Summary: Fifth year senior from Deerfield Beach, Florida. Began his career at Alabama in 2016 where he played in 13 games. Transferred to Central Florida in 2017 and redshirted. Two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All AAC honors in both 2019 and 2020. Robinson has the pro-caliber foot speed and burst that enables him to stay sticky to his man on all levels of the route tree. He can play the game with his feet rather than getting too grabby with his hands. Robinson has a lot of dog in him. He is always one of the toughest players on the field and he knows it. Even though he needs to control where he gets aggressive and where to gamble, he is the kind of player that elevates the energy of a defense. That doesn’t occur much from cornerbacks. His size may keep him at nickel but he can play both.
*There are some corners that elevate their game with swagger. They are constantly getting in fights, constantly running their mouth. I understand that isn’t an approach for everyone t get behind, but I personally love it. Much prefer that than guys on opposing teams laughing with each other all game and trading jerseys afterward. Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.
Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.
They have some expensive veterans who will have to go for cap reasons in the next couple of years. You draft a guy like this, develop him and hopefully when the job opens up above him on the depth chart, he's ready to seize it and start
seems like a really good pick. Lots of pass breakups and tackles well. I agree that this is probably the end of Beal. JonC also said the Giants were not happy with their nickel play, so this is competition for Holmes.
sounds very similar to Holmes. Obviously they picked him higher and traded up for him so they must think he could be even better.
my biggest hope with this draft was increasing team speed. Check, check, check so far. And they added 3 more picks for next year.
Some poop on the board this week of some dissatisfaction with Holmes (maybe per JonC?): he made some costly mistakes, but he was a rook with talent, quicks, and twitch, smart. Wonder if it was that he didn't dress a fair amount because of dings.
his speed numbers online. 4.38 40. Surtain ran a 4.42 and Asante Samuel a 4.45. by comparison. Does not mean he is in their class but speed in a corner is certainly a nice asset to have.
We all know that one or more DBs are going to pull a hammy and miss a few games for this now 17 game season. Need the added depth back there that we did not have last season.
so building org depth is important there. This kid is nice value in the third.
All that being said, I really think we need to add a good OG going into next year. Maybe we can trade one of our extra 4ths next year to get back into 3rd and nab Wyatt Davis.
Really aggressive cover man that could project both in the slot and outside. Quick twitched, fast feet, and physical. Robinson plays like he truly hates his opponent each week. Gamer.
New York Giants: Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida - A+ Grade
The Giants added Adoree Jackson to James Bradberry, but they still needed one more cornerback. Aaron Robinson addresses that void, providing great value in the process. I've had Robinson in the first round of some of my updates, so I absolutely love this pick. Link - ( New Window )
11. Aaron Robinson, Central Florida (5-foot-11½, 188, 4.39, Round 2 or 3): Covered kicks at Alabama in 2016 before transferring to UCF and sitting out ’17. Missed six games with a concussion in 2018 before serving as the nickel back covering slot receivers the past two seasons.
“Best nickel defender in the draft,” one scout said. “He’s got everything you want. The thing that holds him back is the consistency of the instincts. Sometimes he gets sloppy.”
From Deerfield Beach, Fla., Robinson started 19 of 42 games for UCF, finishing with 109 tackles (7½ for loss), three picks and 21 PBUs.
“He’s got height and he runs well,” a second scout said. “He’s a little grabby and sort of duck-footed. I wouldn’t use the word awkward, though. He’s not super fluid, but he does have some explosion to him.”
Said a third scout: “They played him more as a slot in that off-ball safety position. He is tough as hell. He’s got short-area cover quickness and twitch. You don’t really want him on the outside covering, but as a slot-hybrid type of guy, he’s a really good player.”
I bet they'd love to cut Beal right here but they'll let him come to some of the offseason workouts. He's basically the guy at the end of the roster right now.
Robinson battled with Toney in senior bowl practices
Probably the most important unit to have depth in outside of OL, which nobody has depth at. If we're running a Pats-like defense, you need 3 corners that can play press when called upon. If they don't think Holmes is that guy or he needs competition, then that's a starting position that need reinforcement. I'd like an IOL as much as anybody, but this is definitely a need. There isn't much behind the guys we paid for and the slot guy we drafted last year.
After every game, look at the defensive snap counts. Guys not making the MNF video intros are outsnapping some of the guys that make that, they're in the secondary too.
Looks like he can contribute on KR coverage and PR coverage too
it really looks like the Giants are going off the value on their board w/ specific players in mind. They are collecting picks for 2022 which is a deeper draft (and will have the benefit of more rigorous scouting as things get back to a new normal). They aren't just drafting guys because that's where they are. This is an aggressiveness we haven't seen from the Giants in a very long time, if ever really. We will see if these guys actually pan out, but it seems like the Giants aren't making the same mistake as the past in picking the Cedric Jones, Erick Flowers, or Eli Apple because someone took their guy before and they just take anyone next. Have to credit Judge for this change in direction.
it really looks like the Giants are going off the value on their board w/ specific players in mind. They are collecting picks for 2022 which is a deeper draft (and will have the benefit of more rigorous scouting as things get back to a new normal). They aren't just drafting guys because that's where they are. This is an aggressiveness we haven't seen from the Giants in a very long time, if ever really. We will see if these guys actually pan out, but it seems like the Giants aren't making the same mistake as the past in picking the Cedric Jones, Erick Flowers, or Eli Apple because someone took their guy before and they just take anyone next. Have to credit Judge for this change in direction.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Correct. But we don’t need to draft another low end OL.
We already have enough of those.
Sy in his preview for what would today said he thought they’d go edge first and then possibly lb/defensive back and would hold off on ol, that the value wasn’t there...that was before a single pick was made. Mistakes are made when you force a pick at a position of need, so from that standpoint it seems the Giants did very well. Our second round pick was mocked several times to us as high as 11, our 3rd rounder was rated higher as a CB prospect by multiple sources than the guy Dallas took in round 2, and the Giants added another 2022 pick which are valued more than the picks in this draft because that draft will be much deeper. Hard to see how the Giants didn’t crush the draft for the second day in a row, I’m honestly stunned(in a good way).
Curtis Conway, NFL Network, projected AR going to the Bears
on the 2nd round. Conway added, "A couple of years from now, if we say, 'If we could do the draft over again, who would be in the first round?', that guy would be Aaron Robinson."
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
I think Lawrence and Williams are better pass rushers than they are space eaters.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
disagree -- it is both
Both is better but not realistic. You have a finite amount of resources, you will ultimately prioritized one or the other whether it's a conscious choice or not.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.
McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
Shelton is a non commitment in terms of resources. Leonard Williams was prioritized over the cheaper DT because of what he could do in the passing game. Dexter Lawrence was a decision made for the run but that was decision made 2 years ago and there may be a shift going on here. He's a great player though.
that same draft they traded up for Baker. And the year prior they took BJ Hill in the 3rd and Beal with a supplemental 3rd. Both have been priorities and neither position has been given short shrift (which is why they are probably the 2 strongest position groups on the team).
Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.
Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.
If you look at the 3 year resource spends DL and DB probably lead the way. Don't forget the LW trade + contract, in addition to Lawrence and BJ Hill. They've definitely put as much or more into DBs but part of that is twice as many DBs play every game as DL.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.
McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
8-9 DB's play on Sundays which is generally 2 or 3 more than DL so it's not too surprising. More are carried on the roster so more need to be picked. Add to that that more of the DBs they have added haven't worked than the DL. Had Dexter Lawrence gotten arrested/suspended/cut or BJ Hill opted out due to C19 as Baker/Beal did they'd have had to use more resource in the last couple years.
The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.
They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.
The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.
They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.
This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
This kid can play and I think Mike Hughes (first round corner from UCF
It is a passing league and big plays win games. These guys stop the big pass by rushing the passer and reducing the time to pass and by having the speed to defend against a super fast WR.
These 2 guys (whether you like them or hate them) are clearly not reaches. This is the first time in years that BBIers have not called any of our picks "reaches."
Even if you think, as I do, that we need offense here more than defense, Robinson ("Arob?") and Azeez have the talent to get on the field THIS season and help the team.
I prefer the choice of a talented defensive player than reaching for an offensive player. Get good players this year and improve the team. Regardless of whom we pick we're not going to the Super Bowl this year.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.
McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
Maybe because they already have the guys on the team to stop the run?
The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.
They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.
The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.
They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.
This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
I think Lawrence and Williams are better pass rushers than they are space eaters.
Lawerence is more of a run stuffer, Williams does both slightly better pass rusher, my 2 cents.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Its almost like some people dont watch the Giants or something
The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.
They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.
The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.
They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.
This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
Again, who did they spend more on than Lwilliams?
They also spent on Martinez who is better vs. the run than the pass (many, myself included, preferred Corey Littleton and Joe Schobert because they were better in coverage).
that same draft they traded up for Baker. And the year prior they took BJ Hill in the 3rd and Beal with a supplemental 3rd. Both have been priorities and neither position has been given short shrift (which is why they are probably the 2 strongest position groups on the team).
Yeh we were at the bottom of a rebuild. This means that we were at a point where we had a wealth of resources. High draft picks, extra draft picks and a flushed out cap with future space cleared out. We're hitting that pick now in terms of spend. There's going to be space but a lot of it will be focused on extending internal guys instead of going outside. It was a time where you didn't need to prioritize.
My point is, now we're getting to spot where you're needing to prioritize. They appear to be prioritizing the pass with recent moves the last 2 years. The Leonard Williams contract is a big indicator, you could have had his run production at half the cost with DT but they paid that premium because of what he brings against the pass.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Lawrence can push the pocket for sure-- LW is mainly a DT who stops the run? He had 11.5 sacks last year. That's a lot considering most of the time the "3" in the 3-4 are indeed space eaters and not the ones set up to rush the pasher as much as the "4".
I could see the Giants getting another pass rush specialist tomorrow, maybe as one of their 6th round picks. One of the versatile EDGE dudes who can line up anywhere (including inside) and rush the passer on 3rd down. There are several still on the board.
I think Graham's defense is all about asking guys to play a rather specific role and the role is based on what they personally do best. Changing up looks and packages and having specialty guys. That also strikes me as aligned w/ Judge's philosophy-- that "Do your job" Patriot-type of philosophy.
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Lawrence can push the pocket for sure-- LW is mainly a DT who stops the run? He had 11.5 sacks last year. That's a lot considering most of the time the "3" in the 3-4 are indeed space eaters and not the ones set up to rush the pasher as much as the "4".
Leonard Williams has consistently been a high-level run plugger. It's been his calling card. plugged. Pass rush has always been up in the air with him.
What's your point? You earlier suggested that the Giants don't have run stuffers on this team. They do. They have two of the best. Williams got paid because he is a superb run defender who also rushes the passer.
but happy with what I’ve read, especially Sy and some scouts who really like the kids competitiveness. We need some physical gamers on this team. I actually like Holmes but clearly this dude is a better prospect in terms of overall projection. Let’s turn this secondary into an elite one. If he’s better than Holmes in the slot, sign me up
I think the Giants just couldn’t believe he was in the board in the 3rd. At some point it’s about getting good football players. You can’t pass up talent like this.
you don’t draft for position. You draft for talent. Robinson had projections in the 2nd. If you read the interviews, it appears as if he was in play for the Giants at #50. He is a good CB. If Bradberrry or Jackson are injured, you are back at starting castoffs
Sorry to give up the fifth-rounder, but that’s just the fan in me speaking. The draft is fun, and more picks means more fun. By the time that pick comes around, they would have been throwing darts anyway, especially in this weird year.
As a bonus, Robinson will be a good roommate and carpool buddy for Toney, who likes to have an AR nearby for security. (I’m here all week, folks.)
Robinson is competitive and feisty, and he is use to playing
the nickel. Holmes did an okay job as a rookie, but he never
played the slot at UCLA, played on the outside primarily.
Nothing wrong with good competition is what I say.
Baldy, great stuff, he needs to find an electronic pointer
whether they are happy with Holmes or not. As mentioned above, the draft is about accumulating talent, building depth that can become starters- sometimes sooner rather than later. The better your depth at a position like CB, the more competitive you can be, even with some injuries. We've seen the Giants get killed at a single position due to injuries.
These are 3 guys who should help significantly. There will be serviceable OL available as cuts are made in the off-season. That's one way to shore up the depth.
whether they are happy with Holmes or not. As mentioned above, the draft is about accumulating talent, building depth that can become starters- sometimes sooner rather than later. The better your depth at a position like CB, the more competitive you can be, even with some injuries. We've seen the Giants get killed at a single position due to injuries.
These are 3 guys who should help significantly. There will be serviceable OL available as cuts are made in the off-season. That's one way to shore up the depth.
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They drafted Robinson, because they feel he is an upgrade
over a diminutive slot corner. As mentioned above,
Holmes did not play the slot at UCLA, played on the outside.
So to say it has nothing to do with Holmes is a bit foolhardy. Sure, it's also about competition and depth,
but it's mostly upgrading the position.
What's your point? You earlier suggested that the Giants don't have run stuffers on this team. They do. They have two of the best. Williams got paid because he is a superb run defender who also rushes the passer.
That’s a silly response and not what I said. I said this team is being built to stop the pass, and that the team identity is moving away from being an in the trenches team.
The Giants had two major departures, Zeitler and Tomlinson. The only additions to the lines were minimum salary types. They opted to not invest in the lines.
Take a look at where the Giants have spent their money and picks the last two years. This is easy to identify.
I just read this...I assume it is true but can’t vouch.
Eagles war room was very upset in round 3 when a guy was taken off the board just in front of them. Some thought it was McNeil, DT, but apparently it wasn’t McNeiil, it was our AARON ROBINSON!
*****The story up here is that it wasn't McNeill, it was Robinson, the CB from UCF. Eagles had a clear need at CB and the scouts loved Robinson. When the Eagles traded down, the Giants slid in and took Robinson at 71.*****
6. Aaron Robinson / Central Florida / 6’0-190
Grade: 79
Summary: Fifth year senior from Deerfield Beach, Florida. Began his career at Alabama in 2016 where he played in 13 games. Transferred to Central Florida in 2017 and redshirted. Two-year starter that earned 2nd Team All AAC honors in both 2019 and 2020. Robinson has the pro-caliber foot speed and burst that enables him to stay sticky to his man on all levels of the route tree. He can play the game with his feet rather than getting too grabby with his hands. Robinson has a lot of dog in him. He is always one of the toughest players on the field and he knows it. Even though he needs to control where he gets aggressive and where to gamble, he is the kind of player that elevates the energy of a defense. That doesn’t occur much from cornerbacks. His size may keep him at nickel but he can play both.
*There are some corners that elevate their game with swagger. They are constantly getting in fights, constantly running their mouth. I understand that isn’t an approach for everyone t get behind, but I personally love it. Much prefer that than guys on opposing teams laughing with each other all game and trading jerseys afterward. Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.
I forgot who, but one or two of the NFL Network guys had him going in the late first round. Possibly DJ or Bucky Brooks.
This dude is fast
Can play inside or out
Tough
My kind of cb
I forgot who, but one or two of the NFL Network guys had him going in the late first round. Possibly DJ or Bucky Brooks.
Sy write-up just above..Love his last sentence
I forgot who, but one or two of the NFL Network guys had him going in the late first round. Possibly DJ or Bucky Brooks.
*really good
my biggest hope with this draft was increasing team speed. Check, check, check so far. And they added 3 more picks for next year.
Robinson hates his opponent every week, and he plays like it. He also has really well-developed technique and footwork. Little gamble here, but I think he is starting in the league within a year or two.
Fifth rounder got from the Bears
The 5th we got from Chicago
This draft is going about how a lot said it would, more players going in slots not expected more than usual.
Our fifth round pick this year that we got from the Bears
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We needed another corner. Another solid pick by DG.
Here are the picks DG has used on CBs:
Baker: 2,4,5.
Beal: 3.
Robinson: 3.
Love: 4.
Holmes: 4.
Ballentine: 6.
Yiadom: 7
McKinney-----Peppers
Ryan
Love
That's a young yet deep secondary
Beal is a foregone conclusion. They already gave his number to someone else.
my biggest hope with this draft was increasing team speed. Check, check, check so far. And they added 3 more picks for next year.
6.88 3 cone
15x. Bench
Those are very good numbers
Yup. New day.
not even close bro
Fuck yes.
Holmes got several defensive holding penalties last year, a couple were killers that let opponents keep drives alive.
They can compete for the job, this is the NFL, no scholarships. CB is a need every year in the league now
Would have preferred an OL.
All that being said, I really think we need to add a good OG going into next year. Maybe we can trade one of our extra 4ths next year to get back into 3rd and nab Wyatt Davis.
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#71 NYG: Aaron Robinson - CB/Central Florida
Really aggressive cover man that could project both in the slot and outside. Quick twitched, fast feet, and physical. Robinson plays like he truly hates his opponent each week. Gamer.
The Giants added Adoree Jackson to James Bradberry, but they still needed one more cornerback. Aaron Robinson addresses that void, providing great value in the process. I've had Robinson in the first round of some of my updates, so I absolutely love this pick.
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“Best nickel defender in the draft,” one scout said. “He’s got everything you want. The thing that holds him back is the consistency of the instincts. Sometimes he gets sloppy.”
From Deerfield Beach, Fla., Robinson started 19 of 42 games for UCF, finishing with 109 tackles (7½ for loss), three picks and 21 PBUs.
“He’s got height and he runs well,” a second scout said. “He’s a little grabby and sort of duck-footed. I wouldn’t use the word awkward, though. He’s not super fluid, but he does have some explosion to him.”
Said a third scout: “They played him more as a slot in that off-ball safety position. He is tough as hell. He’s got short-area cover quickness and twitch. You don’t really want him on the outside covering, but as a slot-hybrid type of guy, he’s a really good player.”
In today's NFL your defense is only as good as your worst CB on the field.
4/3.5? 4 divided by 3.5 is 1.14, so that's definitely fast. I'd say a 1.14 40 might even be a record!
6.88 3 cone
15x. Bench
Those are very good numbers
Strong fast and aggressive. What's not to like? lol
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NFL network he ran a 4/3.5 40. That is real fast!
4/3.5? 4 divided by 3.5 is 1.14, so that's definitely fast. I'd say a 1.14 40 might even be a record!
Haha, a CB who could run a 1.14 40 miight have even gone ahead of Trevor Lawrence.
You really need to look at the WRs in our division.
I bet they'd love to cut Beal right here but they'll let him come to some of the offseason workouts. He's basically the guy at the end of the roster right now.
The draft isn’t over
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Robinson is a substantial upgrade.
LOL
Theres no cure for dumb thoughts...
Judge left for a bathroom break and DG f'ed it up.
Ha, GREAT find!
We already have enough of those.
Thanks for playing. Can I call you Wal?
We already have enough of those.
I think there’s a huge emphasis on coaching/development. Sale is a crucial hire.
After every game, look at the defensive snap counts. Guys not making the MNF video intros are outsnapping some of the guys that make that, they're in the secondary too.
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Trading up for a 4th CB is more like it Dave. Next pick should be a back up for our long snapper because injuries happen.
You really need to look at the WRs in our division.
and get a grip, maybe some deep breathing, valium and/or a puppy.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
disagree -- it is both
This, but DG gets credit too
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This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
Yeah it looks like we've finally joined the 21st century. Reason for optimism, finally.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
We already have enough of those.
Sy in his preview for what would today said he thought they’d go edge first and then possibly lb/defensive back and would hold off on ol, that the value wasn’t there...that was before a single pick was made. Mistakes are made when you force a pick at a position of need, so from that standpoint it seems the Giants did very well. Our second round pick was mocked several times to us as high as 11, our 3rd rounder was rated higher as a CB prospect by multiple sources than the guy Dallas took in round 2, and the Giants added another 2022 pick which are valued more than the picks in this draft because that draft will be much deeper. Hard to see how the Giants didn’t crush the draft for the second day in a row, I’m honestly stunned(in a good way).
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
I think Lawrence and Williams are better pass rushers than they are space eaters.
We agree! Yay!
This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
disagree -- it is both
Both is better but not realistic. You have a finite amount of resources, you will ultimately prioritized one or the other whether it's a conscious choice or not.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.
McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
Shelton is a non commitment in terms of resources. Leonard Williams was prioritized over the cheaper DT because of what he could do in the passing game. Dexter Lawrence was a decision made for the run but that was decision made 2 years ago and there may be a shift going on here. He's a great player though.
The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.
Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.
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Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.
Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.
I thought they spent more money on Williams than Jackson?
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Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton said hi.
The Giants replaced Tomlinson with basically a vet minimum player in Shelton. And then upgraded corner with a high priced UFA.
Listing the defensive lineman doesn’t change where the Giants are allocating their resources.
If you look at the 3 year resource spends DL and DB probably lead the way. Don't forget the LW trade + contract, in addition to Lawrence and BJ Hill. They've definitely put as much or more into DBs but part of that is twice as many DBs play every game as DL.
This is a solid run stopping defense that needed to add pass rushers
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.
McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
Never said they weren’t. But do you think Williams gets that massive deal if he’s not arguably the 2nd best pass rusher at his position in the NFL?
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Reason for optimism, finally.
We agree! Yay!
Lots of people seem to care what I think about the team. That doesn't go both ways.
Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
8-9 DB's play on Sundays which is generally 2 or 3 more than DL so it's not too surprising. More are carried on the roster so more need to be picked. Add to that that more of the DBs they have added haven't worked than the DL. Had Dexter Lawrence gotten arrested/suspended/cut or BJ Hill opted out due to C19 as Baker/Beal did they'd have had to use more resource in the last couple years.
What's not to like?
They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.
The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.
They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.
This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
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Reason for optimism, finally.
We agree! Yay!
Lots of people seem to care what I think about the team. That doesn't go both ways.
These 2 guys (whether you like them or hate them) are clearly not reaches. This is the first time in years that BBIers have not called any of our picks "reaches."
Even if you think, as I do, that we need offense here more than defense, Robinson ("Arob?") and Azeez have the talent to get on the field THIS season and help the team.
I prefer the choice of a talented defensive player than reaching for an offensive player. Get good players this year and improve the team. Regardless of whom we pick we're not going to the Super Bowl this year.
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
they've been orienting towards both since 2019 (with Lawrence and Baker). If you count Beal Gettleman has drafted DBs on day 1 or 2 in each draft. The secondary depth they are starting to amass is something to behold though. Bradberry, Peppers, and Ryan are impact players. Jackson if healthy could make a case to be the best of the 4.
McKinney, Love, Holmes, Yiadom, and now Robinson could form a legitimately playable full second unit.
Sure, I’m just saying the balance of investment in the last 2 years has been tilted toward the pass/coverage. Robinson, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry, Ryan and Galloday, Rudolph, Toney.
Maybe because they already have the guys on the team to stop the run?
They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.
The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.
They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.
This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
Again, who did they spend more on than Lwilliams?
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
I think Lawrence and Williams are better pass rushers than they are space eaters.
Lawerence is more of a run stuffer, Williams does both slightly better pass rusher, my 2 cents.
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Its almost like some people dont watch the Giants or something
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The Giants didn’t spend a premium resource to upgrade a single offensive or defensive line position. They let a good DL in Tomlinson go and they cut a serviceable OL in Zeitler.
They then went and signed a top band corner for the 2nd consecutive year, signed a top band WR, used their first pick on a WR.
The Giants could have easily chosen to roll the dice with Yiadom, but they didn’t. They could have rolled the dice with Holmes, but looks like they aren’t.
They went bottom of the market with Shelton, near bottom of the market with Solder.
This is easy — the moment Judge walked in the door, this is a pass, stop the pass, rush the passer team.
Again, who did they spend more on than Lwilliams?
They also spent on Martinez who is better vs. the run than the pass (many, myself included, preferred Corey Littleton and Joe Schobert because they were better in coverage).
Yeh we were at the bottom of a rebuild. This means that we were at a point where we had a wealth of resources. High draft picks, extra draft picks and a flushed out cap with future space cleared out. We're hitting that pick now in terms of spend. There's going to be space but a lot of it will be focused on extending internal guys instead of going outside. It was a time where you didn't need to prioritize.
My point is, now we're getting to spot where you're needing to prioritize. They appear to be prioritizing the pass with recent moves the last 2 years. The Leonard Williams contract is a big indicator, you could have had his run production at half the cost with DT but they paid that premium because of what he brings against the pass.
Again, do you think the Giants sniff Williams at the price if he’s a not a premium pass rusher?
I suspect you'll fade back into the woodwork after tomorrow. We'll all figure out how to survive from there.
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Lawrence can push the pocket for sure-- LW is mainly a DT who stops the run? He had 11.5 sacks last year. That's a lot considering most of the time the "3" in the 3-4 are indeed space eaters and not the ones set up to rush the pasher as much as the "4".
I think Graham's defense is all about asking guys to play a rather specific role and the role is based on what they personally do best. Changing up looks and packages and having specialty guys. That also strikes me as aligned w/ Judge's philosophy-- that "Do your job" Patriot-type of philosophy.
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This team is so clearly being built to throw the ball and stop the pass.
This is not a trenches, run and stop the run team.
They have 3 monsters on their DL who are meant to do just that. Shelton is a space eater who replaced Tomlinson. The DL is mainly all DTs who stop the run.
Lawrence can push the pocket for sure-- LW is mainly a DT who stops the run? He had 11.5 sacks last year. That's a lot considering most of the time the "3" in the 3-4 are indeed space eaters and not the ones set up to rush the pasher as much as the "4".
Leonard Williams has consistently been a high-level run plugger. It's been his calling card. plugged. Pass rush has always been up in the air with him.
Ok Robinson I see you! That was some good coverage against a player that people struggled to cover
day one starter - ( New Window )
Baldy could be the happiest man alive when he is reviewing good football players.
Both Robinson and Ojulari put people on the ground. Adoree Jackson can tackle too. It's a theme.
As a bonus, Robinson will be a good roommate and carpool buddy for Toney, who likes to have an AR nearby for security. (I’m here all week, folks.)
Nice find. Love the pick even more. Our secondary is going to be SICK, barring injury of course.
the nickel. Holmes did an okay job as a rookie, but he never
played the slot at UCLA, played on the outside primarily.
Nothing wrong with good competition is what I say.
These are 3 guys who should help significantly. There will be serviceable OL available as cuts are made in the off-season. That's one way to shore up the depth.
These are 3 guys who should help significantly. There will be serviceable OL available as cuts are made in the off-season. That's one way to shore up the depth.
They drafted Robinson, because they feel he is an upgrade
over a diminutive slot corner. As mentioned above,
Holmes did not play the slot at UCLA, played on the outside.
So to say it has nothing to do with Holmes is a bit foolhardy. Sure, it's also about competition and depth,
but it's mostly upgrading the position.
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That’s a silly response and not what I said. I said this team is being built to stop the pass, and that the team identity is moving away from being an in the trenches team.
The Giants had two major departures, Zeitler and Tomlinson. The only additions to the lines were minimum salary types. They opted to not invest in the lines.
Take a look at where the Giants have spent their money and picks the last two years. This is easy to identify.
Eagles war room was very upset in round 3 when a guy was taken off the board just in front of them. Some thought it was McNeil, DT, but apparently it wasn’t McNeiil, it was our AARON ROBINSON!
*****The story up here is that it wasn't McNeill, it was Robinson, the CB from UCF. Eagles had a clear need at CB and the scouts loved Robinson. When the Eagles traded down, the Giants slid in and took Robinson at 71.*****
Payback baby! I love it!