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Will DeVonta Smith be there at 11? Vegas says yes.

Producer : 4/20/2021 8:54 pm
I think there is an 80% chance Smith will be there at 11. and a 50% chance the Giants select him.

Vegas has the over at pick 11.5 for Smith. They think he'll be there.

Seems many on here are certain he will be gone. That isn't how the buzz is trending.

Do you think he'll be there?
I think Detroit might take him or somebody might trade up to their spo  
Rjanyg : 4/20/2021 9:03 pm : link
Spot to get him.
Yes, I think he will be there;  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2021 9:05 pm : link
and, no, I don't think we'll take him. Under 170 lbs. is gonna result in him dropping. Injury risk, ability to defeat press coverage, plus sub-par blocking are the concerns.

Don't get me wrong - he is a great player and will prob have a good career. But #11 is awfully high for a WR that small.
RE: I think Detroit might take him or somebody might trade up to their spo  
rasbutant : 4/20/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15227558 Rjanyg said:
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Spot to get him.


I get the feel Campbell is going to want to build the defense and the line before moving onto the skill positions.

I think Detriot goes Micah Parson, Slater, Sewell or maybe even Paye but that seem like a reach, they are probably trying to trade down.
Considering what we know the Giants are thinking from insiders  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/20/2021 9:11 pm : link
definitely seems like Vegas thinks he's probably going to be there. Good find.
RE: RE: I think Detroit might take him or somebody might trade up to their spo  
rasbutant : 4/20/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15227573 rasbutant said:
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In comment 15227558 Rjanyg said:


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Spot to get him.



I get the feel Campbell is going to want to build the defense and the line before moving onto the skill positions.

I think Detriot goes Micah Parson, Slater, Sewell or maybe even Paye but that seem like a reach, they are probably trying to trade down.

I should have included the Top CB's in there as well. And the two tackles would probably play G for them as they have high price LT and RT already.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2021 9:18 pm : link
I think he's there. And I'd be shocked if we didn't take him.
RE: Yes, I think he will be there;  
Capt. Don : 4/20/2021 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15227560 BigBlueNH said:
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and, no, I don't think we'll take him. Under 170 lbs. is gonna result in him dropping. Injury risk, ability to defeat press coverage, plus sub-par blocking are the concerns.

Don't get me wrong - he is a great player and will prob have a good career. But #11 is awfully high for a WR that small.


Injury risk for a WR that has no history of injury?

Press coverage? You clearly haven't watched him. He has a great release. If it was so easy to press him, how did he dominate the best conference in college football?

Blocking is a reason you contribute to 11 being too high for a receiver?
I do.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/20/2021 9:23 pm : link
I know Smith gets dinged for his weight, but I have to admit, if he weighed 195 lbs, he likely wouldn't be available at 11.
What  
AcidTest : 4/20/2021 9:38 pm : link
Vegas predicts about player availability is meaningless.
I agree, Smith will be there...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2021 9:48 pm : link
and I think he's going to be one of two players to drop in this draft. The other is Mac Jones. I'm still not convinced he's even top 25, let alone a top 5 talent.

But back to Smith - I hope we still pass on him if he's there at #11. The odds of hitting on a first round WR are close to only 25%. And I just don't trust Smith's body type. So I hope we go in a different direction.
RE: What  
Producer : 4/20/2021 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15227615 AcidTest said:
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Vegas predicts about player availability is meaningless.


ok, cheery. Nobody cares what Vegas thinks about sports matters.
RE: I agree, Smith will be there...  
Producer : 4/20/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15227645 bw in dc said:
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and I think he's going to be one of two players to drop in this draft. The other is Mac Jones. I'm still not convinced he's even top 25, let alone a top 5 talent.

But back to Smith - I hope we still pass on him if he's there at #11. The odds of hitting on a first round WR are close to only 25%. And I just don't trust Smith's body type. So I hope we go in a different direction.


It would be a fun selection. Slater might be a better one. I can get behind both.
RE: RE: Yes, I think he will be there;  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/20/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15227584 Capt. Don said:
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and, no, I don't think we'll take him. Under 170 lbs. is gonna result in him dropping. Injury risk, ability to defeat press coverage, plus sub-par blocking are the concerns.

Don't get me wrong - he is a great player and will prob have a good career. But #11 is awfully high for a WR that small.



Injury risk for a WR that has no history of injury?

Press coverage? You clearly haven't watched him. He has a great release. If it was so easy to press him, how did he dominate the best conference in college football?

Blocking is a reason you contribute to 11 being too high for a receiver?


Will be a different world in the NFL for Smith. I feel the same way. He will have a hard time against press at the next level. I think he’s there at 11 and the Giants do not take him.
RE: RE: I agree, Smith will be there...  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15227654 Producer said:
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and I think he's going to be one of two players to drop in this draft. The other is Mac Jones. I'm still not convinced he's even top 25, let alone a top 5 talent.

But back to Smith - I hope we still pass on him if he's there at #11. The odds of hitting on a first round WR are close to only 25%. And I just don't trust Smith's body type. So I hope we go in a different direction.



It would be a fun selection. Slater might be a better one. I can get behind both.


Was in Mock Draft tonight and Top 10 went Lawrence, Wilson, Jones, Pitts, Sewell, Chase, Washington trading up for Lance, Slater, Parsons, Surtain
RE: RE: RE: Yes, I think he will be there;  
Capt. Don : 4/20/2021 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15227661 Doubledeuce22 said:
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and, no, I don't think we'll take him. Under 170 lbs. is gonna result in him dropping. Injury risk, ability to defeat press coverage, plus sub-par blocking are the concerns.

Don't get me wrong - he is a great player and will prob have a good career. But #11 is awfully high for a WR that small.



Injury risk for a WR that has no history of injury?

Press coverage? You clearly haven't watched him. He has a great release. If it was so easy to press him, how did he dominate the best conference in college football?

Blocking is a reason you contribute to 11 being too high for a receiver?



Will be a different world in the NFL for Smith. I feel the same way. He will have a hard time against press at the next level. I think he’s there at 11 and the Giants do not take him.


Using that logic every WR will have have trouble with press. He consistently beat press at a high level against the best competition.

Have you actually watched him play against press? Or are you just saying this because of his weight?
When I was checking out  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/20/2021 10:10 pm : link
The Detroit Lions fan boards a couple of weeks ago, I did notice that their Waddle/Smith split was more Waddle than what we have on BBI. They were also concerned about drafting another TE high in the draft since they’ve done it way more than anyone else recently. But they do like Hockenson and think Pitts could fit with their structure.

I don’t think Smith will be WR2 if the Giants draft him; unless there’s a trade up. I think he has the highest ceiling of any skill player in the draft so I want him at 11, Waddle scares me.

Golladay being both a deep threat and a red zone threat is so damn important. Gotta hope he delivers on the contract the Giants gave him.
Smith Will Be There  
Trainmaster : 4/20/2021 10:16 pm : link
And I really, really hope we pass on him. WR is the deepest position in this draft.

If no good trade down offers are available take the best OL or CB at #11 unless they really like Parsons or one of the Edge guys at #11. Go WR in round 2 or even round 3.



Can’t argue with production, that’s for sure....  
Simms11 : 4/20/2021 10:27 pm : link
I wouldn’t mind that pick at all!
RE: Smith Will Be There  
section125 : 4/20/2021 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15227694 Trainmaster said:
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And I really, really hope we pass on him. WR is the deepest position in this draft.

If no good trade down offers are available take the best OL or CB at #11 unless they really like Parsons or one of the Edge guys at #11. Go WR in round 2 or even round 3.




I'm oppo, take the great WR at #11 and OL at 42. But somewhere there will be an edge...
I recently heard the NFL adage  
NYRiese : 4/20/2021 10:37 pm : link
“ You never, ever pass on the opportunity to draft a blue chip player”, but blue chip is vaguely defined and what if there are more than one “blue chip”.
I think the Giants are waiting to see if a “blue chip” will be available to them, thus no trade down unless....
If he is available that's good  
giantstock : 4/20/2021 10:50 pm : link
Because I don't like what I'm feeling and that's that at 11 they'll take Paye. I don't hate it.

But if Smith is available I think they'd go for it. And I prefer him over Paye.
RE: ...  
eric2425ny : 4/20/2021 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15227582 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think he's there. And I'd be shocked if we didn't take him.


I hope you are right man. Would love to see him in a Giants uniform.
All in on Smith  
Southern Man : 4/20/2021 11:59 pm : link
if available. We'd be lucky to get him.
Here's the thing  
allstarjim : 4/21/2021 12:01 am : link
BBI is over-valuing him. Gettleman is under-valueing him. Which means he'll likely go to the Eagles, Chargers, or Vikings.

I definitely belive Waddle is the superior player and pick, for the record. And my guess is the NY Giants will wind up with neither.
It's a deep WR class  
GMen72 : 4/21/2021 12:35 am : link
The real question is why Smith over Waddle? Before his injury, Waddle was the man for Bama and Heisman favorite. Smith only became what he did after Waddle's injury. Good chance the Eagles take Waddle after us and get the better WR.
Yes and Yes.  
Giant John : 4/21/2021 5:40 am : link
Think he will be there. Yes we will take him. Crazy not to.
Oh and go read  
Giant John : 4/21/2021 5:49 am : link
Sky’s review of him.
I think he will be  
jeff57 : 4/21/2021 5:58 am : link
But a lot depends on who Detroit chooses.
I love Smith's talent  
Beer Man : 4/21/2021 6:06 am : link
But with his frame I see the second coming of OBJ (i.e., talented explosive WR, that can't be counted on to stay healthy an entire season)
Let's not f around.  
flicker, flea : 4/21/2021 6:30 am : link
If Smith is there, take him. Don't reach for an EDGE, don't overdraft an OL, don't move back. Put him in blue, let him fill out, and watch the production stack up. Pass rusher and help for Jones if the value is there in Rd 2 and 3.
I agree with Flea Flicker 100%. Plus hate to see Philly snatch him  
BBWreckingCrew : 4/21/2021 7:13 am : link
up and then terrorizes us for next 8 Years. If there run to podium.
This kid is not OBJ by a long stretch.  
Giant John : 4/21/2021 7:54 am : link
As another just said don’t f. Around. If he is there run don’t walk to the podium. In fact I’d consider taking up to get him.
RE: It's a deep WR class  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2021 8:12 am : link
In comment 15227741 GMen72 said:
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The real question is why Smith over Waddle? Before his injury, Waddle was the man for Bama and Heisman favorite. Smith only became what he did after Waddle's injury. Good chance the Eagles take Waddle after us and get the better WR.
Smith out performed Waddle the last two games before Waddle’s injury.
Very interesting  
JonC : 4/21/2021 8:18 am : link
I think he'll be gone, but if he's there I think NYG picks him.
I think the chances Smith is there at 11  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2021 8:26 am : link
is greater than he isn't...
RE: RE: It's a deep WR class  
Dr. D : 4/21/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15227815 GoDeep13 said:
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The real question is why Smith over Waddle? Before his injury, Waddle was the man for Bama and Heisman favorite. Smith only became what he did after Waddle's injury. Good chance the Eagles take Waddle after us and get the better WR.

Smith out performed Waddle the last two games before Waddle’s injury.

"Facts are stubborn things".

- John Adams
RE: RE: It's a deep WR class  
Dr. D : 4/21/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15227815 GoDeep13 said:
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Smith out performed Waddle the last two games before Waddle’s injury.

I'm kind of torn about Smith. It's a deep draft for WR, ideally I'd like to trade down, get an Edge/OLB and get a WR in the 2nd.

But Smith sure did perform when Bama needed him. Seems like he averaged about 3 TDs a game after they lost Waddle, despite their opponents surely game planning to stop him.
RE: Very interesting  
Sammo85 : 4/21/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15227818 JonC said:
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I think he'll be gone, but if he's there I think NYG picks him.


Agreed on latter. Former - it really depends if somebody is ga-ga on him behind us and trades up. I'd take Smith there, but I'm kind of on the trade down bandwagon if he isn't. I don't like forcing an edge pick there if we can get same player or choice of players back at 15,16 or even as far down as 20-21, depending on haul in return.

If Eagles trade up for him, he's going to be wasted there. Eagles are heading into a period where i really doubt they'll be good for awhile given their disarray and roster depletion/cap and QB issues.
RE: RE: Very interesting  
JonC : 4/21/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15227988 Sammo85 said:
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I think he'll be gone, but if he's there I think NYG picks him.



Agreed on latter. Former - it really depends if somebody is ga-ga on him behind us and trades up. I'd take Smith there, but I'm kind of on the trade down bandwagon if he isn't. I don't like forcing an edge pick there if we can get same player or choice of players back at 15,16 or even as far down as 20-21, depending on haul in return.

If Eagles trade up for him, he's going to be wasted there. Eagles are heading into a period where i really doubt they'll be good for awhile given their disarray and roster depletion/cap and QB issues.


You hearing Paye too? I think the Vikes at #14 would be looking at him, that's the issue for trading down if they want Paye, imv. I think Ojulari would be a later round 1 contingency. Not heard about Phillips' medicals yet, he'd be the guy if the concussions somehow were deemed ok. Hear anything on him?
Miami, Detroit or a trade up  
illmatic : 4/21/2021 12:03 pm : link
are the main things to worry about. Cant really see him going elsewhere. I’d be tempted to say the Giants should trade up to 8 for him but I don’t think I could do it just because the WR position is so deep in this class.
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GMen72 : 4/21/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15227861 Dr. D said:
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The real question is why Smith over Waddle? Before his injury, Waddle was the man for Bama and Heisman favorite. Smith only became what he did after Waddle's injury. Good chance the Eagles take Waddle after us and get the better WR.

Smith out performed Waddle the last two games before Waddle’s injury.


"Facts are stubborn things".

- John Adams


Yes, let's base a 1st round pick on 2 games. Waddle's overall numbers were better when he got hurt and he was getting more Heisman hype. Those are the facts.
Eagles  
GeoMan999 : 4/21/2021 1:13 pm : link
I would not be surprised if the Eagles traded with the Cowboys and took Smith. Is there any downside for the Cowboys if they want Surtain?
RE: Eagles  
armstead98 : 4/21/2021 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15228309 GeoMan999 said:
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I would not be surprised if the Eagles traded with the Cowboys and took Smith. Is there any downside for the Cowboys if they want Surtain?


The Giants might take him. Current discussions of Paye assume Surtain is off the board.
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