I’ve asked myself, “what BPA do the Giants need the most?”

Devonta Smith at WR, Rashawn Slater at OL (our biggest needs on offense), LB Micah Parsons if we can get him by trading back. Despite me bleating about the Giants' pass rush, I don't think 1st round is the best place to find them, so I wouldn't be great about Kwity Paye.

We do not have a good enough WR corps. We are one Golladay injury from having a bottom five WR corps. That’s not “good enough”.

I think the biggest need is edge but gun to my head, the best player available when they pick has the best chance to be Smith.

I hope we take the true best player available,

I’d say WR. Golladay & Shep both have injury concerns. Ross was a lotto ticket.

but if Judge and DG like what they have on the OL and think we are ok there, I would vehemently disagree with that. The Oline I may not be the crippling weakness it has been the last several years, but I would certainly not say it is solid heading into 2021.

he can be that Devin White/Devin Bush type of athlete in the middle of the field and that is a really good fit next to Martinez. And he can blitz and generate pressure. JMO but that type of player sounds much like what this defense needs most (unless you want to stretch the comp of one of the edge guys into a Bosa - which might not be totally unfair with Phillips other than the injuries). I among others was totally on board with Isaiah Simmons last year. Parsons is a different style player but adds that same kind of athleticism to the middle level.

Re: the off the field stuff none of us have any idea how much any team will ding him or not, but with Spender on the staff I think it's pretty binary for the NYG - either he vouches for him or he doesn't. If there's a surprise guy they pick and then claim to have been targeting all along he'd be one of my top guesses (since none of the beats have really connected him).

That said I do expect the rumors to be true and the NYG to go offense more than anything because that's where I expect value to be with 1 of the Bama WRs falling to 11. And adding an Isaac Bruce (Smith) or Tyreek Hill (Waddle) type of weapon is always appealing.

LB Parsons or CB Horn

But this is a good example of picking into the inherent strengths of the draft, which could be WR at #11.

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But this is a good example of picking into the inherent strengths of the draft, which could be WR at #11.

We are within a week, are you hearing the same as Rico = WR ?

the equation. If Horn or Surtain fall to us it might be hard to pass on one of them. The value is certainly there at 11.

One would replace Slayton and the other would replace Shepard.....

Sewell, Pitts and Chase are the 3 Blue Chip.... otherwise..try to trade down.

They can get a very good WR and OL in 2nd and 3rd.

If they believe Parsons can be that mutiple....LB/Edge and he passes the smell test....do it.

Or

Trade down... unless one edge is way ahead of the others

Rudolph is not a long term solution and might have injury concerns.

Can’t rely in any way on Even “Butterfingers” Engram.

A big TE that can catch AND be an asset blocking in the run game would be great.

If you had the pick of any non QB in the draft, I think it’s Sewell, then Pitts.

The Giants won’t go TE in the first, but Freiermuth should be in strong consideration in the 2nd. I’d even give up one of the 6th founders to move up a little in the 2nd round if we went defense in round 1 and he’s still there in round 2 within a few picks of #42.

But the fact that you said BPA.

In a sense you are correct that the best player available at the highest position of need may be deemed to be Paye but the problem is his grade should be nowhere near as good as other guys available at the pick.

That would classify as a needs based reach similar to when we took Flowers.

Now I don't think Paye will bust but I also don't think he screams game impactor like a Smith, Horn, or even a Vera Tucker/Slater would.

Poor value at 11.

And at this point in time I’d argue Edge and Guard are this team’s biggest needs.

Since Edge is widely viewed as the more valuable or “premium” position, I’d guess that is the answer looking at things objectively.

However, what I’m wondering and what has caught my attention is if Judge carries with him a somewhat obvious mentality from New England that the Secondary is what makes the defense go and a greater allocation of resources is placed on the defensive backfield, with more of an edge/pass rush by committee.

Realistically, true BPA for us at 11 is likely going to be Smith/Waddle or Surtain/Horn.

Understanding that Guard value lines up well in rounds 2-3, the question for me becomes are they ok taking BPA at corner/WR (which were addressed via FA) over Edge which right now consists of 2 guys returning from injury and 2 second year players?

No drafting for need. You need the 11 pick to be a star. That’s going to be Smith or Waddle. The good news is that it is also a position of need.

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In comment 15232876 JonC said: Quote: But this is a good example of picking into the inherent strengths of the draft, which could be WR at #11. We are within a week, are you hearing the same as Rico = WR ?

I've heard Smith, nothing specific to other WRs, and Paye. Not sure if or which prospects might be in between them.

Is worst case scenario for me. An edge who isn’t a great pass rusher who isn’t good in coverage either. Why would we want this guy at 11. Smith, waddle, Parsons, Slater, Surtain and Horn are all better players. Even olujari/Phillips are preferable to Paye and I wouldn’t want them at 11 either.

That they like, there is only one impact player on defense. IF he is on their board (note big IF), Parsons should be the pick. He can back up Martinez, play the inside backer or play the Edge. He is probably the best Edge in the draft, and would certainly be the best Edge on the Giants.

We won’t know if he is on their board until they pass on him or pick him.

they value Surtain and Horn above Paye and the other Edges, but they do tend to put more emphasis on need. Parsons might not be a fit is all I heard. I think Paye is their top Edge, and the other Edges would be trade down options. I do think they have trade downs pending players available for those teams.

I tend to think Smith is the pick *if* available.

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We do not have a good enough WR corps. We are one Golladay injury from having a bottom five WR corps. That’s not “good enough”.

This, pick an edge in round 2. Maybe Rousseau slips to 42. Or Tryon.

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Is worst case scenario for me. An edge who isn’t a great pass rusher who isn’t good in coverage either. Why would we want this guy at 11. Smith, waddle, Parsons, Slater, Surtain and Horn are all better players. Even olujari/Phillips are preferable to Paye and I wouldn’t want them at 11 either.

100% agree. If they pick Paye I will of course hope he ends up being great, but 11 seems too high for a player that had limited college production. I hate when teams take players on “potential” in the early part of the draft. Ideally you would see some college production to go along with that potential or you are literally rolling the dice.

Depending on the latest info I read/hear, so saying I waffle daily would be incorrect; I waffle often daily.

Only place I remain consistent is in believing an edge at 11 could be a reach.

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they value Surtain and Horn above Paye and the other Edges, but they do tend to put more emphasis on need. Parsons might not be a fit is all I heard. I think Paye is their top Edge, and the other Edges would be trade down options. I do think they have trade downs pending players available for those teams.

Really hoping Smith drops. Bristling moment to see them potentially pass up much better values in Horn and AVT for Paye.

our defense. we can get WR and OL later

forget about OL.

Hopefully someone takes Smith before the Giants are on the clock so the mistake is taken away from them.

In comment 15232885 Judge_and_Jury said:

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But the fact that you said BPA. In a sense you are correct that the best player available at the highest position of need may be deemed to be Paye but the problem is his grade should be nowhere near as good as other guys available at the pick. That would classify as a needs based reach similar to when we took Flowers. Now I don't think Paye will bust but I also don't think he screams game impactor like a Smith, Horn, or even a Vera Tucker/Slater would. Poor value at 11.

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In a sense you are correct that the best player available at the highest position of need may be deemed to be Paye but the problem is his grade should be nowhere near as good as other guys available at the pick.

Compared to the Giants personnel people, how can you say or assert that Paye’s grade “should be nowhere near as good as the other guys available at the pick?” You have zero idea/expertise in terms of how players are graded in the Giants tiers. None. What, you’re referencing draft guides as the “Bible” grades?

You're talking to JerseyJoe.

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You're talking to JerseyJoe.

I Know..😎

Jon, Are you not concerned about Smith’s weight? I guess if the Giants wind up with Smith, I’ll have their answer

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In comment 15232894 cokeduplt said: Quote: Is worst case scenario for me. An edge who isn’t a great pass rusher who isn’t good in coverage either. Why would we want this guy at 11. Smith, waddle, Parsons, Slater, Surtain and Horn are all better players. Even olujari/Phillips are preferable to Paye and I wouldn’t want them at 11 either. 100% agree. If they pick Paye I will of course hope he ends up being great, but 11 seems too high for a player that had limited college production. I hate when teams take players on “potential” in the early part of the draft. Ideally you would see some college production to go along with that potential or you are literally rolling the dice.

That’s the Reese draft. He would have drafted a guy with a high ceiling in the first. Sometimes it works out, but it’s very risky and I don’t think the Giants are in a position to risk a #11 pick on potential.

They need to upgrade the roster as a whole and get young talented players into the "pipeline". You could argue that one serious injury to a starter could cause a detrimental ripple effect. The best teams have players in the wings ready to fill in.

So, I'm OK with almost any position drafted early as long as it's the player that can become a contributor, not only for today , but also for tomorrow

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In comment 15232885 Judge_and_Jury said: Quote: But the fact that you said BPA. In a sense you are correct that the best player available at the highest position of need may be deemed to be Paye but the problem is his grade should be nowhere near as good as other guys available at the pick. That would classify as a needs based reach similar to when we took Flowers. Now I don't think Paye will bust but I also don't think he screams game impactor like a Smith, Horn, or even a Vera Tucker/Slater would. Poor value at 11. Quote: In a sense you are correct that the best player available at the highest position of need may be deemed to be Paye but the problem is his grade should be nowhere near as good as other guys available at the pick. Compared to the Giants personnel people, how can you say or assert that Paye’s grade “should be nowhere near as good as the other guys available at the pick?” You have zero idea/expertise in terms of how players are graded in the Giants tiers. None. What, you’re referencing draft guides as the “Bible” grades?

It is why I used the word 'should'. We all have our opinions/convictions on these players and the thoughts on Paye in the scouting world are quite mixed. Some think he is absolutely worthy of a top 15 pick others lower half of the round and still a few late round 1/early round 2. I personally think he is a 16-20 type pick with 2 or 3 guys a tier above him possibly to likely there when we pick (Horn, AVT, Slater, Waddle).

Kidding aside, I actually do go back and forth based on media and analyst input.

Is a weakness in this draft. I also think some people are over-valuing the talent available on the dine. The biggest strength of this draft it receiver. Take the low hanging fruit first.

in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11.

There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet?

It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence.

Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered.

So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons.

We all agree that the Giants need to win more games.

BB'56 says: Improve our weakest position, namely Edge rusher.

I say: Improve the weakest side of the ball, namely Offense. IMO, if we score more points we will win more games than if we hold our opponents to fewer points.

Have I done an analysis of this? I leave that to the BBI cognoscenti.

I think RT is still an open question. In fact, if you grabbed Sewell - perhaps Thomas goes to RT.

My rationale - the key to opening up this passing game is to develop a dominant running game. Passing because you want to not because you always have to. And, I think there will be a WR in Rs 2 or 3 who could help the team.

kind of scenario, I would give the tiebreaker to WR above all.

This coming year is the year the Giants absolutely have to find out what Daniel Jones is going to be going forward. If the question is still out there what he is after 2021, the organization is in big trouble. They need to know, one way or the other, if he is a franchise QB.

Getting him a weapon like Smith to go along with KG and hopefully Barkley being healthy takes away the "he doesn't have weapons" excuse.

If Jones has those receivers with a hopefully healthy Saquon and a serviceable offensive line, then we will know this year if he's a franchise QB.

In comment 15232999 bw in dc said:

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in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons.

I’m in this boat too with regards to ER. Yes, I’d love one but I’ve seen many of them disappear for entire games when up against a sound game plan. I’d rather have 2-3 guys are above average than 1 premier edge player.

We are spending money and draft picks to build an elite secondary along with an above average DL - we can manufacture pressure and sacks with solid players on the edge.

Their depth at WR is a house of cards that could fall apart with one injury. So WR at 11 would be a fit for BPA AND need. (Plus there was a report that Gettleman is in "full bloom love" with Smith).
I love Parsons, but the fact that they take the second Inside LB off the field a great deal means he's not a great fit. Martinez is not sitting and Parson's has not rushed from the Edge much in his two active years.
You guys bitch about allocation of resourced (that's you BW) citing the Barkley pick, but a high #1 on an OG has ALSO gotten plenty of complaints. Most guards in the league are not Quintin Nelson and are NOT first rd picks. I'm sure they will take an inside player day 2, but not at 11.
An Edge player that can do several different things, that fits Judge's culture, that has a high ceiling to be devloped seems to make the most sense. Thus- Paye

But no *glaring* needs.

In comment 15232999 bw in dc said:

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in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons.

I strongly agree with most of this but strongly am at odds with the rest. Imo the delta for the AL receivers is greater than CB and there’s enough depth there for now. Parsons, maybe but I feel the need for offense I’d orders of magnitude greater than defense

I also suspect that the prime motivation here is to hope that Golladay goes down early and often leaving us with a *terrible* WR corps so that there’s ample opportunity to bash Jones until the 2022 draft.

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kind of scenario, I would give the tiebreaker to WR above all. This coming year is the year the Giants absolutely have to find out what Daniel Jones is going to be going forward. If the question is still out there what he is after 2021, the organization is in big trouble. They need to know, one way or the other, if he is a franchise QB. Getting him a weapon like Smith to go along with KG and hopefully Barkley being healthy takes away the "he doesn't have weapons" excuse. If Jones has those receivers with a hopefully healthy Saquon and a serviceable offensive line, then we will know this year if he's a franchise QB.

+1

don't ever change my friend. Don't ever change.

Bill L.

to find out there. Only so many Bosas. This is an interesting edge class for sure, probably the deepest in many years, but very hard to tell which one of them (if any) will be the guy. Taking a Payton Turner or Ronnie Perkins in round 2 may be the way to go. Very interested to see McGinn's rankings (believe they come out tomorrow).

Also completely agree about not overthinking the pick if Smith or Waddle is on the board. Either would instantly raise the skill talent on this offense to a near elite level. The depth alone would be pretty staggering. Slayton or Shepard as a 4th WR is nasty.

If they aren't there then 1 of Parsons/Surtain/Horn probably is and would be tempting.

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In comment 15232999 bw in dc said: Quote: in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons. I’m in this boat too with regards to ER. Yes, I’d love one but I’ve seen many of them disappear for entire games when up against a sound game plan. I’d rather have 2-3 guys are above average than 1 premier edge player. We are spending money and draft picks to build an elite secondary along with an above average DL - we can manufacture pressure and sacks with solid players on the edge.

We don’t even have above-average edge players on the roster outside of the newly-acquired Odenigbo.

In comment 15233058 bw in dc said:

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don't ever change my friend. Don't ever change.

I was going to say that to you...

OP question about what is our greatest need. It has to.be QB. Are there no QBs good enough to trade up for, or are we just willing to roll the dice on what we have? We are willing to trade up for a CB, but not QB. Weird organization.

The need for really good starting Right Guard impacts every single play the offense runs. Getting a really strong Right Guard is the best thing they could do now to help Daniel Jones develop.

Almost any front seven defensive player will be rotated on and off the field depending on the situation, but a Guard likely will not. And pass rushers have to take a breather often or they simply run out of gas. So unless an ER guy is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White, and that guy is NOT in this draft, he's not going to make as much real impact as a really good Right Guard.

This isn't to say that they don't need more and better Edge Rushers, and they still need another top shelf Corner. Beyond that, an ILB, another deep threat WR, another RB, maybe another TE (especially if they trade EE, which they really should but I don't see that happening), and more OL and DL depth are all legitimate needs to consider.

an OG who pancakes people?

In comment 15232999 bw in dc said:

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in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons.

I generally agree with this, though I do like Smith as a player so I won't be disappointed if it's him. But it doesn't feel as though he'd be the best use of the pick. I still think that's Surtain.

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But the fact that you said BPA.

Exactly. It's a question that makes no sense, because you don't get to pick what position your BPA plays. The best player available is simply the best player available regardless of his position.

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I generally agree with this, though I do like Smith as a player so I won't be disappointed if it's him. But it doesn't feel as though he'd be the best use of the pick. I still think that's Surtain.

Again, waiving the white flag on OLs, I would take any of these corners - Surtain, Horn and even Newsome (very underrated) at #11.

Just can't put the best prospect Farley in there with the back surgeries.

As a PSU fan, I can tell you Parsons' ceiling is very likely the highest in the draft. He's a monster talent. Someone just needs to trim the fat to get to the filet mignon...

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As a PSU fan, I can tell you Parsons' ceiling is very likely the highest in the draft.

QBs excluded, Pitts has the highest ceiling in the draft. He also has the highest floor. That's why he's worth trading up for.

with as talented an offensive playmaker they can draft, whether that is Pitts or one of the WRs.

And why I would be okay with a trade up as well to go get Pitts if Gettleman, Judge & Co. feel he has higher overall potential than the Alabama WRs who may make it to #11.

If our base is 3/4 then Parson makes a lot of sense.

In comment 15232999 bw in dc said:

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in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons.

Edge is overrated? Lol ok. Go tell that to the litany of teams that have won SB’s over the last 20 years.

Sewell (NA)
Pitts (NA)
Chase (NA)
Smith
Slayter
Vera-Tucker
Parsons (If Giants think he is OK I am fine)
Horn
Surtain
Waddle
Paye

(NA=Will not be available)

My ideal scenario would be WR/OG or OG/WR in first two rounds.

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In comment 15232999 bw in dc said: Quote: in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons. Edge is overrated? Lol ok. Go tell that to the litany of teams that have won SB’s over the last 20 years.

You certainly need to generate a pass rush but you don't need a high priced pass rusher to accomplish that task.

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In comment 15233390 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 15232999 bw in dc said: Quote: in the sense of needing a premium talent to be effective. I am fully subscribed to "EBC" - Edge By Committee. I hope Graham and Judge have learned that from Belichick; and realize there are NO high end pass rushers in this draft. Especially to invest in at #11. There is potential in this class; but that aren't many who have dominated in college, and unless you can dominate in college, why the hell should anyone assume they will suddenly dominate against the best talent on the planet? It's really unfortunate this organization apparently feels good about the OL parts. We've heard that for a decade. Eventually it has to turn, but I haven't seen enough - at all - from the current roster to inspire great confidence. Selecting a WR at #11 is just a misuse of the pick because there is such a rich supply. And I'm not willing to bet on a frail WR from AL or an injured WR from AL with no workouts to demonstrate he's recovered. So if OL is indeed out at #11, I will be glad to select a corner or Parsons. Edge is overrated? Lol ok. Go tell that to the litany of teams that have won SB’s over the last 20 years. You certainly need to generate a pass rush but you don't need a high priced pass rusher to accomplish that task.

You need quality pass rushers in your front high priced or not. Manufacturing pressure is bullshit.

It boggles my mind that any Giants fan would have this attitude. They went from a borderline dynasty to absolute trash as soon as the OL and DL eroded.

After the first two rounds, the cupboard is going to look bare. Getting someone to complement LW is going to elevate LW‘s game and make the secondary’s life easier. What is wrong with that? Good pressure and good coverage play leads to turnovers. The Giants have a chance to make a good defense into a special defense. They can get good OG and WR in the first 3 rounds. The window for ERs is shorter in this draft.

intent was to not have a talented edge guy, Chandler Jones was pretty damn good and Willie McGinest is a borderline HOFer. they're hard to find and maybe in his flexible schemes less dependent on one guy. maybe that's what you were saying anyway.

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intent was to not have a talented edge guy, Chandler Jones was pretty damn good and Willie McGinest is a borderline HOFer. they're hard to find and maybe in his flexible schemes less dependent on one guy. maybe that's what you were saying anyway.

In fairness, McGinest was drafted by Parcells..:)

is turning a good defense into a great defense. Giants current offense is adequate enough to make the playoffs IF the defense is top five in the league.

Assuming at least three quarterbacks, Pitts and Chase are taken in the top ten, one of seven elite graded players will be there at eleven. Three on defense: Parsons, Horn and Surtain. Giants shouldn't hesitate on any one of these three if they are available. My preference is Parsons since he fills a greater need at the moment, but Horn and Surtain would be fine.

And four on offense: Sewell, Slater, Smith and Waddle. Again, any one of these is a solid pick. My preference is OL since I believe the current receiving corps is adequate and there are great options later in the draft. Whereas the current OL is not even close to adequate and drafting OL after the second round makes no sense given the current developmental depth already on this team.

I will be fine with any of these seven players as well as trading back to later in the first round for an additional premium pick or two.

Reaching for EDGE players or trading up would not make any sense.