Chicago receives:
-- 2021 first-round pick (No. 11 overall)
New York receives:
-- 2021 first-round pick (No. 20)
-- 2021 second-round pick (No. 52)
-- 2021 sixth-round pick (No. 204)
Why it works for the Bears:
As I said in the blurbage just above, according to my model, QB4 is most likely to be Mac Jones or Trey Lance. Sitting either one of them behind Andy Dalton obviously wouldn't produce a big win-total uptick in 2021. Jones in particular seems like a first-round pick you'd want to test out sooner than later, based on his quick-passing résumé at Alabama. But getting ahead of Washington (picking at No. 19) and New England (No. 15) -- not to mention, Vegas (No. 17) and Philly (No. 12) -- creates future value for the reasonable cost of a second- and sixth-round pick.
Why it works for the Giants:
I may have pointed out before that the Giants paid their free agents well (maybe too well) this offseason. But now that's a sunk cost, and the player-performance projections combine to give this roster some sneaky-good potential. The highest probability fit-based additions (edge, corner, O-line, wide receiver) don't decrease much from 11 to 20, and adding No. 52 outweighs that by about 0.35 wins.
Pretty good analysis. Thoughts?
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I feel the same. Especially if there’s a QB there the Bears want. I’d make them pay a premium for that and this offer isn’t enough.
Probably one of the ER.
WR, EDGE and OL
I’d pass on the deal if Snith were available, but if were thinking Edge or OG, we can still get one of the top guys in the draft in the first even after a trade down.
even better
Yeah if they are trading up for a QB, I think you can get them to part with a 2022 3rd round pick.
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My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.
It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.
Their are some very good players that maybe available at number 20:
Newsome,Jenkins and Moore would be terrific at number 20.
You can address the Edge position in the second round and also WR or OL at 42 and 52.
Something to think about if the Bama WR’s are picked in the top 10.
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Ojulari, Bateman?
My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.
It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.
According to Justin Melo (who I have no clue who he is but cited in a news article) the Biants met twice with Carson Green. That means nothing, except it might give you an idea of where in the draft they are researching ol
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Ojulari, Bateman?
My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.
It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.
When you say “they take it”, do you really mean them or do you mean you?
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Ojulari, Bateman?
My philosophy doesn’t change. OL is simply not in the teams plans. People should start taking them off the board until round 3 or maybe even 4 at the very earliest. So, in keeping with the same philosophy, I go WR and edge with a greater chance of going edge and WR. The extra pick for me (probably not the team) goes to a higher level RB than I anticipated prior.
It is BPA and if OL is BPA at #42 they take it or at #52..At 20 would have to be one of the ER available and one of 42 or 52 would be WR.
When you say “they take it”, do you really mean them or do you mean you?
Just like you, my opinion. Why is that a question? I appreciate that you think I will be picking for the Giants.
I just disagree that OL is out of the question in the 2nd round or 3rd. It is likely out at #11 according to asshats and likely out at #20.
An extra 2021 2nd and 3rd would be very tempting.
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Need way more than a 2nd.
I feel the same. Especially if there’s a QB there the Bears want. I’d make them pay a premium for that and this offer isn’t enough.
Exactly my thoughts-- if one of the big 5 QBs is still on the board, that absolutely increases the value required from the Bears to make the trade happen... by A LOT. That's just the way it goes. Maybe a 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, and 2022 2nd rounder.
If they offered their 2022 1st rounder (and nothing else), what do you guys think? I think would depend on who is on the board. As another poster said-- not worth it if Smith, Waddle, or Parsons are on the board, and likely one of them will be at that point.
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The 20th pick is worth 850 and the second rounder is 380.
Problem is, if you're trading up, you can't give equal value. You gotta go a little higher.
If they offered their second and third round picks, you would think about it, but I wouldn't see the point of making that trade until you are nearly on the clock, if there isn't a player you're really in love with up there.
ever hear of Leonard Williams?