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NYG 2021 2nd-Round Pick: LB Azeez Ojulari

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 8:30 pm
And we now have:

Two #1s
Two #3s
Two #4s

And this is a guy many of us wanted at #42.
I guess (hope) his medicals  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 8:30 pm : link
checked out
Love it...  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:31 pm : link
Beautiful...
Great value pick  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/30/2021 8:31 pm : link
If the medical stuff isn’t too bad.

We got our Georgia guy, we going to get an Alabama guy soon?
Love it  
myquealer : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
and the trade down is an added bonus
I usually don't say this during or right after, but man does it feel  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
like we are killing it all things considered.
RE: Love it...  
fireitup77 : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15246704 bw in dc said:
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Beautiful...



You feeling okay?
Some wanted him at 11! Hahaha  
Amtoft : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
And 20! And 42!! This is a steal and we are actually killing this draft
Love it. A total wildcard for me because I don't know the extent of  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
his injury concerns. But he's an easy first rounder if his knee checks out. He was my third best ER behind Tryon and Ojulari.
If Dr James  
TommyWiseau : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
Andrews said he is good, thats good enough for me. Love the pick
Awesome  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
Great pick.
Carter  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
Squared.
This is methodical  
Chris684 : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
We are cleaning up this year and setting up for next year.
RE: Great value pick  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15246708 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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If the medical stuff isn’t too bad.

We got our Georgia guy, we going to get an Alabama guy soon?


His medical stuff seems way more like second contract stuff, guy can play.
Been on Ojulari...  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
for a long time and glad he was deemed fit here.

Lots of opportunity to be a real solution at Edge.
I wanted him  
Dankbeerman : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
after trade down in the 1st. Just hope he holds up
I trust Ronnie Barnes  
Biteymax22 : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
If he clears the knee. Top 20 talent here + a 3rd next year. Really, really love this pick!
Wow...  
ryanmkeane : 4/30/2021 8:32 pm : link
didn’t think he’d be there. Might be a gamble but this dude has great intangibles and can help right away off the edge. Like this pick
RE: Some wanted him at 11! Hahaha  
Giantophile : 4/30/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15246717 Amtoft said:
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And 20! And 42!! This is a steal and we are actually killing this draft


+1. Talk about value. Sy's highest rated left by a mile.
Great  
AcidTest : 4/30/2021 8:33 pm : link
pick if his knee is OK. But teams obviously had concerns because he is a first round talent. I still would have preferred Ossai. Bigger upside.
I have  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 8:33 pm : link
to disclose...this is the guy who I wanted so I'm thrilled.
. . . .  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
"Just too up and down. There are times when he looks like he has velcro on his jersey with the way blocks stick to him." -- Area scout for AFC team
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RE: Love it...  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15246704 bw in dc said:
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Beautiful...


What’s the catch? :)
Love that we got this guy  
Ben in Tampa : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
And picked up two high picks along the way
RE: Been on Ojulari...  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15246726 bw in dc said:
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for a long time and glad he was deemed fit here.

Lots of opportunity to be a real solution at Edge.


He should honestly get 6 or so sacks this year if he's a player in this league on how we operate on defense.
The Carter comparisons are going to get old  
illmatic : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
Really fast.
We traded back 8 spots  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link

picked up a 3rd and still got our guy. Great pick. Great draft so far. This is a phenomenal pick. Every UGA game I watched, dude was always in the backfield.

All 3 of my UGA fan buddies texted me telling me he should have gone in the first.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
Love it.
People comping to carter  
bLiTz 2k : 4/30/2021 8:34 pm : link
Really only look at the uniform and position of players.


Good value imo, could have been the pick at 42, and another pick next year....what many have been banging the table for this team to do for a long time.

How can you be mad about that?
love the upside of this pick  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
Myles Jack had an injury flag and it all worked out. Hope for the best here.
I feel lucky  
Modzelewski : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
that he fell to us. If he is physically well, this is a huge pick!
Ojulari was Dane Brugler's #1 rated EDGE  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
STRENGTHS: Excellent get-off burst, bend and stride length to consistently threaten the corner…understands pass rush geometry, setting up a speed track to out-race
blockers to the pocket…has the arm length of a player three inches taller…uses well-timed, physical hands and body flexibility at the top of his rush to corner and
close…his edge speed forces holding penalties…senses how blockers want to attack him and uses that against them…owns a compact frame and plays with better
power than expected…uses violence to shed blockers and attack ball carriers (five forced fumbles the last two seasons)…assignment sound vs. the run with reliable
backfield vision…looks comfortable dropping into space and playing on his feet…described as “humble” and “laid-back” by his teammates and the Bulldogs’ coaches
praise his character and attitude (only freshman captain under Kirby Smart)…led Georgia in sacks each of the last two seasons.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks an ideal body type for edge work…relies on his outside quickness and needs to introduce more variety to his rush plan, including a more effective
inside move…a little stiff in his ankles…frequently finds himself too far upfield, opening lanes for the quarterback to move the pocket…needs to better break down
when closing on the backfield…didn’t miss any games the last two seasons, but suffered a torn ACL in his right knee (November 2017) as a senior in high school, which
led to his redshirt season in 2018.


SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Georgia, Ojulari lined up as the JACK linebacker in head coach Kirby Smart’s 3-3-5 base scheme, standing up and rushing with his
hand on the ground. After a promising redshirt freshman campaign, he was one of the best pass rushers in the SEC in 2020, leading the conference in sacks, tackles
for loss and forced fumbles. Ojulari senses how blockers want to attack him and is very skilled at using his burst/bend to attack their outside shoulder, greasing the
corner and detaching from blocks with his violent hands. While he lacks elite size for the position, that shouldn’t limit his NFL ceiling if he continues to diversify his
approach and develop his counters. Overall, Ojulari is an instinctive and explosive athlete with the dip-and-rip cornering skills and scheme versatility to become an
impact NFL pass rusher. He projects as a younger version of Yannick Ngakoue
I wanted him too  
NJ_GIANTS : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
Solid guy that can only grow in the nfl. Will be a great fit for our aggressive defense.
He has the best bend out of any of the EDGE guys  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
Except for maybe Oweh
RE: RE: Love it...  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15246740 Big Blue '56 said:
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Beautiful...



What’s the catch? :)


Just a guy I've watched for a while and thought he could really fit the Graham scheme...
My ideal draft....was a trade down....get Azeez in 1st  
George from PA : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
Toney and a top IOL

Amazing
Reminds me of Miles Jack dropping to  
mfsd : 4/30/2021 8:35 pm : link
round 2 bc of injury concerns in a way. He’s only missed 7 games in 5 years, hope same proves true with Ojulari. He looks like a stud
RE: Love it...  
jomps : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15246704 bw in dc said:
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Beautiful...


Hey bw, I think you should see a doctor, are u feeling ok?

Jokes aside, really love this pick.
RE: love the upside of this pick  
TommyWiseau : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15246753 Eric on Li said:
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Myles Jack had an injury flag and it all worked out. Hope for the best here.


So did Smith of Dallas
Ecstatic  
greek13 : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
With this pick and next year haul ! Wow just wow - he is my fav guy - I sent his highlights to my friends a month ago !!!! Og in third ? If board allows!!!
RE: My ideal draft....was a trade down....get Azeez in 1st  
mfsd : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15246761 George from PA said:
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Toney and a top IOL

Amazing


Haha well done!
Azeez Ojulari should have been a 1st rounder  
Fishmanjim57 : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
This was an outstanding pick/deal by the Giants. By picking up a 3rd rounder in 2022 AND getting a great Edge just made my night!
Unbelievable draft so far  
BSIMatt : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
Still early but this looks like the strongest start to a draft I can remember. Realize the medical, but that’s what caused him to slide in first place, mitigating risk is big in round 1, which pushes guys down. Have to trust they’d have taken him completely off the board if it was too risky.
RE: . . . .  
Ben in Tampa : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15246739 jeff57 said:
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"Just too up and down. There are times when he looks like he has velcro on his jersey with the way blocks stick to him." -- Area scout for AFC team Link - ( New Window )


I bet you’re fun at parties too
And he is 20  
George from PA : 4/30/2021 8:36 pm : link
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Solid pick ae Carter is done..read why  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 8:37 pm : link
Carter has an Achilles rupture not a tear. Look at the research. Carter, who I was a fan of, is done.
They better pick an OL at 76  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 8:37 pm : link
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Didn't Even Think He'd Last...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/30/2021 8:37 pm : link
to 42 and we got him at 50!
How much does this help LWilliams  
Bill L : 4/30/2021 8:37 pm : link
If at all?
I liked the pick  
Pete in MD : 4/30/2021 8:38 pm : link
until Booger said he liked it too :-)
RE: . . . .  
BSIMatt : 4/30/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15246739 jeff57 said:
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"Just too up and down. There are times when he looks like he has velcro on his jersey with the way blocks stick to him." -- Area scout for AFC team Link - ( New Window )


Area afc scout that wants him on their team haha, nice try afc area scout, nice try.
RE: Didn't Even Think He'd Last...  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15246782 Jim in Tampa said:
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to 42 and we got him at 50!


There is concern Re his knee being degenerative. Says something Re the Carter Achilles rupture.
What do we think...  
BlueManCrew : 4/30/2021 8:40 pm : link
Maybe a little Trent Cole in his game??
Decent pick  
ghost718 : 4/30/2021 8:40 pm : link
No way I would take him over Paye
They loved him at Georgia pro day. Go Dawgs!  
Jimmy Googs : 4/30/2021 8:40 pm : link
And also have Ben Cleveland who they gave a long look at...
RE: RE: Love it...  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15246766 jomps said:
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Beautiful...



Hey bw, I think you should see a doctor, are u feeling ok?

Jokes aside, really love this pick.


Feel really positive about this...just hope the medical is clean.

I can't wait to see this defense now.
Including the trade?  
UberAlias : 4/30/2021 8:41 pm : link
Slam dunk!
RE: Decent pick  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15246796 ghost718 said:
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No way I would take him over Paye


Remember, the Giants passed on Paye TWICE.
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broadbandz : 4/30/2021 8:41 pm : link
DG putting a beat down on the haters today, holy shit
Just  
darren in pdx : 4/30/2021 8:41 pm : link
re-checked Sy's grade on him. He rated him as an 84. Pretty crazy, did most teams not agree with his assessment or did the injury history scare them off? Hope he turns into a good one, been awhile since we got to cheer for a legit pass rusher on this team.
Lorenzo Carter had 14 sacks + 21.5 TFL in 48 games  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/30/2021 8:41 pm : link
Azeez Ojulari had 15 sacks + 18.5 TFL in 23 games

Ojulari is far more proven as a pass rusher coming out of Georgia.
Welcome to my beloved Giants!  
Frank from CA : 4/30/2021 8:42 pm : link
Me happy.
RE: RE: Love it...  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/30/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15246740 Big Blue '56 said:
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Beautiful...



What’s the catch? :)


LOL!
Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
clatterbuck : 4/30/2021 8:42 pm : link
This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
RE: Just  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15246806 darren in pdx said:
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re-checked Sy's grade on him. He rated him as an 84. Pretty crazy, did most teams not agree with his assessment or did the injury history scare them off? Hope he turns into a good one, been awhile since we got to cheer for a legit pass rusher on this team.


He has a degenerative knee
RE: Decent pick  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15246796 ghost718 said:
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No way I would take him over Paye



Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.
RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15246815 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.


My belief as well
RE: Decent pick  
cokeduplt : 4/30/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15246796 ghost718 said:
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No way I would take him over Paye


I liked him over Paye. Paye is a 4-3 DE
RE: RE: Decent pick  
ghost718 : 4/30/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15246804 Big Blue '56 said:
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Remember, the Giants passed on Paye TWICE.


Yeah but who knows what they're thinking was.
this is good  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 8:43 pm : link
the weakest level of Giant's defense
He was ranked 20th overall by "The Draft Network"  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 8:44 pm : link
They had him one spot ahead of Jaycee Horn in their player rankings. Wow.

Today they expected him to be the 2nd player off the board of all the guys left to start the day.

This is awesome. Let's hope his knee is okay because if so then this guy is a steal. I don't understand's y'all comparing him to Carter at all. It looks like he plays NOTHING like him. Just because of the Georgia thing? Come on. How about we focus on the Osi comparisons that have come from more reputable sources?
RE: RE: Decent pick  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15246804 Big Blue '56 said:
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No way I would take him over Paye



Remember, the Giants passed on Paye TWICE.


Paye and his 4 sacks. LOL
RE: RE: Just  
j_rud : 4/30/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15246816 NJBlueTuna said:
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re-checked Sy's grade on him. He rated him as an 84. Pretty crazy, did most teams not agree with his assessment or did the injury history scare them off? Hope he turns into a good one, been awhile since we got to cheer for a legit pass rusher on this team.



He has a degenerative knee


Technically speaking everyones knees are degenerative. Time is undefeated.
Big Blue '56  
Arkbach : 4/30/2021 8:44 pm : link
Me Too
RE: RE: Decent pick  
ghost718 : 4/30/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15246817 Anakim said:
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No way I would take him over Paye




Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.


Well that's your opinion.He looks like kinda small out there.Athletically I don't think it's close
RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15246822 ghost718 said:
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Remember, the Giants passed on Paye TWICE.



Yeah but who knows what they're thinking was.


Certainly agree with that. Just sayin’
RE: Lorenzo Carter had 14 sacks + 21.5 TFL in 48 games  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15246807 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Azeez Ojulari had 15 sacks + 18.5 TFL in 23 games

Ojulari is far more proven as a pass rusher coming out of Georgia.


Lol. Carter was a far superior physical freak. Then he got a ruptured Achilles. Ojukari was doing ok and there are medical flags he has a degenerative knee. That’s why he fell this far.
This is amazing  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2021 8:45 pm : link
The Giants traded down acquiring a 3rd round pick next year and still land the guy I wanted.
I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
Sean : 4/30/2021 8:45 pm : link
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RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
BSIMatt : 4/30/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15246818 Big Blue '56 said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.



My belief as well


No doubt. Giants are trending up, this is fun.
RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15246815 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.


Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
I'm  
AcidTest : 4/30/2021 8:46 pm : link
sure the Giants checked out his knee. It probably did scare off other teams, but Sy said it isn't anything to be concerned about. Somebody also said that a reporter for The Athletic said the same thing.
RE: RE: RE: Just  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15246829 j_rud said:
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re-checked Sy's grade on him. He rated him as an 84. Pretty crazy, did most teams not agree with his assessment or did the injury history scare them off? Hope he turns into a good one, been awhile since we got to cheer for a legit pass rusher on this team.



He has a degenerative knee



Technically speaking everyones knees are degenerative. Time is undefeated.


The medical teams of all NFL teams disagree until the giants took the risk/reward decision
Solid Pick at number 50  
Rick in Dallas : 4/30/2021 8:46 pm : link
Picked up an additional third round draft pick in 2022.
I trust our medical people checked out his knee to their satisfaction.
What's not to like???
Well done  
Thegratefulhead : 4/30/2021 8:47 pm : link
I like him. His speed rush is NFL legit.
RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15246831 ghost718 said:
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No way I would take him over Paye




Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.



Well that's your opinion.He looks like kinda small out there.Athletically I don't think it's close


He is on the small side compared to Paye, but I wouldn't call him small. And if you take away everything, would you rather have a guy who produced in the toughest conference in CFB or a guy who didn't in an inferior conference?
Here was the write-up from the Draft Network:  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 8:47 pm : link
"Azeez Ojulari aligns as an EDGE defender for the Bulldogs defense. He will align either in a 2-point or 3-point stance and has played on all three downs for their defense. He plays with good reactive athleticism when out on the edge and demonstrates good quickness, effort, and body control. Although he appears to lack ideal length for a traditional 3-4 OLB, he demonstrates very good pop in his hips and hands at the point of attack to set the edge. In the passing game, he gets home with good effort and motor. He needs to improve and refine his overall technique as a pass rusher, but shows flashes of the athleticism that projects him to have success at the next level.

Ideal Role: Off the ball 4-3 OLB.

Scheme Fit: Any defense with hybrid even/odd front principles will have no problems using him as a valuable chess piece. "

Here's an article on him they wrote too:
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RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
AcesUp : 4/30/2021 8:47 pm : link
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He was definitely annoyed there, could have been anything though.
AO  
Archer : 4/30/2021 8:47 pm : link
Azeez was Thomas roommate
Think that Thomas gave him a strong recommendation
RE: AO  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15246850 Archer said:
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Azeez was Thomas roommate
Think that Thomas gave him a strong recommendation


Kevin Sherrer probably gave him an even stronger recommendation...
RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
Jimmy Googs : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15246836 Sean said:
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DG, you’re relieved. Go home...
so we trade down from 76 and get a 5th rounder  
gtt350 : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
next year. that would be hilarious
David Diehl's fave ER  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
I hope that doesn't disqualify him for some here. But his film per DD was dynamic, real bend, torque, and speed. There was a thread a few days ago Olujari vs Parsons--all the complexities there for both. Hope this works!!

Downside: JonC was not a big fan, but that may have been because he had other ER faves already gone. Jon has been keen on ER ever since we passed on Josh Allen. I think many of us were shocked we didn't go that way. Not saying Olujari is his equal--not as powerful or heavy, hope he grows into a role.
RE: I'm  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15246840 AcidTest said:
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sure the Giants checked out his knee. It probably did scare off other teams, but Sy said it isn't anything to be concerned about. Somebody also said that a reporter for The Athletic said the same thing.


That’s the issue with this draft. No in person evals Re covid. Anyone figure it out yet the giants are smartly loading up picks for next year? Anyone?
YES! YES! YES!  
Geomon : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
Picked up a 3rd rounder next year and the pass rusher I wanted this year! What a great draft.
RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
Del Shofner : 4/30/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15246815 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.


heads exploding across Giants-land
RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15246836 Sean said:
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/30/2021 8:50 pm : link
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Could've been annoyed how long it took ESPN to come back from commercial to announce our pick.
Wow.  
90.Cal : 4/30/2021 8:50 pm : link
My guy. We might have a Osi type of edge rusher here. I expect some good production from him in our system.
Crowder Carter Azeez  
Earl the goat : 4/30/2021 8:50 pm : link
All Bulldog LB corps
Sorry meant to say this was an interview w/ Azeez...  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 8:50 pm : link
GREAT interview, IMO:
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RE: RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:51 pm : link
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P


Read my post about 10up...said something similar.

Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 8:51 pm : link
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#50 NYG: Azeez Ojulari - EGDE/Georgia

He would have been in the discussion at #20 if the knee wasn't an issue. Something to keep an eye on. Has the high level speed and burst off the edge, a natural pass rusher. NYG doesn't have anything like him, about time.
RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
fireitup77 : 4/30/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15246839 bw in dc said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.



Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."



So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.

It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.

Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............

Maybe I was wrong on DG.
At the start of the draft tonight on ESPN Booger (like him or not)  
Blue21 : 4/30/2021 8:52 pm : link
said he couldn't believe Azeez was still there going into the start of the second round. He considered him by far the best Edge in the draft.
Not my preference  
WillVAB : 4/30/2021 8:52 pm : link
But the right position and a lot of potential.

Both picks so far have a ton of upside and the trades were great.
RE: RE: I'm  
AcidTest : 4/30/2021 8:54 pm : link
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sure the Giants checked out his knee. It probably did scare off other teams, but Sy said it isn't anything to be concerned about. Somebody also said that a reporter for The Athletic said the same thing.



That’s the issue with this draft. No in person evals Re covid. Anyone figure it out yet the giants are smartly loading up picks for next year? Anyone?


You're right. They couldn't have examined his knee. They were going off someone else's reports.
Sy's profile: Ahead of Phillips and just behind KP  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2021 8:54 pm : link
In the mix at #11 Sy' believed, sorry if already copied:
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2. Azeez Ojulari / Georgia / 6’2-249

Grade: 84

Summary: Third year sophomore entry from Marietta, Georgia. A two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All SEC honors in 2020. The semifinalist for the Chuck Bednarik Award led the SEC in tackles for loss and sacks in 2020, a year after leading the Bulldogs in sacks and pressures. Ojulari is a mature, hardworking kid that gets the most out of his talents. He won team-awards for most improved player in 2019 as well as one for his efforts during the offseason strength and conditioning program. Ojulari was also a team captain in 2019, the first time a freshman has earned that honor in the Coach Smart era. This is a kid that has high-end talent that can be used in multiple ways for a defense, and it is paired with top notch intangibles. His game really started to blossom as the 2020 season came to a close. He finished with 5 sacks over his last 3 games. Ojulari still has more physical development to achieve, as he will need to add functional weight to play the every down edge in the NFL, but his versatility, talent, and intangibles will make him a dangerous defensive weapon and he can be one of the best when things come together.

*No inside information here. I think Ojulari is on the NYG short list for #11 overall. I’m not exactly sure what NYG is looking to add to their outside pass rush. Do they want a pure burner (what Carter was supposed to turn into, and still can), or do they want an inside-out versatile piece? If it is the former, Ojulari is a very strong possibility. I think he has the best get off in the group. That is a great place to start. I also believe who he is as a person will be exactly what NYG wants to add.
Woohoo  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/30/2021 8:55 pm : link
I like it!
RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
The Mike : 4/30/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15246815 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.


No question. Smart trade back and great pick. Will be one of the top ten picks of this entire draft.
RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
crick n NC : 4/30/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15246839 bw in dc said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.



Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."


You can see Judge laughing in the video Sean linked?
Great pick, love this pick at 50  
MartyNJ1969 : 4/30/2021 8:55 pm : link
This guy has great speed on the edge we haven’t had in awhile..almost LT esk
Was considered at  
Carl in CT : 4/30/2021 8:56 pm : link
#20
RE: Love it. A total wildcard for me because I don't know the extent of  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/30/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15246719 Anakim said:
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his injury concerns. But he's an easy first rounder if his knee checks out. He was my third best ER behind Tryon and Ojulari.

So he was actually second? He IS Ojulari.
RE: RE: Love it. A total wildcard for me because I don't know the extent of  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15246901 Gatorade Dunk said:
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his injury concerns. But he's an easy first rounder if his knee checks out. He was my third best ER behind Tryon and Ojulari.


So he was actually second? He IS Ojulari.



*I meant Jaelan Phillips. Haha, sorry
fireitup77...  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:57 pm : link
Gun to my head, yes, I think Gettleman probably has the most power.

But if there has been a power shift, and Judge has more say in the process, well then I say thank God!

.  
Banks : 4/30/2021 8:57 pm : link
Hindsight is 20/20, but right now I'm pretty damn happy with this class
Gettlemen being annoyed  
Rick in Dallas : 4/30/2021 8:57 pm : link
I don't think he liked seeing the information banner on DJ's 39 turnovers and Barkley's 14 missed games on the TV.
RE: RE: RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
mfsd : 4/30/2021 8:58 pm : link
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P



Read my post about 10up...said something similar.

Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?


Probably pissed bc he’s finally making some shrewd moves, then one of his computer guys is telling him everyone on BBI is giving Judge the credit:)
RE: . . . .  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/30/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15246739 jeff57 said:
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"Just too up and down. There are times when he looks like he has velcro on his jersey with the way blocks stick to him." -- Area scout for AFC team Link - ( New Window )

Thank God we play in the NFC.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here  
AcidTest : 4/30/2021 8:59 pm : link
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P



Read my post about 10up...said something similar.

Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?



Probably pissed bc he’s finally making some shrewd moves, then one of his computer guys is telling him everyone on BBI is giving Judge the credit:)


^This.
RE: RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15246895 crick n NC said:
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Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."



You can see Judge laughing in the video Sean linked?


No. I saw it in from the NFLN feed.
RE: Gettlemen being annoyed  
islander1 : 4/30/2021 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15246909 Rick in Dallas said:
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I don't think he liked seeing the information banner on DJ's 39 turnovers and Barkley's 14 missed games on the TV.


That's probably it.
Good Article on knee and lower leg  
CTGiants : 4/30/2021 9:00 pm : link
Diagnosed him with degenerative lower leg condition last week in Indianapolis, that's probably why he dropped out of the 1st round. Still love the pick.. Diehl rated him as the best edge rusher, certainly trust his opinion
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we should be fun to watch this season  
gtt350 : 4/30/2021 9:00 pm : link
a real flinty team. let's get an OL next
RE: we should be fun to watch this season  
mfsd : 4/30/2021 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15246925 gtt350 said:
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a real flinty team. let's get an OL next


And then 7 picks in the first four rounds next year. Feel like the org is going in the right direction for the first time in a while
Absolutely fantastic pick and I can’t believe they got an extra pick  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/30/2021 9:06 pm : link
It’s been years since I’ve like a Giants 2nd round pick.
RE: RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
clatterbuck : 4/30/2021 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15246874 fireitup77 said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.



Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."




So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.

It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.

Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............

Maybe I was wrong on DG.


Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
RE: Gettlemen being annoyed  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15246909 Rick in Dallas said:
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I don't think he liked seeing the information banner on DJ's 39 turnovers and Barkley's 14 missed games on the TV.


People seem to forget all these guys are watching this exact feed. How do those idiots at the draft think Toney felt about the Giants fans reaction to him being picked? Great welcoming huh? I think that's why in his first Giants.com video all he asked for was for the fans to please support him lol.
RE: RE: Decent pick  
averagejoe : 4/30/2021 9:10 pm : link
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No way I would take him over Paye




Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.


Amen
RE: RE: RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
fireitup77 : 4/30/2021 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15246954 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.



Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."




So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.

It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.

Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............

Maybe I was wrong on DG.



Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.



Maybe because this year there were teams that wanted to trade up? People think it's easy to just trade down. It's not, you need was team willing to move up.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Any Doubt This is Judge's Team?  
Bill L : 4/30/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15246954 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.



Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?

Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...

Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."




So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.

It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.

Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............

Maybe I was wrong on DG.



Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
. I think you’re all overlooking the fact that this was a COVID year and what DG said about that and next year’s draft.

The rules are completely different this year. I think it’s that as much or more than Joe Judge.
not my guy...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/30/2021 9:15 pm : link
...prior to the pick.

After, yup!
bit concerning  
five5 : 4/30/2021 9:16 pm : link
they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
RE: Good Article on knee and lower leg  
Chocco : 4/30/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15246923 CTGiants said:

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That's where Ojulari was red-flagged because of a degenerative lower leg condition according to Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline. Doctors were concerned the previous injury would lead to progressive, often irreversible deterioration, and loss of function in the ligaments.
RE: not my guy...  
Angel Eyes : 4/30/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15246988 Brown_Hornet said:
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...prior to the pick.

After, yup!

Same here. I wanted Basham instead, but if that’s how the Giants are gonna roll, that’s how they’re gonna roll.
RE: bit concerning  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15246991 five5 said:
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.


Sigh
RE: bit concerning  
bw in dc : 4/30/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15246991 five5 said:
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.


Steady riser the last few years and came on very strong in '20. I think it's a plus coming out of Smart's system where AO experienced a 3-4 and 4-3, but mostly a 3-4. I think Graham will be able to move him around and find some favorable match-ups.
Jordan Raanan  
sphinx : 4/30/2021 9:23 pm : link
The only reason Ojulari slipped this far was because of arthritis that exists as a result of a high school knee injury. But he was checked out by renowned orthopedist Dr. James Andrews this year and given the stamp of approval. Still, it scared off teams and he slipped from a late first-round talent into the middle of the second round. But Ojulari's versatility is a perfect fit in the Giants' multiple defense.

"Really talented," said one executive. "Checks a lot of the boxes," proclaimed a scout. "Great talent. Will keep getting better," Mel Kiper Jr. said.

And he's only 20 years old.
The Athletic said he would be a steel at 42  
US1 Giants : 4/30/2021 9:23 pm : link
Giants got him at 50 plus a 2022 3rd round!
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David B. : 4/30/2021 9:23 pm : link
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bw in dc : 8:31 pm : link : reply
Beautiful...


Hell has frozen over.
Been here since 1994 and this is maybe the first time I've ever agreed with bw.

Love that they traded back and got more picks.
Love that they got a pass rusher (their biggest need IMO)
Love that it's Ojulari. Beyond being the top EDGE on many boards, including Bruegler's, Dave Diehl loves this guy. Says he reminds him of Osi.
Love that they got him in the 2nd instead of the 1st.
Love that the Giants are LOADED for the 2022 draft.

Get another OL in round 3 and I'll be even happier.
RE: bit concerning  
Ben in Tampa : 4/30/2021 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15246991 five5 said:
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.


What the...
If this whole draft goes by  
John In CO : 4/30/2021 9:26 pm : link
with no one stepping up to the mike and, in a slight fake British accent, yelling "HELLO CLEVELAND" it will be a disappointment:).
One thing to remember re Ojulari/injury - Dalvin Tomlinson  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 9:27 pm : link
even when you hit on a pick it doesn't mean it's for sure they will get to a second contract - just as we saw with DT. If the guy is healthy right now and talented it's just a risk reward assessment, and since they were able to add another 3rd for next year the risk seems very low.

In a good year 2 draft picks get to the 2nd contracts with the team that drafts them. Not the worst thing in the world to draft a guy and get a few productive years even if it doesn't go too much further than that. Plenty of guys enter with no injury concerns but then suffer major injuries (like Carter). Just part of the game.
Ojulari's ACL injury  
David B. : 4/30/2021 9:29 pm : link
was in high school, 2.5 years ago.
The Giants...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/30/2021 9:30 pm : link
...are manipulating this draft in a masterful way.
RE: RE: bit concerning  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/30/2021 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15247025 Ben in Tampa said:
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.



What the...



I think DG and Judge  
Simms11 : 4/30/2021 9:31 pm : link
are doing very well so far this draft. Keep it going!
RE: If this whole draft goes by  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15247031 John In CO said:
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with no one stepping up to the mike and, in a slight fake British accent, yelling "HELLO CLEVELAND" it will be a disappointment:).


Didn't Mike Golic say that?
Give Judge all the credit you want.  
Thegratefulhead : 4/30/2021 9:31 pm : link
Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to. If you like the draft, DG gets credit either directly, indirectly and more likely both. He hired Judge. He is choosing to listen to him if that is happening.

It's OK, it isn't a weakness to admit it.
RE: RE: If this whole draft goes by  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 9:32 pm : link
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with no one stepping up to the mike and, in a slight fake British accent, yelling "HELLO CLEVELAND" it will be a disappointment:).



Didn't Mike Golic say that?


When he announced the Eagles pick I mean.
RE: RE: Good Article on knee and lower leg  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/30/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15246992 Chocco said:
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That's where Ojulari was red-flagged because of a degenerative lower leg condition according to Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline. Doctors were concerned the previous injury would lead to progressive, often irreversible deterioration, and loss of function in the ligaments.



No, it's entirely possible. Just a matter of risk. He is healthy now. He COULD develop a condition later.
can argue all we want, he’s the ER so many have wanted for seemingly  
plato : 4/30/2021 9:35 pm : link
several drafts. My only comment is show me the MR of the knee, let me sit down with one of our premier imaging specialists and sports medicine guys, and then we might have an,idea if this was a good pick, great pick or terrible.

Then give him three years on the field and we’ll know.
I've had two knee surgeries including an ACL reconstruction.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/30/2021 9:39 pm : link
My doctors told me that getting it fixed would give me less arthritis, but either way, I'd end up with arthritis in the knee.

Assuming he had a similar conversation, the questions are: When? And as an elite athlete, can he manage that with ice and analgesics until his career is over?

My guess is the answer was probably something like: "You'll need knee replacement in your 50s but you should be ok for at least 10 years if you follow a maintenance regimen for the knee, including specific exercises (not really a problem for an NFL player), ice and NSAIDs."
RE: Ojulari's ACL injury  
Chocco : 4/30/2021 9:39 pm : link
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was in high school, 2.5 years ago.

Plus those guys at the combine get payed to find any little thing. That is their job. They are going to point out every little detail. Teams need to figure out on their own how to use that information. I feel better with Andrews going to bat for him. Question is, Who is payed Andrews?
Great value  
Mark from Jersey : 4/30/2021 9:42 pm : link
Position of need. I am happy.
About his knee and falling in the draft  
GFAN52 : 4/30/2021 9:43 pm : link
I didn't realize that Dr. Andrews checked it out.

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"As I reported last week, Azeez Ojulari/Edge/Georgia had a bunch of significant medical red flags (knee/ankle) diagnosed during Combine medicals, which is the reason he's dropping down draft boards," Pauline said, via his personal Twitter account.

Dan Duggan of The Athletic, however, tweeted on Friday morning that Ojulari had his knee checked out by renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews and it was declared strong and structurally sound, but acknowledged that teams could have had their own medical checks done and thought differently.

"Checked in on the reports about Azeez Ojulari’s knee," Duggan said. "He tore his ACL as a high school senior and redshirted his first year at Georgia. But he didn’t miss a game in his two active seasons at UGA. Source says Dr. James Andrews examined Ojulari’s knee in January and sent a letter to teams saying it was strong and there were no problems with it. Obviously, teams did their own exams in Indy, so that could explain his slide. But some team could get a steal on Day 2."

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RE: I've had two knee surgeries including an ACL reconstruction.  
AcidTest : 4/30/2021 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15247088 81_Great_Dane said:
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My doctors told me that getting it fixed would give me less arthritis, but either way, I'd end up with arthritis in the knee.

Assuming he had a similar conversation, the questions are: When? And as an elite athlete, can he manage that with ice and analgesics until his career is over?

My guess is the answer was probably something like: "You'll need knee replacement in your 50s but you should be ok for at least 10 years if you follow a maintenance regimen for the knee, including specific exercises (not really a problem for an NFL player), ice and NSAIDs."


Great information. Thanks. Hope you're well.
RE: RE: RE: Good Article on knee and lower leg  
Chocco : 4/30/2021 9:45 pm : link
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That's where Ojulari was red-flagged because of a degenerative lower leg condition according to Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline. Doctors were concerned the previous injury would lead to progressive, often irreversible deterioration, and loss of function in the ligaments.





No, it's entirely possible. Just a matter of risk. He is healthy now. He COULD develop a condition later.

Maybe Cartilage with a degenerative arthritis, but you would find that on most people with a reconstructive surgery. It's the irreversible deterioration and loss of function in the ligaments that sounds off.
I hope the Giants paid that doctor who red flagged Azeez well.  
George from PA : 4/30/2021 9:46 pm : link
A big thank you from me.

I feel bad he will have knee issues later in life....we all do.

The kid didn't miss a game and played with reckless abandon
Andrew Thomas posted a video of Ojulari celebrating  
mfsd : 4/30/2021 9:48 pm : link
on IG, he’s with Ojulari and his family tonight, pretty cool to see
So, just got back from diner with  
section125 : 4/30/2021 9:48 pm : link
Mrs Section125...DG did it again, traded down, scarfed up another 2022 DP and got the guy 50%(or more) of BBI wanted. And Sy thought this would be the guy the Giants would go for. Kudos Sy!

Damn... JJ and DG are really working well together. They are killing it.

Please, Dear Jesus, get us a good OL at #76.
RE: RE: bit concerning  
Jerry's Kids : 4/30/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15247025 Ben in Tampa said:
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.



What the...


Ya didn’t like his highlights? Come on man!
RE: Andrew Thomas posted a video of Ojulari celebrating  
section125 : 4/30/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15247139 mfsd said:
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on IG, he’s with Ojulari and his family tonight, pretty cool to see


Thanks for the link...
RE: Good Article on knee and lower leg  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15246923 CTGiants said:
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Diagnosed him with degenerative lower leg condition last week in Indianapolis, that's probably why he dropped out of the 1st round. Still love the pick.. Diehl rated him as the best edge rusher, certainly trust his opinion Link - ( New Window )


Cedric Jones 2.0
RE: The Giants...  
short lease : 4/30/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15247050 Brown_Hornet said:
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...are manipulating this draft in a masterful way.



It almost feels like it is corrupt ... or insider trading. I don't remember them maneuvering like this ever in recent times.

Even if both players turn out to be busts (and I do not feel like that is the case for 1 second. The thought NEVER crossed my mind.). These moves seem like master strokes.

Now they have extra picks to use next year to move up again and maybe get an extra 2?
Meinerz  
Thegratefulhead : 4/30/2021 9:54 pm : link
Is still available? Not great competition but athletic with a heavy punch.
RE: can argue all we want, he’s the ER so many have wanted for seemingly  
Jerry's Kids : 4/30/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15247077 plato said:
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several drafts. My only comment is show me the MR of the knee, let me sit down with one of our premier imaging specialists and sports medicine guys, and then we might have an,idea if this was a good pick, great pick or terrible.

Then give him three years on the field and we’ll know.


Um, didn’t the Giants do that? You know the first part.
wyatt davis  
Chip : 4/30/2021 9:55 pm : link
or Smith
RE: RE: Good Article on knee and lower leg  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 9:55 pm : link
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Diagnosed him with degenerative lower leg condition last week in Indianapolis, that's probably why he dropped out of the 1st round. Still love the pick.. Diehl rated him as the best edge rusher, certainly trust his opinion Link - ( New Window )



Cedric Jones 2.0


Sorry, on context time will tell if we got him at the right place. We may only need him for 2-3 years given our window and the stockpile of picks we have next year.
RE: RE: can argue all we want, he’s the ER so many have wanted for seemingly  
NJBlueTuna : 4/30/2021 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15247193 Jerry's Kids said:
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several drafts. My only comment is show me the MR of the knee, let me sit down with one of our premier imaging specialists and sports medicine guys, and then we might have an,idea if this was a good pick, great pick or terrible.

Then give him three years on the field and we’ll know.



Um, didn’t the Giants do that? You know the first part.


Ummmm....no. That’s what makes this year different
Giants give up 5th round pick  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 9:57 pm : link
They got from the Bears.
RE: RE: bit concerning  
Dr. D : 4/30/2021 10:12 pm : link
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.



Sigh

If the Giants really wanted Strahan, they would've taken him in the first.

Disclaimer (for those lookin' to disagree): Not saying Azeez = Strahan
Line dribes in this draft....  
chopperhatch : 4/30/2021 10:19 pm : link
A receiver who cant be marked. A good to very good EDGE rusher who dropped because of a seemingly overblown knee injury (ACLs are not degenerative to my knowledge) and we get another bastard at corner.

Should read  
chopperhatch : 4/30/2021 10:20 pm : link
LINE DRIVES!
2nd favorite player in the draft  
Rjanyg : 4/30/2021 10:23 pm : link
Beyond psyched!!!
Interview with Bob Papa  
santacruzom : 4/30/2021 10:33 pm : link
I love this guy. Poor audio quality unfortunately.
First interview as a Giant - ( New Window )
RE: Meinerz  
Simms11 : 4/30/2021 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15247181 Thegratefulhead said:
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Is still available? Not great competition but athletic with a heavy punch.


Meinerz is a stud! That would be an exceptional pick in the 4th. Will he make it to our pick?
RE: Interview with Bob Papa  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 10:57 pm : link
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I love this guy. Poor audio quality unfortunately. First interview as a Giant - ( New Window )


Damn-- He said Andrew Thomas was there with him tonight? And he said it was just family there with him. I have to imagine he and Andrew Thomas were pumped that he got drafted there tonight.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2021 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15246846 Anakim said:
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Oulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.

Well that's your opinion.He looks like kinda small out there.Athletically I don't think it's close
He is on the small side compared to Paye, but I wouldn't call him small. And if you take away everything, would you rather have a guy who produced in the toughest conference in CFB or a guy who didn't in an inferior conference?
What are you guys talking about. They're not direct or fair comps for one another. Different players, body types/positions: Edge/DL (Paye)/ER (Olujari) from ILB/OLB 3/4
RE: RE: RE: Good Article on knee and lower leg  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2021 11:15 pm : link
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No, it's entirely possible. Just a matter of risk. He is healthy now. He COULD develop a condition later.
Yep. The blunt force trauma that caused the ACL tear can certainly trigger degenerative arthritis. Case by case how significant and how rapid.
Loved the Pick  
giantstock : 5/1/2021 12:04 am : link
You can sort of argue that overall this is a pretty good SY type of draft.

Ojulari he had rated 84. That's a good 1st rd type of pick.

Aaron Robinson he had rated 79. A pretty good 2nd rd pick.

And Toney is a pretty good 3rd rd pick.


Pretty good. Though OL is an issue.
You guys are brutal....  
chopperhatch : 5/1/2021 12:54 am : link
Not all ACYL injuries require maintenance. I dunno what AP did, I dunno what Thomas Davis did....but they played at a very high level after suffering not 1 but multiple knee/leg injuries.


We just got a guy at our primary need position that was rumored as a 1st rounder. You all are fixated on "what if he turns out to get hurt?"

Getting him, in a year when teams arent allowed full access to the player, after having the grade we had on himand hos production?????



I just have to say-- I cannot believe there are so many ppl here  
Leg of Theismann : 5/1/2021 12:55 am : link
comparing this guy to Carter and thinking he's "going to be another Zo Carter". Watching this guy's tape he looks absolutely NOTHING Like Carter rushing the passer. I remember watching Carter's highlights the night he was drafted and just noticing how surprised I was at how slow he was turning the corner. I had remembered watching him run a 4.45 40 in the combine so I had no idea just how sluggish he looked getting around and getting in and out of his cuts. He had great straight-line speed but ZERO agility and quickness around the edge... and straight-line speed essentially does you no good as an edge rusher tbh. Olujari looks way more like Osi. I didn't realize how spot on that comparison was. Everything-- his mannerisms, the way he runs, he reminds me a ton of Osi. Booger Macfarland (even though I think he's annoying) said Olujari is the best pass rusher in this draft. He said the 3 pieces of the pass rush you look for: the "get-off," "the move", and the "finish" ... overall no one does all 3 things better than Olujari. From what I remember Carter I even noticed had a slow get-off, no move whatsoever, and then the one thing he could do was he had good finishing closing speed, but the problem is he's never in position to to finish in the first place lol.
RE: RE: Ojulari's ACL injury  
Red Right Hand : 5/1/2021 1:12 am : link
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was in high school, 2.5 years ago.


Plus those guys at the combine get payed to find any little thing. That is their job. They are going to point out every little detail. Teams need to figure out on their own how to use that information. I feel better with Andrews going to bat for him. Question is, Who is payed Andrews?
John Mara
RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/1/2021 3:20 am : link
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No way I would take him over Paye




Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.



Well that's your opinion.He looks like kinda small out there.Athletically I don't think it's close


The eye test does lie.

He's 6'2, 249, with 34 1/2 inch arms and 10 1/2 in hands.

Let's think about that for a second.

Does blake martinez look small? Because he's listed at 6'2, 237.

Chris Snee, a dominant offensive linemen, had 31 inch arms and 9 1/4 in hands.
as long as the knee is okay its a great pick  
Victor in CT : 5/1/2021 7:54 am : link
...
When asked what people call him like Zeez  
robbieballs2003 : 5/1/2021 7:58 am : link
He responded that people call him Zeez or Vibranium. Hahahaha.
Ojulari is a lot bigger  
ryanmkeane : 5/1/2021 9:33 am : link
than I thought he was
I just got around to reading Sy’s write up  
cosmicj : 5/1/2021 9:41 am : link
Of Ojulari. Wow. This could be a home run. He was playing the best football of his career at the end of 2020 and isn’t a finished product. Very excited to see him on the field.
Many of you know this but Pettit  
cosmicj : 5/1/2021 9:45 am : link
Made the trip down for the UGa Pro Day.
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Ojulari  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/1/2021 9:48 am : link
was my favorite pass rusher in this draft. He's the one who most looks like a 3-4 outside linebacker to me.

If you told me he would last until 50, I wouldn't have believed you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
ghost718 : 5/1/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15247795 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The eye test does lie.

He's 6'2, 249, with 34 1/2 inch arms and 10 1/2 in hands.

Let's think about that for a second.

Does blake martinez look small? Because he's listed at 6'2, 237.

Chris Snee, a dominant offensive linemen, had 31 inch arms and 9 1/4 in hands.


Blake Martinez? You think this guy looks like Black Martinez?
haha  
ghost718 : 5/1/2021 9:54 am : link
check that > Blake Martinez
When was the last time the Giants  
Simms11 : 5/1/2021 9:58 am : link
drafted a LBer this high in the draft? Dline, but not LBer.
Check out the excerpts from UGa v Alabama  
cosmicj : 5/1/2021 10:05 am : link
Thus is not a highlights video so there are plays where Ojulari isn’t effective. He seems to take plays off.

Two other comments:

Mac Jones was a 1st round pick? Really? There are some nice passes in the game but he regularly misses easy ones.

Leatherwood looks great. No wonder he went in the 1st rd. Would have loved him on the Giants.
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The first two picks could have gone been swapped like this:  
Gregorio : 5/1/2021 10:09 am : link
Pick 11: EDGE Azeez Ojulari
Pick 42: WR Kadarius Toney

and it would have aligned with my perceived value, based on the pre-draft analysis I read. But, who cares? The result is the same, with the added bonus of future picks.

Ojulari is very exciting to have on-board.
vs  
Simms : 5/1/2021 10:17 am : link
With his health concerns thought we might have gone for Owusu Koramoah. I liked Owusu too who lines up in the box 51% and can handle TE's. Excited to see what Azeez can do for us. Good to see everyone pumped over him being drafted for us too.
RE: The first two picks could have gone been swapped like this:  
NYGgolfer : 5/1/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15248083 Gregorio said:
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Pick 11: EDGE Azeez Ojulari
Pick 42: WR Kadarius Toney

and it would have aligned with my perceived value, based on the pre-draft analysis I read. But, who cares? The result is the same, with the added bonus of future picks.

Ojulari is very exciting to have on-board.


Interesting point.

Probably fair to also note that not many really saw Ojulari as good value at #11 though. I think most of posts I recall on here (and other sites) had him in the back half of round one. But even that tells you how the draft is a bit of a guessing game since he dropped all the way to #50.
I’m not buying they aren’t worried about the knee...if you arent  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/1/2021 11:18 am : link
just seems like you take him without trading down as he certainly represents value there.


That being said he’s a great fit and exactly what we need. A guy that is going to bring consistent, if not explosive, pressure with high motor.
RE: Ojulari  
ColHowPepper : 5/1/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15248053 Eric from BBI said:
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was my favorite pass rusher in this draft. He's the one who most looks like a 3-4 outside linebacker to me.
If you told me he would last until 50, I wouldn't have believed you.
Agree. Clear that the knee a factor in his dropping. I wonder: you see many if not most OL wearing braces to protect the joint even if no prior injury history. Would it cost him too much speed/athleticism (which are his game) if he wore one prophylactically? To try to mitigate deterioration.
RE: I've had two knee surgeries including an ACL reconstruction.  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/1/2021 11:49 am : link
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My doctors told me that getting it fixed would give me less arthritis, but either way, I'd end up with arthritis in the knee.

Assuming he had a similar conversation, the questions are: When? And as an elite athlete, can he manage that with ice and analgesics until his career is over?

My guess is the answer was probably something like: "You'll need knee replacement in your 50s but you should be ok for at least 10 years if you follow a maintenance regimen for the knee, including specific exercises (not really a problem for an NFL player), ice and NSAIDs."

And if he needs cortisone and/or hyaluronic acid injections along the way, he'll have ready access to those.

His knee, even if he's at risk for a degenerative condition, should not be an issue for the first portion of his career. If anything, it'll be something to be concerned about for his second contract, but let's hope he plays well enough that we have to worry about that when the time comes.
GD  
ColHowPepper : 5/1/2021 12:03 pm : link
Agree. I've had ACL reconstruction for a bad football injury, and at least 8 hyaluronic injections (Gel One) in that knee. The state of art of treatment/surgeries for the joint pretty consensual and continues to advance. I'm curious why so many teams shied away and let him drop so far.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/1/2021 12:20 pm : link
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The eye test does lie.

He's 6'2, 249, with 34 1/2 inch arms and 10 1/2 in hands.

Let's think about that for a second.

Does blake martinez look small? Because he's listed at 6'2, 237.

Chris Snee, a dominant offensive linemen, had 31 inch arms and 9 1/4 in hands.



Blake Martinez? You think this guy looks like Black Martinez?


My point is if you think Ojulari "looks small" when he's bigger and longer than a guy who's quite successful and effective.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
ghost718 : 5/1/2021 1:36 pm : link
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My point is if you think Ojulari "looks small" when he's bigger and longer than a guy who's quite successful and effective.


That's easy to say with numbers,on the field,it doesn't always tell the story.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/1/2021 1:39 pm : link
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My point is if you think Ojulari "looks small" when he's bigger and longer than a guy who's quite successful and effective.



That's easy to say with numbers,on the field,it doesn't always tell the story.


Ojulari is pretty damn productive if you're talking about stats. Not sure what you mean.

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ghost718 : 5/1/2021 1:40 pm : link
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Ojulari is pretty damn productive if you're talking about stats. Not sure what you mean.


Did you not bring up his height and weight?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/1/2021 1:47 pm : link
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Ojulari is pretty damn productive if you're talking about stats. Not sure what you mean.




Did you not bring up his height and weight?


Yeah, and I'm not getting the "we looks small" part of it. His height/weight tosses that in the dumpster.. You can say he "looks small" but he isn't. And his effectiveness and the video backs it up. Even his scouting reports praise his physical makeup.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
ghost718 : 5/1/2021 1:51 pm : link
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Yeah, and I'm not getting the "we looks small" part of it. His height/weight tosses that in the dumpster.. You can say he "looks small" but he isn't. And his effectiveness and the video backs it up. Even his scouting reports praise his physical makeup.


So you look at height and weight and say that's it. I've got the answer. Or are you just hoping to win the battle of the words.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/1/2021 2:21 pm : link
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Yeah, and I'm not getting the "we looks small" part of it. His height/weight tosses that in the dumpster.. You can say he "looks small" but he isn't. And his effectiveness and the video backs it up. Even his scouting reports praise his physical makeup.



So you look at height and weight and say that's it. I've got the answer. Or are you just hoping to win the battle of the words.


No, I'm genuinely confused how size is up for debate when we have his official measurements. It's like arguing water is wet.
Baldys Breakdown of Ojulari  
D HOS : 5/1/2021 2:22 pm : link
He likes the pick. Says Giants defense "was" a top 10 unit before this pick.
Baldy on Ojulari - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Decent pick  
ghost718 : 5/1/2021 2:33 pm : link
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No, I'm genuinely confused how size is up for debate when we have his official measurements. It's like arguing water is wet.


Well that's what you get,a state of confusion

You can watch guys who people claim to be 6 foot,and you wonder if it's just for show.Knowing how the NFL can be all about size.

The quarterback for the Cardinals is a good example.
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