone feared off that trade. And the Saints did eventually emerge as contenders not that long after the fallout from that trade had dissipated. Once the Saints got Brees they won consistently. Trading away all that capital didn't exactly sink them for that long.

In comment 15227106 LeonBright45 said:

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Comparing Njoku or Engram to Pitts is like comparing Pitts to Megatron or Plaxico. Pitts is not going to run a 4.3 or create separation on the outside against corners but he can outmuscle them; he can beat LBs & Safeties all day but it depends how he's used. He is just a weapon as a receiving threat and a red zone nightmare for opposing defensive coordinators. You can't rely on receiving TEs to block inline consistently. This is why Engram is completely useless if he's dropping passes left & right while coughing the ball up to boot.

Go ahead and compare him to Plax or Megatron (or Evans) too. They can all be compared to each other. They are all similarly athletic freaks at 240+ pounds. The point is that despite freakishness there's still a very wide range of outcomes. The latter 2 weren't first round picks because people didn't believe in them. I like Pitts a lot but it is harder to project hybrid TE/WR so I'd say he's a riskier pick than say someone like J'Marr Chase.

but man I hope this doesn't happen.

Trading up for a TE, it just doesn't make sense to me. And the fact he is not a good blocker, just can't do it. I don't think Darren Waller upside is worth trading up for here, he's not going to make this offense change.

I'm ok trading Engram with Rudolph here. But I would hate this move.

if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending.

Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please.

In comment 15227021 Bill L said:

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Haha! Now that would be DG's best move ever.

falls to Carolina, you make a call no?

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In comment 15227034 kdog77 said: Quote: for Evan Engram? my guess they would use 42 and EE to move up.

The Giants might need to offer 42 to move up from 11 into top 10 to get Pitts and you can't use the same pick twice.
If all we are offering the Bills is a 1 year rental on EE to move down from 12 spots, then ask yourself why would they do that?

In comment 15227072 SirYesSir said:

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Engram is worth more to us than a future 3rd or 4th rounder. I don't want to move him

Yup engram is for sure worth a couple losses every year.

take BPA or even trade down. Lets fucking go

Just that he is a tweener type player and that will make teams think twice. That and how others have discussed the mediocre success rate of 1st round TEs. No need to trade up

1 Jax - Lawrence
2 NYG - QB#2
3 SF - QB#3
4 Atl - QB#4 (someone drops who they love)
5 Cinn - Sewell or Chase
6 Mia - Chase or Sewell

So Pitts is sitting there at #7.

The trade value chart (I know it's not the end all, but it is a start) say #7 is worth 1500 points and #11 is worth 1250. The Giant 2nd round #42 is worth 480 pts, 3rd round #76 is worth 210 pts and 4th round #116 is worth 62 pts.

So on the surface, the Giants trade #11, #76 and #116 to Detroit for #7 is likely the minimum the Giants would have to give up. Seems pretty step when the following would be available and Giants would have a choice from at least two of the following:

QB5 (for a trade back)
Pitts
D Smith
Waddle
Slater
Surtain
Parsons

Unless they get enough for Engram (unlikely) so that the Giants still have a 3rd or 4th rounder.

In comment 15227126 NoPeanutz said:

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if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending. Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please.

I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that.

it would be Engram and the #11 for the trade up. But I don't think that would get it done.

Their athletic profiles are similar, sure. But Waller never amassed more than 500 yards receiving at GTech and was drafted in the 6th round. Then he missed a year and half due to suspensions. He's nowhere near the prospect that Pitts is.

And even if Pitts turns out to be Waller, I'd take it and be glad for it. He caught over a 100 passes and 9 TDs last season. Our entire receiving core of Slayton, Shep, Tate and Engram caught 9 TDs.

In comment 15227155 TC said:

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it would be Engram and the #11 for the trade up. But I don't think that would get it done.

Maybe to get to 9 but Denver doesn't need him. 8 to Carolina is more likely but I think the Giants would have to sweeten the pot a little more there.

Thanks a lot for posting. I hate the idea of them moving up - they should be moving down if anything. I really hope they don’t view this OL as a finished product

...they're basically telling the league that the NYGiants are open for business.

That said, the Giants aren't moving up in the 1st AND moving from the 2nd to the 1st without giving up AT LEAST 2 1st RD selections.

Engram or no, I don't see this happening.

Even if Buffalo would drop 12 spots for Engram alone, how do the Giants move up for Pitts and retain #42?

talk to every other team and get intel and lay out hypothetical scenarios/value plays to be revisited during draft.

in order to get Dallas (who has more draft picks than we do) to jump to the #4 to get Pitts. Jerry already has make it public he'd love to have Pitts on the Cowboys.

If Dallas does that, it may increase the odds of Smith (or one of the Defensive players) getting to #11.

a TE, albeit he is an amazing pass catcher, he is a TE. I'm not moving up that hard unless it's for a QB. Imo.

Pitts was in the 98th or 99th percentile of all TEs ever in terms of those numbers. The host asked him if he ever calculated him as a WR. He said he was in the 94th or 95th percentile if you evaluated him as a WR.

The guy is a freak. It's why he is being considered as potentially the top non-QB in the draft.

In comment 15227072 SirYesSir said:

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Engram is worth more to us than a future 3rd or 4th rounder. I don't want to move him

i'd take a 4 and a conditional pick next year based on performance from 5 all the way to 3 .

no way we trade up into the top 5 to get him. We have too many needs and Pitts is more of a wamt pick. I just dont think we will trade up that high. While he looks like a great talent, for some reason non traditional TEs do not work out for the Giants. I dont see him as a good TE, he is a better version of Engram and whatever position we want to call him. I wouldnt want to trade up to get him.

I appreciate the info. I do believe that we have an interest in Pitts I just dont believe we have the ability to get him.

gave up a 3rd round pick to do so. Was he worth that draft capital?

In comment 15227245 Rjanyg said:

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gave up a 3rd round pick to do so. Was he worth that draft capital?

They traded their 4th rounder.

The second round is stacked!

In comment 15227021 Bill L said:

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Maybe it'll be a lateral move.

In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said:

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They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al.

Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.

I think these moves are more likely to happen during the draft, when selections start shaking out, than in advance

Whether it's Pitts or whoever in the first, I trust the front office on this one. Pitts could make our offense unstoppable in the red zone, IF we can get there!

In comment 15227295 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: just saying... They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al. Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender.

Not sure what pick makes them a contender without a defensive blue-chip on the board. Idea in ATL is they will be shedding Julio soon. And dynamic TE will make up for him and add some balance to offense. A nice TE also helps a young QB if they shed Ryan after this year.

in this draft

And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl.

Yep.

In comment 15227350 M.S. said:

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And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl. Yep.

My jaw would probably drop.

so many different iterations, e.g.

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It would be if Pitts were to slide a little and just to get over Dallas. The compensation with what they would get in return for Engram and the comp needed move up 2 spots would probably be around the same

I don't think this is remotely the case. Cap't Don gave some history on moving ~4-5 spots from 15 or from 12, in one case giving up two 2s, the other, a 2 and a three. At best I think we might get a 4 or a low 3, at best.

That would give Howie,Jerry,and Danny the Pitts.

In comment 15227056 Eric on Li said:

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Atlanta could (should) pass on him for a QB or Sewell. Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase. Miami could take Sewell or Chase also.

Dallas is reportedly enamored with him as well. I really hope that he doesn’t end up in Dallas unless Jerry does something stupid like offering Schultz and three 1st round picks in order to move up.

but not following how we get Pitts and trade EE for the Bills #1

literally thrown their remote during the draft? Last time I was legit pissed off at a pick was JPP, but I was at a bar so couldn't toss a remote. Looks like NYG were right about that pick. I was pretty disappointed with Apple and Pugh pick as well

In comment 15227350 M.S. said:

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And surrender what little draft capital they possess, because they are just one superstar TE away from the Super Bowl. Yep.

They aren't one player away from the Super Bowl. They could win the Super Bowl with the roster as it is right now even without the addition of a single draft pick. But injuries are unpredictable, so Kyle Pitts would help!

No chance Pitts drops to 11, absent he does something UFB stupid like off the field between now & the 29th.

In comment 15227330 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15227295 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: In comment 15227060 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: just saying... They should. But they aren’t winning shit w Matt Ryan at this stage even w Pitts . He couldn’t win in his prime w Gonzalez Jones et al. Can’t blame them at 4 for passing on a QB but They aren’t a Kyle Pitts away from being a real contender. Not sure what pick makes them a contender without a defensive blue-chip on the board. Idea in ATL is they will be shedding Julio soon. And dynamic TE will make up for him and add some balance to offense. A nice TE also helps a young QB if they shed Ryan after this year.

I think they really need a QB amd need to rebuild tbh. Pitts very well be the BPA so I'd suggest a trade down bit may not get an reasonable offer so they are kind of stuck. I wonder if they can move on from Ryan after this year. Never thought he was elite but he's always been a media darling IMO.

Also think Miami very well could would snap up Pitts before Chase so if ALT trades down they might regret it. Tough spot

...distill down into:

If Pitts is "falling" and reaches reasonable trade-up range, they make that move. However if a trade-up is not reasonable or he is picked, then they stay at 11 where they would immediately take any of Pitts, Waddle, Sewell (and I assume Surtain, maybe Chase? though I don't think we have any insider comment on that). If none of those guys are available, then they trade back to 15 and take whomever is left out of Slater, Vera Tucker, Ojulari, Paye, (again no insider comment) or one of the top CB.

Parsons is both on and off their board and they pray he's one before 11.

I think that accounts for all the rumors I have read. What did I miss? I'm being semi-facetious, but really, we can go BPA so that is not an illegitimate strategy.

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In comment 15227126 NoPeanutz said: Quote: if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending. Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please. I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that.

I agree #3, totally. That would be a disaster

by 7,8 at the latest

several seasons have been the OL and Edge. The draft capital that they would have to give up to move on Pitts would mean we will go yet another year of not adequately addressing at least one (may be both) again.

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In comment 15227152 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 15227126 NoPeanutz said: Quote: if the Giants trade up to draft a pass catching TE in the first round. I've seen that movie and can't wait for the ending. Play it safe. Defense (Parsons) or OL (Slater) please. I'm with you. These tweener types all look great in college. THey line up alone and most DBs or S cant keep up or arent strong enough. Then they cant block either. Been there done that. I agree #3, totally. That would be a disaster

+1

may be a hard sell given that he is in his contract year

Atl is reportedly taking offers for #4 (Den, more). In theory, if you are trading in from say the 7-15 range, then it would be worth your 1st and 2nd rounders (not much more). Atl is holding out for a 2022 1st rounder.

To make this trade, would you swap the 2021 2nd rounder (42) with your 2022 1st rounder to move to #4 (Pitts/Chase). If you made the playoffs, it would be well worth it. Even picking in the 15+ next year would be worth it as you get 1 year of your 2021 2nd rounder (42). Hmmmm - 9 more days

In comment 15227763 Beer Man said:

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may be a hard sell given that he is in his contract year

Agree that a 3rd would be tough. I think a 4th is all the Giants may get. If that's the case, then it may not be worth trading him unless they need the money. The Giants will not be big players in the FA market next year, so Engram leaving via FA will most likely get them a comp pick.

The defense still has to account for him and he is still going to make catches (and drop passes). Even if half-loaded, he is still a weapon.

i think Engram needs to stop giving everybody valid reasons to be down on him.

But maybe a draft day trade will put an end to it anyway.

Listen if we draft either Smith or Waddle to go along with Golladay, this opens up the passing game tremendously. Even with EE, Rudolph and Smith our TEs can have a huge impact. No way they can be covered the whole game. A guy like EE can cause havoc if he can just catch the ball.

In comment 15227407 ryanmkeane said:

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literally thrown their remote during the draft? Last time I was legit pissed off at a pick was JPP, but I was at a bar so couldn't toss a remote. Looks like NYG were right about that pick. I was pretty disappointed with Apple and Pugh pick as well

Daniel Jones. I admit it was wrong now. When Allen was there, I thought it was a gift to us by the draft gods that we never seem to get.

I threw it, I really did.

but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.

In comment 15228057 Britt in VA said:

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but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.

Teams don't view him as just a TE. They are drafting because of the pressure he puts on a defense. We talk about force multipliers here. Pitts is one because the defense to account for him with more than one man.

In comment 15228057 Britt in VA said:

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but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006.

Not following comment on positional value and TEs. Would you expect them to go often in the Top 5?

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In comment 15228057 Britt in VA said: Quote: but for those saying Pitts doesn't make it out of the Top 5... since there is a lot of talk about positional value on this site, I think it's important to note that no TE has been taken in the Top 5 since 1972. The highest a TE has gone since then is Vernon Davis at 6, in 2006. Not following comment on positional value and TEs. Would you expect them to go often in the Top 5?

No, I'm talking about a lot of the talking points over the past three years discussing who is and isn't worthy of a top 5 pick.

For instance, the criticism of the Barkley as the 2nd overall pick because using positional value you should never take a running back that high (despite the fact that the RB position is taken in the top 5 a lot more than other positions, 28 time since 1980 in fact).

Guards are another position that are not considered worthy of a top 5 pick.

I'm saying, add TE's to that list. They just don't historically go in the top 5.

Well, that should also apply to Barkley when discussing his position.

In comment 15228113 Sean said:

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Well, that should also apply to Barkley when discussing his position.

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In comment 15228113 Sean said:

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Well, that should also apply to Barkley when discussing his position.

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You people want to have the same damn fight again? Why? We haven't done it enough yet? Trolls not interested in conversation. The want to fight with the same people over the same thing over and over and over.

is so many posters stating things as fact. None of us know what the Giants will do.

unreal some of you guys...

In comment 15227101 dd in Mass said:

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Every once in a while, I get some info. But you never really know if teams are just sending up smoke signals. Anyway, back a couple of months ago. My son was visiting me in FL. They were on the phone and he said that the Giants have actively shopped Engram to see if there was any interest and what could they get for him. Supposedly a New York team, so that's either the Jets or the Bills and the Chargers were offering a 4th or 5th. But the Giants felt he was worth more than that. Could be one of the reason that Judge has been so complimentary of EE to pump up his value.

From what I heard, the giants were interested in acquiring Mike Williams partially in exchange for Engram. Chargers mulled it but declined. You've got good intel I can see :)

Listing to Gettlemen press conference, and I think this actual possibility, and yes we are super star away on offense from competing in NFC. Surrouding Jones with two physical dominating receivers would take his game to a level we couldn't imagine. Brady has Evans and Gronk, Mahomes has Hill and Kelce, Payton had Reggie, and Marvin, and Eli had Nicks and Cruz. Danny needs Kenny and Kyle. When you get a player like Barkley,Julio, Chase Young, Von Miller, or Jalan Ramsey you and all you have to do is give up draft future capital, or 2nd rd pick, I think you do. Those players add wins. Pitts would make us a superbowl contender!!
Here's facts:
1) Gettlemen in love with Pitts, he was the only player in press that he talked about. Sound the same way he talked about Jones.
2) Gettlemen built Carolina the same way with Benjamin, and Funchess. I.e Golladay and Pitts.
3) Mara talked about how the NFL is becoming a passing league, Pitts, Shap, Slayton,and Golladay would give a top receiving core.