The more I read about Kwity Paye, the more intrigued I get with him being the pick at #11. Sy also rated him highly. The key being that he is multiple, and I think the coaching staff is going to value that highly. Paye is ranked within the top 10 in this linked article:
10. Kwity Paye, OLB/DE, Michigan, 6-2½, 261 (4.58)
While some see a short strider with a somewhat underwhelming 11.5 career sacks, I see a guy who got moved all over the defensive front -- with snaps at nose tackle -- who has room to develop into far more. Paye missed time with a leg injury in 2020, but he plays with high effort, rockets out of his stance and pushes people off the ball. |
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good player but
And from the get-go play effectively against the run.
Not so for rushing the passer. He needs time and coaching to reach his potential as a pass rusher.
So, if BBIers are thinking Kwity Paye as the EDGE guy this team needs, it may not be as a pass rusher in 2021.
In sum, if Kwity Paye and DeVonta Smith are on the Board at 11, I want the guy from Alabama, and no questions asked.
As for Kwity Paye, If the coaches envision him quickly taking on a Blake Martinez/Leonard Williams-type workload, and having a value-above-replacement comparable to those guys when he’s on the field, sure, take him at #11. On the other hand, if Paye is “multiple” because he isn’t special in any particular role, 11 seems like a high price for versatility.
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That's the crux of it. He'll be a nice player but not necessarily a special one. Need better than Jadavepn Clowney or Kenny Holmes if Im taking A DE at 11.
Which we were in more often than not.
good player but
They really tried to fit Kiwanuka into a 4-3 defense as OLB. Paye would be a slightly different fit but I think your point is that Kiwanuka fit okay for a long time but never really lived up to his first round status (32).
I’d rather gamble on a more premier talent and high production/impact guy than a possible rotational fit on the front. I see a floor but limited ceiling with Paye.
Nice kid and story though and appreciate the character he has where he played kind of all over and responsible for roles that I think Don Brown didn’t always use him correctly and never complained.
I guess it all depends on how the player fits the plans of the coaching staff. That is what Gettlemen said in his presser. Get players that fit the coaches schemes. Our base defense is 3-4. What is Paye? A 5 tech? An OLB? What is he in our base?
One can argue we will be in a 4 man front 50% of the time and therefore he will play DE. Ok then why draft a player in round 1 who is effective on only half of the defensive snaps? I think the Giants are looking for a more versatile player fro their front 7. I don’t think Paye is the guy. He may turn out to be a good pro but he doesn’t seem to fit this scheme
I don't see how he is rated so high.
Rashan Gary was one of the best defensive linemen in the playoffs last season
I guess it all depends on how the player fits the plans of the coaching staff. That is what Gettlemen said in his presser. Get players that fit the coaches schemes. Our base defense is 3-4. What is Paye? A 5 tech? An OLB? What is he in our base?
One can argue we will be in a 4 man front 50% of the time and therefore he will play DE. Ok then why draft a player in round 1 who is effective on only half of the defensive snaps? I think the Giants are looking for a more versatile player fro their front 7. I don’t think Paye is the guy. He may turn out to be a good pro but he doesn’t seem to fit this scheme
I thought that Judge and Graham said "Yes" when asked the question about what defense the Giants would be running. The Patriots ran a 4-3 for some of the time Judge was there, but they think of their defense more as an amoeba; I'm not a fan of that approach but that's what they'd be running.
I agree completely. And I have a terrible hunch that Paye will be the pick based on the fact that he’s the one guy that’s regularly discussed with our pick that I don’t have any interest in. It wouldn’t be a Giants 1st round pick if I didn’t come away scratching my head because they took the one guy I was afraid they’d take
I’m just going by the numbers. I haven’t watched Michigan nearly enough to form an opinion from performance. Clearly, his origin story is attractive. The real hero there is his mother.
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Nothing to do with this guy. I’m not high on any Michigan lineman. Rashaan Gary 2.0 lol.
Rashan Gary was one of the best defensive linemen in the playoffs last season
Agree Sean, Rashan Gary 2.0 production would be good enough for me. Sure he was nothing special rookie year but he started to really come on last year. Not sure that was a good choice in comparison to prove his point... lol
I can see the similarities. Houston has long arms, which helps offset the lack of “plus” height. Houston also had serious productivity, which Paye currently lacks. On the other hand, Houston torpedoed his draft stock by stupidly flunking a drug test. Paye has a reputation as a model citizen who doesn’t make dumb mistakes off the field.
Who says they won’t?
He's a reach
He's raw
He can't play in the Giants defense
His production wasn't good
Most of it garbage
Oh I forgot, he didn't get a ton of sacks in college, no excuse, don't bother with him. That's the current mentality on this board. I'm glad everyone here is a football genius.
Lol, no chance. He’s a lock for top 14
I’ve always liked this strategy. Draft the BPA at 11, and then aggressively move up to the late first if needed to secure Paye. Imagine coming out of day 1 with Smith & Paye?
Newsome over Horn jumps out, too. I don't agree, but Newsome is pretty underrated the more you watch him.
Mac Jones is a really sound spot. Bravo for that.
Schwartz at #94 but Dyami Brown at #96 is a shocker.
Oh I forgot, he didn't get a ton of sacks in college, no excuse, don't bother with him. That's the current mentality on this board. I'm glad everyone here is a football genius.
Otoh, we *are* picking him to get sacks.
I have to admit that I want Smith at #11. Ut I will also admit that if he went through college and never caught a pass, I’d probably have a little less enthusiasm. Maybe then I’d trade down with the Pats and take him at 15.
I don't see how he is rated so high.
The NFL doesn't give a shit about college stats.
If they can get near equal value on offense - there's a bigger need. What they did in FA isn't enough for a 31st ranked offense.
The ONLY similarity between the two may be that the Giants were--with Kiwi--and may--with Paye--trying to fit square pegs in round holes.
Jon, I see great ball get-off, technique, and power. Add it all up and that's a recipe for success in the NFL.
Only question for me is team fit. I like him more as a hand in the dirt player that may fit better on a team like Vegas.