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NYG 2021 1st-Round Pick: WR Kadarius Toney

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2021 10:45 pm
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Wonder if they wanted him  
terptacular : 4/29/2021 10:55 pm : link
But thought they could get him later. They took a long time to make the pick. I wonder if they were waiting for an offer to trade further down.
RE: Not  
MookGiants : 4/29/2021 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15243182 AcidTest said:
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a fan. Some character concerns, as well as route running and awareness issues. Boom/bust potential. They wanted someone who resembled Smith, but this guy is much too big a risk for #20 IMO. Surprised they did this after the Baker debacle.


I dont see any route running issues. The character concerns are a question, but not route running imo. Focus is an issue which leads to some of his drops. I dont think he has bad hands, just a lack of focus sometimes. That can be fixed
Golladay is the deep threat  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/29/2021 10:56 pm : link
But they wanted a more consistent short/intermediate guy. That’s why I think they made this pick. Toney has monster short/intermediate potential if he puts it all together and maintains the athleticism

Shepard’s role is very confusing now though
We are going to be so fucking lethal on offense.  
Geomon : 4/29/2021 10:56 pm : link
Please turn in your fan cards here, naysayers.
RE: Sy ranked him 14th best wr  
Breeze_94 : 4/29/2021 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15243154 Big Blue '56 said:
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That seems a bit harsh. I did like Elijah Moore and Bateman though.

Stunned  
AcidTest : 4/29/2021 10:56 pm : link
that the Giants took him. What happened to building the right culture Joe? Toney is the opposite of that. Why would you take a player with character concerns like those and put him in New York?
Id like to know  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2021 10:56 pm : link
who pounded on and influenced the table for Toney in the room.

I love this pick considering the trade down.  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
I think he's pretty boom/bust but we desperately needed an explosive weapon in pass game that isn't coming out of the backfield. He's a player and I don't think it was a reach considering who was available. I just don't think much of these edges outside of Phillips (huge medical history and went anyway) do anything for me this high.
Like we replaced  
Mr. Nickels : 4/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
Golden tate with him

Paye next pick
The key for me is  
JonC : 4/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
Jones has to show something big in 2021, otherwise NYG has two #1's a year from now to consider a replacement. Better sooner than later.
RE: am i to think Toney  
superspynyg : 4/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15243237 mphbullet36 said:
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is like Percy Harvin?


Harvin had a terrible career. Played in 16 games once in 8 years
Returner  
jeff57 : 4/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
seven kick returns, 155 yards, 22.1 average, 11 punt returns, 139 yards, 12.6 average, one touchdown) in 11 starts.
RE: Sinorice moss 2.0  
MookGiants : 4/29/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15243222 Longtimelurker said:
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Terrible value


Absolutely awful comparison. They're similar in that they're both black and play WR. That's where the comparisons end.
RE: Golladay is the deep threat  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15243251 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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But they wanted a more consistent short/intermediate guy. That’s why I think they made this pick. Toney has monster short/intermediate potential if he puts it all together and maintains the athleticism

Shepard’s role is very confusing now though


I think he’s a current starter but not a guy they see getting through a full year and with his cap number and injury history with concussions, he’s not a long term guy.
Split on it  
Biteymax22 : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
Why I don’t like it: Character concerns. Not a true polished WR. Inconsistent hands. Average size only.

What I like: Playmaker, can take it to the house anytime he touches the ball. “Multiple”, lined up in the backfield, slot, outside and even threw a few passes. Really good run after the catch guy.

There were a couple other guys I would have rather have had but I’ve seen Toney high on a few lists, just not Sy’s....
RE: Drafting a slot guy at 20  
Toth029 : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15243129 islander1 said:
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Just not a fan. Another Senior Bowl special.
Hope I'm wrong.

What do you think Waddle will be in MIA?

Toney ran a 4.39 at his Pro Day. Shepard is utilized on end rounds and pitches. Toney can perform those and break big plays.
RE: His cutting ability  
Vanzetti : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15243216 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Is more Saquon Barkley than anyone in the draft since. He’s special at cutting and exploding. But his speed isn’t even great and he doesn’t play as strong as you’d like.

Still think he could a be guy who Jones relies on for a lot of short throws. Weird pick like I said before but really interesting.


He ran a 4.37 at the combine. I don’t speed is an issue
???????????  
KWALL2 : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
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Disagree. He's more physical than that. He's much more of slot guy than a speed guy.


Samuel is a physical player. A strong runner. So is Toney. Very similar tools and versatility.

This is a really good addition to this offense. Perfect. An explosive slot guy, jet sweeps, quick screens and can run the plays that stretch the field in every way.
29 on GBN  
Harvest Blend : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
Big Board FWIW.
RE: Golladay is the deep threat  
Breeze_94 : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15243251 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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But they wanted a more consistent short/intermediate guy. That’s why I think they made this pick. Toney has monster short/intermediate potential if he puts it all together and maintains the athleticism

Shepard’s role is very confusing now though


Sheps good as gone after 2021.

As for Toney, he does complement Golladay and Slayton very well.
Completely shocked  
giantstock : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
I don't know good or bad- but just shocked. Will just have to wait and see.
RE: red flags for toney  
JB_in_DC : 4/29/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15243162 GiantsFan84 said:
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so people can't say it wasn't known like in the case of deandre baker Link - ( New Window )


Not good at all! Very surprising pick...
physically he is a top 10 talent  
bc4life : 4/29/2021 10:59 pm : link
hands thing can be fixed.

If any coach can get this kid on track and keep him there - Judge can
Dan Brugler of the Athletic  
TrueBlue56 : 4/29/2021 10:59 pm : link
had Toney as his 4th rated wide receiver. I have no doubt the giants did their homework on these wide receivers and they believe Toney is the best wide receiver available at 20.
Seems  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/29/2021 10:59 pm : link
like a risk reward pick. Speed and a receiver. The Giants obviously felt the WR was light with good reason. No nothing about him but welcome young man.

Giants see talent here. Like always lets see how it plays out.-
I like the pick  
montanagiant : 4/29/2021 10:59 pm : link
You could even play him at RB. Shifty guy with excellent YAC resume
No excuses for Jones  
Sammo85 : 4/29/2021 10:59 pm : link
Weapons all over field and Barkley coming back.
RE: The key for me is  
MookGiants : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15243261 JonC said:
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Jones has to show something big in 2021, otherwise NYG has two #1's a year from now to consider a replacement. Better sooner than later.


100%. I said basically the same above. This year the jones question must be answered. Now they have enough weapons for him and he's been around long enough where they will know, and he's not in a new system again
RE: The key for me is  
Dang Man : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15243261 JonC said:
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Jones has to show something big in 2021, otherwise NYG has two #1's a year from now to consider a replacement. Better sooner than later.

To me that’s purely what this pick was about. They’re going to surround Jones with as many potential playmakers as possible in hopes they can avoid another disappointing year from DJ and having to search for another franchise QB.
This guy gets wide open in the short area  
KWALL2 : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
Plant and explode. Thats what he does. Adds a dimension we did not have on this team.

Factor in the #1 next year (and I'll bet it being very high), we had a great day 1.
War room  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
anyone else observe the disarray when they were on the clock? The whole staff looked indecisive and confused.
RE: Giants are really emphasizing speed  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15243242 Vanzetti said:
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Ross 4.22
Toney 4.37
Adoree 4.42


I think there's a decent chance Ross doesn't even make the team. He's a lottery ticket at best.
Dane Brugler  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
BACKGROUND: Kadarius Toney grew up in Eight Mile, Ala., which is located eight miles northwest of Mobile, and started playing youth football at 6-years old as a
quarterback at Trinity Gardens Park. He was a multi-sport athlete at Mattie T. Blount High School and led the team to a 20-5 record as the starting quarterback his
final two seasons. As a junior, Toney passed for 3,604 yards, rushed for 896 yards and totaled 53 touchdowns (37 passing, 16 rushing), earning Second Team Class 6A
all-state honors. He was named the 2016 Class 6A Back of the Year as a senior with 2,894 yards passing, 894 yards rushing and 47 total touchdowns (32 passing, 15
rushing). Toney finished his prep career with 120 total touchdowns. He also ran track in high school, setting personal bests in the 100 meters (11.50), javelin (148’)
and long jump (21’5).
A three-star recruit out of high school, Toney was the No. 25 athlete in the 2017 class and the No. 20 player in the state of Alabama. After his junior season, South
Alabama was his first offer, which set off an avalanche of offers including SEC programs like Florida, Ole Miss and South Carolina. With the opportunity to play
quarterback, Toney committed to the Gators prior to his senior year, holding firm to his choice despite a late push from Alabama. He saw snaps at quarterback when
he arrived in Gainesville, but was listed as an “athlete” on the roster all four seasons and transitioned full-time to wide receiver. Toney opted out of the bowl game
and accepted his invitation to the 2021 Senior Bowl, earning the top wide receiver award on the American team

STRENGTHS: His start/stop athleticism and rubber joints leave talented athletes awkward in pursuit…tremendous ankle flexion to explode out of his cuts…slips out of
tackle attempts due to his muscle twitch and body balance…owns the above average acceleration that defenders must account for with their angles…uses sudden
feet to manipulate coverage mid-route, creating separation…catches the ball well in stride…runs tougher than expected for his size, lowering his pads and using his
momentum to keep his feet through arm tackles…lined up everywhere on offense and has a “great football IQ,” according to former offensive coordinator Brian
Johnson…became the featured punt returner in 2020, averaging 12.6 yards per return and scoring once (11/139/1)…also returned kicks (21/324/0)…has the strongest
arm on the team, according to the Florida coaches, finishing 3-for-6 passing for 82 yards and one touchdown throw.

WEAKNESSES: Average frame with lean muscle build…electric foot quickness, but inconsistent steps vs. press and in/out of his breaks, often tipping defenders to his
route path…needs to improve his route tempo and better read coverage alignment to know where to sit down…not a proven pass-catcher on contested targets…most
of his drops were a result of running before securing the catch…underwhelming production over his first three seasons, partially because it took time to develop trust
with the coaches…some NFL scouts have voiced concern that he is more passionate about rapping than football (his stage name is Yung Joka)…off-field decisionmaking requires vetting due to multiple off-field incidents: suspended for the 2018 season opener after his involvement in an on-campus confrontation between
players and Gainesville locals where he painted an air-soft gun to look like an AR-15 assault rifle (May 2018); Pulled over by Gainesville Police, which revealed an
authentic and loaded AR-15 rifle in his back seat (July 2018) that Toney had “for protection because of the locals” (no charges filed)…missed chunks of playing time
due to injuries, sitting out multiple games as a freshman due to shoulder and shin issues (October 2017); missed half of his junior season with a left shoulder injury
(September 2019).

SUMMARY: A one-year starter at Florida, Toney lined up across the formation in head coach Dan Mullen’s offense, seeing snaps in the backfield, slot and outside. A
former high school quarterback, he was listed as an “athlete” on the Gators’ roster and battled injuries and transition issues his first three seasons before leading
Florida in receptions and receiving yards as a senior. A loose, elastic athlete, Toney routinely makes the first man miss with special start/stop twitch, frustrating
would-be tacklers and creating explosive plays. Though he is an improved route-runner, he remains a work in progress with his steps and tempo, and his freelancing
will backfire at times. Overall, Toney is still more of a gadget player than polished receiver (and his off-field and durability will be debated in war rooms), but he
boasts the one-step burst, body balance and underrated toughness to be a big-play ignitor. He projects as a versatile NFL weapon on offense and special teams.
GRADE: 1st-2nd Round (No. 28 overall)


Sy' on Paye to Indy  
ColHowPepper : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
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#21 IND: Kwity Paye - EDGE/Michigan

Unreal upside in a scheme that knows how to maximize versatile linemen. Powerful hands and base with underrated athletic ability. Elite run defender and could pair with Buckner to supply top tier interior pass rush.
I wanted a shifty yac guy  
BSIMatt : 4/29/2021 11:00 pm : link
Giants WRs were LAST in the nfl in yac as a group. They were the worst of the worst, and it wasn’t more apparent until Barkley went down. Teams want to blitz the shit out of Jones, a guy like this absolutely helps. Extremely happy, preferred Waddle over Smith, wanted Moore(bc I thought he was cleaner w/ character concerns on Toney and Giants might not consider Toney). His primary character concern is he likes to rap, which is really kinda ridiculous. Great pick.
My reaction was about the same as the Eli Apple  
St. Jimmy : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
pick, but I trust Judge and his SEC connections.
Toney ranked 5th in Bob McGinn's WR rankings  
Rick in Dallas : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
This kid had some issues with guns back in 2018 and some scouts questioned his passion for football as he is a rappeer.
Judge better have done his homework on this kid.
RE: physically he is a top 10 talent  
montanagiant : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15243284 bc4life said:
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hands thing can be fixed.

If any coach can get this kid on track and keep him there - Judge can

He only had issues with catching at the Senior Bowl when he played with 4 QB's he never played with before. I know that all the other WR's did the same but it was not an issue during real gameday with him
RE: RE: Sinorice moss 2.0  
bigbluehoya : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15243266 MookGiants said:
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In comment 15243222 Longtimelurker said:


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Terrible value



Absolutely awful comparison. They're similar in that they're both black and play WR. That's where the comparisons end.


Both also went to college in Florida and with my wife as my witness neither has been in my kitchen.
Some impressive YAC this dude has, though  
Leg of Theismann : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
highlights below
Toney Highlights - ( New Window )
RE: Golladay is the deep threat  
adamg : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15243251 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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But they wanted a more consistent short/intermediate guy. That’s why I think they made this pick. Toney has monster short/intermediate potential if he puts it all together and maintains the athleticism

Shepard’s role is very confusing now though


Shep played outside with the Tate signing. His role doesn't change from last two years.
I had him off my board  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
completely because I don't have a board or know any of the players.

but if the Bears are awful and like league worst awful and the Giants are too (and they play each other by the way), and the Giants have #1 and #2 in the 2022 draft how long has it been since that's happened? Colts? 1992? or did someone else do it since?
RE: Not gonna lie  
81_Great_Dane : 4/29/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15243121 GoDeep13 said:
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Very left field.
Not really — we just weren't thinking about who might be the pick at 20. He would definitely have been on the radar if we'd been thinking that way. He's been ranked late-first pretty much all along.

And as I keep saying: Every team's board is going to be different. if he fits what the Giants need/want, that works for me.
RE: Yup sinorice moss 2.0  
Dave in PA : 4/29/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15243226 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Exactly
sinorice moss was straight line fast and that’s ALL he had going for him. Toney has crazy cutting and acceleration ability. I don’t know if this is a good pick or a massive reach, but I gaurantee he’s much better than Sinorice Moss
RE: Yup sinorice moss 2.0  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/29/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15243226 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Exactly


I don’t care for the pick, but this is quite possibly the dumbest post of the night.
Sorry if this has been linked  
5BowlsSoon : 4/29/2021 11:02 pm : link
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Interesting read - ( New Window )
RE: Some impressive YAC this dude has, though  
broadbandz : 4/29/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15243309 Leg of Theismann said:
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highlights below Toney Highlights - ( New Window )


I like this kid. AMazing hl reel.
I try to be measured about these things, because I am not an expert  
BigBlueBuff : 4/29/2021 11:03 pm : link
but holy hell, this feels like such a let down.
Physically  
Biteymax22 : 4/29/2021 11:03 pm : link
I reiterate physically, not his play, he reminds me a lot of OBJ
And Kwity Paye  
prdave73 : 4/29/2021 11:03 pm : link
Is selected after.. We will see how this turns out for the Giants.. What was the key for the Bucs SB victory last year? Oh yea Defense!
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