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Daniel Jeremiah was pretty adamant about the Giants going O

Anakim : 4/22/2021 6:54 pm
On the beginning of Path to the Draft tonight, there was a segment on what will assuredly happen on draft night (aside from the Jaguars taking Trevor Lawrence first overall). Jeremiah went first and said that Gettleman will draft an offensive player to help DJ and the anemic Giants offense. He mentioned the two Bama WRs and Rashawn Slater.


Not sure it was anything but speculation, but Jeremiah seemed pretty confident that Gettleman will draft an offensive player at #11 to help DJ
Thanks For The Report  
Trainmaster : 4/22/2021 7:01 pm : link
but really, who in the Giants org would talk to him or anyone else about their plans?

However, obviously in the Reese/Ross era, there seem to have been multiple "leaks" (Leonard Floyd interest etc), so who knows I guess.
Well, he's got a 50% chance of being right.  
Red Dog : 4/22/2021 7:07 pm : link
And as Murphy Law says, when your chances are 50-50, you'll be wrong nine times out of ten.
If they go the other way, then  
George from PA : 4/22/2021 7:11 pm : link
What a mistake the Giants committed!!!
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2021 7:12 pm : link
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Gettleman's draft preference list last night.
RE: Well, he's got a 50% chance of being right.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/22/2021 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15230609 Red Dog said:
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And as Murphy Law says, when your chances are 50-50, you'll be wrong nine times out of ten.


Are you sure it was Murphy and not Yogi?
From the insiders, this seems like a foregone conclusion unless  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/22/2021 7:21 pm : link
offered a good trade down opportunity, or the draft breaks in a very unlikely way (Smith, Pitts, Sewell, and Waddle all off the board).
He probably has no more inffo  
chopperhatch : 4/22/2021 7:32 pm : link
Than what Colin reported today. I think he suggested offense x 3 with the first 3 picks? I could be mistaken. But it seems like the defense was already at a good spot at seasons end, we added to it and the offense (even tho we spent money on KG and Booker, needs new personnel. I dont think the Giants have any faith in WH. I think they view Lemieux as a nice back up or project, but this line is not finished and this is a make or break year.

I can understand DJ not needing inside info to come to this conclusion. I think if Slater, Smith, Parsons and Paye are all there, I think the Giants happily take Smith. I think there are plenty of WRs in the draft that can be very good, but Smith is always open and has great hands.

The only other thing is that the Giants could have a choice of any of the best D players in the draft. Even if the Cowboys take Surtain, the Giants could get the most gifted corner in over a decade in Horn. I think I would prefer this route to be honest, draft a WR at 42, and get a Guard in rd. 3.

I honestly cant see us making a BAD pick. Drafting Rousseau or Phillips would be that IMO.
He's confident because it is obvious. The Giant's offense is anemic.  
Marty in Albany : 4/22/2021 7:35 pm : link
Also, because in Jeremiah's list of the top 50 players, 10 of the first 12 players play on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Giants dont want to pick an offensive player,  
CV36 : 4/22/2021 7:37 pm : link
Who’s gonna stop them?
These guys  
allstarjim : 4/22/2021 8:05 pm : link
Aren't reporting news. It's just TV entertainment. Some producer is like, "let's make a segment called, 'Stone Cold Locks,' and then all you guys give your stone cold lock prediction of what you think will happen in the first round." Then they just come up with whatever.

I respect Jeremiah and his logic is sound, but if you think he's plugged in to the Giants thinking either directly or indirectly, you're kidding yourself. It's all about the eyeballs and clicks.
The "we have to do X to help Jones" trope is really old  
Go Terps : 4/22/2021 8:07 pm : link
Absurd way to approach an offseason.
RE: The  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.


Why?
RE: The  
Angel Eyes : 4/22/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.

So how do you propose to approach it? If you’re looking to get a new quarterback this offseason, too bad; not gonna happen. We got a lot of holes on the team and trading up to get one in the draft has a high chance of making the team lose chances to fill those holes. Why not give Jones a year to prove himself with a year of improved talent before thinking about jettisoning him?
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Go Terps : 4/22/2021 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15230699 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Why?


Because what is he just sucks? What if he gets hurt? What if we can get a better quarterback next week? What if the best three players on the board are defenders?

There are any number of potential reasons it doesn't make sense as a team building strategy. It's less a strategy than it is just chasing a desired (unlikely) outcome.
Go Terps.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2021 8:22 pm : link
I respect your opinions, but this idea the Giants helping Jones out is 'absurd' is logic I don't follow. It makes sense for them to help out a QB they apparently think highly of, whether you or I agree.
RE: The  
bw in dc : 4/22/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.


Buckle in my friend. If Jones struggles this year, expect the same approach for '22 - get even more infantry for Jones...

Pretty sure  
Sammo85 : 4/22/2021 8:23 pm : link
Jeremiah called the Daniel Jones pick two years ago.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2021 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15230718 bw in dc said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Buckle in my friend. If Jones struggles this year, expect the same approach for '22 - get even more infantry for Jones...


No. I think if Jones sucks this season, cut bait. I'm in the sink or swim camp for him this fall.
There is no question that the Giants will take  
Bill in UT : 4/22/2021 8:27 pm : link
either a WR, Pitts, or an OL at 11. Unless they take and ER, LB or CB
RE: The  
chopperhatch : 4/22/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.


Weird...Terps cant keep woth his horse shit agenda being proven wrong over not just years but decades!

Did Baltimore not do it for Jackson?
Did Cleveland not do it for Mayfield?
Did Seattle not do it for Wilson when the defense started going downhill?
Did Dallas not do it for Romo AND Dak?
Did the Bills not do it for Allen?
Did the cards not do it for Murray?
Did the Bears not TRY to do it for Trubisky?
Did the Saints not do it for Brees?
Did the fucking Super Bowl champion Bucs not do it for Tom Brady?


You are so locked into being a total piece of shit on this board, you post before considering what else is happening around the league. Utterly clueless when it comes to perspective.
Trying to go offense  
BSIMatt : 4/22/2021 8:35 pm : link
in a draft that seems top heavy with offensive talent, for a team that finished 31st in scoring...seems logical way to help the team(not just the quarterback). There's a high chance that an offensive player will be BPA at 11.
I still think there’s a good chance Paye is the pick..  
Sean : 4/22/2021 8:36 pm : link
but, I’d imagine Smith would be the first choice and BPA on their board if available.
I think the Giants want clarity on Jones..  
Sean : 4/22/2021 8:37 pm : link
Loading up the offense helps provide that. Something the Jets never did for Darnold to be honest.
RE: I still think there’s a good chance Paye is the pick..  
chopperhatch : 4/22/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15230738 Sean said:
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but, I’d imagine Smith would be the first choice and BPA on their board if available.


If they are both on the board, it will be an interesting decision and one that will lead to tins of screaming by the BBI experts. I kinda hope its Paye to make bw whine for 5 months....but then again I hope its Smith so that I dont have to read bw whine for 5 months. Then again, I just hope Slater busts so that bw cant go the "I told you so" route for a whole year.
RE: The  
Chris684 : 4/22/2021 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.


Yea, what franchise doesn’t want to support their starting QB?

I forgot guys like Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are doing the things they’re doing with a bunch of street free agents.

RE: There is no question that the Giants will take  
River Mike : 4/22/2021 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15230724 Bill in UT said:
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either a WR, Pitts, or an OL at 11. Unless they take and ER, LB or CB


Or trade down and take a defensive tackle
RE: The  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.


It’s a throw away line. Forget the QB for a second, shouldn’t we still improve our WR and OL? What’s the plan post Engram?

Check out the draft buzz in Seattle, they NEED to upgrade their OL and “get RW some help”.
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BSIMatt : 4/22/2021 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15230746 Chris684 said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Yea, what franchise doesn’t want to support their starting QB?

I forgot guys like Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are doing the things they’re doing with a bunch of street free agents.


Jerry apparently still wants to help Dak out by trading up for Pitts, team building team shmuilding.
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Chris684 : 4/22/2021 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15230750 UConn4523 said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



It’s a throw away line. Forget the QB for a second, shouldn’t we still improve our WR and OL? What’s the plan post Engram?

Check out the draft buzz in Seattle, they NEED to upgrade their OL and “get RW some help”.


I’ve been on a few threads in the last 24 hours but between bw and Terps the following things have been stated as fact.

John Mara was negligent in his pursuit of Bill B. because he was too worried about hurting Chris Mara’s feelings.

The Giants will draft Paye basically only because it’s a safe pick and will be a mistake.

And now this beauty that of the Giants are in fact focusing on improving Jones’s surrounding environment that it’s an absurd plan for the offseason.

All I can think of are those old Guinness commercials with those guys with hunks of cheese on their heads saying “Brilliant!”. It’s comical at this point.
Remember when Josh Allen needed help?  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 9:05 pm : link
Remember when the Colts never helped Luck?
Remember when the Cardinals front office was applauded for trading for Hopkins, and also might take Waddle/Smith?

Jones needs to be better but good fucking lord, taking a WR doesn’t just impact him, it impacts the team. If Jones sucks and isn’t our QB in 2022, does the WR we draft at 11 get cut?

Aren’t you guys bored of complaining?
RE: Go Terps.  
WillVAB : 4/22/2021 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15230717 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I respect your opinions, but this idea the Giants helping Jones out is 'absurd' is logic I don't follow. It makes sense for them to help out a QB they apparently think highly of, whether you or I agree.


The goal should be winning and setting the organization up for sustained success. Drafting to “help the QB out” doesn’t automatically align with those goals.
RE: Remember when Josh Allen needed help?  
chopperhatch : 4/22/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15230777 UConn4523 said:
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Remember when the Colts never helped Luck?
Remember when the Cardinals front office was applauded for trading for Hopkins, and also might take Waddle/Smith?

Jones needs to be better but good fucking lord, taking a WR doesn’t just impact him, it impacts the team. If Jones sucks and isn’t our QB in 2022, does the WR we draft at 11 get cut?

Aren’t you guys bored of complaining?


Couldve saved time on your post....the answer is NO. One more question would be "aren't you guys tired of pissing off the entire board?" Answer would also be no because they arent at risk of getting a beer dumped on their heads.
RE: RE: Go Terps.  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15230779 WillVAB said:
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I respect your opinions, but this idea the Giants helping Jones out is 'absurd' is logic I don't follow. It makes sense for them to help out a QB they apparently think highly of, whether you or I agree.



The goal should be winning and setting the organization up for sustained success. Drafting to “help the QB out” doesn’t automatically align with those goals.


So anyone we take on offense doesn’t set us up for sustained success?
RE: RE: RE: Go Terps.  
WillVAB : 4/22/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15230787 UConn4523 said:
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I respect your opinions, but this idea the Giants helping Jones out is 'absurd' is logic I don't follow. It makes sense for them to help out a QB they apparently think highly of, whether you or I agree.



The goal should be winning and setting the organization up for sustained success. Drafting to “help the QB out” doesn’t automatically align with those goals.



So anyone we take on offense doesn’t set us up for sustained success?


Did I say that?
I'm not sure where he got his info,  
Rico : 4/22/2021 9:17 pm : link
But he's right.
I asked the question so you tell me  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 9:17 pm : link
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RE: I'm not sure where he got his info,  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/22/2021 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15230793 Rico said:
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But he's right.


Even if Smith is gone?
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santacruzom : 4/22/2021 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15230746 Chris684 said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Yea, what franchise doesn’t want to support their starting QB?

I forgot guys like Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are doing the things they’re doing with a bunch of street free agents.


Supporting the QB and acquiring assets to help the offense is one thing, and no one would argue against it. But the idea that the primary goal for this offeason should be to acquire weapons for the sake of determining if Jones is a keeper is silly, and not likely to be the Giants' idea.
Providing Jones with weapons  
JonC : 4/22/2021 9:27 pm : link
doesn't mean they drafted the best players. That's the crux of it. Even drafting the bpa at positions if need doesn't mean they drafted the best players.
We like several receivers,  
Rico : 4/22/2021 9:28 pm : link
and Slater is in the mix more than he seemed to be a month ago.
I'm not opposed to taking an offensive player  
Go Terps : 4/22/2021 9:28 pm : link
The point is that 2021 should not solely be about Jones's development, or "what we have in him". It's on him to prove he's the guy; not on the Giants to give him many chances to fail.

It sounds like they're focused on chasing a desired outcome with this player rather than considering various options and selecting the best one. If that's what they're indeed doing, the process is flawed and they'll likely keep losing.
RE: We like several receivers,  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/22/2021 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15230804 Rico said:
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and Slater is in the mix more than he seemed to be a month ago.


Now that would be GOLD. Slater as a back up to the top receivers is EXACTLY what this offense could use. A plug and play potential pro bowl OG with OT versatility .
If the Slater comp is Zack Martin..  
Sean : 4/22/2021 9:32 pm : link
That would be a very strong pick.
You absolutely take an offensive player  
Saquon'sQuadz : 4/22/2021 9:33 pm : link
at 11. Very likely Smith or Waddle will be there
RE: I asked the question so you tell me  
WillVAB : 4/22/2021 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15230794 UConn4523 said:
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The trenches on both sides are a good investment for sustained success regardless of the QB situation. I wouldn’t call drafting OL to “help the QB out.” It’s a prerequisite to winning imv. The OL investment would last well beyond Jones if he isn’t the guy.

What I would take issue with is the FO burning premium picks on toys “to see what they have in Jones.” That mindset shouldn’t be the driving force behind the decision making, and it could lead to passing on guys who could set this team up to win championships in favor of boosting Jones fantasy stats.
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bw in dc : 4/22/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15230722 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Buckle in my friend. If Jones struggles this year, expect the same approach for '22 - get even more infantry for Jones...


No. I think if Jones sucks this season, cut bait. I'm in the sink or swim camp for him this fall.


There isn't much consensus at BBI, but I think most agree that this should be a make or break year for Jones. But based on some Asshat suggestions, and the way Mara and Gettleman have seemed so confident when speaking about Jones, I believe Jones is on solid ground through '22.

They really don't want to be wrong on Jones and will spare no expense going forward to prove that. So if the parts they bring in this year don't yield better results, expect a doubling down in '22.

Look, I'm actually fine with that approach this year because the excuses are exhausting. You see, I expected the 6th pick in the draft to be a player who could lift the play of others. And that's clearly an outlier position here at BBI. Jones is apparently just another spoke in the wheel; and is no more important than any other position.

RE: RE: We like several receivers,  
chopperhatch : 4/22/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15230807 Judge_and_Jury said:
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and Slater is in the mix more than he seemed to be a month ago.



Now that would be GOLD. Slater as a back up to the top receivers is EXACTLY what this offense could use. A plug and play potential pro bowl OG with OT versatility .



I take the pro bowl guard over the receiver any day of the week. We have 3 bonafide receivers, a TE who has been disappointing but has great physical traits. Another vet TE and a difference maker at RB. I would personally LOVE Slater. I would love OL in rounds 1 and 2.
RE: We like several receivers,  
bw in dc : 4/22/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15230804 Rico said:
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and Slater is in the mix more than he seemed to be a month ago.


From today's presser with Gettleman:

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No, you’re always looking to upgrade every position, doesn’t make a difference. Whether it’s wide receiver, tackle, whatever. You’re always looking to upgrade.


I thought it was sort of interesting how he specifically mentioned the WR and T positions. Freudian slip? ;)

RE: We like several receivers,  
Jimmy Googs : 4/22/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15230804 Rico said:
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and Slater is in the mix more than he seemed to be a month ago.


Thanks man. Look forward to hearing more updates if able.
RE: The  
Rjanyg : 4/22/2021 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15230693 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.


Totally agree. We signed Golladay, Ross, Rudolph, Booker, Sutton, still have Barkley, Engram, Shepard, Slayton and drafted 3 OL last year. They act like the cupboard is bare.

Also, we need to remember that players like Toomer, Barber, Jacobs Bradshaw, Bavaro, Morris were not 1st rounds picks. We have a deep WR and OL draft.

Selecting a defensive player in round 1 is not a bad idea or does it mean we are trying make DJ fail.
The idea we’re drafting of offense to “help Jones out” is BS  
BillT : 4/22/2021 9:57 pm : link
We’re likely drafting offense because we have a very thin WR corps, a not yet finished OL and need young talent at TE. The defense, on the other hand, is a far more complete unit. Is that enough reasons.
RE: If the Slater comp is Zack Martin..  
bw in dc : 4/22/2021 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15230808 Sean said:
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That would be a very strong pick.


He's not quite Martin at G yet. But he's very likely a Pro Bowl G and the ability to be a Pro Bowl T.

Seriously, go watch the video of his game last year against Chase Young. He completely stoned him.
RE: We like several receivers,  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/22/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15230804 Rico said:
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and Slater is in the mix more than he seemed to be a month ago.


You think the Slater stuff is more about sending a smokescreen than actual interest? Feels off he’d just start being talked about with interest. He’s been bandied about in top 15 since the process started. I thought the thinking was the like the post first day IOL prospects.
the strength of the draft is WR (early) and Oline (throughout)  
GiantsFan84 : 4/22/2021 10:03 pm : link
two weak areas on the giants. this is a no brainer for the first round. any of Smith, Waddle, Slater and Vera-Tucker are super solid picks. Slater and Tucker have the added bonus of potentially being excellent OTs in the event Peart doesn't work out

i'd love for this team to grab 2 OL and 2 WR with their first 4 picks. Smith and Terry at WR w their 1 and 4, and two solid interior OL with their 2 and 3 is my preference

then throw some darts on athletic late round RBs or CBs

this team won't start winning games consistently until this offense turns around
RE: I'm not opposed to taking an offensive player  
Bill L : 4/22/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15230805 Go Terps said:
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The point is that 2021 should not solely be about Jones's development, or "what we have in him". It's on him to prove he's the guy; not on the Giants to give him many chances to fail.

It sounds like they're focused on chasing a desired outcome with this player rather than considering various options and selecting the best one. If that's what they're indeed doing, the process is flawed and they'll likely keep losing.

Then you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I don’t think that there is an offensive player you could draft that isn’t supposed to help the qb out.
RE: RE: I'm not opposed to taking an offensive player  
Eric on Li : 4/22/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15230845 Bill L said:
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The point is that 2021 should not solely be about Jones's development, or "what we have in him". It's on him to prove he's the guy; not on the Giants to give him many chances to fail.

It sounds like they're focused on chasing a desired outcome with this player rather than considering various options and selecting the best one. If that's what they're indeed doing, the process is flawed and they'll likely keep losing.


Then you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I don’t think that there is an offensive player you could draft that isn’t supposed to help the qb out.


The best way to help Jones would be to pick a new QB.
That’s not going to help Jones  
Jimmy Googs : 4/22/2021 10:13 pm : link
now is it?
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UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15230811 WillVAB said:
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The trenches on both sides are a good investment for sustained success regardless of the QB situation. I wouldn’t call drafting OL to “help the QB out.” It’s a prerequisite to winning imv. The OL investment would last well beyond Jones if he isn’t the guy.

What I would take issue with is the FO burning premium picks on toys “to see what they have in Jones.” That mindset shouldn’t be the driving force behind the decision making, and it could lead to passing on guys who could set this team up to win championships in favor of boosting Jones fantasy stats.


Sounds like your mind is made up on what the reasoning for taking WR would be should we go that route. No sense continuing this conversation.
It’s odd that he thinks that a premium WR  
Bill L : 4/22/2021 10:26 pm : link
Would leave if Jones left.
Terps  
ryanmkeane : 4/22/2021 10:30 pm : link
And what if Smith, Waddle, and Slater are higher rated than the defensive prospects, would it make sense then?

You really are so brutal. Go root for another team man. Seriously.
Funniest part about this thread  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 10:34 pm : link
is that there couldn’t be a better way to approach quotes a week ahead of the draft than “don’t believe everything you read”, well
except for this one.
RE: Well, he's got a 50% chance of being right.  
BestFeature : 4/22/2021 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15230609 Red Dog said:
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And as Murphy Law says, when your chances are 50-50, you'll be wrong nine times out of ten.


What if they go kicker?
Since when is  
ryanmkeane : 4/22/2021 10:41 pm : link
“Just take OL” a good strategy? What if Smith is Marvin Harrison? Wouldn’t we want that over a guard?
RE: Terps  
Jimmy Googs : 4/22/2021 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15230858 ryanmkeane said:
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And what if Smith, Waddle, and Slater are higher rated than the defensive prospects, would it make sense then?

You really are so brutal. Go root for another team man. Seriously.


More nuanced conversation?
RE: RE: RE: I'm not opposed to taking an offensive player  
Angel Eyes : 4/22/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15230847 Eric on Li said:
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The point is that 2021 should not solely be about Jones's development, or "what we have in him". It's on him to prove he's the guy; not on the Giants to give him many chances to fail.

It sounds like they're focused on chasing a desired outcome with this player rather than considering various options and selecting the best one. If that's what they're indeed doing, the process is flawed and they'll likely keep losing.


Then you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I don’t think that there is an offensive player you could draft that isn’t supposed to help the qb out.



The best way to help Jones would be to pick a new QB.

You’re a liar. How’s that supposed to help Jones be a better quarterback if he’s being left without a team?
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Eric on Li : 4/22/2021 10:46 pm : link
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The point is that 2021 should not solely be about Jones's development, or "what we have in him". It's on him to prove he's the guy; not on the Giants to give him many chances to fail.

It sounds like they're focused on chasing a desired outcome with this player rather than considering various options and selecting the best one. If that's what they're indeed doing, the process is flawed and they'll likely keep losing.


Then you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I don’t think that there is an offensive player you could draft that isn’t supposed to help the qb out.



The best way to help Jones would be to pick a new QB.


You’re a liar. How’s that supposed to help Jones be a better quarterback if he’s being left without a team?


Competition. Iron sharpens iron.
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Angel Eyes : 4/22/2021 10:49 pm : link
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The point is that 2021 should not solely be about Jones's development, or "what we have in him". It's on him to prove he's the guy; not on the Giants to give him many chances to fail.

It sounds like they're focused on chasing a desired outcome with this player rather than considering various options and selecting the best one. If that's what they're indeed doing, the process is flawed and they'll likely keep losing.


Then you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. I don’t think that there is an offensive player you could draft that isn’t supposed to help the qb out.



The best way to help Jones would be to pick a new QB.


You’re a liar. How’s that supposed to help Jones be a better quarterback if he’s being left without a team?



Competition. Iron sharpens iron.

Whoever the next quarterback is not on the roster and how much are you willing to give up to get a quarterback?

However, I actually suggested the same approach by drafting Slater. Got shouted down.
RE: Since when is  
bw in dc : 4/22/2021 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15230870 ryanmkeane said:
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“Just take OL” a good strategy? What if Smith is Marvin Harrison? Wouldn’t we want that over a guard?


Well, I think it's fairly well established that if Jones doesn't have more time to throw - because that's what he seems to need - it's not going to matter if we have Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison.

We need to build a better wall so Jones can have more time to process. Because right now that doesn't seem to be his strength, so we need to upgrade. And it's always a better bet in round one to take the OL.
I don't actually think drafting a QB would be helpful for Jones  
Eric on Li : 4/22/2021 10:55 pm : link
that was satire gone awry I guess.
RE: Funniest part about this thread  
Go Terps : 4/22/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15230862 UConn4523 said:
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is that there couldn’t be a better way to approach quotes a week ahead of the draft than “don’t believe everything you read”, well
except for this one.


Please with this GM you can see the moves a mile away. We haven't had to wait for him to tell us he was in full bloom love with someone.

This is not a GM (or organization) that stays open to options and lets the draft come to them. It falls in love with players, and it locks in on approaches. That's the order of the day.

There isn't a grade low enough to assign to this organization when it comes to resource optimization.
bw  
ryanmkeane : 4/22/2021 11:17 pm : link
We took Ereck Flowers 9th overall. We took Justin Pugh in the first round and Richburg in the 2nd. Taking OL has the same amount of “this player might not work out” as any other position. You need to find the right player.

People are just automatically saying that Slater will be a pro bowl guard. There is zero evidence to support this, we are just hoping that it’s true.

I’m all for OL, but fans are gonna be disappointed to learn that plenty of OL are out of the league early in their careers, just like any other position.
Atlanta and Dallas are in love with Pitts  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2021 11:18 pm : link
Miami is in love with Chase. Giants love Smith and Paye apparently. I’m sure there’s others.

Don’t remember hearing about being in love with Thomas but what do I know.
RE: RE: Funniest part about this thread  
BleedBlue : 4/22/2021 11:38 pm : link
In comment 15230892 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15230862 UConn4523 said:


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is that there couldn’t be a better way to approach quotes a week ahead of the draft than “don’t believe everything you read”, well
except for this one.



Please with this GM you can see the moves a mile away. We haven't had to wait for him to tell us he was in full bloom love with someone.

This is not a GM (or organization) that stays open to options and lets the draft come to them. It falls in love with players, and it locks in on approaches. That's the order of the day.

There isn't a grade low enough to assign to this organization when it comes to resource optimization.


Youre unbearable to the point where im gonna assume youre trolling the board. Id lrobably donate a years cost to run the forum if it meant banning you for said year
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 4/23/2021 12:00 am : link
In comment 15230902 ryanmkeane said:
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We took Ereck Flowers 9th overall. We took Justin Pugh in the first round and Richburg in the 2nd. Taking OL has the same amount of “this player might not work out” as any other position. You need to find the right player.

People are just automatically saying that Slater will be a pro bowl guard. There is zero evidence to support this, we are just hoping that it’s true.

I’m all for OL, but fans are gonna be disappointed to learn that plenty of OL are out of the league early in their careers, just like any other position.


I haven't seen anyone saying Slater or, for that matter, Sewell are sure things. So I'm not sure where you are reading the "automatic" part. Not from me. Now, I think Slater has the goods to get there and I'm willing to take that bet.

And so what if Flowers or Pugh were misses. BFD. We shouldn't have the yips because of the failures of the past administrations. These guys are handsomely compensated to get it right. Time to step it up. And there seems to be a pretty reputable consensus - including our very on Sy - that Slater is a worthwhile investment. Which is good enough for me because I like what I have seen in the guy's play, too.

I would have been perfectly fine letting LW go and signing OLs on the free agency market who are proven commodities. But everyone was so gung ho on keeping LW that we missed on some good opportunities that would have made more financial sense. Careful what you wish for...

So now it's onto the draft to find solutions for problem that has existed for a decade...
RE: RE: The  
OBJ_AllDay : 4/23/2021 12:31 am : link
In comment 15230746 Chris684 said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Yea, what franchise doesn’t want to support their starting QB?

I forgot guys like Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are doing the things they’re doing with a bunch of street free agents.


The top 2 qbs of a 30+ team league can do it so everyone can do it argument! No mention of Green Bay’s phenomenal offensive line too. Apples and oranges
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OBJ_AllDay : 4/23/2021 12:33 am : link
If smith is there at 11 he’s the best player on the board.
If Smith is gone  
BigBlueCane : 4/23/2021 4:31 am : link
then I would happily take Slater.
This draft is so deep at OL  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/23/2021 4:43 am : link
And what we are going for at OL is not quite a guy who projects as a top tackle. Tackles usually go before guards. I think we can get a very good OG maybe even with at least RT versatility at 42.

Meaning if Smith or Waddle make it to 11 they need to be the pick above any non elite blue chip not named Sewell.
IMO Slater Is Gone Before 11  
pa_giant_fan : 4/23/2021 6:28 am : link
Most likely to Carolina @7. If Smith is the best player @11 you take him Or if possible a trade down for an edge player. But either way you take the best player on your board if available, regardless if its an offensive or defensive player.
RE: RE: RE: The  
giants#1 : 4/23/2021 7:32 am : link
In comment 15230708 Go Terps said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Why?



Because what is he just sucks? What if he gets hurt? What if we can get a better quarterback next week? What if the best three players on the board are defenders?

There are any number of potential reasons it doesn't make sense as a team building strategy. It's less a strategy than it is just chasing a desired (unlikely) outcome.


If he (DJ) sucks...then we have weapons/pieces in place to help the next QB succeed.

If he gets hurt...then the backup QB has a better chance to succeed or keep things afloat in DJ's absence

If there's a better QB available next week...I'm sure they know how the 3rd-5th QBs in this class compare to DJ

If the 3 best players are defenders...well, you're 1 for 4, though from most draft experts, that is very unlikely.
RE: RE: RE: The  
giants#1 : 4/23/2021 7:38 am : link
In comment 15230802 santacruzom said:
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Absurd way to approach an offseason.



Yea, what franchise doesn’t want to support their starting QB?

I forgot guys like Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are doing the things they’re doing with a bunch of street free agents.




Supporting the QB and acquiring assets to help the offense is one thing, and no one would argue against it. But the idea that the primary goal for this offeason should be to acquire weapons for the sake of determining if Jones is a keeper is silly, and not likely to be the Giants' idea.


It's also a bullshit, imaginary argument. They spent more money on the D and prioritized bringing back LW and adding Jackson to the secondary. If it was all about Jones, they could've added one of the top TEs (Henry?) and more OL help for the same cost.
RE: Providing Jones with weapons  
giants#1 : 4/23/2021 7:40 am : link
In comment 15230803 JonC said:
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doesn't mean they drafted the best players. That's the crux of it. Even drafting the bpa at positions if need doesn't mean they drafted the best players.


This I agree with, but by most accounts, the offensive players under consideration (Smith/Waddle/Slater/Pitts, though the latter is a loooooong shot) are likely to be BPA. It sounds much more likely that drafting an ER would be the reach.
I don't know if we'll pull off a trade down  
WillieYoung : 4/23/2021 7:52 am : link
but if we do, it means we're going edge or Parsons in round 1, depending on how far back we go.
RE: RE: Providing Jones with weapons  
JonC : 4/23/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15231005 giants#1 said:
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doesn't mean they drafted the best players. That's the crux of it. Even drafting the bpa at positions if need doesn't mean they drafted the best players.



This I agree with, but by most accounts, the offensive players under consideration (Smith/Waddle/Slater/Pitts, though the latter is a loooooong shot) are likely to be BPA. It sounds much more likely that drafting an ER would be the reach.


Imv, Parsons, Surtain, possibly even Horn are going to be better NFL players than the WRs.
Smith and Waddle were special college players  
JonC : 4/23/2021 9:33 am : link
and have the talent to be special pro players, but they're little dudes, which lowers their value a bit for me. I like Slater but not sure he's a tackle in the NFL, he's a bit undersized relative to most. I like the defenders more. Pitts will be gone.
I'm not thrilled about taking any of these WRs that high.  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2021 9:52 am : link
Like JonC, I am worried about their size, and Waddle already has an injury history. I think one of the D guys or OLs are more worthy.
RE: Smith and Waddle were special college players  
giants#1 : 4/23/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15231140 JonC said:
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and have the talent to be special pro players, but they're little dudes, which lowers their value a bit for me. I like Slater but not sure he's a tackle in the NFL, he's a bit undersized relative to most. I like the defenders more. Pitts will be gone.


That's fair, but I have no idea how much (if any) Parsons the Giants FO will ding Parsons for his other stuff.

Which just leaves the CBs and I think it's likely at least one (likely Surtain) is off the board by #11.

But my main point (not directed at you) was that the Giants going offense at 11 is by no means a "reach". Maybe if they grab Vera-Tucker over the D guys you mention, but that doesn't seem likely. It's more likely Smith/Slater/Waddle or one of the ERs, at least according to the beats/asshats.
There is some chatter out there the Broncos are  
NYGgolfer : 4/23/2021 9:52 am : link
negotiating hard with Atlanta about moving up into the #4 spot. Also rumors about Miami moving yet again, but those sound more like empty comments.

Giants most certainly going with an offensive weapon if available at #11. And unless Judge is pulling all the strings difficult to see conviction to move either.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2021 9:56 am : link
i'll disagree there, i think Smith is going to be special. Not a lot of dudes in the league can move like he can. He was legitimately uncoverable against top competition.
sorry,  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2021 9:57 am : link
i meant i think he will be a better pro than the defenders
RE: RE: Smith and Waddle were special college players  
JonC : 4/23/2021 10:04 am : link
In comment 15231174 giants#1 said:
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and have the talent to be special pro players, but they're little dudes, which lowers their value a bit for me. I like Slater but not sure he's a tackle in the NFL, he's a bit undersized relative to most. I like the defenders more. Pitts will be gone.



That's fair, but I have no idea how much (if any) Parsons the Giants FO will ding Parsons for his other stuff.

Which just leaves the CBs and I think it's likely at least one (likely Surtain) is off the board by #11.

But my main point (not directed at you) was that the Giants going offense at 11 is by no means a "reach". Maybe if they grab Vera-Tucker over the D guys you mention, but that doesn't seem likely. It's more likely Smith/Slater/Waddle or one of the ERs, at least according to the beats/asshats.


I'm admittedly splitting the atom to a small extent here, but I do think the defenders will be better pros, all things considered. Parsons, in particular, is a potential multiple gamechanger on defense. Agree the likely OL options are not ideal in this situation.
Slater may have a frame that can gain some more mass  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/23/2021 10:21 am : link
But his athleticism and technique are already very nuanced. He may not be a people mover/mauler but if you put him at RG in an outside ZBS (supposedly what we prefer with Barkley) vs. a power/gap scheme he is probably very effective year 1 and a potential pro-bowler soon thereafter.

I still take Smith/Waddle first but Slater is not far behind and well ahead of the defenders to me. I like the EDGE guys relative to value in rounds 2-3. At 11 the EDGE carry a bit too many question marks relative to the higher graded WR/OLs.
RE: RE: RE: Smith and Waddle were special college players  
giants#1 : 4/23/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15231184 JonC said:
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I'm admittedly splitting the atom to a small extent here, but I do think the defenders will be better pros, all things considered. Parsons, in particular, is a potential multiple gamechanger on defense. Agree the likely OL options are not ideal in this situation.


Don't watch enough CFB to argue there and I do like Parsons' (on-field) profile. I think he'd be a better, more athletic Fackrell on this D and a nightmare for offenses to deal with alongside Peppers in the big nickel.
RE: Slater may have a frame that can gain some more mass  
chick310 : 4/23/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15231207 Judge_and_Jury said:
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But his athleticism and technique are already very nuanced. He may not be a people mover/mauler but if you put him at RG in an outside ZBS (supposedly what we prefer with Barkley) vs. a power/gap scheme he is probably very effective year 1 and a potential pro-bowler soon thereafter.

I still take Smith/Waddle first but Slater is not far behind and well ahead of the defenders to me. I like the EDGE guys relative to value in rounds 2-3. At 11 the EDGE carry a bit too many question marks relative to the higher graded WR/OLs.


Good post Judge. Agree on all sentiments.
Giants love Smith  
JonC : 4/24/2021 1:21 pm : link
Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.
RE: Giants love Smith  
Klaatu : 4/24/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15232323 JonC said:
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Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.


Well then, I hope they get him. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if this draft ended up looking like the 2014 draft, with a WR in the 1st, IOL in the 2nd, and defender in the 3rd...hopefully with better long-term results, though.
RE: Giants love Smith  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/24/2021 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15232323 JonC said:
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Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.


I just really hope the pivot isn't Paye. Grades on so many guys including OL much higher.
It sounds like the pivot  
JonC : 4/24/2021 2:48 pm : link
is Paye. Sewell the only OL up there.
RE: RE: RE: Funniest part about this thread  
chopperhatch : 4/24/2021 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15230916 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 15230862 UConn4523 said:


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is that there couldn’t be a better way to approach quotes a week ahead of the draft than “don’t believe everything you read”, well
except for this one.



Please with this GM you can see the moves a mile away. We haven't had to wait for him to tell us he was in full bloom love with someone.

This is not a GM (or organization) that stays open to options and lets the draft come to them. It falls in love with players, and it locks in on approaches. That's the order of the day.

There isn't a grade low enough to assign to this organization when it comes to resource optimization.



Youre unbearable to the point where im gonna assume youre trolling the board. Id lrobably donate a years cost to run the forum if it meant banning you for said year


It really has gotten bad. We used to have this guy in my Disco Biscuits circle show up to this annual party summer in party thata nobody invited,wanted there....he was just local, was a part of the scene, new where the party was and which weekend when it was happening and would just show up. He never brought booze for the party but he would around with a bottle of whiskey he would pour himself shots with. He never brought anything for the grill. He would just bring himself.

He was fairly knowledgeable about the band and the music, but also super condescending to those who disagreed with his opinions. He was brutally obnoxious with people new to the music. He had brought his 70 lb pit mix one time who was hovering underneath peoples' plates and just really being annoying. Instead of taking the dog back home, he would slap it on its ass and scream at him.....which was obv very cool. Finally someone just got fed up and straight out asked him "why do you even bother coming here every year? Nobody wants you here." He responded with a snarky crack and some girl grabbed his bottle of whiskey and threw off rhe deck. He was about to call her something awful until he saw all the eyes glaring at him. He indignantly marched out into the backyard and picked up his plastic bottle of whiskey while the music came on again. Instead of leaving he came back in and made it weird, only this time not disciplining his dog. The owner of the house was the polar oppositie of confrontational and most of us just didnt want to start shit by telling him he had to leave. Plus everybody was smoking weed. The guy just stood in the corner and sipped his shitty whiskey....making it weird. Nobody noticed when he dipped out.

Go Terps is Ian C. He says and does the same shit every day and it makes it very unpleasant for everybody he is around, but he doesnt care. He will do whatever he wants only because he can, no matter how many people are tired of him.
RE: RE: Giants love Smith  
Rave7 : 4/24/2021 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15232375 Judge_and_Jury said:
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Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.



I just really hope the pivot isn't Paye. Grades on so many guys including OL much higher.


I think Paye can be the pick if Smith is gone. Paye is not a reach imo, Daniel Jeremiah,Gil Brandt,Dane Brugler and Athletic's consensus big board, he is between 14-19. Not too far from 11 and especially Sy's horizontal ranking, he has same grade (85) as top cb, OL except Sewell. Based on our need at edge I can see Giants think it's good marriage between bpa and need. Also, if Paye is the pick then likely Graham approved the pick which I have to trust.
RE: It sounds like the pivot  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/24/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15232382 JonC said:
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is Paye. Sewell the only OL up there.


Ugh tradedown makes it slightly more palatable but that is a tough pill for what we'd likely be passing up.
RE: RE: It sounds like the pivot  
chopperhatch : 4/24/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15232389 Judge_and_Jury said:
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is Paye. Sewell the only OL up there.



Ugh tradedown makes it slightly more palatable but that is a tough pill for what we'd likely be passing up.


Why? Serious question. He has pretty incredible measurables, is incredibly coachable apparently and he is already a master at playing run. He needs to learn more pass rush technique. Why would you not want that player?
RE: RE: RE: Giants love Smith  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/24/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15232387 Rave7 said:
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Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.



I just really hope the pivot isn't Paye. Grades on so many guys including OL much higher.



I think Paye can be the pick if Smith is gone. Paye is not a reach imo, Daniel Jeremiah,Gil Brandt,Dane Brugler and Athletic's consensus big board, he is between 14-19. Not too far from 11 and especially Sy's horizontal ranking, he has same grade (85) as top cb, OL except Sewell. Based on our need at edge I can see Giants think it's good marriage between bpa and need. Also, if Paye is the pick then likely Graham approved the pick which I have to trust.


Paye is a nice player but not a special one. I see on the high end Jadaveon Clowney. A versatile player who is fairly stout at POA, can make some plays behind the LOS, can pressure the QB some but you are always wishing for more in the pass rush department.

Higher grades on OL, CB and possibly also Waddle and Parsons at that spot. Borderline need based reach pick.
Combineeverything I said with the fact that he wpuld be  
chopperhatch : 4/24/2021 3:06 pm : link
Playing on a loaded and deep D line. He is going to be playing with 2 players that already give OL fits. There is a very good chance his ability allows him to explode on this team at this level.
Combineeverything I said with the fact that he wpuld be  
chopperhatch : 4/24/2021 3:07 pm : link
Playing on a loaded and deep D line. He is going to be playing with 2 players that already give OL fits. There is a very good chance his ability allows him to explode on this team at this level.
RE: Combineeverything I said with the fact that he wpuld be  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/24/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15232398 chopperhatch said:
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Playing on a loaded and deep D line. He is going to be playing with 2 players that already give OL fits. There is a very good chance his ability allows him to explode on this team at this level.


Another good comp for guys who go back a bit would be Kenny Holmes. I see that kind of sack production from him. Would love to be wrong especially if we go that direction but sacking the QB is alot more than being coachable and explosive. Some guys have it (and it usually shows up in College) few develop it. I prefer guys who are more developmental in this department to be 2nd round picks or later.
RE: RE: Combineeverything I said with the fact that he wpuld be  
chopperhatch : 4/24/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15232404 Judge_and_Jury said:
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Playing on a loaded and deep D line. He is going to be playing with 2 players that already give OL fits. There is a very good chance his ability allows him to explode on this team at this level.



Another good comp for guys who go back a bit would be Kenny Holmes. I see that kind of sack production from him. Would love to be wrong especially if we go that direction but sacking the QB is alot more than being coachable and explosive. Some guys have it (and it usually shows up in College) few develop it. I prefer guys who are more developmental in this department to be 2nd round picks or later.


Kenny Holmes could never play the run like Paye can. Paye regualrly diagnosed run plays and then was strong enough to stonewall pulling Guards and still make the play. Watch the All-22 on him.

There is a reason why so many experts like his game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants love Smith  
Rave7 : 4/24/2021 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15232396 Judge_and_Jury said:
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Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.



I just really hope the pivot isn't Paye. Grades on so many guys including OL much higher.



I think Paye can be the pick if Smith is gone. Paye is not a reach imo, Daniel Jeremiah,Gil Brandt,Dane Brugler and Athletic's consensus big board, he is between 14-19. Not too far from 11 and especially Sy's horizontal ranking, he has same grade (85) as top cb, OL except Sewell. Based on our need at edge I can see Giants think it's good marriage between bpa and need. Also, if Paye is the pick then likely Graham approved the pick which I have to trust.



Paye is a nice player but not a special one. I see on the high end Jadaveon Clowney. A versatile player who is fairly stout at POA, can make some plays behind the LOS, can pressure the QB some but you are always wishing for more in the pass rush department.

Higher grades on OL, CB and possibly also Waddle and Parsons at that spot. Borderline need based reach pick.

Higher grades on OL ,CB, Waddle, Parsons? How do we know they have higher grade than Paye?
RE: RE: RE: Combineeverything I said with the fact that he wpuld be  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/24/2021 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15232406 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15232398 chopperhatch said:


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Playing on a loaded and deep D line. He is going to be playing with 2 players that already give OL fits. There is a very good chance his ability allows him to explode on this team at this level.



Another good comp for guys who go back a bit would be Kenny Holmes. I see that kind of sack production from him. Would love to be wrong especially if we go that direction but sacking the QB is alot more than being coachable and explosive. Some guys have it (and it usually shows up in College) few develop it. I prefer guys who are more developmental in this department to be 2nd round picks or later.



Kenny Holmes could never play the run like Paye can. Paye regualrly diagnosed run plays and then was strong enough to stonewall pulling Guards and still make the play. Watch the All-22 on him.

There is a reason why so many experts like his game.


I am not saying he isn't a good player.I think he is. He can play the run, can rush from inside, is fairly stout at POA. A lot to like. However we are basically taking this guy in the top 10. I want my EDGE that high up in the draft to be a double digit sack guy otherwise there is likely more value elsewhere .
Pitts is up high too  
JonC : 4/24/2021 3:56 pm : link
but he'll be gone.
RE: Pitts is up high too  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/24/2021 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15232466 JonC said:
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but he'll be gone.


I you hearing anything similar to Rico on Slater?
Nothing  
JonC : 4/24/2021 4:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: Giants love Smith  
Klaatu : 4/24/2021 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15232375 Judge_and_Jury said:
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Hear nothing on Waddle, Slater, Parsons, or CB in general.



I just really hope the pivot isn't Paye. Grades on so many guys including OL much higher.


Whose grades? You have no idea how the Giants have graded any player in the draft. No disrespect to Sy'56, or Daniel Jeremiah, or Bob McGuinn, or anyone else, but they are all on the outside looking in, and so are you.
I think how the rumors are being framed is confusing  
cosmicj : 4/24/2021 5:34 pm : link
What is really going on. Here’s my guess as to the reality.

Judge and O’Brien are heavily involved.

Judge is a detail freak.

That detail orientation has resulted in an extensively researched decision tree of options, which includes trade up and trade down scenarios. They have had preliminary discussions with some teams drafting before and after them so they can act quickly during the draft.

One of those teams is the Patriots. I absolutely believe those rumors have basis. Given the team needs and the fact that BB and Judge know each other well, discussions of 1st rd trade scenarios would be absolutely rational for both sides.

This stuff about Paye and Phillips isn’t about taking those players at #11, but the Giants are interested in them lower in the first round. The same may be true of Slater. Some of the other defensive names floating out there (Olujari?) are liked by the Giants but may be lower first round targets.

So information about who the Giants like is getting out there. And some of it is likely accurate. But the draft slotting is getting confused. And one of the causes is that the planning is just much more detailed than the last few years.

This is a hunch, but it fits the available evidence and also an offhand remark Peppers made here last week.
cosmic  
JonC : 4/24/2021 5:50 pm : link
You're on the right path, sir.
RE: Smith and Waddle were special college players  
Anakim : 4/24/2021 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15231140 JonC said:
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and have the talent to be special pro players, but they're little dudes, which lowers their value a bit for me. I like Slater but not sure he's a tackle in the NFL, he's a bit undersized relative to most. I like the defenders more. Pitts will be gone.


Agree with everything you said, Jon, but I do think Smith can be one of those sneaky prolific WRs even if he doesn't have the ideal build. He's just so damn consistent.
RE: I think how the rumors are being framed is confusing  
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In comment 15232519 cosmicj said:
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What is really going on. Here’s my guess as to the reality.

Judge and O’Brien are heavily involved.

Judge is a detail freak.

That detail orientation has resulted in an extensively researched decision tree of options, which includes trade up and trade down scenarios. They have had preliminary discussions with some teams drafting before and after them so they can act quickly during the draft.

One of those teams is the Patriots. I absolutely believe those rumors have basis. Given the team needs and the fact that BB and Judge know each other well, discussions of 1st rd trade scenarios would be absolutely rational for both sides.

This stuff about Paye and Phillips isn’t about taking those players at #11, but the Giants are interested in them lower in the first round. The same may be true of Slater. Some of the other defensive names floating out there (Olujari?) are liked by the Giants but may be lower first round targets.

So information about who the Giants like is getting out there. And some of it is likely accurate. But the draft slotting is getting confused. And one of the causes is that the planning is just much more detailed than the last few years.

This is a hunch, but it fits the available evidence and also an offhand remark Peppers made here last week.


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