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Mock trade. Nfl.com Giants and Bears

Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2021 8:21 pm
Chicago receives:
-- 2021 first-round pick (No. 11 overall)

New York receives:
-- 2021 first-round pick (No. 20)
-- 2021 second-round pick (No. 52)
-- 2021 sixth-round pick (No. 204)

Why it works for the Bears:
As I said in the blurbage just above, according to my model, QB4 is most likely to be Mac Jones or Trey Lance. Sitting either one of them behind Andy Dalton obviously wouldn't produce a big win-total uptick in 2021. Jones in particular seems like a first-round pick you'd want to test out sooner than later, based on his quick-passing résumé at Alabama. But getting ahead of Washington (picking at No. 19) and New England (No. 15) -- not to mention, Vegas (No. 17) and Philly (No. 12) -- creates future value for the reasonable cost of a second- and sixth-round pick.

Why it works for the Giants:
I may have pointed out before that the Giants paid their free agents well (maybe too well) this offseason. But now that's a sunk cost, and the player-performance projections combine to give this roster some sneaky-good potential. The highest probability fit-based additions (edge, corner, O-line, wide receiver) don't decrease much from 11 to 20, and adding No. 52 outweighs that by about 0.35 wins.


Pretty good analysis. Thoughts?
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If and only if Smith and Waddle are gone  
Bill L : 4/26/2021 8:23 pm : link
Maybe Parsons too, I’m not sure. I jump on this. And then i turn around and try to drop about 5-6 more slots. But otherwise I’m good. And maybe here is my need pick for edge.
No way.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/26/2021 8:24 pm : link
Need way more than a 2nd.
That, I might  
section125 : 4/26/2021 8:24 pm : link
be for. The extra 2nd. Gets them OL on top of edge and likely WR.
RE: No way.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/26/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15234681 robbieballs2003 said:
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Need way more than a 2nd.


My thoughts exactly
They would never trade with the Jets  
theold5j : 4/26/2021 8:26 pm : link
But 11 for 23 and 34 is close to a fair trade
Who do you pick at 20?  
Simms11 : 4/26/2021 8:27 pm : link
Ojulari, Bateman?
RE: No way.  
Eman11 : 4/26/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15234681 robbieballs2003 said:
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Need way more than a 2nd.


I feel the same. Especially if there’s a QB there the Bears want. I’d make them pay a premium for that and this offer isn’t enough.
RE: Who do you pick at 20?  
section125 : 4/26/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15234698 Simms11 said:
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Ojulari, Bateman?


Probably one of the ER.
3 picks in the top 52 is pretty  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2021 8:30 pm : link
enticing. This team still needs upgrades at most positions.
I think long and hard about this  
Producer : 4/26/2021 8:32 pm : link
this sets you up to solve

WR, EDGE and OL
I’d do it if they were willing to take our 4th  
Metnut : 4/26/2021 8:33 pm : link
and throw in their 3rd. That would be enough comp.

I’d pass on the deal if Snith were available, but if were thinking Edge or OG, we can still get one of the top guys in the draft in the first even after a trade down.
If you want edge first the greatest need  
Chip : 4/26/2021 8:33 pm : link
then you can WR OL in the 2nd and can also use Engram to move up if they wish. Then you can use the 3rd on a RB or another OL Te. I hate trading down but it kind of makes sense. You now need the QB to drop and hope Dallas doesn't make the deal first.
From 20 to 11  
OntheRoad : 4/26/2021 8:35 pm : link
needs more than a 2 and a 6. Maybe a 2 and a 3.
RE: From 20 to 11  
Producer : 4/26/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15234719 OntheRoad said:
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needs more than a 2 and a 6. Maybe a 2 and a 3.


even better
Yeah I'm thinking about this to, on the condition Sewell isn't availab  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/26/2021 8:39 pm : link
(and it sounds like Pitts is long gone). Finally a realistic trade scenario!
RE: From 20 to 11  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/26/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15234719 OntheRoad said:
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needs more than a 2 and a 6. Maybe a 2 and a 3.


Yeah if they are trading up for a QB, I think you can get them to part with a 2022 3rd round pick.
I  
AcidTest : 4/26/2021 8:41 pm : link
need to see who is available first, but I'd be included to do that trade, especially if Smith is gone. The players likely to be left at #11 include one of Surtain or Horn, Paye, and maybe Slater. I'd rather have #20, #52, and #204. I also wouldn't demand more if I thought the Bears were trading up for a QB.
2nd this year plus....  
MarvelousMike : 4/26/2021 8:47 pm : link
a 3rd in 2022 with it being conditional to become a 2nd next year (whatever that entails).
Through in a 2022 1st as well and deal  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2021 8:51 pm : link
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I’d be good with it  
WillVAB : 4/26/2021 8:58 pm : link
It’s not a haul but the Giants would be in a position to get 3 quality players early in the draft at areas they need some help.
RE: Who do you pick at 20?  
Bill L : 4/26/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15234698 Simms11 said:
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Ojulari, Bateman?
My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.
I dont think thats enough  
j_rud : 4/26/2021 8:58 pm : link
A second when youre talking moving up 9 spots, knocking on the door of the top 10? And the QB tax is real. A 2nd and a 4th isnt nearly enough. You gotta talk premium picks from 2022.

RE: RE: Who do you pick at 20?  
section125 : 4/26/2021 9:02 pm : link
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Ojulari, Bateman?

My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.


It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.
Ojulari or Bateman would be good value at 20  
Rjanyg : 4/26/2021 9:06 pm : link
Parsons and the 2 Bama Receivers would have to be off the board though.
I thinl the talks start  
chopperhatch : 4/26/2021 9:08 pm : link
At their first, second third this year. Or 1st, 3rd this year and a 1st next year.
I would do the trade if they gave us 164 instead of 204  
Rick in Dallas : 4/26/2021 9:08 pm : link
20,52 and 164 for number 11.
Their are some very good players that maybe available at number 20:
Newsome,Jenkins and Moore would be terrific at number 20.
You can address the Edge position in the second round and also WR or OL at 42 and 52.
Something to think about if the Bama WR’s are picked in the top 10.
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Bill L : 4/26/2021 9:10 pm : link
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Ojulari, Bateman?

My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.



It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.

According to Justin Melo (who I have no clue who he is but cited in a news article) the Biants met twice with Carson Green. That means nothing, except it might give you an idea of where in the draft they are researching ol
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Bill L : 4/26/2021 9:10 pm : link
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Ojulari, Bateman?

My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.



It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.

When you say “they take it”, do you really mean them or do you mean you?
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section125 : 4/26/2021 9:17 pm : link
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Ojulari, Bateman?

My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.



It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.


When you say “they take it”, do you really mean them or do you mean you?


Just like you, my opinion. Why is that a question? I appreciate that you think I will be picking for the Giants.
I just disagree that OL is out of the question in the 2nd round or 3rd. It is likely out at #11 according to asshats and likely out at #20.
If they’re moving up for a QB  
Saquon'sQuadz : 4/26/2021 9:23 pm : link
They’re paying more than that especially because Eagles? and Partriots are ahead of them
RE: Talks start At their first, second third this year  
Trainmaster : 4/26/2021 11:06 pm : link
I agree 100%.

An extra 2021 2nd and 3rd would be very tempting.

RE: RE: No way.  
Leg of Theismann : 4/26/2021 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15234703 Eman11 said:
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Need way more than a 2nd.



I feel the same. Especially if there’s a QB there the Bears want. I’d make them pay a premium for that and this offer isn’t enough.


Exactly my thoughts-- if one of the big 5 QBs is still on the board, that absolutely increases the value required from the Bears to make the trade happen... by A LOT. That's just the way it goes. Maybe a 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, and 2022 2nd rounder.

If they offered their 2022 1st rounder (and nothing else), what do you guys think? I think would depend on who is on the board. As another poster said-- not worth it if Smith, Waddle, or Parsons are on the board, and likely one of them will be at that point.
Sry I'd even go bigger than two 2nds and a 4th if a QB is there.  
Leg of Theismann : 4/26/2021 11:32 pm : link
Looking at the trade value chart, I would've thought moving from #21 to #11 would've been similar value (or slightly more) as when the Bills moved from #12 to #7 for Josh Allen. Turns out it's actually 50% greater value. Hence I think we should get the equivalent of THREE 2nd round picks for a move like that. 2021 2nd and 3rd + 2022 2nd... I'd maybe consider that though.
Meant to post the chart  
Leg of Theismann : 4/26/2021 11:33 pm : link
I know it's just a guide but I think it's often helpful...
Trade Value Chart - ( New Window )
All that said  
Leg of Theismann : 4/26/2021 11:35 pm : link
I doubt Gettleman does any trading back for future picks. He may not even be around next year if he doesn't nail this draft, so I doubt he'd going to care about acquiring future picks and possibly miss out on getting "his guys." Just being realistic, if he trades down at all, it's going to be for picks THIS YEAR I believe.
from a raw trade value standpoint, it's fair  
islander1 : 4/27/2021 12:12 am : link
The 11th pick is worth 1250.
The 20th pick is worth 850 and the second rounder is 380.

Problem is, if you're trading up, you can't give equal value. You gotta go a little higher.

If they offered their second and third round picks, you would think about it, but I wouldn't see the point of making that trade until you are nearly on the clock, if there isn't a player you're really in love with up there.

If Smith is gone, I’d consider it for sure  
illmatic : 4/27/2021 12:22 am : link
Someone will slide to 20 or you can trade back up a few more spots to secure a player.
RE: They would never trade with the Jets  
Victor in CT : 4/27/2021 7:36 am : link
In comment 15234691 theold5j said:
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But 11 for 23 and 34 is close to a fair trade


ever hear of Leonard Williams?
getting that extra 2nd rounder is enticing  
Victor in CT : 4/27/2021 7:38 am : link
points work out. Depends on who's left and what the Giants board actually looks like, which we have now way of knowing.
Seems like  
NYGNYY : 4/27/2021 8:43 am : link
Not enough.
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