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NYG 2021 1st-Round Pick: WR Kadarius Toney

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2021 10:45 pm
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Toney  
Mike in NY : 4/29/2021 11:11 pm : link
Against best opponents he had best games
RE: Time will tell but this feels  
Toth029 : 4/29/2021 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15243385 Gregorio said:
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like a forced reach. Every draft analyst I read, had him as a 2nd to 3rd round talent.

Heavy talk of him going to GB in R1.
RE: You guys wanted another Plaxico ...  
broadbandz : 4/29/2021 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15243392 Spider56 said:
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Looks like we got him.

I’m very disappointed right now ... last thing I want to see on my beloved team is a rapper thug. Sounds like he’s the exact opposite of Devonta Smith. Time will tell.


He's never been convicted of anything. And he's from the hood so owning a gun is very very good idea.
RE: You guys wanted another Plaxico ...  
Angel Eyes : 4/29/2021 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15243392 Spider56 said:
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Looks like we got him.

I’m very disappointed right now ... last thing I want to see on my beloved team is a rapper thug. Sounds like he’s the exact opposite of Devonta Smith. Time will tell.

Plaxico was much bigger than Toney and outmuscled defensive backs; Toney’s more the speedy slot guy.
RE: 3rd rounder according to Sy  
ArcadeSlumlord : 4/29/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15243391 widmerseyebrow said:
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Lovely.


No offense but has Sy built any superbowl winners?
RE: They said he had some drops at the senior bowl.  
jpkmets : 4/29/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15243353 LG in NYC said:
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They said he had some drops at the senior bowl.But did he have a lot drops during his Florida career?


3 for 150 is what I read. Not exactly questionable.
I don't know what all the doubters are talking about, I didn't see a  
Jim in Hoboken : 4/29/2021 11:12 pm : link
single dropped pass in any of his highlights.

Seriously though, when looking at the clips of all the top WR's in this year class, his stood out. The term Human Joystick applies to him, though doesn't seem like he plays up to the 4.37 time.

Moore is 5'8, Toney is at least 5'11 or 6'. Well, I guess Jones doesn't have an excuse this year...
I’m as shocked as anyone  
Jay on the Island : 4/29/2021 11:12 pm : link
But this offense is going to be dynamic with Golladay, Toney, Slayton, Engram, Rudolph, Shepard, Barkley, and Ross.

Watch highlights of Toney and you will feel much better about the pick.
Why does the fact he can Rap  
montanagiant : 4/29/2021 11:12 pm : link
Have one iota to do with him playing football?

"DOWN IN FRONT"
RE: RE: RE: I like the pick  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15243356 montanagiant said:
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You could even play him at RB. Shifty guy with excellent YAC resume



Florida used him on a lot on jet sweeps and creative plays running the ball from motion...


I like the pick Googs given the trade down


Yeah, not against grabbing a weapon even with the drop down. Feels like he could have gone Rd 2 but he’s some game.

I watch only SEC games and he made a crap load of big plays.

Not popular pick here. Hopefully he outperforms Bateman and Moore otherwise won’t look good for front office yet again...
RE: 3rd rounder according to Sy  
bw in dc : 4/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15243391 widmerseyebrow said:
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Lovely.


Sy conclusion:


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*There are some teams that have Toney in the top 5 according to one of the very few media resources I trust and speak with. That really surprises me. I won’t give details here but there are a few serious red flags with character, and I just don’t see Toney having a high ceiling. He is as tough as they come, and I love his stop-go quickness. He will make plays with the ball in his hands. But there is a cap to his speed, he doesn’t play very big, and there are a lot of shortcomings I see when it comes to routes/ball skills/awareness etc. Really intrigued to see where he goes.


Not the most ringing endorsement...
I have no idea about this guy.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
Hope he's a good player, obviously. All the air was sucked out of the room for me after the Eagles fucked us out of Smith and fucked us for the millionth time in the past decade. I know, sack up, blah, blah, blah. Better win some games this year.
He's a slot receiver  
adamg : 4/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
He doesn't have elite speed. But he plays physical and breaks tackles. I bet he'll be a great blocker. Think Jarvis Landry in terms of what he offers but Beckham in terms of style.
Daniel Jeremiah on Toney  
jeff57 : 4/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
Toney is a versatile, explosive playmaker. He lines up in the slot and does a lot of damage on fly sweeps and seam routes. His combination of play strength, burst and wiggle makes him difficult to get on the ground once the ball is in his hands. He doesn't run a wide variety of routes, but he has the skill set to develop in that area. He's dangerous in the return game because of his athleticism and lack of fear. Overall, Toney isn't quite as big as Deebo Samuel, but I envision him playing the same role at the next level.
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Klaatu : 4/29/2021 11:13 pm : link
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Pick Analysis

Round 1 • Pick 20 (20)

The speedy pass catcher is a roadrunner on the perimeter with exceptional stop-start quickness and burst. Toney is one of the few playmakers in the draft with the capacity to score from anywhere on the field on deep balls or catch-and-run plays.
Love  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
Love trade down

Dont love pick

Hope we trade shep now
RE: Why does the fact he can Rap  
broadbandz : 4/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15243409 montanagiant said:
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Have one iota to do with him playing football?

"DOWN IN FRONT"


I just bought his rap album. BBI needs to get on board we da joka!
RE: RE: 3rd rounder according to Sy  
widmerseyebrow : 4/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15243403 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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Lovely.



No offense but has Sy built any superbowl winners?


None taken. He's drafted better than the Giants for some time now.
RE: I'm  
jpkmets : 4/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15243384 Shady Lurker said:
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so pumped. I know Judge is going to get creative and use Toney all over the field to create mis-matches. I think this is going to be an awesome pick for us


Totally agree. Add Saquon back and there are going to be some matchup nightmares. Very excited!
they probably see him as a weapon  
mphbullet36 : 4/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
just move him all over.

I see them sending him in jet sweep motions with teams worried about Barkley or Jones in RPO's now they have to worry about jet sweeps and screens...

he is a human joystick.
RE: RE: I get going with that explosive slot guy  
AcesUp : 4/29/2021 11:14 pm : link
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Figured Moore was the safer play. No character problems, he was THE guy there. At like 18 he was getting snaps with DK and Brown at Ole Miss. At 19 he was putting up numbers in the SEC. Didn't have the character problems. In a 1v1 situation choosing between the two he made a lot more sense. I've seen plenty of Toney too, so I get what they're bringing in with the player. The Giants are good at scouting WRs and the pick itself is lifted by a bunch of picks including one that will probably be higher than 20 next year, just not sure about the decision here with a high floor Edge in Paye and what I consider a better WR on the board.



Moore is 5'9 - I dont get why people keep bringing him up. Toney will be a good NFL wr.


That's probably why they went that way, I guess you can project Toney to Z better than Moore but I think with Slayton in the fold you can grab that pure slot stud in Moore.
RE: He's a slot receiver  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15243417 adamg said:
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He doesn't have elite speed. But he plays physical and breaks tackles. I bet he'll be a great blocker. Think Jarvis Landry in terms of what he offers but Beckham in terms of style.


Didnt he run a 4.37

Id say his speed and quickness are best part of game
Definitely don't like reaching for a receiver in what is considered  
widmerseyebrow : 4/29/2021 11:15 pm : link
A very deep receiver draft.
Sounds like he is a good return man too  
US1 Giants : 4/29/2021 11:15 pm : link
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RE: I would have to think we could have drafted a similar  
Del Shofner : 4/29/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15243354 Rjanyg said:
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WR in round 2. The value there was Paye if he was really a fit.

Oh well. Shitty draft although I like the 1st rounder and extra picks. Let’s see what we do the rest of the weekend.


This. We took a 2nd rounder in the first. WTF.
He led florida  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/29/2021 11:15 pm : link
In receptions and yards last year. Playing on the same field with Pitts. So somebody must have liked to put the ball in his hands.
RE: RE: I would have to think we could have drafted a similar  
BleedBlue : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15243430 Del Shofner said:
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WR in round 2. The value there was Paye if he was really a fit.

Oh well. Shitty draft although I like the 1st rounder and extra picks. Let’s see what we do the rest of the weekend.



This. We took a 2nd rounder in the first. WTF.


He wouldnt have been there at 42
So is this guy a lot of an outside?  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
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RE: RE: I don't watch enought college football to care  
DCOrange : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15243373 giantstock said:
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...but is picking the 4th rated WR instead of the 3rd rated WR worth bitching about?

Nice that Sy posts here but making him the gospel is ridiculous. He’s wrong as often as they all are.

Plus Moore is shorter than 5'10". Tough to draft that short a WR in the first round.



SY didn't have him near 4th.
RE: RE: physically he is a top 10 talent  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15243371 Mike from Ohio said:
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hands thing can be fixed.

If any coach can get this kid on track and keep him there - Judge can



If hands can be fixed, what is going in with Engram? Have the Giants not realized that needs work?


Slayton was a late pick because he was a drop machine even though he had track speed. Toney was at worst going top second round.
RE: RE: He's a slot receiver  
adamg : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15243427 BleedBlue said:
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He doesn't have elite speed. But he plays physical and breaks tackles. I bet he'll be a great blocker. Think Jarvis Landry in terms of what he offers but Beckham in terms of style.



Didnt he run a 4.37

Id say his speed and quickness are best part of game


Watch his games. He gets caught from behind sometimes. His short area burst is elite. His long speed not so much.
Hard to believe after DeAndre Baker  
ghost718 : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
this is who the Giants pick

I'd like to say you can trace risky behavior back to Judge,but there's more than one in there.
RE: RE: Fire Gettleman  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15243346 Mike in NY said:
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A slot receiver with questionable hands at 20?



He doesn’t have questionable hands. Was very surehanded at Florida.


I think he dropped 3 (?) passes last year
And the Garrett factor too  
AcesUp : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
Just strikes me as a weird fit. I'm optimistic that we're updating the offense and don't think we'll have Garrett at OC long but just seems like a weird fit.
RE: Toney plus an extra first and some other picks  
Optimus-NY : 4/29/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15243156 BH28 said:
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Is a nice consolation for getting screwed by the eagles.

Sometimes the best picks you make are the ones you don't get to make, let's hope that happens here regarding smith and toney


Here, here!
Now use the Bears' 2021 pick  
ColHowPepper : 4/29/2021 11:17 pm : link
and another this year to trade up from 42 and get OL
RE: So is this guy a lot of an outside?  
adamg : 4/29/2021 11:17 pm : link
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He's a pure slot imo. Shep and Slayton will play the other outside spot.
RE: RE: 3rd rounder according to Sy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/29/2021 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15243412 bw in dc said:
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Lovely.



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*There are some teams that have Toney in the top 5 according to one of the very few media resources I trust and speak with. That really surprises me. I won’t give details here but there are a few serious red flags with character, and I just don’t see Toney having a high ceiling. He is as tough as they come, and I love his stop-go quickness. He will make plays with the ball in his hands. But there is a cap to his speed, he doesn’t play very big, and there are a lot of shortcomings I see when it comes to routes/ball skills/awareness etc. Really intrigued to see where he goes.



Not the most ringing endorsement...


Sy was very down on him. I believe I questioned it on that WR thread.

Toney isn’t a “typical” WR. He has a really weird and unique skillset. He could either be a freakish Welker/Landry hybrid or a complete nothing. It’s a risky draft pick for sure.

The fact they took him over Paye makes me think the truly love him as a prospect.
RE: RE: He's a slot receiver  
jpkmets : 4/29/2021 11:17 pm : link
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He doesn't have elite speed. But he plays physical and breaks tackles. I bet he'll be a great blocker. Think Jarvis Landry in terms of what he offers but Beckham in terms of style.



Didnt he run a 4.37

Id say his speed and quickness are best part of game


Been watching highlights. Dude’s change of direction ability is uncanny. In an nfl that eschews form tackling for armless hits, he’s going to rack up YAC.

Jet sweeps make him a nice piece for Garrett.
RE: Judge did not look happy  
section125 : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15243377 Arkbach said:
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That room was not together. Bad omen.


Judge never looks happy.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like the pick  
montanagiant : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15243411 Jimmy Googs said:
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You could even play him at RB. Shifty guy with excellent YAC resume



Florida used him on a lot on jet sweeps and creative plays running the ball from motion...


I like the pick Googs given the trade down



Yeah, not against grabbing a weapon even with the drop down. Feels like he could have gone Rd 2 but he’s some game.

I watch only SEC games and he made a crap load of big plays.

Not popular pick here. Hopefully he outperforms Bateman and Moore otherwise won’t look good for front office yet again...

Being in the Midwest my son was a huge Bateman fan. The problem is I saw Bateman disappear at times. I like the fact we have Shepard's replacement and while Shep did a decent job for us he was never the YAC threat we needed at slot.
Quote from the article linked above  
Sprintfish : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
From his HS coach, but reads like a Judge guy.

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“The thing I love about him is he is a competitor,” he said. “The NFL is a business, but usually the guys who love football and have that competitive juice running through their veins are the guys that make it. He loves football and loves to compete.
RE: Now use the Bears' 2021 pick  
adamg : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
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and another this year to trade up from 42 and get OL


Or edge.
This team needs an edge rusher, Tomey  
MartyNJ1969 : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
Was a panic pick.
Sounds like Sy dinged him heavily for his  
UConn4523 : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
off field issues which is fair. Gotta just hope we did the homework and reap the benefits of what he does do well.
I'd just love to know...  
bw in dc : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
how Parsons, the best defensive player in this draft, was disqualified, yet and Toney wasn't...
Time to calm down...  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
Let's wait to see what DG and JJ have to say about the pick, and let's see what they do tomorrow. Toney is clearly a real talent. We need to be supportive of him because he is now a New York Giant.
He could be a reach but I like the pick  
Vanzetti : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
Toney is explosive and I think hr will have good synergy with Saquon

Let's see how Smith pans out  
bc4life : 4/29/2021 11:18 pm : link
He has unreal talent but will be one of the smallest wrs in the league.

This may work out better for us.
And he was a QB coming in to Florida  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/29/2021 11:19 pm : link
So he is probably still learning
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