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NFT: Bulls @ Knicks 7:30 pm

Del Shofner : 4/28/2021 12:16 pm
Looking at the standings, this is not exactly must-win, but fair to say it's at least they-better-win.
It is must win  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 12:30 pm : link
with the tough schedule coming up..

Bulls have been playing really big with Theis and Vucevic starting together and having lineups with Markannen at the 3..

It is how they beat the Heat, just killed them inside
Knicms sign Luca!!  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 12:42 pm : link
Luca Vildosta exoected to sign with Knicks, no idea who he is
Vildoza  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 12:47 pm : link
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Burks out of health and safety protocols  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 12:56 pm : link
and has rejoined the team
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 12:57 pm : link
Gotta win tonight.
Del  
ChicagoMarty : 4/28/2021 1:02 pm : link
This game is viewed as must win for Da Bulls!

No Lavine for the Bulls.

But they seem to play better without him imo
RE: Knicms sign Luca!!  
Enzo : 4/28/2021 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15237458 nygiants16 said:
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Luca Vildosta exoected to sign with Knicks, no idea who he is

there were rumors of them looking at this guy 1-2 weeks ago. I guess they made it happen. I wonder what they're paying him. They certainly have the leftover cap room to be generous.
Burks is back and this game is must win!  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 1:16 pm : link
We need to beat the teams would should beat to keep the 4 seed.
Bulls, Rockets, Grizzlies, Spurs, Hornets, and Celtics.
Lose to Nuggets, Suns, Clippers, and Lakers
That gets us to 40 wins and the 4 seed.
6-4 in the last 10 starts tonight.

BTW who would have thought we would be discussing 40 F'ing wins!!!
RE: RE: Knicms sign Luca!!  
NYG22 : 4/28/2021 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15237558 Enzo said:
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Luca Vildosta exoected to sign with Knicks, no idea who he is


there were rumors of them looking at this guy 1-2 weeks ago. I guess they made it happen. I wonder what they're paying him. They certainly have the leftover cap room to be generous.


Any word on whether he will join them this season or next?
RE: Burks out of health and safety protocols  
Del Shofner : 4/28/2021 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15237517 nygiants16 said:
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and has rejoined the team


That's good news.
RE: RE: RE: Knicms sign Luca!!  
DanMetroMan : 4/28/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15237647 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15237458 nygiants16 said:


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Luca Vildosta exoected to sign with Knicks, no idea who he is


there were rumors of them looking at this guy 1-2 weeks ago. I guess they made it happen. I wonder what they're paying him. They certainly have the leftover cap room to be generous.



Any word on whether he will join them this season or next?


I answered your question on the other thread. He's taking the final roster spot on the current team per Ian Begley.
Not sure if anyone else saw this or if it was posted  
Jan in DC : 4/28/2021 3:37 pm : link
but I always think these sorts of videos are fun and a little insight into the personality of players
IQ's 10 essential things... - ( New Window )
(from 2019)  
DanMetroMan : 4/28/2021 3:50 pm : link
Emiliano #BLM
@EmilianoNaiar8
If I were a lottery team looking to add depth on the pg, I'd try to bring @Baskonia
's Luca Vildoza (@LucaVildoza
) in the league next summer.
He's a 6'3" Argentinian guard, 23yo, pretty efficient (59.7 TS%), good passer, with an high IQ and he has already played +300 pro games

Emiliano #BLM
@EmilianoNaiar8
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Feb 14, 2019
Replying to
@SKPearlman
and
@LucaVildoza
I have a ton of clips on my laptop. Nba-role potential for sure and his on-ball defense is probably a little bit underrated
Hopefully with Burks coming back  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 3:54 pm : link
And Rose playing more minutes.
Ely gets moved down the bench I don't even want to see his 16 minutes a game anymore.
RE: Hopefully with Burks coming back  
Kev in Cali : 4/28/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15237931 larryflower37 said:
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And Rose playing more minutes.
Ely gets moved down the bench I don't even want to see his 16 minutes a game anymore.



I don't think it happens tonight, I don't see Burks playing more than 10-12 minutes on the second team to see if he's back to form after a couple weeks away.
Rose and Elf seem to pivot minutes. Burks was playing pretty well before his "illness"....IDK he could surprise.

Where does Burks fit in tonight?
RE: RE: Hopefully with Burks coming back  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15237959 Kev in Cali said:
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And Rose playing more minutes.
Ely gets moved down the bench I don't even want to see his 16 minutes a game anymore.




I don't think it happens tonight, I don't see Burks playing more than 10-12 minutes on the second team to see if he's back to form after a couple weeks away.
Rose and Elf seem to pivot minutes. Burks was playing pretty well before his "illness"....IDK he could surprise.

Where does Burks fit in tonight?

He has been clutch in the 4th quarter hopefully he comes back quickly
We are going to need him on this road trip
RE: RE: Hopefully with Burks coming back  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15237959 Kev in Cali said:
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And Rose playing more minutes.
Ely gets moved down the bench I don't even want to see his 16 minutes a game anymore.




I don't think it happens tonight, I don't see Burks playing more than 10-12 minutes on the second team to see if he's back to form after a couple weeks away.
Rose and Elf seem to pivot minutes. Burks was playing pretty well before his "illness"....IDK he could surprise.

Where does Burks fit in tonight?


I dont think Burks is playing tonight, most likely sunday, he was just cleared today, give him 3 days to practice with team and return aunday
As much as I could talk Knicks and love to hear it  
Stu11 : 4/28/2021 5:03 pm : link
What a glorious commute to and from work today listening to all the hosts on NBA radio absolutely lambaste the Celtics for that "effort" last night lol
No Kemba or Marcus Smart for Celtics  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 5:37 pm : link
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RE: As much as I could talk Knicks and love to hear it  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15238131 Stu11 said:
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What a glorious commute to and from work today listening to all the hosts on NBA radio absolutely lambaste the Celtics for that "effort" last night lol


They are not playing like they are in a push for the playoffs.
Couldn't happen to a better team.
Fuck Boston
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 6:40 pm : link
The Cs are a soft, soft team.

Also, Kevin Love apologized for his actions the other night vs. Toronto. It'd be best for all parties to go their separate ways.
RE: RE: As much as I could talk Knicks and love to hear it  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15238246 larryflower37 said:
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What a glorious commute to and from work today listening to all the hosts on NBA radio absolutely lambaste the Celtics for that "effort" last night lol



They are not playing like they are in a push for the playoffs.
Couldn't happen to a better team.
Fuck Boston


It's funny-- I hate the Celtics too (just as an organization in general) but I hate this team particularly more and I can't tell if it's just because they're the Celtics or if there's something more there. I just think Brad Stevens is an annoying little c**t. And something about Jayson Tatum I really don't like too-- he just kinda strikes me as a dumbass; I just imagine him playing video games and eating Doritos all the time and getting Doritos dust all over the controller and never cleaning it off. Marcus Smart annoys tf out of me too. All of them do. IDK. I'm glad to see them failing.
RE: ...  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15238373 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The Cs are a soft, soft team.

Also, Kevin Love apologized for his actions the other night vs. Toronto. It'd be best for all parties to go their separate ways.


Soft is definitely a good way of putting it. Tristan Thompson is the most fake tough mf I've ever seen. Definitely b*tch tendencies. Jaylen Brown seems soft as well. I hate that Brad Stevens was viewed as a genius at one point, but very always happy to see he and everyone in that godforsaken city suffering. Good times.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 6:53 pm : link
I don't hate the Cs, but have to laugh @ Ainge waiting & waiting & waiting to land someone big & it never happens. First it was going to be KD. Then it was Irving to get AD. Then there was talk of Butler, Leonard, Harden, etc...struck out on all of them because-in part-I think Ainge thinks he can fleece all the other GMs.
See ya call the talented Celtics soft-hearted, reminds me  
Semipro Lineman : 4/28/2021 7:06 pm : link
As much as people shat on the last Knicks' regime, they did bring in dudes with toughness and heart when they were unable to get their free agent targets.

Everyone made fun of the power forward glut but the Knicks went from having Eric Kanter as the only enforcer type to having an entire team that stands up for itself. Now most this year's success is due to improved coaching and a better roster but I feel that Tribs did not have to teach toughness to the team as it was already there.
article on how Knox and Frank  
Enzo : 4/28/2021 7:06 pm : link
likely don't have much time left in NY. Plenty of teams miss in that part of the lottery, but to go back to back like that is soul crushing. With Knox especially, it seems like there were at least TWENTY guys picked after him in that draft that would have been better.
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RE: article on how Knox and Frank  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15238427 Enzo said:
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likely don't have much time left in NY. Plenty of teams miss in that part of the lottery, but to go back to back like that is soul crushing. With Knox especially, it seems like there were at least TWENTY guys picked after him in that draft that would have been better. Link - ( New Window )


Knox looked so good in Vegas that summer he was drafted...oh well. Neither of them are here long term.
RE: ...  
Semipro Lineman : 4/28/2021 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15238392 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don't hate the Cs, but have to laugh @ Ainge waiting & waiting & waiting to land someone big & it never happens. First it was going to be KD. Then it was Irving to get AD. Then there was talk of Butler, Leonard, Harden, etc...struck out on all of them because-in part-I think Ainge thinks he can fleece all the other GMs.


I don't think it is a coincidence that his former team-mate Kevin McHale never got another front office job after trading Garnett to the Celtics.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15238437 Semipro Lineman said:
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I don't hate the Cs, but have to laugh @ Ainge waiting & waiting & waiting to land someone big & it never happens. First it was going to be KD. Then it was Irving to get AD. Then there was talk of Butler, Leonard, Harden, etc...struck out on all of them because-in part-I think Ainge thinks he can fleece all the other GMs.



I don't think it is a coincidence that his former team-mate Kevin McHale never got another front office job after trading Garnett to the Celtics.


McHale gift wrapped KG to the Cs. That trade was obscene in terms of what MN got back for someone of KG's talent. And I chuckle when people go after LBJ for starting the 'super team' era...well, then what the hell were the '07'-'08 Cs? I get that KG & Allen were traded there, but that was a 'super team'. And that team might have won it all in '09 if KG doesn't get injured in some mid season game vs. the Jazz on TNT that I distinctly remember watching.
RE: RE: article on how Knox and Frank  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15238430 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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likely don't have much time left in NY. Plenty of teams miss in that part of the lottery, but to go back to back like that is soul crushing. With Knox especially, it seems like there were at least TWENTY guys picked after him in that draft that would have been better. Link - ( New Window )



Knox looked so good in Vegas that summer he was drafted...oh well. Neither of them are here long term.

Yeah this is probably it for Frank unless he resigns after no qualifying offer.
Knox has one more year to do something.
So disappointing for 2 lottery picks.
larry.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:37 pm : link
Never wanted Frank from all I read about him pre-draft. The man I wanted was Monk, who looked like a bust for awhile, but has become much better & is still super young. Obviously in hindsight, we take Mitchell, but se la vie.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:39 pm : link
76ers kicking Atlanta's ass.
Sad thing is  
bceagle05 : 4/28/2021 7:41 pm : link
I think we all knew both were bad picks at the time. Frank had no upside and Knox was horrendous at Kentucky. He’s like the one Kentucky guy who didn’t get better in the pros.
bc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:43 pm : link
Knox wasn't bad his rookie season, but has just regressed & just become another dude on the bench.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:47 pm : link
Nice start. Jump on this team.
I like to text my buddy things Clyde says right after he says them,  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 7:49 pm : link
but as though I came up with it myself. Just texted "Nice to see Randle moving and grooving."
RE: I like to text my buddy things Clyde says right after he says them,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15238544 Leg of Theismann said:
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but as though I came up with it myself. Just texted "Nice to see Randle moving and grooving."


He's a national treasure.
RE: RE: I like to text my buddy things Clyde says right after he says them,  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15238547 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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but as though I came up with it myself. Just texted "Nice to see Randle moving and grooving."



He's a national treasure.


I feel bad for every other NBA team's fans that don't hear Clyde nightly
Noel rising majestically.  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 7:56 pm : link
Nice.
LOT.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:57 pm : link
Knicks broadcasting duo is great with Breen & Clyde. Nets probably have the best broadcasting team. For whatever reason, I find myself watching a lot of Sacramento games & Christie is really good.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 7:57 pm : link
Lovely start.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:01 pm : link
Love this start for Knicks & Hawks...Hawks getting crushed in Philly & Knicks kicking Chicago's ass.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:02 pm : link
Randle...what can one say? If he doesn't win MIP, I want a like Warren Commission investigation.
Good start  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 8:04 pm : link
Don't let this team back into this game tonight.
Randle is on fire 🔥
pretty good  
Del Shofner : 4/28/2021 8:06 pm : link
first quarter -

keep it up
RE: LOT.  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15238566 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Knicks broadcasting duo is great with Breen & Clyde. Nets probably have the best broadcasting team. For whatever reason, I find myself watching a lot of Sacramento games & Christie is really good.


I absolutely love Mike Breen. His voice definitely gets me pumped for any game. It's great that he's the premier play-by-play guy for the NBA and he's also our guy. He's one of those guys who definitely has a TV voice whereas a lot of the local team play-by-play guys sound like more of a radio voice-- IDK how to explain it, like when I had to watch the Hawks team the other night their play-by-play guy's voice just sounded very 1930s baseball -style.

I honestly don't even know the Nets guys because I only have the league-pass for the Knicks and I live in Nashville, so I only see their national TV games. Just looked them up-- I have to say I'm not a big Richard Jefferson fan, though. I'll take Clyde all day. I do like Ian Eagle for play-by-play though.

The fact you can buy NBA league-pass for one team is the best thing ever-- I wish they had this for the NFL/Giants. And being able to watch the MSG coverage makes me feel at home-- and also they show the Garden jumbotron stuff in between instead of commercials which is awesome.
LOT.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:09 pm : link
NBA League Pass for the entire league is something absurd, like $150. If you are a hoops junkie like me, that's a no brainer. I probably watch about 7 or 8 non Knicks games a week so I get my money's worth. Right now, I'm flipping back & forth between Knicks & 76ers-Hawks. Last night I watched OKC Boston.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:13 pm : link
Come on. Can't let Chicago back into the game.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:18 pm : link
Pathetic start to this second quarter.
RE: LOT.  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15238597 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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NBA League Pass for the entire league is something absurd, like $150. If you are a hoops junkie like me, that's a no brainer. I probably watch about 7 or 8 non Knicks games a week so I get my money's worth. Right now, I'm flipping back & forth between Knicks & 76ers-Hawks. Last night I watched OKC Boston.


I may do that next year-- that is a good deal. I usually just care about the Knicks and then when they're not playing I'll watch whatever the game is on ESPN or TNT each night. Having the option to watch anyone would be nice-- especially when the Knicks actually have playoff implications to worry about in the other games now. Also especially would be nice at this time when baseball is taking over the airwaves-- ugh. I will also probably want to watch the Nets just for the spectacle of the Big 3 next year (I'm not one of those Knick fans who wishes ill on the Nets-- If they're playing the Knicks I hate them but if the Knicks are out of it I'll root the Nets).
Ridiculous  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 8:21 pm : link
Can't have anything nice.
Gotta make every game a dog fight
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:22 pm : link
Come the F on. The Bulls suck.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:26 pm : link
Thank God for JR.
White a delight.  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 8:27 pm : link
Randle saving them again
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:28 pm : link
Nice response.
I hate  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/28/2021 8:33 pm : link
Payton
RE: I hate  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15238649 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Payton


Join the club. nygiants16 & I are founding members.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 8:34 pm : link
Pathetic second quarter letting Chicago back into this game.
Barrett has been erratic, dramatic  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 8:52 pm : link
this season.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:00 pm : link
Wake the F up.
Team refuses to put teams away  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:01 pm : link
you let teams hang around you are going to lose, up 18 and for some reason let off the glass..

It is getting ridiculous at this point
Keep your fucking foot on the gas  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:04 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:04 pm : link
Nice stretch here.
hoky shit this team hates momentum  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:07 pm : link
..
What did anyone expect from  
Bricktop : 4/28/2021 9:08 pm : link
this ref crew of complete dogshit?
nice quiet elbow to the face by Barrett  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 9:09 pm : link
veteran play
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:10 pm : link
Vooch killing us.
Can’t shake these fellas.  
bceagle05 : 4/28/2021 9:11 pm : link
.
Rjs defense  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:12 pm : link
has been dog shit
RE: Can’t shake these fellas.  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15238742 bceagle05 said:
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this team never puts away anyone
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:14 pm : link
Good God. Chicago sucks.
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nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15238747 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Good God. Chicago sucks.


yet Knicks only up 1
Wally is always so positive  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 9:17 pm : link
and the way he speaks with such confidence always has me convinced that HE'S convinced that the Knicks are definitely going to win lol
How was that not shooting?  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:18 pm : link
..
IQ robbed of more free throws.  
bceagle05 : 4/28/2021 9:18 pm : link
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Well they can’t deny him on that one.  
bceagle05 : 4/28/2021 9:19 pm : link
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I'm here to bitch every time we get jobbed with officiating  
Stu11 : 4/28/2021 9:19 pm : link
Well we're getting a veeeeery friendly whistle tonight. We need to take advantage.
RE: I'm here to bitch every time we get jobbed with officiating  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15238761 Stu11 said:
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Well we're getting a veeeeery friendly whistle tonight. We need to take advantage.


The league may have actually come around to us being a good team finally. Just in time for the playoffs. "Force of habit" previously had them just assuming every call should go against the Knicks.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:28 pm : link
GREAT START.
and quickley has to sit  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:28 pm : link
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come on rj  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:30 pm : link
how many times you going to gice up a wide open 3? what are you doing?
Team refuses to put teams away  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:32 pm : link
..
RJ's  
Bricktop : 4/28/2021 9:32 pm : link
Defense has been abysmal and miserable tonight. Teflon D.
jesus christ barret  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:37 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:38 pm : link
Put this one in the books. 1 game lead over ATL. It looks like Cs will win tonight.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:39 pm : link
Just dominating 4th quarter. LOVE IT.
Finishing strong  
Greg from LI : 4/28/2021 9:39 pm : link
You love to see it
Give Quick credit  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:41 pm : link
he got them out to this lead to start the 4th
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2021 9:42 pm : link
Nice win. Fuck the Bulls.
1st three quarters  
CT Charlie : 4/28/2021 9:43 pm : link
aged Thibodeaux a year.
Knicks end up winning in a blowout  
dpinzow : 4/28/2021 9:43 pm : link
and move into fourth place in the East by themselves before the difficult Western trip
Thats how you close a game  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:45 pm : link
thank you
RE: Thats how you close a game  
Del Shofner : 4/28/2021 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15238815 nygiants16 said:
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thank you


yup
Julius and his son are cute as hell  
Bricktop : 4/28/2021 9:47 pm : link
Always a nice moment there with him and his wife. Great to see.
Obi starting to look like he is comfortable  
nygiants16 : 4/28/2021 9:50 pm : link
Rose off night shooting but still had 6 assists.

Rj great game offensively 22 7 and 6, but defensicely not his best night

Randle is a beast man great bounce back

Noel's hands on defense are amazing..
RE: Thats how you close a game  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15238815 nygiants16 said:
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thank you


Love to see it. I feel like they visibly grow a little more w/ each game.
Never make it easy.  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 9:52 pm : link
But damn 4th seed alone feels pretty damn good
3 days off and go crush the Rockets and Memphis in back to back.
#LFGK
I sure hope the bring Noel back  
steve in ky : 4/28/2021 9:59 pm : link
I don’t believe they put together this kind of stretch if he isn’t starting. His defense is just what this team needs. Trade Robinson and look to get Noel’s eventual replacement through the draft.
RE: I sure hope the bring Noel back  
Del Shofner : 4/28/2021 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15238837 steve in ky said:
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I don’t believe they put together this kind of stretch if he isn’t starting. His defense is just what this team needs. Trade Robinson and look to get Noel’s eventual replacement through the draft.


yeah was just going to say - quite a line for Noel:

29 minutes, plus 24. 8 points, 8 bounds, 3 assists. 5 blocks and 4 steals! Now that's a line for a C.
RJ's numbers  
Enzo : 4/28/2021 10:04 pm : link
looked good at the end of the game but I thought he played like crap for most of it. Not only did he have several defensive lapses, but even on offense it seemed like made the wrong play/decision multiple times.

RE: RE: I sure hope the bring Noel back  
larryflower37 : 4/28/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15238843 Del Shofner said:
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I don’t believe they put together this kind of stretch if he isn’t starting. His defense is just what this team needs. Trade Robinson and look to get Noel’s eventual replacement through the draft.



yeah was just going to say - quite a line for Noel:

29 minutes, plus 24. 8 points, 8 bounds, 3 assists. 5 blocks and 4 steals! Now that's a line for a C.

I would trade Mitch this off season and sign Noel to a modest deal.
He has been around the block and think he found a home here. I think the Knicks get a hometown deal.
Same with Rose and Taj.
RE: RJ's numbers  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15238848 Enzo said:
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looked good at the end of the game but I thought he played like crap for most of it. Not only did he have several defensive lapses, but even on offense it seemed like made the wrong play/decision multiple times.


Enzo-- I agree, but I think that's a sign of the high standard we hold RJ to now. I think if this was a year ago, any night RJ had gone 22/7/6 we would be saying it's a positive night for him. But you're right-- this was not his best game, but he's 20 years old and will still have lapses like that at times-- it's awesome to see how he just visibly looks more comfortable w/ the ball in his hands now compared to last year.
Damn  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 10:22 pm : link
Spurs almost came back-- big offensive rebound and put-back by Adabayo (plus the foul) puts the Heat up by 6 w/ 51 seconds left.
Awesome to look around at some of these  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 11:25 pm : link
probability % calculators and see the Knicks have a 98% or 97% chance of making the playoffs (which doesn't even include the play-in, they mean being in the top 8 AFTER the play-in and all is said and done-- one site said 97% the other said 98%).

The only one disrespecting them is ESPN, which has the playoffs odds at 81% for the Knicks. But that's nothing new. I found an ESPN article from a month ago at the end of March that only have the Knicks a 26% chance of making the top 8, and only a 6% chance of avoiding the play-in. This was despite the fact the Knicks had the 4th best record in the East at the time of the article! They just wrote "Knicks are expected to fall in the standings" with no real solid explanation why. AND NOW they're the only ones giving the Knicks a relatively low (81%, I said "relatively") chance of making the playoffs. To the no-nothings over at ESPN: KEEP DOUBTING US.

SInce it's multiple links I've pasted them in the body of my message... the link I have actually linked is the month-old ESPN article that now looks embarrassingly wrong (not that any of us picked the Knicks to do this this year but come on by a month ago we at least knew they were pretty good).


https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.html

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/4/8/22373059/playoff-lottery-odds-probability-model

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds
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At first those percentages sounded high  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 11:35 pm : link
By my calculation the 97% does make sense... I'll explain:

I put the Knicks over/under finish at 4-5.

So, given that, to land worse than the 6 seed ALL the following would need to happen:

HEAT: 5-4 or better (50% chance).
CELTICS: 5-4 or better, OR 6-3 or better IF they lose to the Knicks and hence lose the tiebreaker (50% chance).
HAWKS: 4-5 or better (50% chance).

So for all 3 to happen the chances are about 12.5% that the Knicks land in the play-in. (i.e. 50%^3)

Then comes the play-in... give the Knicks a 50% chance to lose the 1st game, then if they do let's say a 50% chance to lose the 2nd game. 12.5% * 50% * 50% = about 3%.
Hence that's a 3% chance they miss the playoffs (97% chance they are in the playoffs).
Woops!  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 11:43 pm : link
Sorry, I messed up typing...

I think it's better said like this:

for the Knicks to land in the play in, over the final 9 games all of the following would have to happen:
-Heat finish at least 2 games better than the Knicks.
-Celtics finish at least 2 games better than the Knicks (or 3 if the Knicks beat them in the finale).
-Hawks finish at least 2 games better than the Knicks.

I think 50/50 is a reasonable estimate for each of those scenarios, given the Knicks' more difficult schedule. Hence the chance they have to play the play-in is 50%^3 = 12.5%. From there the math is the same.
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Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 11:50 pm : link
(I really botched the "Heat/Celtics/Hawks" part in my 11:35 PM post sorry guys lol ignore that)

To sum it up more succinctly, I basically assigned a 50% chance to each of these 5 things right now:

-Heat finish ahead of the Knicks in the standings
-Celtics finish ahead of the Knicks in the standings
-Hawks finish ahead of the Knicks in the standings
-Knicks lose the 1st play-in game (if there is one)
-Knicks lose the 2nd play-in game (if there is one)

All 5 things would have to result in the Knicks being out of the playoffs, so 50%^5 = 3%
would have to happen*  
Leg of Theismann : 4/28/2021 11:50 pm : link
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Just finished on delay....  
chopperhatch : 4/28/2021 11:55 pm : link
Defense was BACK! RJ on the boards is getting even better. He is becoming so aggressive....love him proving me wrong.

I will say this, and it really concerns me for the playoffs, JR goes through about a 2-4 minute stretch where he goes full retard with the ball. I love the guy, but the spinning into the lane, the milking the clock down to 3 and dumping off to Noel on the wing has got to be reigned in.

Otherwise, great win. Nice sized break before what should be a gimme in Houston. Tough game in Memphis, but hopefully Burks adds to our firepower and we can take that one before we get ass-fucked by the West's elite.
RE: Just finished on delay....  
Leg of Theismann : 4/29/2021 1:12 am : link
In comment 15238948 chopperhatch said:
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Defense was BACK! RJ on the boards is getting even better. He is becoming so aggressive....love him proving me wrong.

I will say this, and it really concerns me for the playoffs, JR goes through about a 2-4 minute stretch where he goes full retard with the ball. I love the guy, but the spinning into the lane, the milking the clock down to 3 and dumping off to Noel on the wing has got to be reigned in.

Otherwise, great win. Nice sized break before what should be a gimme in Houston. Tough game in Memphis, but hopefully Burks adds to our firepower and we can take that one before we get ass-fucked by the West's elite.


Good point about Randle. I haven't paid attention to this too much: what % of the time is he running the offense as a point-forward when Payton is the 1 vs. when Rose is the 1 vs. when Quickley is the 1? I like Randle handling the point but I think it's too much pressure to expect him to do it so often and I wonder if this leads to the lapses you're referring to. Hopefully we'll see less of that when the Knicks get another true PG to take Payton's minutes, and also when they add a talented scoring Wing to flank JR and RJ and take some scoring pressure off of them.
RE: RE: Just finished on delay....  
chopperhatch : 4/29/2021 1:15 am : link
In comment 15238999 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 15238948 chopperhatch said:


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Defense was BACK! RJ on the boards is getting even better. He is becoming so aggressive....love him proving me wrong.

I will say this, and it really concerns me for the playoffs, JR goes through about a 2-4 minute stretch where he goes full retard with the ball. I love the guy, but the spinning into the lane, the milking the clock down to 3 and dumping off to Noel on the wing has got to be reigned in.

Otherwise, great win. Nice sized break before what should be a gimme in Houston. Tough game in Memphis, but hopefully Burks adds to our firepower and we can take that one before we get ass-fucked by the West's elite.



Good point about Randle. I haven't paid attention to this too much: what % of the time is he running the offense as a point-forward when Payton is the 1 vs. when Rose is the 1 vs. when Quickley is the 1? I like Randle handling the point but I think it's too much pressure to expect him to do it so often and I wonder if this leads to the lapses you're referring to. Hopefully we'll see less of that when the Knicks get another true PG to take Payton's minutes, and also when they add a talented scoring Wing to flank JR and RJ and take some scoring pressure off of them.


I seem to remember it was when Rose was in the game. Almost like he feels the need to MAKE himself a part of the O. Good question. It may have to do with he knows his schedule of time on the bench and tries to jam in some plays before that happens. Something to keep an eye on. Especially if Rose and IQ come into the game together which doesnt ALWAYS happen.
Onlg 11 minutes  
nygiants16 : 4/29/2021 7:46 am : link
but Obi starting to be a serviceable rotation player, but i thought you only get better playing 30 minutes a night?

Quickley looks to have surpassed the rookie wall, he goes on these 10 to 12 point spurts out of nowhere, will be huge in the playoffs..

Derrick Rose didnt have his best game tonight but he is going to be huge in the playoffs down the stretch of games, you could see his calming factor at the end of games.
Game was kind of a mirror of the suns game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2021 7:52 am : link
With the Knicks playing the role of the suns. Average game for 3 quarters, lock it down in the 4th.

Weirdly brainless minutes for RJ, but that 3PT shot is just so confident now.
One really encouraging sight for me:  
manh george : 4/29/2021 9:17 am : link

RJ making a 3 from dribble-and-shoot, rather than catch-and shoot. (link) Something like 95% of his threes have been catch and shoot, and his volume of scoring will spike if he can do it the other way. Him and Quickly both being able to play dribble-and-shoot from the 3 would be tough for teams to keep up with.
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RE: One really encouraging sight for me:  
Jan in DC : 4/29/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15239356 manh george said:
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RJ making a 3 from dribble-and-shoot, rather than catch-and shoot. (link) Something like 95% of his threes have been catch and shoot, and his volume of scoring will spike if he can do it the other way. Him and Quickly both being able to play dribble-and-shoot from the 3 would be tough for teams to keep up with. Link - ( New Window )


There have been a bunch of interviews with his shot coach who he worked with for like a month this offseason and they said they sort of broke him down and reworked the shot from the ground up.

He said over the course of the next offseason and probably the following couple, they will add other types of shots to his game, but they focused on his form and catch and shoot this offseason.

I just love that RJ puts in the work. If this season is any indication, RJ's game will come along because he's dedicated to the improvement.
Just reminding everyone  
bceagle05 : 4/29/2021 1:23 pm : link
the Knicks are the fourth seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Lot of work to do out West, but it's insane nonetheless.
Jan, yeah, there are things he doesn't try much yet...  
manh george : 4/29/2021 5:07 pm : link
if at all, including dribble-and-shoot, stop-and-pop, and Randle-like 12-footer from the side.

It is pretty dazzling to consider that the has considerably more offensive game to add. In addition, of course, from the current age of 20, he will just continue to get stronger. He is going to ultimately spend hours at the foul line shooting "and ones" after making muscle drives that almost no one else at the 2-3 can. And adding to his already-growing rebounding prowess. And his vison will grow, allowing him to be a really good secondary playmaker.

See the linked NY Post article, btw, entitled
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RJ Barrett’s rise from Knicks draft doubts to budding All-Star
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It is also going to be intriguing,
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from that article -  
Del Shofner : 4/29/2021 6:24 pm : link
"When the Knicks drafted Barrett, they also factored in having a strong father in Rowan Barrett who had guided his son through his basketball career. Rowan weaved his own accomplished career as a solid St. John’s swingman who played overseas and for Team Canada. Rowan is now GM of Team Canada."

And his godfather is Steve Nash (who I admire a lot even though he's Nets these days).

Your father is ex-St John's and GM of Team Canada, and your godfather is Steve Nash. Basketball in the DNA or what?
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