Last year was pretty sad for our receiving core. Shepard didn't produce like we hoped he would, Slayton didn't explode like he looked like he might from last year's performance, Tate was even more disappointing than last year, C.J. Board kinda produced, and Damion Ratley was gone pretty fast. The few positives were that Slayton didn't regress, Shepard looked good in the later parts of the season, and Austin Mack and Dante Pettis flashed moments of greatness in their limited playing time.
This year, however, is very different. With the additions of Golladay, Ross, and a possible early or late round receiver in the draft this year, things look very bright. Even with these new additions, though, I am a little bit skeptical. I see one of the three following scenarios happening. One, Golladay come in and "steals" production from our other receivers and our yardage total stays relatively the same and Slayton and Shepard's yardage decreases significantly. Two, Golladay get's injured and we are right back to the same problems we had last year with Slayton and Shepard struggling as the primary options. Three, Golladay causes both Shepard and Slayton to be able to preform more and increases our production greatly. On top of these three scenarios, a new receiver from this years draft or a combination of C.J. Board, Austin Mack, John Ross, and Dante Pettis could step up and change the dynamic completely. What are your opinions on this? Am I right about one of the three scenarios or am I completely wrong?
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key word: healthy
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I'm and idiot, thanks. There isn't a way to edit it is there?
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I'm and idiot, thanks. There isn't a way to edit it is there?
ahhh don't be so hard on yourself...
some things ya know, some things ya don't know...but once ya know, then ya know.....ya know?
You can decide that they will suck and be miserable until they impress you then you can enjoy.
You can also decide that they will be good and also enjoy when they do.
If the disappoint, you can continue your misery or you can realize that you may have been a bit too excited about their prospects.
Either way, in the end, you'll either be happy or disappointed.
In the beginning, you get to choose how you feel.
But you get the point.
And after him it's a bunch of incredibly average WRs.
So that's why I hope they come out of the first two rounds with a top WR.
The backend of the WR corps is much, much better. In recent years, once an injury popped up, it was laughable what we were trotting out there. I do agree that it could use another high end piece. Good draft to marry value and need.
2. Saquon Barkley and both his running inability to get deep in the passing game, changes everything. And positively so
3. Rudolph is big, experienced and a big addition particularly in the red zone. We lacked this very necessary type of receiver last year. It's a big plus
4. E.E.and Slayton had off years, both should be better, particularly Slayton. 1 nobody seems to recognize the measurables that Slayton brings along with intelligence and dedication. I think Evan gets instantly better when he's not the number one picture in the rotation. Then just his deep threat helps everybody else.
5. An improved offensive line, that we are almost certainly going to see, makes everyone a better.
6. Ross is one of the fastest men in the league. And had a superb college career. Even if he doesn't return to form and all they do is send him running in the straight line oh, he has the potential to open things up.
6 did I mention Golloday yet?]] He'll help of course, but even without him this is a significantly different and significantly better Corps.
It's still more important that the OL is satisfactory though.
This WR group is enough to win games with if the line does their part.
OL must block better.
OC must develop better plays.
We have a decent group now but this isn't the 1990 Niners WR core even on their best day.
Stop over thinking it. There is no future HOF at WR. If you can draft a potential one, you're running to the podium. Even on its best day it's one injury away from awful and Slayton may not even be a legit starter. The position isn't a state of crisis anymore, but it still could use HR talent.
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But it’s only one deep. Golladay. Without him it’s a bottom 5 unit. That’s why I think WR should be the Giants top priority. Adding one true stud is the minimum. Getting that and another good prospect should be the goal. More talent at TE should also be on the table.
The backend of the WR corps is much, much better. In recent years, once an injury popped up, it was laughable what we were trotting out there. I do agree that it could use another high end piece. Good draft to marry value and need.
What makes the back end better? Ross, Pettis, Mack? Maybe but not that you can count on. Any of them could be cut and it wouldn’t be a surprise. Slayton, Shepard and Golladay are the only known commodities we have at WR.
As of right now we're a Golladay injury from looking just like we did last year. Ross is a gamble, we can't rely on him but hopefully we'll hit.
The table is set for him to do that with Golladay on the same field.
If the Giants see Smith or Waddle as a player that would come in and start from the jump, they will be all over him.
Slayton was a 5th round pick. He caught under 60 passes last year despite starting every game. There are things you can see on film that lead one to conclude he has trouble beating the jam and/or good coverage.
Not even counting SHepard who we know isn't perfect by any means.
We drafted Ruben Randle when Nicks and Cruz were on the team.
Slayton, Shepard and Engram are solid players, added to the new additions we actually have some fire power.
And please remember, the draft is deep with WR so if we don't take one at 11 there are some very good players in round 2-4. They could just take Smith or Waddle and be done with adding talent but I think they go in another direction and take a WR later.
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I'm and idiot, thanks. There isn't a way to edit it is there?
ahhh don't be so hard on yourself...
some things ya know, some things ya don't know...but once ya know, then ya know.....ya know?
The more ya know, the more ya know
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Thanks for that. Too many English speakers don't have a clear idea of their own language.
If the Giants see Smith or Waddle as a player that would come in and start from the jump, they will be all over him.
Slayton was a 5th round pick. He caught under 60 passes last year despite starting every game. There are things you can see on film that lead one to conclude he has trouble beating the jam and/or good coverage.
Not even counting SHepard who we know isn't perfect by any means.
We drafted Ruben Randle when Nicks and Cruz were on the team.
We also drafted Steve Smith when we had Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer on the roster. Maybe Smith and flurish like Steve Smith did, without ending his career the same way Steve Smith did.
Shepard not a starter on 31 other teams? That’s a stretch
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do the Giants think Slayton is better than any of the hot shot WRs in this draft? If you believe that they do, I have a bridge to sell you.
If the Giants see Smith or Waddle as a player that would come in and start from the jump, they will be all over him.
Slayton was a 5th round pick. He caught under 60 passes last year despite starting every game. There are things you can see on film that lead one to conclude he has trouble beating the jam and/or good coverage.
Not even counting SHepard who we know isn't perfect by any means.
We drafted Ruben Randle when Nicks and Cruz were on the team.
We also drafted Steve Smith when we had Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer on the roster. Maybe Smith and flurish like Steve Smith did, without ending his career the same way Steve Smith did.
Ditto for Manningham. Both Toomer and Burress were still on the team in ‘08 when Manningham was drafted.
You can decide that they will suck and be miserable until they impress you then you can enjoy.
You can also decide that they will be good and also enjoy when they do.
If the disappoint, you can continue your misery or you can realize that you may have been a bit too excited about their prospects.
Either way, in the end, you'll either be happy or disappointed.
In the beginning, you get to choose how you feel.
strong post...
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The backend of the WR corps is much, much better. In recent years, once an injury popped up, it was laughable what we were trotting out there. I do agree that it could use another high end piece. Good draft to marry value and need.
What makes the back end better? Ross, Pettis, Mack? Maybe but not that you can count on. Any of them could be cut and it wouldn’t be a surprise. Slayton, Shepard and Golladay are the only known commodities we have at WR.
Yes that's exactly why I think the back end is better. Ross and Pettis both can play and belong on an NFL football field. Lots of NFL teams have guys that shouldn't even sniff an NFL field in those spots. Look at the Cowboys. Nice big 3, but nothing after that.
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Sheppard and Slayton are nice players, but I do not think they are sure fired starters for 31 other NFL teams. Golladay is starting on most teams. Another add here would make the group exciting. Right now you are just hoping no one gets injured, which is inevitable.
Shepard not a starter on 31 other teams? That’s a stretch
Yeh Shepard is a very solid slot player, that can give you some ability on the outside. His problem is health. And the fact he was our best WR threat last year and is not a fit for that role at all, even though he's been asked to do it multiple times now. Golladay and a 1st round WR would put that shit in rear view mirror.
Golladay should be a nice weapon based on his abilities (and contract), and would like to think he and Barkley on the field together will draw enough attention that it should allow other folks to be more productive as well.
Grab another WR in Rd 1 or 2 and go to work...