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Should we be excited about the 2021 Giants receiving core?

EmusNYG : 4/27/2021 2:10 pm
Last year was pretty sad for our receiving core. Shepard didn't produce like we hoped he would, Slayton didn't explode like he looked like he might from last year's performance, Tate was even more disappointing than last year, C.J. Board kinda produced, and Damion Ratley was gone pretty fast. The few positives were that Slayton didn't regress, Shepard looked good in the later parts of the season, and Austin Mack and Dante Pettis flashed moments of greatness in their limited playing time.

This year, however, is very different. With the additions of Golladay, Ross, and a possible early or late round receiver in the draft this year, things look very bright. Even with these new additions, though, I am a little bit skeptical. I see one of the three following scenarios happening. One, Golladay come in and "steals" production from our other receivers and our yardage total stays relatively the same and Slayton and Shepard's yardage decreases significantly. Two, Golladay get's injured and we are right back to the same problems we had last year with Slayton and Shepard struggling as the primary options. Three, Golladay causes both Shepard and Slayton to be able to preform more and increases our production greatly. On top of these three scenarios, a new receiver from this years draft or a combination of C.J. Board, Austin Mack, John Ross, and Dante Pettis could step up and change the dynamic completely. What are your opinions on this? Am I right about one of the three scenarios or am I completely wrong?
Not really - not at this point  
DavidinBMNY : 4/27/2021 2:12 pm : link
Sheppard and Slayton are nice players, but I do not think they are sure fired starters for 31 other NFL teams. Golladay is starting on most teams. Another add here would make the group exciting. Right now you are just hoping no one gets injured, which is inevitable.
Golladay is legit  
eric2425ny : 4/27/2021 2:14 pm : link
the rest are question marks due to inconsistency and/or injuries in the case of Shepard. They need to address the position in round 1 or 2 if they want to have a viable passing game.
Don't forget about a healthy Barkley. He can easily add 500 receiving  
fredgbrown : 4/27/2021 2:14 pm : link
yds or more...
I  
AcidTest : 4/27/2021 2:17 pm : link
think we will be a week from now.
Yes  
mdthedream : 4/27/2021 2:17 pm : link
plus we added a TE and Barkley
Yes if we add a stud at 11.  
jsuds : 4/27/2021 2:18 pm : link
Smith would immediately make our offense legit if not dangerous IMO.
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I Love Clams Casino : 4/27/2021 2:24 pm : link
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RE: Don't forget about a healthy Barkley. He can easily add 500 receiving  
Jints in Carolina : 4/27/2021 2:28 pm : link
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yds or more...


key word: healthy
RE: corps  
EmusNYG : 4/27/2021 2:29 pm : link
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I Love Clams Casino : 4/27/2021 2:36 pm : link
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ahhh don't be so hard on yourself...

some things ya know, some things ya don't know...but once ya know, then ya know.....ya know?
absolutely...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/27/2021 2:40 pm : link
...the best part about being a fan is that YOU get to set the bar.

You can decide that they will suck and be miserable until they impress you then you can enjoy.

You can also decide that they will be good and also enjoy when they do.

If the disappoint, you can continue your misery or you can realize that you may have been a bit too excited about their prospects.

Either way, in the end, you'll either be happy or disappointed.

In the beginning, you get to choose how you feel.
butchered that...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/27/2021 2:42 pm : link
...!

But you get the point.
It looks better than last year, but that's not saying much  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/27/2021 2:42 pm : link
...Galloway when healthy can take over a game, but he gets hurt a lot.

And after him it's a bunch of incredibly average WRs.

So that's why I hope they come out of the first two rounds with a top WR.
It’s the best we’ve had in a while  
BillT : 4/27/2021 2:46 pm : link
But it’s only one deep. Golladay. Without him it’s a bottom 5 unit. That’s why I think WR should be the Giants top priority. Adding one true stud is the minimum. Getting that and another good prospect should be the goal. More talent at TE should also be on the table.
RE: It’s the best we’ve had in a while  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/27/2021 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15235867 BillT said:
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But it’s only one deep. Golladay. Without him it’s a bottom 5 unit. That’s why I think WR should be the Giants top priority. Adding one true stud is the minimum. Getting that and another good prospect should be the goal. More talent at TE should also be on the table.


The backend of the WR corps is much, much better. In recent years, once an injury popped up, it was laughable what we were trotting out there. I do agree that it could use another high end piece. Good draft to marry value and need.
I think you're missing it  
Grizz99 : 4/27/2021 2:58 pm : link
1. Last years edition suffered mightily from no preseason. A new coordinator and a new system never got properly implemented. Right there will be a fundamental and significant Improvement.
2. Saquon Barkley and both his running inability to get deep in the passing game, changes everything. And positively so
3. Rudolph is big, experienced and a big addition particularly in the red zone. We lacked this very necessary type of receiver last year. It's a big plus
4. E.E.and Slayton had off years, both should be better, particularly Slayton. 1 nobody seems to recognize the measurables that Slayton brings along with intelligence and dedication. I think Evan gets instantly better when he's not the number one picture in the rotation. Then just his deep threat helps everybody else.
5. An improved offensive line, that we are almost certainly going to see, makes everyone a better.
6. Ross is one of the fastest men in the league. And had a superb college career. Even if he doesn't return to form and all they do is send him running in the straight line oh, he has the potential to open things up.
6 did I mention Golloday yet?]] He'll help of course, but even without him this is a significantly different and significantly better Corps.
Excited? No.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2021 3:04 pm : link
Golladay makes them an NFL-caliber unit but they could use more help.

It's still more important that the OL is satisfactory though.

This WR group is enough to win games with if the line does their part.
If the OL and Jones  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/27/2021 3:06 pm : link
take a big step forward they will look much better. Barkley if he comes back as strong will change how defenses play them. Offense is all about balance and exploiting what D's try to take away. If the load up for Barkley the Giants have better threats to handle it.

I suspect it's still TBD....but Galloday offers a ripple effect  
George from PA : 4/27/2021 3:07 pm : link
He mandates added attentions....for that matter so does Barkley...which should free up the others.

OL must block better.

OC must develop better plays.
letting Ross down the field  
Chip : 4/27/2021 3:07 pm : link
will draw double coverage and like you said open things up for everyone else. If its single coverage just throw it long and see what happens. He needs to stay healthy which has been his problem
we now have a relatively average WR group  
djm : 4/27/2021 3:12 pm : link
maybe that's being kind, but at least the position carries with it 3-4 guys that all fit a role. Tate was not a #1 outside WR anymore. Galladay is even if he isn't Terrel Owens or Tory Holt in his prime. He's at least solid. Shep is a solid to very solid slot. Slayton is sort of a wildcard.

We have a decent group now but this isn't the 1990 Niners WR core even on their best day.

Stop over thinking it. There is no future HOF at WR. If you can draft a potential one, you're running to the podium. Even on its best day it's one injury away from awful and Slayton may not even be a legit starter. The position isn't a state of crisis anymore, but it still could use HR talent.

corps  
djm : 4/27/2021 3:12 pm : link
not core.
RE: RE: It’s the best we’ve had in a while  
BillT : 4/27/2021 3:15 pm : link
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But it’s only one deep. Golladay. Without him it’s a bottom 5 unit. That’s why I think WR should be the Giants top priority. Adding one true stud is the minimum. Getting that and another good prospect should be the goal. More talent at TE should also be on the table.



The backend of the WR corps is much, much better. In recent years, once an injury popped up, it was laughable what we were trotting out there. I do agree that it could use another high end piece. Good draft to marry value and need.

What makes the back end better? Ross, Pettis, Mack? Maybe but not that you can count on. Any of them could be cut and it wouldn’t be a surprise. Slayton, Shepard and Golladay are the only known commodities we have at WR.
If we add someone I like  
Biteymax22 : 4/27/2021 3:16 pm : link
In round 1-3 I'll be excited, especially if its D. Smith, Waddle or someone of that level.

As of right now we're a Golladay injury from looking just like we did last year. Ross is a gamble, we can't rely on him but hopefully we'll hit.
I am hoping the big emphasis  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/27/2021 3:18 pm : link
that Garrett coaches and schemes for is winning 1st down. Get to 2nd and 4-6 yards. Everyone will benefit.
If Slayton only plays like he did as a rookie  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2021 3:19 pm : link
he's a good player and a value piece.

The table is set for him to do that with Golladay on the same field.
Talk to me on Thursday at around 930 if we  
Metnut : 4/27/2021 3:25 pm : link
get Smith. Then I’ll be pumped.
think of it this way  
djm : 4/27/2021 3:30 pm : link
do the Giants think Slayton is better than any of the hot shot WRs in this draft? If you believe that they do, I have a bridge to sell you.

If the Giants see Smith or Waddle as a player that would come in and start from the jump, they will be all over him.

Slayton was a 5th round pick. He caught under 60 passes last year despite starting every game. There are things you can see on film that lead one to conclude he has trouble beating the jam and/or good coverage.

Not even counting SHepard who we know isn't perfect by any means.

We drafted Ruben Randle when Nicks and Cruz were on the team.
No. Don't be excited.  
Mike from Ohio : 4/27/2021 4:13 pm : link
Never, ever be excited. It leads to disappointment.
Some here act like we didn't add any new targets lol  
Rjanyg : 4/27/2021 4:29 pm : link
Golladay, Ross, Rudolph, Booker have made this offense much better. Barkley coming back is important to the success of this offense.

Slayton, Shepard and Engram are solid players, added to the new additions we actually have some fire power.

And please remember, the draft is deep with WR so if we don't take one at 11 there are some very good players in round 2-4. They could just take Smith or Waddle and be done with adding talent but I think they go in another direction and take a WR later.
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EmusNYG : 4/27/2021 4:31 pm : link
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I'm and idiot, thanks. There isn't a way to edit it is there?



ahhh don't be so hard on yourself...

some things ya know, some things ya don't know...but once ya know, then ya know.....ya know?


The more ya know, the more ya know
still think a lot depends on the running game  
bc4life : 4/27/2021 4:31 pm : link
If the OLine can run the ball consistently, and most of the corps stay healthy - there is reason to be excited.
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BMac : 4/27/2021 4:41 pm : link
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RE: think of it this way  
EmusNYG : 4/27/2021 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15235938 djm said:
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do the Giants think Slayton is better than any of the hot shot WRs in this draft? If you believe that they do, I have a bridge to sell you.

If the Giants see Smith or Waddle as a player that would come in and start from the jump, they will be all over him.

Slayton was a 5th round pick. He caught under 60 passes last year despite starting every game. There are things you can see on film that lead one to conclude he has trouble beating the jam and/or good coverage.

Not even counting SHepard who we know isn't perfect by any means.

We drafted Ruben Randle when Nicks and Cruz were on the team.


We also drafted Steve Smith when we had Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer on the roster. Maybe Smith and flurish like Steve Smith did, without ending his career the same way Steve Smith did.
RE: Not really - not at this point  
Bergen346 : 4/27/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15235795 DavidinBMNY said:
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Sheppard and Slayton are nice players, but I do not think they are sure fired starters for 31 other NFL teams. Golladay is starting on most teams. Another add here would make the group exciting. Right now you are just hoping no one gets injured, which is inevitable.


Shepard not a starter on 31 other teams? That’s a stretch
RE: RE: think of it this way  
Angel Eyes : 4/27/2021 6:26 pm : link
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do the Giants think Slayton is better than any of the hot shot WRs in this draft? If you believe that they do, I have a bridge to sell you.

If the Giants see Smith or Waddle as a player that would come in and start from the jump, they will be all over him.

Slayton was a 5th round pick. He caught under 60 passes last year despite starting every game. There are things you can see on film that lead one to conclude he has trouble beating the jam and/or good coverage.

Not even counting SHepard who we know isn't perfect by any means.

We drafted Ruben Randle when Nicks and Cruz were on the team.



We also drafted Steve Smith when we had Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer on the roster. Maybe Smith and flurish like Steve Smith did, without ending his career the same way Steve Smith did.

Ditto for Manningham. Both Toomer and Burress were still on the team in ‘08 when Manningham was drafted.
RE: absolutely...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/27/2021 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15235849 Brown_Hornet said:
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...the best part about being a fan is that YOU get to set the bar.

You can decide that they will suck and be miserable until they impress you then you can enjoy.

You can also decide that they will be good and also enjoy when they do.

If the disappoint, you can continue your misery or you can realize that you may have been a bit too excited about their prospects.

Either way, in the end, you'll either be happy or disappointed.

In the beginning, you get to choose how you feel.


strong post...
RE: RE: RE: It’s the best we’ve had in a while  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/27/2021 6:30 pm : link
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The backend of the WR corps is much, much better. In recent years, once an injury popped up, it was laughable what we were trotting out there. I do agree that it could use another high end piece. Good draft to marry value and need.


What makes the back end better? Ross, Pettis, Mack? Maybe but not that you can count on. Any of them could be cut and it wouldn’t be a surprise. Slayton, Shepard and Golladay are the only known commodities we have at WR.


Yes that's exactly why I think the back end is better. Ross and Pettis both can play and belong on an NFL football field. Lots of NFL teams have guys that shouldn't even sniff an NFL field in those spots. Look at the Cowboys. Nice big 3, but nothing after that.
RE: RE: Not really - not at this point  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/27/2021 6:34 pm : link
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Sheppard and Slayton are nice players, but I do not think they are sure fired starters for 31 other NFL teams. Golladay is starting on most teams. Another add here would make the group exciting. Right now you are just hoping no one gets injured, which is inevitable.



Shepard not a starter on 31 other teams? That’s a stretch


Yeh Shepard is a very solid slot player, that can give you some ability on the outside. His problem is health. And the fact he was our best WR threat last year and is not a fit for that role at all, even though he's been asked to do it multiple times now. Golladay and a 1st round WR would put that shit in rear view mirror.
Yeah, I am looking forward to a better receiving corps  
Jimmy Googs : 4/27/2021 6:34 pm : link
for certain.

Golladay should be a nice weapon based on his abilities (and contract), and would like to think he and Barkley on the field together will draw enough attention that it should allow other folks to be more productive as well.

Grab another WR in Rd 1 or 2 and go to work...
I'd feel a lot better about the WR corps if I could guarantee...  
Klaatu : 4/27/2021 6:40 pm : link
That they'd all stay relatively healthy, but that's not possible. That's one reason I'd like to see the Giants draft at least on good WR prospect this year.
We will be  
Joe Beckwith : 4/27/2021 6:49 pm : link
Once we get another WR in one of rounds 1-3.
You weren’t wrong. You just misspelled receiving CORPSE  
Ivan15 : 4/27/2021 7:04 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2021 7:13 pm : link
@ this minute, no. We are one KG injury away from being one of the worst corps in the league. That's why I want Smith; we need all the playmakers we can get.
Corps, don't forget,  
TLong : 4/27/2021 8:21 pm : link
the ps are silent. Some famous people don't seem to know that.
Not yet. We need another top end talent out there  
glowrider : 4/27/2021 8:46 pm : link
But, we do have a TON of speed to stretch the defense out. In that respect, I like where we are heading. We need that 1a/1b guy to pair with Golladay and this could be a legit professional football team.
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