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section125 : 4/28/2021 7:47 am
Good morning. Boy did Kluber look like Kluber last night.

Anyway, the promotion of Kyle Higashioka almost certainly starts the "Gary Watch", doesn't it? Tauchman was traded probably because of his lack of hitting. Is El Gary next?

I do not know if there is an organizational backup catcher at the alternate site. Chirinos won't be ready for a while, but would absolutely be able to play if Sanchez were traded. Perhaps they wait until Chirinos is healed before trading Sanchez. (I am assuming Chirinos is still with the Yankees...)

And, what could you get for Sanchez? I think he needs a change of scenery to a lower profile team. Perhaps the change of catching style messed with his head enough to carry over to the plate.

I do think we are kidding ourselves if we expect Higgy to keep hitting like he has been. Eventually the scouts will find his weakness, although there probably was a book on him since he was at AAA for so long.

It is sort of sad to see Sanchez fall apart. He has lost a ton of weight the last two years to improve his agility but still has trouble moving. But perhaps they sit on him, work on his bat to either help him recognize pitches or move him away from pulling everything. He used to get out of funks by going opposite field, now he doesn't go the other way at all.

Well Yankees fans, what thinkest thou?
I think you're right. He's clearly regressed and it doesn't look like  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2021 7:49 am : link
he'll ever be the player we thought he would be. Too bad.

There are a lot of guys like that on this team. He's just the most obvious.
I think he's done from a mental perspective  
Sec 103 : 4/28/2021 7:52 am : link
add to that his inability to show a sense of urgency, kind of like, hey I made it, no need to worry. Too bad, great potential, but potential alone does not carry the day. Higgy, well we'll see....
Sanchez is a goner for sure  
averagejoe : 4/28/2021 8:00 am : link
No value you at all to Yanks since we already have a full time DH. He will be dumped for prospects to restock farm. He had the talent but not the desire to be great. Sad.
I'm 100% fine with Higgy being the guy.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/28/2021 8:01 am : link
Look around the league. Offensive catchers really don't exist so what Higgy is doing is remarkable and when you factor in that he is so much better behind the plate than Sanchez I would move on from Sanchez.
I am rooting hard for Hagashioka  
PA Aggie : 4/28/2021 8:02 am : link
If he can hit .250-ish (of course would love to see a bit better) and an occasional HR, I will be content.

I do feel bad for Sanchez, it seems he has put effort into getting more fit and improving a few nuances of his game, but we have seen a large enough sample size of his O and D that I no longer think he is in our future.
Sanchez's problem  
k2tampa : 4/28/2021 8:05 am : link
If you want to know what has happened to Sanchez go back and look at his spray charts from 2016 and 2017. Sure, he is a pull hitter, but Gary used all fields when he came up. Judge arrived in 2017, and Stanton a year later and everything became about home runs. And I believe Gary started trying to hit everything 500 feet to leftfield to be part of the crowd. His swing has gotten long, particularly on quality fastballs right down the middle and he can't catch up.

In 2016, in just 60 games, he hit 2 of his 20 HRs to right field, but had eight other line drives that way and four ground ball hits. In 2019 and 2020 combined he hit five HRs to right field, but had a grand total of FOUR other line drives hit that way, and just one ground ball single. When Gary hits the ball up the middle (and to right) consistently he's a good hitter. When he is aiming for the big scoreboard behind the bleachers in left, he's not worth the MLB minimum salary.
RE: I think he's done from a mental perspective  
section125 : 4/28/2021 8:24 am : link
In comment 15236805 Sec 103 said:
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add to that his inability to show a sense of urgency, kind of like, hey I made it, no need to worry. Too bad, great potential, but potential alone does not carry the day. Higgy, well we'll see....


I think he has tried very hard but has the appearance of not trying. Look at the weight he has lost - his uni looks baggy. He has changed to the one knee catching style(a mistake IMHO). I think he has a confused, almost resigned look about him. Just lost. That is why I think he needs to go to another team - get away from the Yankees - a total reset.
RE: Sanchez's problem  
mfsd : 4/28/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15236836 k2tampa said:
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If you want to know what has happened to Sanchez go back and look at his spray charts from 2016 and 2017. Sure, he is a pull hitter, but Gary used all fields when he came up. Judge arrived in 2017, and Stanton a year later and everything became about home runs. And I believe Gary started trying to hit everything 500 feet to leftfield to be part of the crowd. His swing has gotten long, particularly on quality fastballs right down the middle and he can't catch up.

In 2016, in just 60 games, he hit 2 of his 20 HRs to right field, but had eight other line drives that way and four ground ball hits. In 2019 and 2020 combined he hit five HRs to right field, but had a grand total of FOUR other line drives hit that way, and just one ground ball single. When Gary hits the ball up the middle (and to right) consistently he's a good hitter. When he is aiming for the big scoreboard behind the bleachers in left, he's not worth the MLB minimum salary.


Good post, I think you’re spot on here. He hit .278 with .345 OBP over a full season in 2017, he wasn’t always this bad

Offense aside, I don’t know exactly the reasons, could be as simple as pitch selection and confidence in the catcher, but it’s also very noticeable how better our starters are throwing to Higgy at this point too
RE: RE: I think he's done from a mental perspective  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15236865 section125 said:
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add to that his inability to show a sense of urgency, kind of like, hey I made it, no need to worry. Too bad, great potential, but potential alone does not carry the day. Higgy, well we'll see....



I think he has tried very hard but has the appearance of not trying. Look at the weight he has lost - his uni looks baggy. He has changed to the one knee catching style(a mistake IMHO). I think he has a confused, almost resigned look about him. Just lost. That is why I think he needs to go to another team - get away from the Yankees - a total reset.


good post
We're not going to get anything for Sanchez  
Ron from Ninerland : 4/28/2021 8:39 am : link
Its delusional thinking that we'll get anything. This is a player who's batted under .200 for since 2020 and was barely over .200 before that. Add to that, he's a lousy catcher. His only value is that he occasionally hits home runs. Like Jay Bruce and Chris Carter before him, the only team in baseball that values that is the Yankees. We'd be lucky to get a player to be named later.

What probably happens for the rest of this year is that he becomes the backup catcher and sometime DH after Stanton gets hurt again. after the season he'll be non tendered.
RE: RE: Sanchez's problem  
section125 : 4/28/2021 8:40 am : link
In comment 15236874 mfsd said:
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.....but it’s also very noticeable how better our starters are throwing to Higgy at this point too


I agree with this. Pitchers just look better with Higgy. I thought Gary has called good games, but he seems to have lost that. But clearly Higgy's ability to block pitches allows the pitchers to let it go and feel confident the ball will be in front...
and of course, another mystery Judge injury has arisen  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2021 8:46 am : link
another player who I don't think will ever be what we hoped but for different reason: he can't stay healthy. and he's not young anymore. he just turned 29. I doubt he turns into a healthy, 145 games/yr player in his 30s.
The bloom is off many of the "Star" Yankee players now  
Rick in Dallas : 4/28/2021 9:00 am : link
Sanchez,Torres,Stanton and Judge have totally underperformed expectations.
Besides Cole, our starting pitchers are very suspect. I bet Cashman didn't see this coming???
You’ll get some low-mid level  
GFAN52 : 4/28/2021 9:06 am : link
Minor league prospects for him, that’s it.
The Right Thing To Do  
NJLCO : 4/28/2021 9:33 am : link
For all parties involved it makes sense to find a team for Gary.
Give him a fresh start and the Yankees move on.
It’s time.

RE: Sanchez is a goner for sure  
Bricktop : 4/28/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15236830 averagejoe said:
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No value you at all to Yanks since we already have a full time DH. He will be dumped for prospects to restock farm. He had the talent but not the desire to be great. Sad.


No desire to be great? Sorry, but you don't know that. None of us do. He's done everything the Yankees have asked. Changed behind the plate, lost weight, adjust his hitting, etc. Maybe he's just not as good as we all thought he'd be. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. But to judge someone's "desire" from the couch is BS, imo.
RE: RE: Sanchez's problem  
k2tampa : 4/28/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15236874 mfsd said:
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If you want to know what has happened to Sanchez go back and look at his spray charts from 2016 and 2017. Sure, he is a pull hitter, but Gary used all fields when he came up. Judge arrived in 2017, and Stanton a year later and everything became about home runs. And I believe Gary started trying to hit everything 500 feet to leftfield to be part of the crowd. His swing has gotten long, particularly on quality fastballs right down the middle and he can't catch up.

In 2016, in just 60 games, he hit 2 of his 20 HRs to right field, but had eight other line drives that way and four ground ball hits. In 2019 and 2020 combined he hit five HRs to right field, but had a grand total of FOUR other line drives hit that way, and just one ground ball single. When Gary hits the ball up the middle (and to right) consistently he's a good hitter. When he is aiming for the big scoreboard behind the bleachers in left, he's not worth the MLB minimum salary.



Good post, I think you’re spot on here. He hit .278 with .345 OBP over a full season in 2017, he wasn’t always this bad

Offense aside, I don’t know exactly the reasons, could be as simple as pitch selection and confidence in the catcher, but it’s also very noticeable how better our starters are throwing to Higgy at this point too


And unfortunately we're seeing some of the same signs with Torres. Hopefully he can break the habit.
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Danny Kanell : 4/28/2021 10:15 am : link
Sanchez is the Evan Engram of catchers. I'm at the point where I'm looking forward to the day he's no longer a Yankee. And I'm a guy who loved him early on. At some point, enough is enough.
The Yankees are so over produced they can't perform to their talent  
arniefez : 4/28/2021 10:16 am : link
They were caught sleeping by the Red Sox use of analytics about 15 years ago and their answer was to hire about a 100 guys with laptops and throw money at it with no nuance. They use a one size fits all player instruction method for pitchers and hitters and allow for no individual freedom. They treat their players like robots and their players play like lifeless robots.

Sanchez is one of the most glaring symptoms of that problem but far from the only one.

Everything the Yankees do is heavy-handed and dictated from the top. They've turned their manager into a eunuch and sucked the fun and life out of the players and the fan base.

2021 so far is a continuation of 2019 and 2020 this didn't happen over night. I still expect them to beat up on bad teams enough to make or challenge for the playoffs with the same final results they've settled into. Win a series or 2 every few years and then have the GM for life tell us how disappointed and close they are.
RE: RE: Sanchez is a goner for sure  
averagejoe : 4/28/2021 10:27 am : link
In comment 15237038 Bricktop said:
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In comment 15236830 averagejoe said:


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No value you at all to Yanks since we already have a full time DH. He will be dumped for prospects to restock farm. He had the talent but not the desire to be great. Sad.



No desire to be great? Sorry, but you don't know that. None of us do. He's done everything the Yankees have asked. Changed behind the plate, lost weight, adjust his hitting, etc. Maybe he's just not as good as we all thought he'd be. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. But to judge someone's "desire" from the couch is BS, imo.
Lighten up Francis. It is my opinion that Sanchez has changed his approach at the plate because his only interest appears to be hitting HR's now. That has ruined his game. I believe if he wanted to make contact more often he would be able to do it. Nothing more than that.
I fixed it for you  
arniefez : 4/28/2021 10:43 am : link
Sanchez has changed his approach at the plate because the Yankees organization's only interest is hitting HR's. Torres swings so hard he's about to fall down now. It's ridiculous.
RE: The Yankees are so over produced they can't perform to their talent  
Spirit of '86 : 4/28/2021 10:58 am : link
Excellent post. Agree 100%

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They were caught sleeping by the Red Sox use of analytics about 15 years ago and their answer was to hire about a 100 guys with laptops and throw money at it with no nuance. They use a one size fits all player instruction method for pitchers and hitters and allow for no individual freedom. They treat their players like robots and their players play like lifeless robots.

Sanchez is one of the most glaring symptoms of that problem but far from the only one.

Everything the Yankees do is heavy-handed and dictated from the top. They've turned their manager into a eunuch and sucked the fun and life out of the players and the fan base.

2021 so far is a continuation of 2019 and 2020 this didn't happen over night. I still expect them to beat up on bad teams enough to make or challenge for the playoffs with the same final results they've settled into. Win a series or 2 every few years and then have the GM for life tell us how disappointed and close they are.
RE: The Yankees are so over produced they can't perform to their talent  
Victor in CT : 4/28/2021 11:01 am : link
In comment 15237063 arniefez said:
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They were caught sleeping by the Red Sox use of analytics about 15 years ago and their answer was to hire about a 100 guys with laptops and throw money at it with no nuance. They use a one size fits all player instruction method for pitchers and hitters and allow for no individual freedom. They treat their players like robots and their players play like lifeless robots.

Sanchez is one of the most glaring symptoms of that problem but far from the only one.

Everything the Yankees do is heavy-handed and dictated from the top. They've turned their manager into a eunuch and sucked the fun and life out of the players and the fan base.

2021 so far is a continuation of 2019 and 2020 this didn't happen over night. I still expect them to beat up on bad teams enough to make or challenge for the playoffs with the same final results they've settled into. Win a series or 2 every few years and then have the GM for life tell us how disappointed and close they are.


good post arnie
RE: The Yankees are so over produced they can't perform to their talent  
Bricktop : 4/28/2021 11:18 am : link
In comment 15237063 arniefez said:
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They were caught sleeping by the Red Sox use of analytics about 15 years ago and their answer was to hire about a 100 guys with laptops and throw money at it with no nuance. They use a one size fits all player instruction method for pitchers and hitters and allow for no individual freedom. They treat their players like robots and their players play like lifeless robots.

Sanchez is one of the most glaring symptoms of that problem but far from the only one.

Everything the Yankees do is heavy-handed and dictated from the top. They've turned their manager into a eunuch and sucked the fun and life out of the players and the fan base.

2021 so far is a continuation of 2019 and 2020 this didn't happen over night. I still expect them to beat up on bad teams enough to make or challenge for the playoffs with the same final results they've settled into. Win a series or 2 every few years and then have the GM for life tell us how disappointed and close they are.


Can't really argue against any of this. They're barely .500 over the last 80+ games dating back to last year and have clearly regressed across the board.

So far they're 28th in BA, 28th in SLG, 26th in OPS. Last year, they ranked in the top 7 in OBP, SLG and OPS - BA was 14th. Something is clearly wrong this season. Even DLM looks lost.
While I agree  
BigBluesman : 4/28/2021 11:19 am : link
that Gary could use a change of scenery, if you trade him you are probably making a downgrade at backup C, which is a real position of need over the course of a baseball season. I say keep him around and let him catch once a week. How much could they get for him anyway?

Also, will always love the player. Not convinced the effort hasn't been there. Sad to see.
Arnie nails it.  
Red Dog : 4/28/2021 12:21 pm : link
Should someone get hurt or Sanchez get moved, ex-SF Giant Rob Brantly would probably be the next catcher up at this point.

But I don't expect them to trade Sanchez this season.

However, with guys like Austin Wells, Josh Breaux, and Anthony Siegler in the pipeline, El Gary's days are numbered any way you look at it.
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Scooter185 : 4/28/2021 12:38 pm : link
The last 4-5 years of Yankees baseball is honestly part of why I can't get excited about the Giants just based on what's on paper.

Judge's performance and health issues especially get me, I've been a fan of his since he was in the Sally League

Yankees are  
Bricktop : 4/28/2021 1:19 pm : link
5-12 when Sanchez starts and 5-1 when Higgy starts. It's not just the hitting and defense - looks like the pitching responds in kind as well.
Yeah, I can't argue with arnie there either.  
bceagle05 : 4/28/2021 1:43 pm : link
I know we all like to clown Sonny Gray for not being "tough enough to handle NY," but he made some scary comments after leaving with regards to how strongly the Yankees dictated what pitches he would throw. He felt like he was playing against his strengths and lacked confidence in the plan - is that really worth whatever advantage the front office nerds think they're gaining? Definitely some paralysis by analysis.
I thought Britton looked like a different pitcher too  
bceagle05 : 4/28/2021 1:44 pm : link
when he was throwing to Higgy more in the postseason. Not sure he trusts Sanchez to handles those sinkers in the dirt, and who could blame him?
RE: Sanchez's problem  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2021 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15236836 k2tampa said:
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If you want to know what has happened to Sanchez go back and look at his spray charts from 2016 and 2017. Sure, he is a pull hitter, but Gary used all fields when he came up. Judge arrived in 2017, and Stanton a year later and everything became about home runs. And I believe Gary started trying to hit everything 500 feet to leftfield to be part of the crowd. His swing has gotten long, particularly on quality fastballs right down the middle and he can't catch up.

In 2016, in just 60 games, he hit 2 of his 20 HRs to right field, but had eight other line drives that way and four ground ball hits. In 2019 and 2020 combined he hit five HRs to right field, but had a grand total of FOUR other line drives hit that way, and just one ground ball single. When Gary hits the ball up the middle (and to right) consistently he's a good hitter. When he is aiming for the big scoreboard behind the bleachers in left, he's not worth the MLB minimum salary.


Great post. His insistence on pulling the ball all of the time has led to even his hard hit balls being gobbled up by the shift and the outfielders being in perfect position to catch anything he hits hard out there. No player should consistently have a BABIP this low. Gary’s BABIP is 25 points lower than the next closest player since 2018. That’s absurd.

I also think the “pitchers are better with other catchers” narrative was a bit overdone. Severino put up his best numbers with Sanchez. Surprisingly, that’s also true with guys like Zach Britton and Chad Green.

But it ends eventually for everyone when they don’t perform. Gary hasn’t performed in a long time. However, the hate some fans have for him is ridiculous.
Yanks just improved with the benching.  
xman : 4/28/2021 2:10 pm : link
I like Sanchez as a backup. As for Higgy, I think his power is legit. Gary can't lay off that low pitch outside the zone.
A better bench would have been having a tutor like Johnny Bench if he could reach Gary
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