I have a good college buddy of mine whose got into NFL scouting and in the past I posted information of his when he worked on Jeff Fisher's staff on the Rams.
Now that's out of the way, my buddy now does scouting for an AFC team. He mentioned the Giants have reached out on several fronts, some have been in concerns to a trade down from #11. In addition, they have also talked about a possible Evan Engram trade if the Giants draft Kyle Pitts. He stated they're discussing terms but looking like Engram would go for a 2022 conditional draft pick that would be a 3rd or 4th round pick based on performance.
Part that I found interesting....I told him I didn't think Pitts would fall to the Giants pick at 11 but he said from what he's hearing from his team, they're expecting the Giants to move up.
Take all this with a grain of salt, just wanted to share what I heard this afternoon from my buddy.
I'd still guess it's more likely they trade back then up but who knows. Love draft season.
They can simultaneously explore both options.
Two, conditional means future pick so would this just be a 4th that can turn into a 3rd or would it be a pick this year and a pick next year like lets say a 5th and conditional 4th?
You wnat two TE's who don't block... WOW
42 and Engram for bottom of First might do it.
my guess they would use 42 and EE to move up.
Wow wonder what it would take to get that done?
If Pitts is gone then maybe that is where they look to trade down.
Again, as part of the PC today I pointed out that DG called Rudolph a PROFESSIONAL TE more than once. I don't think that should be taken lightly. His point was Rudolph knows where to be on the field, will make the tough and will make the running game better. I suspect EE is on his way out if the Giants get their way.
Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase.
Miami could take Sewell or Chase also.
I don't think any of the teams 7-8-9 are good fits for a TE or WR, and could see any of them being willing to slide back a few spots. Or take Surtain/Parsons/Slater/QB if they have a high enough grade.
So all that is to say if the NYG are as high on Pitts as some others are (Brandt and Jeremiah each have him #2 overall and their top position player) I could see it making sense. Especially if Atlanta opts for a QB.
I'd also add that I can 100% understand NFL teams being hesitant to draft Pitts that high. Top 10 TEs rarely work out. As much as everyone wants to think Pitts is a complete freak he tested similarly to Njoku and Engram a few years ago, though he's a much more polished player than both.
I’ll bet as well..
Thanks for the info
See a player that's better than everyone else? Do whatever it takes to draft that player. Simple. The teams that identify that kind of player and get that player are the ones that win. The teams that play it safe lose.
Yea I don't see how NYG can even get into position for PItts. He would have to get to around pick 7-8 or so.
Can't wait for the draft already.
See a player that's better than everyone else? Do whatever it takes to draft that player. Simple. The teams that identify that kind of player and get that player are the ones that win. The teams that play it safe lose.
Unless you're trading up to get Ricky Williams. Nobody won that trade-up.
I am not going to sleep! I am going to dance in the streets, wake up my neighbors, get an early breakfast with Mimosas and spend the next day with a big smile on my face.
I'm fine trading Engram, whether to move back up into the bottom of the first round for an EDGE that falls, or a conditional third or fourth round pick next year.
Is Pitts that generational receiver that puts you over the top - I doubt it. You basically come out of the draft with Pitts/Oline instead of Edge/lesser WR/Oline. Hmmm
Cinci: Pewell, dont overthink it. Protect your #1
Miami: Could take him but it means passing on Chase
Detroit: Could take him to team up with Hockenson - I think this is where we look to trade.
The two most similar trades came in 2018 and both involved a QB and I do think the QB tax is real when talking about 1st round trades.
2018
The Bills moved up from 12 to 7 to take Josh Allen. They gave up 53 and 56 and received 255.
The Cardinals moved up from 15 to 10 to take Josh Rosen. They gave up 79 and 152.
Both of those involve moving up 5 spots and we would only be moving up 3. They also both involve a QB.
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Yea I don't see how NYG can even get into position for PItts. He would have to get to around pick 7-8 or so.
Can't wait for the draft already.
Yep, they don't need to go chasing things they covet in Rd 1 and waste extra picks (yet again).
#11 spot is not a bad place to be with a damn good chance to grab a really good player at numerous positions.
Shiny toys like Pitts will come into the draft every year. Spend more time finding the TE that has less shine but can reliably block and catch in a later round...
Is Pitts that generational receiver that puts you over the top - I doubt it. You basically come out of the draft with Pitts/Oline instead of Edge/lesser WR/Oline. Hmmm
If they had something in place for EE (Buf), even somewhere near a 4th rounder, then it would only cost you the second to move up to get your guy. Not that a 2nd is nothing, but bearable.
They could be posturing
It's good to hear that the Giants are covering various scenarios.
Anyway, back a couple of months ago. My son was visiting me in FL. They were on the phone and he said that the Giants have actively shopped Engram to see if there was any interest and what could they get for him.
Supposedly a New York team, so that's either the Jets or the Bills and the Chargers were offering a 4th or 5th. But the Giants felt he was worth more than that.
Could be one of the reason that Judge has been so complimentary of EE to pump up his value.
Cincinnati could (should) pass on him for Sewell, though it sounds like they may pass on him for Chase.
Miami could take Sewell or Chase also.
I don't think any of the teams 7-8-9 are good fits for a TE or WR, and could see any of them being willing to slide back a few spots. Or take Surtain/Parsons/Slater/QB if they have a high enough grade.
So all that is to say if the NYG are as high on Pitts as some others are (Brandt and Jeremiah each have him #2 overall and their top position player) I could see it making sense. Especially if Atlanta opts for a QB.
I'd also add that I can 100% understand NFL teams being hesitant to draft Pitts that high. Top 10 TEs rarely work out. As much as everyone wants to think Pitts is a complete freak he tested similarly to Njoku and Engram a few years ago, though he's a much more polished player than both.
Comparing Njoku or Engram to Pitts is like comparing Pitts to Megatron or Plaxico. Pitts is not going to run a 4.3 or create separation on the outside against corners but he can outmuscle them; he can beat LBs & Safeties all day but it depends how he's used. He is just a weapon as a receiving threat and a red zone nightmare for opposing defensive coordinators. You can't rely on receiving TEs to block inline consistently. This is why Engram is completely useless if he's dropping passes left & right while coughing the ball up to boot.
That was my thinking too. It would be if Pitts were to slide a little and just to get over Dallas. The compensation with what they would get in return for Engram and the comp needed move up 2 spots would probably be around the same, so they could see it as a wash to most likely upgrade a position and not have to worry about the decision to extend Engram next year.
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They could be posturing
Yes they could be. But not hearing they are going QB.
Have heard if they can get good value for the pick they are interested in moving down to add defensive need players but nobody has right mix of picks/spots for where they are looking in back half of Rd 1.
Sounds like its Pitts...
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every time a rumor comes along saying the Giants might trade up. They have traded up numerous times over the years. Giants aren't shy in round 1, never really have been.
See a player that's better than everyone else? Do whatever it takes to draft that player. Simple. The teams that identify that kind of player and get that player are the ones that win. The teams that play it safe lose.
Unless you're trading up to get Ricky Williams. Nobody won that trade-up.
there is that...but to be fair, the Skins didn't get as fat as everyone feared off that trade. And the Saints did eventually emerge as contenders not that long after the fallout from that trade had dissipated. Once the Saints got Brees they won consistently. Trading away all that capital didn't exactly sink them for that long.
Comparing Njoku or Engram to Pitts is like comparing Pitts to Megatron or Plaxico. Pitts is not going to run a 4.3 or create separation on the outside against corners but he can outmuscle them; he can beat LBs & Safeties all day but it depends how he's used. He is just a weapon as a receiving threat and a red zone nightmare for opposing defensive coordinators. You can't rely on receiving TEs to block inline consistently. This is why Engram is completely useless if he's dropping passes left & right while coughing the ball up to boot.
Go ahead and compare him to Plax or Megatron (or Evans) too. They can all be compared to each other. They are all similarly athletic freaks at 240+ pounds. The point is that despite freakishness there's still a very wide range of outcomes. The latter 2 weren't first round picks because people didn't believe in them. I like Pitts a lot but it is harder to project hybrid TE/WR so I'd say he's a riskier pick than say someone like J'Marr Chase.