By going forward with a trade with Philly, it is clear that Dallas would rather have Philly with Smith than the Giants. I look that as a shift in the way we have been viewed by our rivals in the past several years.
And at the end of the day, for only getting an extra 3rd rounder, Dallas has to contend with Smith and Toney as 1st rounders while missing out on a top CB.
It's clearly too early to tell, but at face value, that trade looks like it backfired on them as well as leading to a very good deal we pivoted to with the Bears.
By the way, I heard today that carolina was trying to trade with the Bears, but Chicago pulled out of the talks because they felt confident they could get fields in a deal with a different team (which turned out to be us)
I agree with this take; I think the OP is overthinking it.
Would Dallas rather have a 3rd rd pick with Smith in the division? Or Smith in the division without a 3rd rd. pick?
My sentiments exactly.
The Giants were irrelevant in that decision.
Now, are they a little pissed the Bears didn’t call them? Probably.
This also puts the Eagles in a bad position because they weren’t able to get their second corner either and they lost Jalen Mills in free agency. Instead of Philly drafting some guards, to replenish the OL they have to hope a starting caliber CB falls to them. Big ramifications
Thrilling!
That's irrelevant. I'm guessing they preferred those 2, but they were gone. I'm sure if they didn't take the Philly deal, they were still taking Parsons at 10.
I'm still smiling on that one
Not only do I completely agree with this, but I also think that the fact that Billy is in pretty much full rebuild mode and that's it would be pretty much Irrelevant for the next two years played into the decision making
This also puts the Eagles in a bad position because they weren’t able to get their second corner either and they lost Jalen Mills in free agency. Instead of Philly drafting some guards, to replenish the OL they have to hope a starting caliber CB falls to them. Big ramifications
Their secondary was awful last year. They were likely picking multiple of DBs anyway.
But suggesting Cowboys got hurt by a trade that brought them the best defensive player in the draft, whom they would have taken with the tenth pick anyway, and additionally getting a third round pick taken away from an arch rival, is a stretch too far.
If Parsons turns out to be a perennial pro bowler terrorizing the Giants and leading the Cowboys to a super bowl, posterity will not be kind to either the Eagles or the Giants.
There is some overthinking but Philly could just have easily been trading up to get a QB of the future and not Smith and then Dallas would have had to face both. Even if Dallas was told by Philly it was for Smith that means Dallas would rather face Smith on Philly than the Giants because a 3 means nothing if you are making your schedule more difficult for at least next 5-6 years.
The weird thing is that the Eagles are atrocious at LB. Why wouldn't they draft Parsons at 10?
And the Eagles drafted Reagor in the 1st last year. Is this an admission that drafting Reagor was a mistake?
Quote:
I was thinking along the same lines last night. Not only does Dallas not have a corner who can guard Golladay, they don’t have a legit slot corner either. Now they’re gonna make a big push to cluster draft corners and safeties because they have to find a way to defend the new receiver talent in the nfc East ( Samuel, Devonta, Golladay, Toney).
This also puts the Eagles in a bad position because they weren’t able to get their second corner either and they lost Jalen Mills in free agency. Instead of Philly drafting some guards, to replenish the OL they have to hope a starting caliber CB falls to them. Big ramifications
Their secondary was awful last year. They were likely picking multiple of DBs anyway.
I’m pretty sure Dallas was penciling in the idea of having Surtain or Horn, putting Trevon Diggs to CB2. Very few foresaw Carolina taking Horn. IMO that was the biggest domino of the night
My gut tells me this isn't true, but my heart hopes its true!
But you're right that they obviously didn't have much concern about the Eagles adding Smith. I'm not sure whether that's a reflection on the Eagles or on Smith, but it wasn't something they had much interest in guarding against, especially because I presume the Bears' offer would also have been available to them at 10, so they could have jumped out of that pick without helping a rival.
It would've worked, too, if not for the Bears. Gettleman and Abrams deserve a massive amount of credit for taking a questionable situation for us and turning it into a free first round draft pick next year.
What Dallas did was the same thing the Giants did. Basically told the other team "Yeah, we'll trade, but only if our guy is gone". That assumes we'd draft Smith of course.
But you're right that they obviously didn't have much concern about the Eagles adding Smith. I'm not sure whether that's a reflection on the Eagles or on Smith, but it wasn't something they had much interest in guarding against, especially because I presume the Bears' offer would also have been available to them at 10, so they could have jumped out of that pick without helping a rival.
Either the Bears didn't make them the same offer, or the guy Dallas really wanted was Parsons all along, and the Eagles offering them a free third round pick to get him anyway was worth it to them.
The trade we made would have potentially given them a FOURTH 1st round pick for next year. That would be tough to stomach.
Now they draft Smith.....and Let's hope Toney becomes the HOF WR out of this draft!
Plus, I don't care what others did it is what we did. We did a great job, got a weapon many people like, added pick now and picks next year!
Quote:
They clearly had an expectation that one of the two CBs would be there for them, and they bailed when the draft unfolded differently. They still got a really good defensive player, and it's obvious by now that red flags aren't a negative in their personnel evaluations.
But you're right that they obviously didn't have much concern about the Eagles adding Smith. I'm not sure whether that's a reflection on the Eagles or on Smith, but it wasn't something they had much interest in guarding against, especially because I presume the Bears' offer would also have been available to them at 10, so they could have jumped out of that pick without helping a rival.
Either the Bears didn't make them the same offer, or the guy Dallas really wanted was Parsons all along, and the Eagles offering them a free third round pick to get him anyway was worth it to them.
I think that's exactly right. Or at least Parsons was far and away the next guy on their board after the corners went.
My guess is that if chicago were already negotiating with NY and had a deal outlined, they probably didn't want to screw them over to do business with Dallas at a similar price
It would've worked, too, if not for the Bears. Gettleman and Abrams deserve a massive amount of credit for taking a questionable situation for us and turning it into a free first round draft pick next year.
What Dallas did was the same thing the Giants did. Basically told the other team "Yeah, we'll trade, but only if our guy is gone". That assumes we'd draft Smith of course.
Yeah, but they did it with a division rival. I think it’s an unwritten rule as much as Dallas will downplay it. The fact remains that they have no defensive answer for Smith on their team so it makes sense to make the weakest team in the division grab him.
It would've worked, too, if not for the Bears. Gettleman and Abrams deserve a massive amount of credit for taking a questionable situation for us and turning it into a free first round draft pick next year.
What Dallas did was the same thing the Giants did. Basically told the other team "Yeah, we'll trade, but only if our guy is gone". That assumes we'd draft Smith of course.
I think it's very likely that Smith was our guy - I don't see how there's any getting around that. NYG did a great job of pivoting after missing out on their primary target, but I don't see how anyone can deny that Smith would have been the pick if he was there, just like Dallas would have taken either of the top corners if they were there.
My guess is that if chicago were already negotiating with NY and had a deal outlined, they probably didn't want to screw them over to do business with Dallas at a similar price
I always assume there is no shame in backstabbing when it comes to things like draft trades, but I think you're probably right.
Dallas got Micha Parsons and a third rounder
For swapping their first rounder this year.
There is no way the Bears were not talking to the Cowboys as well. They had to have been able to get our deal. They could have gotten 20, a first rounder next year, a fifth rounder this year, and fourth round next year.
I can't see the differential being made up by the fact that the Cowboys would rather have the Eagles have Smith than the Giants. Not that they did not make that evaluation, but if they did that is a bad deal. Worry about making your team better. because in this NFL fortunes can change and the Eagles could swipe their three first rounders next year for a complete overhaul at QB, making DeVonta Smith a much more difficult person to deal with. After all, they are going to have to deal with Smith in the division for a decade and both teams (Eagles and Giants) will probably have ups and downs in that decade.
Dallas got Micha Parsons and a third rounder
For swapping their first rounder this year.
There is no way the Bears were not talking to the Cowboys as well. They had to have been able to get our deal. They could have gotten 20, a first rounder next year, a fifth rounder this year, and fourth round next year.
I can't see the differential being made up by the fact that the Cowboys would rather have the Eagles have Smith than the Giants. Not that they did not make that evaluation, but if they did that is a bad deal. Worry about making your team better. because in this NFL fortunes can change and the Eagles could swipe their three first rounders next year for a complete overhaul at QB, making DeVonta Smith a much more difficult person to deal with. After all, they are going to have to deal with Smith in the division for a decade and both teams (Eagles and Giants) will probably have ups and downs in that decade.
Not to mention that they could’ve gotten Newsome or Farley at 20 who have the same ceiling as Parsons with better positional value.
Unfortunately for PHI, they are much more than a slot/flanker away from being good. So they "stuck it to us" when in reality, we got Toney and 2 #1's next year in what is being billed as a loaded class.
It looks to me like both DAL & PHI panicked at the prospect of the Giants getting Smith, and made a bad situation for them, worse.
Quote:
so they just passed it on down by allowing the Eagles to take 'allegedly' our guy. I don't blame Dallas, honestly, they got a third round pick for nothing.
It would've worked, too, if not for the Bears. Gettleman and Abrams deserve a massive amount of credit for taking a questionable situation for us and turning it into a free first round draft pick next year.
What Dallas did was the same thing the Giants did. Basically told the other team "Yeah, we'll trade, but only if our guy is gone". That assumes we'd draft Smith of course.
Yeah, but they did it with a division rival. I think it’s an unwritten rule as much as Dallas will downplay it. The fact remains that they have no defensive answer for Smith on their team so it makes sense to make the weakest team in the division grab him.
There was also an unwritten rule that you don't tank a game on purpose, but that didn't stop those scumbags in Philly from doing that either, so...
so what, that doesn't mean anything. They got the guy they would have drafted and picked up a third, but they could have had a pick ten picks later and got a quality player (who has more value positionally than Parsons even if Parsons was not there which while not likely is not unthinable). Then, they could have had THREE MORE picks, including a 2022 first and a fourth and fifth. It just boggles my mind that people say, "oh well, they got the guy they wanted" and they also got the third. That makes no sense if there is pot of gold sitting next you that you ignore.