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NYG 2021 3rd-Round Pick: CB Aaron Robinson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 9:57 pm
Good player at need position.

Alabama transfer  
Kevin in CT : 4/30/2021 9:57 pm : link
Judge is familiar with him
Sy  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 9:58 pm : link
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6. Aaron Robinson / Central Florida / 6’0-190

Grade: 79

Summary: Fifth year senior from Deerfield Beach, Florida. Began his career at Alabama in 2016 where he played in 13 games. Transferred to Central Florida in 2017 and redshirted. Two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All AAC honors in both 2019 and 2020. Robinson has the pro-caliber foot speed and burst that enables him to stay sticky to his man on all levels of the route tree. He can play the game with his feet rather than getting too grabby with his hands. Robinson has a lot of dog in him. He is always one of the toughest players on the field and he knows it. Even though he needs to control where he gets aggressive and where to gamble, he is the kind of player that elevates the energy of a defense. That doesn’t occur much from cornerbacks. His size may keep him at nickel but he can play both.

*There are some corners that elevate their game with swagger. They are constantly getting in fights, constantly running their mouth. I understand that isn’t an approach for everyone t get behind, but I personally love it. Much prefer that than guys on opposing teams laughing with each other all game and trading jerseys afterward. Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.

Don't know a ton about him  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 9:58 pm : link
But he has decent size with really athleticism. He began his career at Bama so he was a teammate of Xavier McKinney.


I forgot who, but one or two of the NFL Network guys had him going in the late first round. Possibly DJ or Bucky Brooks.
Like it  
Sammo85 : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
No knock on Holmes but I think this guy takes his snaps and role.
ESPN coverage  
Mike in NY : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
Loving Robinson pick
Good pick  
ChicagoMarty : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
Jints hedge their expensive FA bets

This dude is fast

Can play inside or out

Tough

My kind of cb
RE: Don't know a ton about him  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15247226 Anakim said:
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But he has decent size with really athleticism. He began his career at Bama so he was a teammate of Xavier McKinney.


I forgot who, but one or two of the NFL Network guys had him going in the late first round. Possibly DJ or Bucky Brooks.


Sy write-up just above..Love his last sentence
NIce - a corner on the big side.  
short lease : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
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RE: Don't know a ton about him  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15247226 Anakim said:
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But he has decent size with really athleticism. He began his career at Bama so he was a teammate of Xavier McKinney.


I forgot who, but one or two of the NFL Network guys had him going in the late first round. Possibly DJ or Bucky Brooks.


*really good
can never have enough corners  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 9:59 pm : link
sounds very similar to Holmes. Obviously they picked him higher and traded up for him so they must think he could be even better.

my biggest hope with this draft was increasing team speed. Check, check, check so far. And they added 3 more picks for next year.
Like him  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 10:00 pm : link
But OL still needs work.
didn't see this coming  
Del Shofner : 4/30/2021 10:00 pm : link
but OK.
Excellent pick  
Jay on the Island : 4/30/2021 10:00 pm : link
The lack of talent at CB killed the Giants last season but now they've added Jackson and now Robinson to give them impressive depth.
From Sy’s review of his 6th best CB..Love this:  
Big Blue '56 : 4/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
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Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.

What did we give up to move up 5 spots?  
George from PA : 4/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
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buh-bye  
Matt in SGS : 4/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
Sam Beal.
Just said on  
giant power : 4/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
NFL network he ran a 4/3.5 40. That is real fast!
RE: What did we give up to move up 5 spots?  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15247254 George from PA said:
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Fifth rounder got from the Bears
RE: What did we give up to move up 5 spots?  
Mike in NY : 4/30/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15247254 George from PA said:
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The 5th we got from Chicago
Looks like a stud to me!  
Simms11 : 4/30/2021 10:02 pm : link
Beal is most likely on notice and Yiadom too.
CB depth and skill  
Sammo85 : 4/30/2021 10:02 pm : link
Is essential in today’s NFL.
Not surprising,  
darren in pdx : 4/30/2021 10:03 pm : link
adding depth to the secondary is necessary. Maybe the rumours about the staff being down on Holmes are true, as well.

This draft is going about how a lot said it would, more players going in slots not expected more than usual.
What was the trade?  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/30/2021 10:03 pm : link
We traded up to Denver. What did we give up?
This pick is about 2022 and forward  
81_Great_Dane : 4/30/2021 10:03 pm : link
They have some expensive veterans who will have to go for cap reasons in the next couple of years. You draft a guy like this, develop him and hopefully when the job opens up above him on the depth chart, he's ready to seize it and start
Meet the new nickel cornerback  
BigBlueBuff : 4/30/2021 10:03 pm : link
I'm willing to bet that this is an immediate upgrade over Holmes and Yiadom.
RE: What was the trade?  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15247271 JoeyBigBlue said:
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We traded up to Denver. What did we give up?


Our fifth round pick this year that we got from the Bears
I'm not familiar with him  
AcesUp : 4/30/2021 10:03 pm : link
but looks like a scheme fit.
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Kevin in CT : 4/30/2021 10:04 pm : link
#Giants source on why they like UCF CB Aaron Robinson: "We can play man defense with him and he's tough. NYG Football."
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Our corners sucked last year minus Bradberry  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/30/2021 10:04 pm : link

We needed another corner. Another solid pick by DG.
I love this pick  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/30/2021 10:04 pm : link
And I hope this pick fucked Dallas and Was
He  
AcidTest : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
seems like a really good pick. Lots of pass breakups and tackles well. I agree that this is probably the end of Beal. JonC also said the Giants were not happy with their nickel play, so this is competition for Holmes.

Here are the picks DG has used on CBs:

Baker: 2,4,5.
Beal: 3.
Robinson: 3.
Love: 4.
Holmes: 4.
Ballentine: 6.
Yiadom: 7
So far 3 picks  
Mattman : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
All three are about passing or defending the pass
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Walnut : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
Awful pick
We have a nice quarter at CB  
Anakim : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
Bradberry----Holmes-----Robinson-----Adoree



McKinney-----Peppers

Ryan
Love



That's a young yet deep secondary
I mean we traded up  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
To pass those fuckers imo
RE: Looks like a stud to me!  
FranknWeezer : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15247264 Simms11 said:
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Beal is most likely on notice and Yiadom too.


Beal is a foregone conclusion. They already gave his number to someone else.
RE: can never have enough corners  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2021 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15247244 Eric on Li said:
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sounds very similar to Holmes. Obviously they picked him higher and traded up for him so they must think he could be even better.

my biggest hope with this draft was increasing team speed. Check, check, check so far. And they added 3 more picks for next year.
Some poop on the board this week of some dissatisfaction with Holmes (maybe per JonC?): he made some costly mistakes, but he was a rook with talent, quicks, and twitch, smart. Wonder if it was that he didn't dress a fair amount because of dings.
Sy likes him a lot..  
Sean : 4/30/2021 10:06 pm : link
Nearly had a first round grade on him.
Surprised  
CowboyHaters : 4/30/2021 10:06 pm : link
but I know someone posted earlier that the Giants weren’t all that pleased with Holmes. I liked his highlights.

That’s a lot of speed  
eli4life : 4/30/2021 10:06 pm : link
Added so far this draft
4.39 forty at his pro day  
Vanzetti : 4/30/2021 10:06 pm : link
37 vertical
6.88 3 cone
15x. Bench

Those are very good numbers
Didn't Holmes play well last year?  
Kanavis : 4/30/2021 10:06 pm : link
And wasn't he the best slot corner is last year's draft supposedly? Oh well. Wanted online. But if he was rated that highly....
The JPP of cornerbacks  
Lurts : 4/30/2021 10:06 pm : link
?
Do they even invite Beal to  
Ben in Tampa : 4/30/2021 10:07 pm : link
Camp?
RE: So far 3 picks  
Go Terps : 4/30/2021 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15247282 Mattman said:
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All three are about passing or defending the pass


Yup. New day.
Struggled getting  
greek13 : 4/30/2021 10:08 pm : link
Defense off the field on 3rd down - third corner critical add !! And the hope for the rush improved too!
Just checked  
giant power : 4/30/2021 10:08 pm : link
his speed numbers online. 4.38 40. Surtain ran a 4.42 and Asante Samuel a 4.45. by comparison. Does not mean he is in their class but speed in a corner is certainly a nice asset to have.
RE: .  
broadbandz : 4/30/2021 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15247286 Walnut said:
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Awful pick


not even close bro
this line sells me (along with Sy's assessment grade)  
islander1 : 4/30/2021 10:08 pm : link
"Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it."

Fuck yes.
Good stuff.  
bceagle05 : 4/30/2021 10:08 pm : link
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Great pick at the spot  
Chip : 4/30/2021 10:08 pm : link
CBS sports had him at 48 th player for whatever that is worth. Mckinney liked the pick.
This is the happiest I’ve been through 3  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/30/2021 10:09 pm : link
Rounds in at least a decade. Love this pick.
RE: Surprised  
mfsd : 4/30/2021 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15247295 CowboyHaters said:
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but I know someone posted earlier that the Giants weren’t all that pleased with Holmes. I liked his highlights.


Holmes got several defensive holding penalties last year, a couple were killers that let opponents keep drives alive.

They can compete for the job, this is the NFL, no scholarships. CB is a need every year in the league now
Maybe 5th time will be the charm for a Gettleman college CB  
Greg from LI : 4/30/2021 10:10 pm : link
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Not much issue taking a CB  
David B. : 4/30/2021 10:10 pm : link
Not sure why they needed to trade up to get him, but a 5th is probably no big Diehl.

Would have preferred an OL.
Will we get interior OL in 4th?  
greek13 : 4/30/2021 10:11 pm : link
I’m saying big yes and I smile all summer - with 7 picks in top 120 or so next year - plenty of trade bait too!
RE: Do they even invite Beal to  
ColHowPepper : 4/30/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15247302 Ben in Tampa said:
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Camp?
A DG Special...to go
Need?  
Mr. Nickels : 4/30/2021 10:11 pm : link
I don't think so..
Never can have enough DBs  
MarvelousMike : 4/30/2021 10:11 pm : link
We all know that one or more DBs are going to pull a hammy and miss a few games for this now 17 game season. Need the added depth back there that we did not have last season.
CB is the most important position for our defense  
Metnut : 4/30/2021 10:11 pm : link
so building org depth is important there. This kid is nice value in the third.

All that being said, I really think we need to add a good OG going into next year. Maybe we can trade one of our extra 4ths next year to get back into 3rd and nab Wyatt Davis.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 10:12 pm : link
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
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#71 NYG: Aaron Robinson - CB/Central Florida

Really aggressive cover man that could project both in the slot and outside. Quick twitched, fast feet, and physical. Robinson plays like he truly hates his opponent each week. Gamer.
Robinson  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 10:13 pm : link
New York Giants: Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida - A+ Grade

The Giants added Adoree Jackson to James Bradberry, but they still needed one more cornerback. Aaron Robinson addresses that void, providing great value in the process. I've had Robinson in the first round of some of my updates, so I absolutely love this pick.
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From McGinn  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 10:13 pm : link
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11. Aaron Robinson, Central Florida (5-foot-11½, 188, 4.39, Round 2 or 3): Covered kicks at Alabama in 2016 before transferring to UCF and sitting out ’17. Missed six games with a concussion in 2018 before serving as the nickel back covering slot receivers the past two seasons.

“Best nickel defender in the draft,” one scout said. “He’s got everything you want. The thing that holds him back is the consistency of the instincts. Sometimes he gets sloppy.”

From Deerfield Beach, Fla., Robinson started 19 of 42 games for UCF, finishing with 109 tackles (7½ for loss), three picks and 21 PBUs.

“He’s got height and he runs well,” a second scout said. “He’s a little grabby and sort of duck-footed. I wouldn’t use the word awkward, though. He’s not super fluid, but he does have some explosion to him.”

Said a third scout: “They played him more as a slot in that off-ball safety position. He is tough as hell. He’s got short-area cover quickness and twitch. You don’t really want him on the outside covering, but as a slot-hybrid type of guy, he’s a really good player.”
I don't think our problem has ever been  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 10:13 pm : link
that we have too many guys who can cover.

In today's NFL your defense is only as good as your worst CB on the field.
Hope he's sharper  
David B. : 4/30/2021 10:13 pm : link
Than he sounds in his first interview.
Lets draft a slot corner every year  
averagejoe : 4/30/2021 10:14 pm : link
Trading up for a 4th CB is more like it Dave. Next pick should be a back up for our long snapper because injuries happen.
Ummmmm  
chopperhatch : 4/30/2021 10:14 pm : link
RE: Just said on  
santacruzom : 4/30/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15247258 giant power said:
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NFL network he ran a 4/3.5 40. That is real fast!


4/3.5? 4 divided by 3.5 is 1.14, so that's definitely fast. I'd say a 1.14 40 might even be a record!
RE: 4.39 forty at his pro day  
Johnny5 : 4/30/2021 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15247298 Vanzetti said:
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37 vertical
6.88 3 cone
15x. Bench

Those are very good numbers

Strong fast and aggressive. What's not to like? lol
RE: RE: Just said on  
FStubbs : 4/30/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15247344 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15247258 giant power said:


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NFL network he ran a 4/3.5 40. That is real fast!



4/3.5? 4 divided by 3.5 is 1.14, so that's definitely fast. I'd say a 1.14 40 might even be a record!


Haha, a CB who could run a 1.14 40 miight have even gone ahead of Trevor Lawrence.
RE: Lets draft a slot corner every year  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15247342 averagejoe said:
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Trading up for a 4th CB is more like it Dave. Next pick should be a back up for our long snapper because injuries happen.


You really need to look at the WRs in our division.
Robinson  
Jerry K : 4/30/2021 10:19 pm : link
Sy graded him a 79, compared to a 71 for Holmes last year. So maybe we upgrade the nickel back.
I just don’t get it  
GiantSteps : 4/30/2021 10:20 pm : link
Holmes doesn’t need the competition anywhere near as much as Lemieux does
RE: Do they even invite Beal to  
FStubbs : 4/30/2021 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15247302 Ben in Tampa said:
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Camp?


I bet they'd love to cut Beal right here but they'll let him come to some of the offseason workouts. He's basically the guy at the end of the roster right now.
Robinson battled with Toney in senior bowl practices  
BSIMatt : 4/30/2021 10:21 pm : link
That’s pretty interesting.
RE: I just don’t get it  
Mike in NY : 4/30/2021 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15247362 GiantSteps said:
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Holmes doesn’t need the competition anywhere near as much as Lemieux does


The draft isn’t over
Robinson vs Toney  
Kevin in CT : 4/30/2021 10:21 pm : link
1v1
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RE: Robinson  
jeff57 : 4/30/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15247356 Jerry K said:
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Sy graded him a 79, compared to a 71 for Holmes last year. So maybe we upgrade the nickel back.


Robinson is a substantial upgrade.
RE: .  
bLiTz 2k : 4/30/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15247286 Walnut said:
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Awful pick


LOL
RE: Lets draft a slot corner every year  
chopperhatch : 4/30/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15247342 averagejoe said:
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Trading up for a 4th CB is more like it Dave. Next pick should be a back up for our long snapper because injuries happen.



Theres no cure for dumb thoughts...
RE: Lets draft a slot corner every year  
fireitup77 : 4/30/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15247342 averagejoe said:
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Trading up for a 4th CB is more like it Dave. Next pick should be a back up for our long snapper because injuries happen.


Judge left for a bathroom break and DG f'ed it up.
RE: Robinson vs Toney  
Johnny5 : 4/30/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15247371 Kevin in CT said:
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Ha, GREAT find!
Can’t have enough corners  
Sean : 4/30/2021 10:26 pm : link
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Re: the draft isn’t over  
GiantSteps : 4/30/2021 10:27 pm : link
Correct. But we don’t need to draft another low end OL.
We already have enough of those.
RE: .  
Dr. D : 4/30/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15247286 Walnut said:
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Awful pick

Thanks for playing. Can I call you Wal?
I actually thought corner was a bigger need than edge  
Bill L : 4/30/2021 10:27 pm : link
And going into round 4, I’m *still* not that high on OL. RB or TE is where I turn my attention.
RE: Re: the draft isn’t over  
Sean : 4/30/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15247395 GiantSteps said:
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Correct. But we don’t need to draft another low end OL.
We already have enough of those.

I think there’s a huge emphasis on coaching/development. Sale is a crucial hire.
was the knock on Holmes  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 10:29 pm : link
that they didn't like him as a corner or just didn't like him as the nickel corner?
You need CB depth  
AcesUp : 4/30/2021 10:30 pm : link
Probably the most important unit to have depth in outside of OL, which nobody has depth at. If we're running a Pats-like defense, you need 3 corners that can play press when called upon. If they don't think Holmes is that guy or he needs competition, then that's a starting position that need reinforcement. I'd like an IOL as much as anybody, but this is definitely a need. There isn't much behind the guys we paid for and the slot guy we drafted last year.

After every game, look at the defensive snap counts. Guys not making the MNF video intros are outsnapping some of the guys that make that, they're in the secondary too.
Looks like he can contribute on KR coverage and PR coverage too  
kdog77 : 4/30/2021 10:31 pm : link
Giants could use some fast gunners that can tackle.
With 3 trades in the 1st 3 rounds  
Matt in SGS : 4/30/2021 10:32 pm : link
it really looks like the Giants are going off the value on their board w/ specific players in mind. They are collecting picks for 2022 which is a deeper draft (and will have the benefit of more rigorous scouting as things get back to a new normal). They aren't just drafting guys because that's where they are. This is an aggressiveness we haven't seen from the Giants in a very long time, if ever really. We will see if these guys actually pan out, but it seems like the Giants aren't making the same mistake as the past in picking the Cedric Jones, Erick Flowers, or Eli Apple because someone took their guy before and they just take anyone next. Have to credit Judge for this change in direction.
RE: RE: Lets draft a slot corner every year  
Dr. D : 4/30/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15247354 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15247342 averagejoe said:


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Trading up for a 4th CB is more like it Dave. Next pick should be a back up for our long snapper because injuries happen.



You really need to look at the WRs in our division.


and get a grip, maybe some deep breathing, valium and/or a puppy.
You wanna play man coverage?  
Breeze_94 : 4/30/2021 10:35 pm : link
This is your guy.
RE: Robinson vs Toney  
DavidinBMNY : 4/30/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15247371 Kevin in CT said:
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Interesting.
...  
christian : 4/30/2021 10:36 pm : link
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
RE: ...  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/30/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15247434 christian said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.


disagree -- it is both
Gamer....thats the word I'd describe him SY n ailed it.  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/30/2021 10:38 pm : link
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RE: With 3 trades in the 1st 3 rounds  
Chocco : 4/30/2021 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15247417 Matt in SGS said:
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it really looks like the Giants are going off the value on their board w/ specific players in mind. They are collecting picks for 2022 which is a deeper draft (and will have the benefit of more rigorous scouting as things get back to a new normal). They aren't just drafting guys because that's where they are. This is an aggressiveness we haven't seen from the Giants in a very long time, if ever really. We will see if these guys actually pan out, but it seems like the Giants aren't making the same mistake as the past in picking the Cedric Jones, Erick Flowers, or Eli Apple because someone took their guy before and they just take anyone next. Have to credit Judge for this change in direction.

This, but DG gets credit too
small time  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 10:39 pm : link
interview. but a chance to get to know more...
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RE: ...  
Go Terps : 4/30/2021 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15247434 christian said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.


Yeah it looks like we've finally joined the 21st century. Reason for optimism, finally.
RE: ...  
Matt in SGS : 4/30/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15247434 christian said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.


They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
team's strength is stopping the run  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 10:40 pm : link
not rushing the passer. they're trying to address that
What’s the story behind his transfer  
FranknWeezer : 4/30/2021 10:41 pm : link
From Bama to UCF?
RE: Re: the draft isn’t over  
BSIMatt : 4/30/2021 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15247395 GiantSteps said:
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Correct. But we don’t need to draft another low end OL.
We already have enough of those.


Sy in his preview for what would today said he thought they’d go edge first and then possibly lb/defensive back and would hold off on ol, that the value wasn’t there...that was before a single pick was made. Mistakes are made when you force a pick at a position of need, so from that standpoint it seems the Giants did very well. Our second round pick was mocked several times to us as high as 11, our 3rd rounder was rated higher as a CB prospect by multiple sources than the guy Dallas took in round 2, and the Giants added another 2022 pick which are valued more than the picks in this draft because that draft will be much deeper. Hard to see how the Giants didn’t crush the draft for the second day in a row, I’m honestly stunned(in a good way).
Curtis Conway, NFL Network, projected AR going to the Bears  
GeofromNJ : 4/30/2021 10:43 pm : link
on the 2nd round. Conway added, "A couple of years from now, if we say, 'If we could do the draft over again, who would be in the first round?', that guy would be Aaron Robinson."
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christian : 4/30/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15247452 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 15247434 christian said:


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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.


I think Lawrence and Williams are better pass rushers than they are space eaters.
In that "small time" interview I linked  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 10:44 pm : link
kid is asking some good questions
I don't know what has changed  
Boatie Warrant : 4/30/2021 10:44 pm : link
If it's evaluation process or people making the decisions but I am very much a fan of what we have done in this draft so far
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Dr. D : 4/30/2021 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15247449 Go Terps said:
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Reason for optimism, finally.

We agree! Yay!
RE: RE: ...  
BSIMatt : 4/30/2021 10:46 pm : link

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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.




Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
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AcesUp : 4/30/2021 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15247440 gidiefor said:
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In comment 15247434 christian said:


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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



disagree -- it is both


Both is better but not realistic. You have a finite amount of resources, you will ultimately prioritized one or the other whether it's a conscious choice or not.
BSI Matt...  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 10:47 pm : link
un yeah...
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Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15247434 christian said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.


they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.

McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
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AcesUp : 4/30/2021 10:49 pm : link
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.






Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.


Shelton is a non commitment in terms of resources. Leonard Williams was prioritized over the cheaper DT because of what he could do in the passing game. Dexter Lawrence was a decision made for the run but that was decision made 2 years ago and there may be a shift going on here. He's a great player though.
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christian : 4/30/2021 10:51 pm : link
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Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.


The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.

Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.
Aces  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 10:51 pm : link
that same draft they traded up for Baker. And the year prior they took BJ Hill in the 3rd and Beal with a supplemental 3rd. Both have been priorities and neither position has been given short shrift (which is why they are probably the 2 strongest position groups on the team).
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Bill L : 4/30/2021 10:53 pm : link
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Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.



The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.

Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.

I thought they spent more money on Williams than Jackson?
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Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 10:53 pm : link
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Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.



The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.

Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.


If you look at the 3 year resource spends DL and DB probably lead the way. Don't forget the LW trade + contract, in addition to Lawrence and BJ Hill. They've definitely put as much or more into DBs but part of that is twice as many DBs play every game as DL.
Shelton  
bc4life : 4/30/2021 10:54 pm : link
was a first round draft pick. He can play - you can only devote so much money to every position and they have to re-up Lawrence in a few.

This is a solid run stopping defense that needed to add pass rushers
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christian : 4/30/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15247497 Eric on Li said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.

McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.


Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
Christian  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/30/2021 11:01 pm : link
Lawrence and Williams are outstanding run defenders. Two of the best in the NFL. You're way off.
RE: Christian  
christian : 4/30/2021 11:04 pm : link
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Lawrence and Williams are outstanding run defenders. Two of the best in the NFL. You're way off.


Never said they weren’t. But do you think Williams gets that massive deal if he’s not arguably the 2nd best pass rusher at his position in the NFL?
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Go Terps : 4/30/2021 11:06 pm : link
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Reason for optimism, finally.


We agree! Yay!


Lots of people seem to care what I think about the team. That doesn't go both ways.
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Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15247538 christian said:
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Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.


8-9 DB's play on Sundays which is generally 2 or 3 more than DL so it's not too surprising. More are carried on the roster so more need to be picked. Add to that that more of the DBs they have added haven't worked than the DL. Had Dexter Lawrence gotten arrested/suspended/cut or BJ Hill opted out due to C19 as Baker/Beal did they'd have had to use more resource in the last couple years.
rush the passer and cover....  
BillKo : 4/30/2021 11:14 pm : link
...seems we tried to cover both of those with two of our first three picks.

What's not to like?
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christian : 4/30/2021 11:15 pm : link
The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.

They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.

The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.

They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.

This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
This kid can play and I think Mike Hughes (first round corner from UCF  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/30/2021 11:16 pm : link
that looks like he's going to bust) scared some teams off.
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Bill L : 4/30/2021 11:18 pm : link
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Reason for optimism, finally.


We agree! Yay!



Lots of people seem to care what I think about the team. That doesn't go both ways.
c’mon, we all know what you think about the team. You tell us incessantly.
While I've harped on focusing on offense, I have to like these 2 picks  
Marty in Albany : 4/30/2021 11:19 pm : link
It is a passing league and big plays win games. These guys stop the big pass by rushing the passer and reducing the time to pass and by having the speed to defend against a super fast WR.

These 2 guys (whether you like them or hate them) are clearly not reaches. This is the first time in years that BBIers have not called any of our picks "reaches."

Even if you think, as I do, that we need offense here more than defense, Robinson ("Arob?") and Azeez have the talent to get on the field THIS season and help the team.

I prefer the choice of a talented defensive player than reaching for an offensive player. Get good players this year and improve the team. Regardless of whom we pick we're not going to the Super Bowl this year.




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fireitup77 : 4/30/2021 11:19 pm : link
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.

McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.



Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.



Maybe because they already have the guys on the team to stop the run?
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Bill L : 4/30/2021 11:19 pm : link
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The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.

They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.

The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.

They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.

This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.

Again, who did they spend more on than Lwilliams?
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Jerry's Kids : 4/30/2021 11:21 pm : link
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.



I think Lawrence and Williams are better pass rushers than they are space eaters.


Lawerence is more of a run stuffer, Williams does both slightly better pass rusher, my 2 cents.
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blueblood : 4/30/2021 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15247452 Matt in SGS said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.


Its almost like some people dont watch the Giants or something
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Eric on Li : 4/30/2021 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15247587 Bill L said:
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The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.

They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.

The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.

They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.

This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.


Again, who did they spend more on than Lwilliams?


They also spent on Martinez who is better vs. the run than the pass (many, myself included, preferred Corey Littleton and Joe Schobert because they were better in coverage).
RE: Aces  
AcesUp : 4/30/2021 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15247514 Eric on Li said:
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that same draft they traded up for Baker. And the year prior they took BJ Hill in the 3rd and Beal with a supplemental 3rd. Both have been priorities and neither position has been given short shrift (which is why they are probably the 2 strongest position groups on the team).


Yeh we were at the bottom of a rebuild. This means that we were at a point where we had a wealth of resources. High draft picks, extra draft picks and a flushed out cap with future space cleared out. We're hitting that pick now in terms of spend. There's going to be space but a lot of it will be focused on extending internal guys instead of going outside. It was a time where you didn't need to prioritize.

My point is, now we're getting to spot where you're needing to prioritize. They appear to be prioritizing the pass with recent moves the last 2 years. The Leonard Williams contract is a big indicator, you could have had his run production at half the cost with DT but they paid that premium because of what he brings against the pass.
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christian : 4/30/2021 11:29 pm : link
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Again, who did they spend more on than Lwilliams?


Again, do you think the Giants sniff Williams at the price if he’s a not a premium pass rusher?
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christian : 4/30/2021 11:31 pm : link
Eric, good point on Martinez. Best example of the Giants post-Judge investing in a player with a focus on the run game.
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Gatorade Dunk : 4/30/2021 11:41 pm : link
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Awful pick

I suspect you'll fade back into the woodwork after tomorrow. We'll all figure out how to survive from there.
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Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15247452 Matt in SGS said:
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.


Lawrence can push the pocket for sure-- LW is mainly a DT who stops the run? He had 11.5 sacks last year. That's a lot considering most of the time the "3" in the 3-4 are indeed space eaters and not the ones set up to rush the pasher as much as the "4".
BTW--  
Leg of Theismann : 4/30/2021 11:45 pm : link
I could see the Giants getting another pass rush specialist tomorrow, maybe as one of their 6th round picks. One of the versatile EDGE dudes who can line up anywhere (including inside) and rush the passer on 3rd down. There are several still on the board.

I think Graham's defense is all about asking guys to play a rather specific role and the role is based on what they personally do best. Changing up looks and packages and having specialty guys. That also strikes me as aligned w/ Judge's philosophy-- that "Do your job" Patriot-type of philosophy.
Outstanding pick  
Thegratefulhead : 4/30/2021 11:47 pm : link
Reminds me of Mark Collins. Guy can tackle.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/1/2021 12:00 am : link
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.

This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.



They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.



Lawrence can push the pocket for sure-- LW is mainly a DT who stops the run? He had 11.5 sacks last year. That's a lot considering most of the time the "3" in the 3-4 are indeed space eaters and not the ones set up to rush the pasher as much as the "4".


Leonard Williams has consistently been a high-level run plugger. It's been his calling card. plugged. Pass rush has always been up in the air with him.
RE: Robinson vs Toney  
Amtoft : 5/1/2021 12:46 am : link
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1v1 Link - ( New Window )


Ok Robinson I see you! That was some good coverage against a player that people struggled to cover
Christian  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/1/2021 12:50 am : link
What's your point? You earlier suggested that the Giants don't have run stuffers on this team. They do. They have two of the best. Williams got paid because he is a superb run defender who also rushes the passer.
And  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/1/2021 12:52 am : link
no one has given up on anyone in the secondary. You need four corners, especially in this division. Yiadom didn't play well late in the season.
Can’t say I know a lick about this guy  
ryanmkeane : 5/1/2021 1:01 am : link
but happy with what I’ve read, especially Sy and some scouts who really like the kids competitiveness. We need some physical gamers on this team. I actually like Holmes but clearly this dude is a better prospect in terms of overall projection. Let’s turn this secondary into an elite one. If he’s better than Holmes in the slot, sign me up
Baldy likes him  
Pork Chop : 5/1/2021 3:01 am : link
good enough for me
day one starter - ( New Window )
RE: Baldy likes him  
dune69 : 5/1/2021 5:15 am : link
In comment 15247793 Pork Chop said:
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good enough for me day one starter - ( New Window )


Baldy could be the happiest man alive when he is reviewing good football players.
Given what the analysts are saying about Robinson  
BillT : 5/1/2021 7:35 am : link
I think the Giants just couldn’t believe he was in the board in the 3rd. At some point it’s about getting good football players. You can’t pass up talent like this.
Damn  
ryanmkeane : 5/1/2021 7:49 am : link
his cover skills look excellent in those Baldy clips
He's a great tackler.  
mittenedman : 5/1/2021 8:01 am : link
As DG mentioned in his PC, the best D's in the league have good tackling secondaries.

Both Robinson and Ojulari put people on the ground. Adoree Jackson can tackle too. It's a theme.
I do not understand the bitching about Robinson  
KDavies : 5/1/2021 8:53 am : link
you don’t draft for position. You draft for talent. Robinson had projections in the 2nd. If you read the interviews, it appears as if he was in play for the Giants at #50. He is a good CB. If Bradberrry or Jackson are injured, you are back at starting castoffs
Very happy they added talent at CB.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/1/2021 9:03 am : link
Sorry to give up the fifth-rounder, but that’s just the fan in me speaking. The draft is fun, and more picks means more fun. By the time that pick comes around, they would have been throwing darts anyway, especially in this weird year.

As a bonus, Robinson will be a good roommate and carpool buddy for Toney, who likes to have an AR nearby for security. (I’m here all week, folks.)
RE: Baldy likes him  
Simms11 : 5/1/2021 10:22 am : link
In comment 15247793 Pork Chop said:
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good enough for me day one starter - ( New Window )


Nice find. Love the pick even more. Our secondary is going to be SICK, barring injury of course.
I like this pick  
Carson53 : 5/1/2021 10:27 am : link
Robinson is competitive and feisty, and he is use to playing
the nickel. Holmes did an okay job as a rookie, but he never
played the slot at UCLA, played on the outside primarily.
Nothing wrong with good competition is what I say.
Baldy, great stuff, he needs to find an electronic pointer  
ColHowPepper : 5/1/2021 10:49 am : link
he has fat fingers LOL. Kid looks good
Don't think this pick has anything to do with  
Dave on the UWS : 5/1/2021 11:15 am : link
whether they are happy with Holmes or not. As mentioned above, the draft is about accumulating talent, building depth that can become starters- sometimes sooner rather than later. The better your depth at a position like CB, the more competitive you can be, even with some injuries. We've seen the Giants get killed at a single position due to injuries.
These are 3 guys who should help significantly. There will be serviceable OL available as cuts are made in the off-season. That's one way to shore up the depth.
I don’t like this pick  
GiantsLaw : 5/1/2021 11:24 am : link
I love it
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Carson53 : 5/1/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15248240 Dave on the UWS said:
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whether they are happy with Holmes or not. As mentioned above, the draft is about accumulating talent, building depth that can become starters- sometimes sooner rather than later. The better your depth at a position like CB, the more competitive you can be, even with some injuries. We've seen the Giants get killed at a single position due to injuries.
These are 3 guys who should help significantly. There will be serviceable OL available as cuts are made in the off-season. That's one way to shore up the depth.
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They drafted Robinson, because they feel he is an upgrade
over a diminutive slot corner. As mentioned above,
Holmes did not play the slot at UCLA, played on the outside.
So to say it has nothing to do with Holmes is a bit foolhardy. Sure, it's also about competition and depth,
but it's mostly upgrading the position.
I didn't see this posted anywhere  
D HOS : 5/1/2021 2:19 pm : link
Baldy likes the player. From 3/9
Baldy's Breakdown of Aaron Robinson - ( New Window )
RE: Christian  
christian : 5/1/2021 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15247747 Eric from BBI said:
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What's your point? You earlier suggested that the Giants don't have run stuffers on this team. They do. They have two of the best. Williams got paid because he is a superb run defender who also rushes the passer.


That’s a silly response and not what I said. I said this team is being built to stop the pass, and that the team identity is moving away from being an in the trenches team.

The Giants had two major departures, Zeitler and Tomlinson. The only additions to the lines were minimum salary types. They opted to not invest in the lines.

Take a look at where the Giants have spent their money and picks the last two years. This is easy to identify.
Pay back is a bitch!  
5BowlsSoon : 5/3/2021 10:11 am : link
I just read this...I assume it is true but can’t vouch.

Eagles war room was very upset in round 3 when a guy was taken off the board just in front of them. Some thought it was McNeil, DT, but apparently it wasn’t McNeiil, it was our AARON ROBINSON!

*****The story up here is that it wasn't McNeill, it was Robinson, the CB from UCF. Eagles had a clear need at CB and the scouts loved Robinson. When the Eagles traded down, the Giants slid in and took Robinson at 71.*****

Payback baby! I love it!
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