He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
He would have been in the discussion at #20 if the knee wasn't an issue. Something to keep an eye on. Has the high level speed and burst off the edge, a natural pass rusher. NYG doesn't have anything like him, about time.
sure the Giants checked out his knee. It probably did scare off other teams, but Sy said it isn't anything to be concerned about. Somebody also said that a reporter for The Athletic said the same thing.
That’s the issue with this draft. No in person evals Re covid. Anyone figure it out yet the giants are smartly loading up picks for next year? Anyone?
You're right. They couldn't have examined his knee. They were going off someone else's reports.
Sy's profile: Ahead of Phillips and just behind KP
In the mix at #11 Sy' believed, sorry if already copied:
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2. Azeez Ojulari / Georgia / 6’2-249
Grade: 84
Summary: Third year sophomore entry from Marietta, Georgia. A two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All SEC honors in 2020. The semifinalist for the Chuck Bednarik Award led the SEC in tackles for loss and sacks in 2020, a year after leading the Bulldogs in sacks and pressures. Ojulari is a mature, hardworking kid that gets the most out of his talents. He won team-awards for most improved player in 2019 as well as one for his efforts during the offseason strength and conditioning program. Ojulari was also a team captain in 2019, the first time a freshman has earned that honor in the Coach Smart era. This is a kid that has high-end talent that can be used in multiple ways for a defense, and it is paired with top notch intangibles. His game really started to blossom as the 2020 season came to a close. He finished with 5 sacks over his last 3 games. Ojulari still has more physical development to achieve, as he will need to add functional weight to play the every down edge in the NFL, but his versatility, talent, and intangibles will make him a dangerous defensive weapon and he can be one of the best when things come together.
*No inside information here. I think Ojulari is on the NYG short list for #11 overall. I’m not exactly sure what NYG is looking to add to their outside pass rush. Do they want a pure burner (what Carter was supposed to turn into, and still can), or do they want an inside-out versatile piece? If it is the former, Ojulari is a very strong possibility. I think he has the best get off in the group. That is a great place to start. I also believe who he is as a person will be exactly what NYG wants to add.
He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
Read my post about 10up...said something similar.
Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?
Probably pissed bc he’s finally making some shrewd moves, then one of his computer guys is telling him everyone on BBI is giving Judge the credit:)
"Just too up and down. There are times when he looks like he has velcro on his jersey with the way blocks stick to him." -- Area scout for AFC team Link - ( New Window )
Thank God we play in the NFC.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m probably reading too much into it, but DG looks annoyed here
He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
Read my post about 10up...said something similar.
Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?
Probably pissed bc he’s finally making some shrewd moves, then one of his computer guys is telling him everyone on BBI is giving Judge the credit:)
Diagnosed him with degenerative lower leg condition last week in Indianapolis, that's probably why he dropped out of the 1st round. Still love the pick.. Diehl rated him as the best edge rusher, certainly trust his opinion Link - ( New Window )
This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
I don't think he liked seeing the information banner on DJ's 39 turnovers and Barkley's 14 missed games on the TV.
People seem to forget all these guys are watching this exact feed. How do those idiots at the draft think Toney felt about the Giants fans reaction to him being picked? Great welcoming huh? I think that's why in his first Giants.com video all he asked for was for the fans to please support him lol.
Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.
This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
Maybe because this year there were teams that wanted to trade up? People think it's easy to just trade down. It's not, you need was team willing to move up.
This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
. I think you’re all overlooking the fact that this was a COVID year and what DG said about that and next year’s draft.
The rules are completely different this year. I think it’s that as much or more than Joe Judge.
they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
This doesn't make much sense granted it's probably 4th hand information
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That's where Ojulari was red-flagged because of a degenerative lower leg condition according to Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline. Doctors were concerned the previous injury would lead to progressive, often irreversible deterioration, and loss of function in the ligaments.
they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
Steady riser the last few years and came on very strong in '20. I think it's a plus coming out of Smart's system where AO experienced a 3-4 and 4-3, but mostly a 3-4. I think Graham will be able to move him around and find some favorable match-ups.
The only reason Ojulari slipped this far was because of arthritis that exists as a result of a high school knee injury. But he was checked out by renowned orthopedist Dr. James Andrews this year and given the stamp of approval. Still, it scared off teams and he slipped from a late first-round talent into the middle of the second round. But Ojulari's versatility is a perfect fit in the Giants' multiple defense.
"Really talented," said one executive. "Checks a lot of the boxes," proclaimed a scout. "Great talent. Will keep getting better," Mel Kiper Jr. said.
Love it...
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Beautiful...
Hell has frozen over.
Been here since 1994 and this is maybe the first time I've ever agreed with bw.
Love that they traded back and got more picks.
Love that they got a pass rusher (their biggest need IMO)
Love that it's Ojulari. Beyond being the top EDGE on many boards, including Bruegler's, Dave Diehl loves this guy. Says he reminds him of Osi.
Love that they got him in the 2nd instead of the 1st.
Love that the Giants are LOADED for the 2022 draft.
Get another OL in round 3 and I'll be even happier.
they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
even when you hit on a pick it doesn't mean it's for sure they will get to a second contract - just as we saw with DT. If the guy is healthy right now and talented it's just a risk reward assessment, and since they were able to add another 3rd for next year the risk seems very low.
In a good year 2 draft picks get to the 2nd contracts with the team that drafts them. Not the worst thing in the world to draft a guy and get a few productive years even if it doesn't go too much further than that. Plenty of guys enter with no injury concerns but then suffer major injuries (like Carter). Just part of the game.
they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to. If you like the draft, DG gets credit either directly, indirectly and more likely both. He hired Judge. He is choosing to listen to him if that is happening.
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
Read my post about 10up...said something similar.
Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?
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#50 NYG: Azeez Ojulari - EGDE/Georgia
He would have been in the discussion at #20 if the knee wasn't an issue. Something to keep an eye on. Has the high level speed and burst off the edge, a natural pass rusher. NYG doesn't have anything like him, about time.
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Both picks so far have a ton of upside and the trades were great.
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sure the Giants checked out his knee. It probably did scare off other teams, but Sy said it isn't anything to be concerned about. Somebody also said that a reporter for The Athletic said the same thing.
That’s the issue with this draft. No in person evals Re covid. Anyone figure it out yet the giants are smartly loading up picks for next year? Anyone?
You're right. They couldn't have examined his knee. They were going off someone else's reports.
Grade: 84
Summary: Third year sophomore entry from Marietta, Georgia. A two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All SEC honors in 2020. The semifinalist for the Chuck Bednarik Award led the SEC in tackles for loss and sacks in 2020, a year after leading the Bulldogs in sacks and pressures. Ojulari is a mature, hardworking kid that gets the most out of his talents. He won team-awards for most improved player in 2019 as well as one for his efforts during the offseason strength and conditioning program. Ojulari was also a team captain in 2019, the first time a freshman has earned that honor in the Coach Smart era. This is a kid that has high-end talent that can be used in multiple ways for a defense, and it is paired with top notch intangibles. His game really started to blossom as the 2020 season came to a close. He finished with 5 sacks over his last 3 games. Ojulari still has more physical development to achieve, as he will need to add functional weight to play the every down edge in the NFL, but his versatility, talent, and intangibles will make him a dangerous defensive weapon and he can be one of the best when things come together.
*No inside information here. I think Ojulari is on the NYG short list for #11 overall. I’m not exactly sure what NYG is looking to add to their outside pass rush. Do they want a pure burner (what Carter was supposed to turn into, and still can), or do they want an inside-out versatile piece? If it is the former, Ojulari is a very strong possibility. I think he has the best get off in the group. That is a great place to start. I also believe who he is as a person will be exactly what NYG wants to add.
No question. Smart trade back and great pick. Will be one of the top ten picks of this entire draft.
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
You can see Judge laughing in the video Sean linked?
So he was actually second? He IS Ojulari.
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his injury concerns. But he's an easy first rounder if his knee checks out. He was my third best ER behind Tryon and Ojulari.
So he was actually second? He IS Ojulari.
*I meant Jaelan Phillips. Haha, sorry
But if there has been a power shift, and Judge has more say in the process, well then I say thank God!
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
Read my post about 10up...said something similar.
Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?
Probably pissed bc he’s finally making some shrewd moves, then one of his computer guys is telling him everyone on BBI is giving Judge the credit:)
Thank God we play in the NFC.
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He did looked pissed and annoyed. IDK, maybe the guy he wanted was taken just before...or maybe Joe Judge overruled him and John Mara told him to sit in the corner. :P
Read my post about 10up...said something similar.
Maybe Judge really has the gavel...?
Probably pissed bc he’s finally making some shrewd moves, then one of his computer guys is telling him everyone on BBI is giving Judge the credit:)
^This.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
You can see Judge laughing in the video Sean linked?
No. I saw it in from the NFLN feed.
That's probably it.
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And then 7 picks in the first four rounds next year. Feel like the org is going in the right direction for the first time in a while
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
People seem to forget all these guys are watching this exact feed. How do those idiots at the draft think Toney felt about the Giants fans reaction to him being picked? Great welcoming huh? I think that's why in his first Giants.com video all he asked for was for the fans to please support him lol.
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No way I would take him over Paye
Ojulari's been more productive in a tougher conference than Paye. I think Ojulari is a superior prospect to Paye. IFFFFF Ojulari is healthy, Ojulari in the second is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Paye in the first, AINEC for me.
Amen
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In comment 15246815 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
Maybe because this year there were teams that wanted to trade up? People think it's easy to just trade down. It's not, you need was team willing to move up.
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In comment 15246839 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15246815 clatterbuck said:
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This draft is Belichickian in concept and execution.
Did you see the camera shot of the war room at Jints Central?
Gettleman was twirling his hands and looking real nervous. And then you see Judge to the right side looking at Gettleman and laughing at him...
Like: "Trust me Dave. I've got this..."
So this is where we are at? All good decisions are Judge, bad ones DG.
It's okay BW to admit you were wrong. DG killed it in FA. And do far is killing the draft.
Take a deep breath, and say it with me,.............
Maybe I was wrong on DG.
Fwiw, my comment was not meant as a knock on Gettleman and he gets props for looking ahead in the best interests of the franchise. But in previous years,I think Giants would have drafted Ojulari at 42 without the trade and without banking picks for next year. It just feels different now.
The rules are completely different this year. I think it’s that as much or more than Joe Judge.
After, yup!
This doesn't make much sense granted it's probably 4th hand information
After, yup!
Same here. I wanted Basham instead, but if that’s how the Giants are gonna roll, that’s how they’re gonna roll.
Sigh
Steady riser the last few years and came on very strong in '20. I think it's a plus coming out of Smart's system where AO experienced a 3-4 and 4-3, but mostly a 3-4. I think Graham will be able to move him around and find some favorable match-ups.
"Really talented," said one executive. "Checks a lot of the boxes," proclaimed a scout. "Great talent. Will keep getting better," Mel Kiper Jr. said.
And he's only 20 years old.
bw in dc : 8:31 pm : link : reply
Beautiful...
Hell has frozen over.
Been here since 1994 and this is maybe the first time I've ever agreed with bw.
Love that they traded back and got more picks.
Love that they got a pass rusher (their biggest need IMO)
Love that it's Ojulari. Beyond being the top EDGE on many boards, including Bruegler's, Dave Diehl loves this guy. Says he reminds him of Osi.
Love that they got him in the 2nd instead of the 1st.
Love that the Giants are LOADED for the 2022 draft.
Get another OL in round 3 and I'll be even happier.
What the...
In a good year 2 draft picks get to the 2nd contracts with the team that drafts them. Not the worst thing in the world to draft a guy and get a few productive years even if it doesn't go too much further than that. Plenty of guys enter with no injury concerns but then suffer major injuries (like Carter). Just part of the game.
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they didn't take him at 42...such a huge need you figure they would have taken him there. Someone who was 'supposed' to go in round 1. Slips to mid 2nd. 2020 highlights aren't too impressive either.
What the...
Didn't Mike Golic say that?
It's OK, it isn't a weakness to admit it.
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with no one stepping up to the mike and, in a slight fake British accent, yelling "HELLO CLEVELAND" it will be a disappointment:).
Didn't Mike Golic say that?
When he announced the Eagles pick I mean.