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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2021 4:00 pm
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Dave Gettleman and Kevin Abrams Address the Media; Giants Cut Ryan Lewis - ( New Window )
Gettleman and Abrams  
cjac : 4/20/2021 4:11 pm : link
not sure if there could be 2 more polar opposite guys in regards to personality
I think we have a really good management team  
BillT : 4/20/2021 4:35 pm : link
This years FA was a huge success and no one saw it coming except DG, Abrams and JJ. Took everyone by surprise. The people criticizing it sound like the sour grapes crowd as the Giants caught most of the league flat footed. Picked up or signed multiple big time talents plus some other pieces while the media was telling us DG had put us in cap hell. This interview shows a well organized, thoughtful, prepared team that executed a great offseason. Kudos to them.
BillT  
George from PA : 4/20/2021 4:38 pm : link
Venturing into dangerous territory here at BBI,🙂
As I said on the other thread,  
Angel Eyes : 4/20/2021 4:41 pm : link
Gettleman has more faith in Carter and Ximines than I do; we've been waiting for the former to break out for a long time, he's coming off a major injury, and this is a contract year.
Loved DG's Comment  
HMunster : 4/20/2021 4:42 pm : link
re: Adoree Jackson's contract. He's not the best communicator in the press conferences and doesn't come across well, but that response was essentially "They can go f@#k themselves." Glad he made it.
WTF?!  
Daniel in MI : 4/20/2021 4:51 pm : link
No discussion of Platzgummer coming back?! Fail! F this team, owners, managers, all 89 coaches, the players, media, sponsors, trainers, psychologists, scouts, equipment managers, laundry people, ball boys, field crew, concessions stands people, security, parking attendants, travel agents sales team, marketing department, the assistant to the traveling secretary, his secretary, and me!
Abrams is god-awful with the media  
David B. : 4/20/2021 4:53 pm : link
Hopefully not the next GM.
RE: As I said on the other thread,  
Rjanyg : 4/20/2021 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15227299 Angel Eyes said:
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Gettleman has more faith in Carter and Ximines than I do; we've been waiting for the former to break out for a long time, he's coming off a major injury, and this is a contract year.


I get what you are saying but we have to take everything with a grain of salt. They were the starters last year and they are rehabbing now. No need to say " they are shot and we are drafting an edge in round 1 ". We have 56 Edge players on the roster right now. We can almost guarantee we will add another. The attemd to add Leonard Floyd gives us all we need to know about how the front office and coaching staff feel about the need for an infusion of talent.
RE: Abrams is god-awful with the media  
Big Blue '56 : 4/20/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15227314 David B. said:
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Hopefully not the next GM.


Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us. He ONLY needs to answer to the Giants heirarchy..That said, I have little to no idea how well he’d perform as our GM if chosen.
RE: RE: As I said on the other thread,  
Angel Eyes : 4/20/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15227317 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 15227299 Angel Eyes said:


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Gettleman has more faith in Carter and Ximines than I do; we've been waiting for the former to break out for a long time, he's coming off a major injury, and this is a contract year.



I get what you are saying but we have to take everything with a grain of salt. They were the starters last year and they are rehabbing now. No need to say " they are shot and we are drafting an edge in round 1 ". We have 56 Edge players on the roster right now. We can almost guarantee we will add another. The attempt to add Leonard Floyd gives us all we need to know about how the front office and coaching staff feel about the need for an infusion of talent.

Well I don’t necessarily think the Giants need to go edge rusher in the first round, but there’s quite a few slated to go in round 2 and 3 that would be good value. Heck, draft another with one of the two picks we have in the sixth round.
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David B. : 4/20/2021 5:47 pm : link
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Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us.


Why did Eli's demeanor matter? Why did Coughlin's relationship with the media matter?

Because it's NYC and it matters.

Sure, you win a shitload of SBs and you can act however you want and get away with anything -- like Belichick.

But if you don't win, you better at least have some personality or they'll run you out of town here.
RE: Abrams is god-awful with the media  
Sean : 4/20/2021 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15227314 David B. said:
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Hopefully not the next GM.

Seems like he’s got a good personality for managing the cap, but media wise he makes Belichick look like a talker.
RE: RE: Abrams is god-awful with the media  
uncledave : 4/20/2021 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15227325 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15227314 David B. said:


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Hopefully not the next GM.



Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us. He ONLY needs to answer to the Giants heirarchy..That said, I have little to no idea how well he’d perform as our GM if chosen.


Well said BB56. This is why they are trying to assimilate him more to the media now with DG around to take some pressure off. KA is a great mind and has a good personality but the NYC media can be daunting at first til you settle in...
Abrams was AWSOME!  
ZogZerg : 4/20/2021 6:40 pm : link
I don't recall seeing him before.

I loved DGs answer to the moronic question that was asked last:

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Gettleman: Well, my reaction to that is one of the things that makes America a great place is everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Abrams acted like Gettleman should act...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2021 6:45 pm : link
stoic and precise.

Meanwhile, Ole Dave to the rescue once again...

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"Offense scores points, defense wins championships..."


I keep saying it and saying it - this guys does NOT understand modern football.
Abrams has zero personality.....  
Simms11 : 4/20/2021 7:09 pm : link
Very stoic and short. I suppose he dislikes these press conferences.
RE: Abrams acted like Gettleman should act...  
Milton : 4/20/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15227401 bw in dc said:
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stoic and precise.

Meanwhile, Ole Dave to the rescue once again...



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"Offense scores points, defense wins championships..."



I keep saying it and saying it - this guys does NOT understand modern football.
Actions speak louder than words. Whether you agree with his choices or not, nobody can say he has ignored the offense in favor of defense when it comes to premium draft picks and big ticket free agents. So let him say "defense wins championships" all he wants.
They clipped out the funniest part at the end...  
90.Cal : 4/20/2021 7:23 pm : link
The reporter that asked the Adoree question in a kind of shitty way at the very end said thank you to DG after DG's answer and just the way Gettleman said 'Yah welcome!', that was hilarious to me. Giants.com video cut it out at the end LOL.
I thought Abrams was telling with what he did say. Straight forward.  
90.Cal : 4/20/2021 7:27 pm : link
Not someone your going to pay to listen to but thats not what he is. He's a negotiator not our press secretary. He did fine.
I thought there was some meat to this interview  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2021 7:33 pm : link
My take-aways...

(1) Abrams is not as optimistic as many fans that the cap will go up next year. He said that twice and specifically mentioned how state responses to COVID and fan attendance could make it another bad cap situation in 2022.

(2) Dave confirmed that while Odenigbo will be used inside on the DL in pass rush packages, they view him as part of the edge/outside linebacker group.

(3) Many of the questions weren't good. The only tough journalistic one was the last, which Dave mocked. It was a fair question. He should have emphasized more what they liked about Jackson as the player.
It was such a contrast in styles...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2021 7:45 pm : link
watching these two side by side.

Gettleman is fidgety, constantly touches his face, uses nervous fillers like "you know", "I mean", "um", blinks incessantly, slumps in his chair, etc. Looks and sounds like the handyman you just hired to fix fence.

Meanwhile, Abrams sits upright, is composed, answers questions very directly, doesn't mince words, sounds like he really has a deep understanding of his craft. So he looks and sounds like the guy who owns the company that Gettleman works for...
Screw the media  
Bill L : 4/20/2021 8:19 pm : link
I get that it’s NYC and all that, but the truth is they are owed nothing.
RE: It was such a contrast in styles...  
Milton : 4/20/2021 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15227445 bw in dc said:
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Gettleman is fidgety, constantly touches his face, uses nervous fillers like "you know", "I mean", "um", blinks incessantly, slumps in his chair, etc. Looks and sounds like the handyman you just hired to fix fence.
It could be due to medication. Or not. I think he's restless by nature, which is why he tends to trade up and not back. He doesn't have the patience to let the draft come to him. It's also why he is more likely to make in-season trades than any Giants GM prior to him. He can't resist the action. Some could criticize him for that, but I like it.

To quote Garry Kasparov...
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Ultimately, what separates a winner from a loser at the grandmaster level is the willingness to do the unthinkable. A brilliant strategy is, certainly, a matter of intelligence, but intelligence without audaciousness is not enough. Given the opportunity, I must have the guts to explode the game, to upend my opponent's thinking and, in so doing, unnerve him. So it is in business: One does not succeed by sticking to convention. When your opponent can easily anticipate every move you make, your strategy deteriorates and becomes commoditized.
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Enormous self-belief, intuition, the ability to take a risk at a critical moment and go in for a very dangerous play with counter-chances for the opponent - it is precisely these qualities that distinguish great players.
Abrams would be great at poker.  
CT Charlie : 4/20/2021 8:29 pm : link
I like his discipline.
Eric  
ZogZerg : 4/20/2021 8:42 pm : link
The last question was terrible.
Who care what one other "gm" supposedly had to say about the signing.

He should have asked why they thought Jackson was worth the money or something to that extent and not have brought some one else's thoughts. When you ask it the way it was asked, you get the comment...
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one..."
RE: Gettleman and Abrams  
solarmike : 4/20/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15227263 cjac said:
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not sure if there could be 2 more polar opposite guys in regards to personality


Kevin Abrams has an odd vibe. DG wants to pump up the love and KA looks miffed. I see no joy amongst them.
Abrams was not awful  
DavidinBMNY : 4/20/2021 8:47 pm : link
He thought before speaking. If you listened to his answers they were brief and to the point because he took the time to think about what he was going to say. This was also I believe one of his first one's. He is a typical numbers guy. What personality does the CFO of your company have?

This was the least annoying Gettleman presser. He didn't offend anyone or come off like a buffon. Signs are pointing up.
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christian : 4/20/2021 8:59 pm : link
I’ll take the serious, cerebral, prepared guy to run management every day of the week. I thought Abrams was dynamite in that video.

A few times he put his eyes down while Rabbit Foot Dave was rambling, as if he was thinking “please stop.”

I fully expect Abrams to be GM of the Giants.
RE: I thought there was some meat to this interview  
90.Cal : 4/20/2021 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15227432 Eric from BBI said:
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My take-aways...

(1) Abrams is not as optimistic as many fans that the cap will go up next year. He said that twice and specifically mentioned how state responses to COVID and fan attendance could make it another bad cap situation in 2022.

(2) Dave confirmed that while Odenigbo will be used inside on the DL in pass rush packages, they view him as part of the edge/outside linebacker group.

(3) Many of the questions weren't good. The only tough journalistic one was the last, which Dave mocked. It was a fair question. He should have emphasized more what they liked about Jackson as the player.


(3) Could not disagree more...

So you think a fair question from a reporter is asking Gettleman to react to another reporter's unnamed sources that claim to be Gettleman's counterparts/colleagues? Come on... the guy didn't even word it well, hell he didn't even say it with his chest.

To the second part of that question he told him why he thinks Adoree was worth it... "He can play inside and out". Versatility. "Speed and ballskills". "Football smart". "Legit cover guy". What more do you want.

But that first part with him trying to get Gettleman to respond to "the medias unnamed GM sources" was bullshit and you should know that
RE: ...  
Sean : 4/20/2021 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15227549 christian said:
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I’ll take the serious, cerebral, prepared guy to run management every day of the week. I thought Abrams was dynamite in that video.

A few times he put his eyes down while Rabbit Foot Dave was rambling, as if he was thinking “please stop.”

I fully expect Abrams to be GM of the Giants.

I don’t disagree, although I would not discount Kyle O’Brien for next GM. Coming off Gettleman, Abrams demeanor is probably a good thing.
I could see Abrams as a fit with Judge in the future..  
Sean : 4/20/2021 9:34 pm : link
Abrams is not the guy who will put his foot in his mouth.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2021 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15227549 christian said:
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I’ll take the serious, cerebral, prepared guy to run management every day of the week. I thought Abrams was dynamite in that video.

A few times he put his eyes down while Rabbit Foot Dave was rambling, as if he was thinking “please stop.”

I fully expect Abrams to be GM of the Giants.


I could see Abrams getting the job as well. I wouldn't feel comfortable with it because he's another classic insider, but at least he comports himself with professionalism and stays on point.
RE: RE: It was such a contrast in styles...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15227512 Milton said:
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In comment 15227445 bw in dc said:


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Gettleman is fidgety, constantly touches his face, uses nervous fillers like "you know", "I mean", "um", blinks incessantly, slumps in his chair, etc. Looks and sounds like the handyman you just hired to fix fence.

It could be due to medication. Or not. I think he's restless by nature, which is why he tends to trade up and not back. He doesn't have the patience to let the draft come to him. It's also why he is more likely to make in-season trades than any Giants GM prior to him. He can't resist the action. Some could criticize him for that, but I like it.

To quote Garry Kasparov...

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Ultimately, what separates a winner from a loser at the grandmaster level is the willingness to do the unthinkable. A brilliant strategy is, certainly, a matter of intelligence, but intelligence without audaciousness is not enough. Given the opportunity, I must have the guts to explode the game, to upend my opponent's thinking and, in so doing, unnerve him. So it is in business: One does not succeed by sticking to convention. When your opponent can easily anticipate every move you make, your strategy deteriorates and becomes commoditized.



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Enormous self-belief, intuition, the ability to take a risk at a critical moment and go in for a very dangerous play with counter-chances for the opponent - it is precisely these qualities that distinguish great players.



Shouldn't you be quoting a famous checkers player? ;)
ZogZerg/90.Cal  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2021 9:45 pm : link
I think you guys forgot the reputation NY journalists used to have for asking tough questions. Ever since Coughlin, these guys genuflect at the alter. It's nauseating.

Dave eventually answered the question, but he did it in a dismissive way and his answer was generic, not terribly specific.

I wish the reporters had asked specifically what they liked about each of the new players they signed. Most of what they asked generated a predictable response that any of us could have typed in advance.
ZogZerg/90.Cal  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2021 9:47 pm : link
also, one other thing, the Jackson signings is a high risk/high reward type of deal. It is fair game to criticize and there have been a number of articles where unnamed officials from other teams have criticized the signing.

If the Eagles had made this move, at least half of BBI would have mocked the signing.
lemme throw this out there  
Red Right Hand : 4/20/2021 9:48 pm : link
In a complimentary and similar way to how Joe judge approaches coaching, Seems to me Gettleman is morphing his approach to management,in a similar way to how Joe judge approaches coaching,vis-a vis delegation and distribution of authorities and responsibilities.

Joe Judge is medicine, and Gettleman would be what you would call a compliant patient. I think neither of them are geniuses, but both know their job, what needs to be done and clearly have the confidence go out and do it, and they both definitely have opinions about that.

Both are fairly open about their approach, what they are doing and why. They don't try and pretend they are smarter than everyone else, but they certainly operate with the confidence of men who have faith that they know what needs to be done and can do it. Fact is I believe they have similar foundational beliefs about the game and work well together, along does Abrams.

All 3 have their areas of responsibility, Judge for how the game is played and the personell ON the roster( not who is aquired or how, or for how much, but whether they are actually on the roster or not), Gettleman for who they aquire and how, and Abrams for how the money is actually allocated and spent, the deals themselves and the parameters. one guy does the game, the other the team composition, the last, the money.

In the end, Gettleman is the GM and makes the final decisions, after input from all and considerations for what the teams needs are, be it coaching or finances.
Like it or not DG has the last word, not Judge or Abrams, and that is as it should be.
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Red Right Hand : 4/20/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15227363 David B. said:
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Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us.



Why did Eli's demeanor matter? Why did Coughlin's relationship with the media matter?

Because it's NYC and it matters.

Sure, you win a shitload of SBs and you can act however you want and get away with anything -- like Belichick.

But if you don't win, you better at least have some personality or they'll run you out of town here.

Goddamn right. If nothing else, this is NY and you better have steel balls or GTFO.
RE: RE: It was such a contrast in styles...  
Red Right Hand : 4/20/2021 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15227512 Milton said:
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In comment 15227445 bw in dc said:


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Gettleman is fidgety, constantly touches his face, uses nervous fillers like "you know", "I mean", "um", blinks incessantly, slumps in his chair, etc. Looks and sounds like the handyman you just hired to fix fence.

It could be due to medication. Or not. I think he's restless by nature, which is why he tends to trade up and not back. He doesn't have the patience to let the draft come to him. It's also why he is more likely to make in-season trades than any Giants GM prior to him. He can't resist the action. Some could criticize him for that, but I like it.

To quote Garry Kasparov...

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Ultimately, what separates a winner from a loser at the grandmaster level is the willingness to do the unthinkable. A brilliant strategy is, certainly, a matter of intelligence, but intelligence without audaciousness is not enough. Given the opportunity, I must have the guts to explode the game, to upend my opponent's thinking and, in so doing, unnerve him. So it is in business: One does not succeed by sticking to convention. When your opponent can easily anticipate every move you make, your strategy deteriorates and becomes commoditized.



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Enormous self-belief, intuition, the ability to take a risk at a critical moment and go in for a very dangerous play with counter-chances for the opponent - it is precisely these qualities that distinguish great players.

For all his many faults, this is what DG brings to the table that know one seems to get.

Bonus points for quoting Kasparov.
RE: RE:  
Scooter185 : 4/20/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15227363 David B. said:
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Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us.



Why did Eli's demeanor matter? Why did Coughlin's relationship with the media matter?

Because it's NYC and it matters.

Sure, you win a shitload of SBs and you can act however you want and get away with anything -- like Belichick.

But if you don't win, you better at least have some personality or they'll run you out of town here.


Look at the Yankees. While fan sentiment towards Cashman is a wide spectrum, he gets no blowback from the media because he plays nice with them. With DG the media takes the fans negative feelings and keeps throwing gas on that fire because he doesn't play nice with them
christ gettleman is painful to listen to.  
japanhead : 4/20/2021 11:11 pm : link
i see why they're getting abrams and pettit more time with the media. dave probably ought to be put out to pasture.
If Mara had a time machine, do you think he hires Gettleman again?  
Go Terps : 4/21/2021 12:00 am : link
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RE: RE:  
Scuzzlebutt : 4/21/2021 12:55 am : link
In comment 15227363 David B. said:
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Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us.



Why did Eli's demeanor matter? Why did Coughlin's relationship with the media matter?

Because it's NYC and it matters.

Sure, you win a shitload of SBs and you can act however you want and get away with anything -- like Belichick.

But if you don't win, you better at least have some personality or they'll run you out of town here.


Maybe it matters to some fans, but I am not one of them. I could not care less if the media likes our GM. I will never understand the criticism DG gets for his relationship with the media because 1) he is a pretty entertaining interview if you ask me and 2) who cares?
RE: If Mara had a time machine, do you think he hires Gettleman again?  
Sean : 4/21/2021 6:31 am : link
In comment 15227733 Go Terps said:
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No. I wonder if he’d just keep Reese and shake up the staff below him.
RE: ZogZerg/90.Cal  
ZogZerg : 4/21/2021 7:31 am : link
In comment 15227644 Eric from BBI said:
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also, one other thing, the Jackson signings is a high risk/high reward type of deal. It is fair game to criticize and there have been a number of articles where unnamed officials from other teams have criticized the signing.

If the Eagles had made this move, at least half of BBI would have mocked the signing.


I don't know about that Eric.
It seemed to me that, for a change, most of BBI was excited about the prospect of signing him when the visit was announced.

I never heard of him and was surprised that BBI was so excited about him. I completely agree that this is a gamble the Giants made. The Giants could not afford the one year prove it deal and had to pay a good chunk of money to get him for 3 years.

But, if the Giants only signed him for 1 year deal and he has a great year, BBI would have killed DG for not locking him up long term - LOL.

Giants certainly have conviction on him. Which, sometimes you have to have when building a roster. We will see if they were right. They are paying him like a top CB. So, he needs to stay healthy and play that way.

Bottom line - there were way better ways to ask the question. The NY beats SUCK for most part. They either don't ask the questions that should be or ask them in a f-d up way.
I liked Abrams  
UberAlias : 4/21/2021 7:47 am : link
You don't need a personality as a GM. It's not like he was combative or sarcastic with the media. He answered all the questions, he was respectful, seems like a smart guy, he just doesn't waste words or speak colorfully. Who the hell cares? GM is about making smart decisions. You don't need a clown like Rex Ryan.
RE: I could see Abrams as a fit with Judge in the future..  
UberAlias : 4/21/2021 7:49 am : link
In comment 15227609 Sean said:
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Abrams is not the guy who will put his foot in his mouth.
This is correct. It would signal a move to HC having a greater role in personal decisions, beyond the indications we're already seeing.
RE: If Mara had a time machine, do you think he hires Gettleman again?  
Bill L : 4/21/2021 7:58 am : link
In comment 15227733 Go Terps said:
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I think so. I probably would. It's not as easy as or fast as you think to turn an aircraft carrier around.
I also think that most of you give way, way more weight  
Bill L : 4/21/2021 7:59 am : link
to a bunch of pretty ignorant and crass people who happen to hold a microphone.
RE: Abrams acted like Gettleman should act...  
djm : 4/21/2021 11:18 am : link
In comment 15227401 bw in dc said:
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stoic and precise.

Meanwhile, Ole Dave to the rescue once again...



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"Offense scores points, defense wins championships..."



I keep saying it and saying it - this guys does NOT understand modern football.


Pipe down he knows full well what wins. This is just ageism. The guy just drafted the best "modern day" RB in the NFL when approx 7 teams slept on him. That RB being McCaffery. He drafted a bunch of WRs too. He also fielded a damn good offense in Carolina. Since when does D not win titles? Or did you already forget what happened 3 fucking months ago.
maybe not overt ageism  
djm : 4/21/2021 11:19 am : link
but it's par for the course with the perception and discussion of DG. Too old? It's implied on every thread. Get the fuck out of here.
RE: RE: Abrams acted like Gettleman should act...  
bw in dc : 4/21/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15228088 djm said:
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In comment 15227401 bw in dc said:


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stoic and precise.

Meanwhile, Ole Dave to the rescue once again...



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"Offense scores points, defense wins championships..."



I keep saying it and saying it - this guys does NOT understand modern football.



Pipe down he knows full well what wins. This is just ageism. The guy just drafted the best "modern day" RB in the NFL when approx 7 teams slept on him. That RB being McCaffery. He drafted a bunch of WRs too. He also fielded a damn good offense in Carolina. Since when does D not win titles? Or did you already forget what happened 3 fucking months ago.


For the record, Gettleman inherited Newton. So that offense wasn't a reflection of anything Gettleman really did. When they went to the SB in 2015, that was predominantly Marty Hurney's team.

McCaffrey was a warning sign the Giants didn't heed with Gettleman. It was a stupid decision to draft Mac in Carolina and it was equally stupid to draft SB for the Giants. But that's old real estate...

Here are the top ten offenses in PPG for 2020: 1. Green Bay 2. Buffalo 3. Tampa 4. Titans 5. Saints 6. Chiefs 7. Ravens 8. Seattle. 9. Colts 10. Raiders

Nine of the ten made the playoffs.

Here are the top ten defenses in PPG for 2020: 1. Rams 2. Ravens 3. Steelers 4. Washington 5. Saints 6. Dolphins 7. Patriots 8. Bucs 9. Giants 10. Colts

Notice how the teams who aren't scoring points aren't making the playoffs or not going very far in the playoffs.

It's a scoring league and you just aren't going anywhere unless you can be a top ten offense.

Here are the SB winners the last ten years and where they were in PPG on offense:

2020: Tampa 3rd
2019: Chiefs 5th
2018: Pats 4th
2017: Eagles 3rd
2016: Pats 3rd
2015: Denver 19th
2014: Pats 4th
2013: Seattle 8th
2012: Ravens 9th
2011: Giants 10th

So outside of Denver in 2015, who had a great defense and Manning was rapidly declining that year (btw, they played the Panthers in the SB, who were #1 in PPG), the last decade is full of winners who have great offenses.
RE: If Mara had a time machine, do you think he hires Gettleman again?  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2021 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15227733 Go Terps said:
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He should use DG's time machine. It goes back to 1935.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2021 2:00 pm : link
Jimmy Clownshoes with his daily dig at DG. Right on form, Clown!
The dig is really just for you  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2021 2:18 pm : link
you just seem to miss it...
RE: RE: It was such a contrast in styles...  
Thegratefulhead : 4/21/2021 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15227512 Milton said:
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In comment 15227445 bw in dc said:


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Gettleman is fidgety, constantly touches his face, uses nervous fillers like "you know", "I mean", "um", blinks incessantly, slumps in his chair, etc. Looks and sounds like the handyman you just hired to fix fence.

It could be due to medication. Or not. I think he's restless by nature, which is why he tends to trade up and not back. He doesn't have the patience to let the draft come to him. It's also why he is more likely to make in-season trades than any Giants GM prior to him. He can't resist the action. Some could criticize him for that, but I like it.

To quote Garry Kasparov...

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Ultimately, what separates a winner from a loser at the grandmaster level is the willingness to do the unthinkable. A brilliant strategy is, certainly, a matter of intelligence, but intelligence without audaciousness is not enough. Given the opportunity, I must have the guts to explode the game, to upend my opponent's thinking and, in so doing, unnerve him. So it is in business: One does not succeed by sticking to convention. When your opponent can easily anticipate every move you make, your strategy deteriorates and becomes commoditized.



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Enormous self-belief, intuition, the ability to take a risk at a critical moment and go in for a very dangerous play with counter-chances for the opponent - it is precisely these qualities that distinguish great players.

I played. I am big fan Kasparov. I got into chess when Kasparov was playing Karpov for the first time. In high school, I took a deep dive into chess. I had to quit. I can't lose, it hurts too much. So I obsess. People couldn't even talk to me, because in the middle of conversations, I was playing games of chess in my head.

Loved Queen's Gambit btw. It is a woman placed into the story of Bobby Fischer.

If I continued playing chess, I would have never had a life or gotten married.

What I am getting at is...

I understand the point you were trying to make. DG is reactionary though, I could read a book, look at the board for 5 seconds per move and destroy the type of player I think DG would make.

A patzer.

RE: lemme throw this out there  
Brown_Hornet : 4/21/2021 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15227648 Red Right Hand said:
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In a complimentary and similar way to how Joe judge approaches coaching, Seems to me Gettleman is morphing his approach to management,in a similar way to how Joe judge approaches coaching,vis-a vis delegation and distribution of authorities and responsibilities.

Joe Judge is medicine, and Gettleman would be what you would call a compliant patient. I think neither of them are geniuses, but both know their job, what needs to be done and clearly have the confidence go out and do it, and they both definitely have opinions about that.

Both are fairly open about their approach, what they are doing and why. They don't try and pretend they are smarter than everyone else, but they certainly operate with the confidence of men who have faith that they know what needs to be done and can do it. Fact is I believe they have similar foundational beliefs about the game and work well together, along does Abrams.

All 3 have their areas of responsibility, Judge for how the game is played and the personell ON the roster( not who is aquired or how, or for how much, but whether they are actually on the roster or not), Gettleman for who they aquire and how, and Abrams for how the money is actually allocated and spent, the deals themselves and the parameters. one guy does the game, the other the team composition, the last, the money.

In the end, Gettleman is the GM and makes the final decisions, after input from all and considerations for what the teams needs are, be it coaching or finances.
Like it or not DG has the last word, not Judge or Abrams, and that is as it should be.
+1
RE: RE: RE: It was such a contrast in styles...  
Scooter185 : 4/21/2021 7:42 pm : link
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Gettleman is fidgety, constantly touches his face, uses nervous fillers like "you know", "I mean", "um", blinks incessantly, slumps in his chair, etc. Looks and sounds like the handyman you just hired to fix fence.

It could be due to medication. Or not. I think he's restless by nature, which is why he tends to trade up and not back. He doesn't have the patience to let the draft come to him. It's also why he is more likely to make in-season trades than any Giants GM prior to him. He can't resist the action. Some could criticize him for that, but I like it.

To quote Garry Kasparov...

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Ultimately, what separates a winner from a loser at the grandmaster level is the willingness to do the unthinkable. A brilliant strategy is, certainly, a matter of intelligence, but intelligence without audaciousness is not enough. Given the opportunity, I must have the guts to explode the game, to upend my opponent's thinking and, in so doing, unnerve him. So it is in business: One does not succeed by sticking to convention. When your opponent can easily anticipate every move you make, your strategy deteriorates and becomes commoditized.



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Enormous self-belief, intuition, the ability to take a risk at a critical moment and go in for a very dangerous play with counter-chances for the opponent - it is precisely these qualities that distinguish great players.



I played. I am big fan Kasparov. I got into chess when Kasparov was playing Karpov for the first time. In high school, I took a deep dive into chess. I had to quit. I can't lose, it hurts too much. So I obsess. People couldn't even talk to me, because in the middle of conversations, I was playing games of chess in my head.

Loved Queen's Gambit btw. It is a woman placed into the story of Bobby Fischer.

If I continued playing chess, I would have never had a life or gotten married.

What I am getting at is...

I understand the point you were trying to make. DG is reactionary though, I could read a book, look at the board for 5 seconds per move and destroy the type of player I think DG would make.

A patzer.


You may not have had a life, but maybe you would have made IM or GM 😆
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giantstock : 4/21/2021 11:23 pm : link
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Why does that matter as long as he does a solid job for us.



Why did Eli's demeanor matter? Why did Coughlin's relationship with the media matter?

Because it's NYC and it matters.

Sure, you win a shitload of SBs and you can act however you want and get away with anything -- like Belichick.

But if you don't win, you better at least have some personality or they'll run you out of town here.



Maybe it matters to some fans, but I am not one of them. I could not care less if the media likes our GM. I will never understand the criticism DG gets for his relationship with the media because 1) he is a pretty entertaining interview if you ask me and 2) who cares?


The point is some of us don't feel he is entertaining.

It's mind-boggling that you make a point that "you never understand the criticism gets . . ."

Then you go about saying how YOU find him entertaining. Why is is it that some you homers can't understand that we don't have to feel like you do?

Stop being a cheerleader and recognize that it's okay for some of us to dislike him immensely.
RE: RE: Abrams acted like Gettleman should act...  
giantstock : 4/21/2021 11:29 pm : link
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stoic and precise.

Meanwhile, Ole Dave to the rescue once again...



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"Offense scores points, defense wins championships..."



I keep saying it and saying it - this guys does NOT understand modern football.



Pipe down he knows full well what wins. This is just ageism. The guy just drafted the best "modern day" RB in the NFL when approx 7 teams slept on him. That RB being McCaffery. He drafted a bunch of WRs too. He also fielded a damn good offense in Carolina. Since when does D not win titles? Or did you already forget what happened 3 fucking months ago.


It figures posters like you continue to bury yoru head in teh sand. You relaize he os the GM of the Giants now, right?

Who gives a shit what he did with Carolina???

But keep going on with your cheerleading.

How about taking off your skirt and start demanding some wins? That's when I'll start to respect this clown of a GM. And he'll no longer be a clown when that winning happens.
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