Starting a pearls clutching bitching thread about OL

tremendously.

quit whining

was a 5th round pick

In comment 15247436 UConn4523 said:

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quit whining

Not to pile on, but: Seriously. .

In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said:

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tremendously.

Wasting more draft capital on DBs with average speed is a waste of picks. How many picks have we used in DBs in the last 3 years and still have to get starters in FA? At some point, just have to accept you suck at drafting CBs.

and taken AVT? That was the chance.

In comment 15247447 GMen72 said:

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In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. Wasting more draft capital on DBs with average speed is a waste of picks. How many picks have we used in DBs in the last 3 years and still have to get starters in FA? At some point, just have to accept you suck at drafting CBs.

Maybe that's true, but fortunately the Giants used their draft capital on a guy with exemplary speed.

But Robinson is a good player.

Still, those who say not taking an OL the first two days is no better g deal will be in no position to complain if the QB is near the league lead in sacks and there are no holes open for Barkley for another season.

In comment 15247447 GMen72 said:

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In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. Wasting more draft capital on DBs with average speed is a waste of picks. How many picks have we used in DBs in the last 3 years and still have to get starters in FA? At some point, just have to accept you suck at drafting CBs.

If we had this mentality then couldn't the same be said for OL prior to last year's draft?

In comment 15247447 GMen72 said:

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In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. Wasting more draft capital on DBs with average speed is a waste of picks. How many picks have we used in DBs in the last 3 years and still have to get starters in FA? At some point, just have to accept you suck at drafting CBs.

He did not have average speed.

With someone they rated high. Remember, BPA and it’s a passing league with cb’s in the mix often. Great depth.

I hope I’m wrong but it sure feels like we’re looking at another year of Saquon getting stuffed at the line, Jones running for his life.

Nobody will be happier to eat his words than me if I’m wrong

In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said:

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tremendously.

No, it won’t.

Getting hurt

If there’s a higher value player at another position that’s where they’re going.

Now me? I go skill next round and draft and OL guy or two with our 6th round picks to just get them in a pipeline.

Db is becoming an area you should pick every year

In comment 15247466 GiantSteps said:

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I hope I’m wrong but it sure feels like we’re looking at another year of Saquon getting stuffed at the line, Jones running for his life. Nobody will be happier to eat his words than me if I’m wrong

Buy some salt and hot sauce.

In comment 15247471 Bill L said:

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If there’s a higher value player at another position that’s where they’re going. Now me? I go skill next round and draft and OL guy or two with our 6th round picks to just get them in a pipeline.

Ok Jerry Reese.

Giants feel good about their tackles Nate Solder is likely a backup, or until Peart takes the job.

We need a OG Hernandez is fighting for a job.

In comment 15247483 WillVAB said:

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In comment 15247471 Bill L said: Quote: If there’s a higher value player at another position that’s where they’re going. Now me? I go skill next round and draft and OL guy or two with our 6th round picks to just get them in a pipeline. Ok Jerry Reese.

Maybe, but I think the hole at RB is larger than that at OL

This is not a cooking thread but ok

In comment 15247460 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15247447 GMen72 said: Quote: In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. Wasting more draft capital on DBs with average speed is a waste of picks. How many picks have we used in DBs in the last 3 years and still have to get starters in FA? At some point, just have to accept you suck at drafting CBs. If we had this mentality then couldn't the same be said for OL prior to last year's draft?

You're catching on...Oline, WR, LB and ER (not that we really draft those), TE...lots of patterns. Maybe it's time for a new GM?

A 6-10 teams needs definite improvement. I don't see a homerun pick anywhere...just more of the same. At least the "one more year" BS ends this year.

In comment 15247495 GiantSteps said:

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This is not a cooking thread but ok

Just trying to help you out. Your words might be too bland for you.

We've been telling you guys for weeks that the team is not as concerned about the OL. They will address it, but they like the young players they have.

We live in a Madden Video Game world where fans don't understand that young players get better.

Sean O'Hara - undrafted
Rich Seubert - undrafted
David Diehl - 5th round
Kevin Boothe - 6th round

Kareem McKenzie - 3rd round - #79

Chris Snee - early 2nd round pick

Will Beatty - late 2nd round

David Baas - early 2nd round


2 Super Bowls with that group


I'm not really sweating it.

In comment 15247498 GMen72 said:

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In comment 15247460 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 15247447 GMen72 said: Quote: In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. Wasting more draft capital on DBs with average speed is a waste of picks. How many picks have we used in DBs in the last 3 years and still have to get starters in FA? At some point, just have to accept you suck at drafting CBs. If we had this mentality then couldn't the same be said for OL prior to last year's draft? You're catching on...Oline, WR, LB and ER (not that we really draft those), TE...lots of patterns. Maybe it's time for a new GM? A 6-10 teams needs definite improvement. I don't see a homerun pick anywhere...just more of the same. At least the "one more year" BS ends this year.

HAHA. You completely missed the point. You are getting annoyed that they didn't draft for the OL because "we suck at drafting DBs". We have sucked at drafting OL for years but that didn't stop us last year and thank god it didn't.

in rounds 2 and 3, and said the value wasn’t there for OL.

We all saw the reports we really liked Vera-Tucker in round 1, but just bc the draft didn’t fall that way doesn’t mean we should force a need pick

In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said:

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You won’t be able to use those weapons without a better O line.How many times do I have to go back to this past SB. Could KC use all those weapons??.
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If it makes you feel better, Gettleman just said they were eyeing two offensive linemen earlier in the draft, but they got picked before their selection.

In comment 15247511 Old Blue said:

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In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. You won’t be able to use those weapons without a better O line.How many times do I have to go back to this past SB. Could KC use all those weapons??. I

Using one outlier where their 2 best OL got hurt before the game like happened to KC in the Super Bowl doesn’t prove your point.

Am I the only one who thought the guys we drafted last year really started to gel the 2nd half of the season? We drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux and all 3 were coming together. And we have depth and starting solutions at the other interior spots. IMO the 3 picks so far were at bigger positions of need.

I know we are all conditioned to think our line is awful but it isn’t. It’s young and ascending.

I truly hope you’re right, but most of our o line picks over the past few years never showed that improvement you speak of. Yes, I’m optimistic about Sale and our overall coaching staff (mostly), but I think CB was deep enough for this year.
Can’t say I feel the same about our o line. I think Thomas and Gates will advance. Optimistic and hopeful for Peart. Hernandez is a ??? and has not advanced, and while I hope it works out for Lemieux...sure, ok. And who’s behind all those guys?

In comment 15247521 Danny Kanell said:

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Am I the only one who thought the guys we drafted last year really started to gel the 2nd half of the season? We drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux and all 3 were coming together. And we have depth and starting solutions at the other interior spots. IMO the 3 picks so far were at bigger positions of need. I know we are all conditioned to think our line is awful but it isn’t. It’s young and ascending.

It’s true. They are in the process of developing and improving. Plus, they invested tons in teachers to amp and accelerate that development. Every action they’ve taken suggests that, if a really good player was there they would take him, but otherwise they’re okay with what they have enough to stay with their board.

In comment 15247471 Bill L said:

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If there’s a higher value player at another position that’s where they’re going. Now me? I go skill next round and draft and OL guy or two with our 6th round picks to just get them in a pipeline.

Pipeline? You have a line that sucks, and you want to use 6th round picks to fix it? You must want another losing season.

In comment 15247515 Eric from BBI said:

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If it makes you feel better, Gettleman just said they were eyeing two offensive linemen earlier in the draft, but they got picked before their selection.

Eric- where are you seeing this? Not seeing it on Giants app.

Also, seeing all these compensatory picks has me really excited for ours in 2022. Can’t wait to see your calculations!!

In comment 15247527 GiantSteps said:

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I truly hope you’re right, but most of our o line picks over the past few years never showed that improvement you speak of. Yes, I’m optimistic about Sale and our overall coaching staff (mostly), but I think CB was deep enough for this year. Can’t say I feel the same about our o line. I think Thomas and Gates will advance. Optimistic and hopeful for Peart. Hernandez is a ??? and has not advanced, and while I hope it works out for Lemieux...sure, ok. And who’s behind all those guys?

So you want to draft more young offensive linemen who . you don't think will improve here? That doesn't make sense. You either believe in the coaches or you don't.

Nate Solder is the back-up tackle. Fulton, Lemieux, or Hernandez will be the back-up guard. Harrison is the back-up center. I have a depth chart. You can look at it.

They will add another OL in this draft at some point too. They will only activate 7 OL's at most on gameday.

In comment 15247532 Old Blue said:

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In comment 15247471 Bill L said: Quote: If there’s a higher value player at another position that’s where they’re going. Now me? I go skill next round and draft and OL guy or two with our 6th round picks to just get them in a pipeline. Pipeline? You have a line that sucks, and you want to use 6th round picks to fix it? You must want another losing season.

Even if we did nothing more after tonight, blocking will be greatly better than last year. And a lotof that will be because of the oline.

In comment 15247534 FranknWeezer said:

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In comment 15247515 Eric from BBI said: Quote: If it makes you feel better, Gettleman just said they were eyeing two offensive linemen earlier in the draft, but they got picked before their selection. Eric- where are you seeing this? Not seeing it on Giants app. Also, seeing all these compensatory picks has me really excited for ours in 2022. Can’t wait to see your calculations!!

Twitter. I'll have the transcripts up shortly.

In comment 15247517 mfsd said:

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In comment 15247511 Old Blue said: Quote: In comment 15247433 CMicks3110 said: Quote: tremendously. You won’t be able to use those weapons without a better O line.How many times do I have to go back to this past SB. Could KC use all those weapons??. I Using one outlier where their 2 best OL got hurt before the game like happened to KC in the Super Bowl doesn’t prove your point.

It doesn’t matter why KC’s line sucked in the SB, but the fact that it did injury, or not. The line sucked, and so did the team, and the Giants are nowhere the talant KC is.

In comment 15247503 Eric from BBI said:

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We've been telling you guys for weeks that the team is not as concerned about the OL. They will address it, but they like the young players they have. We live in a Madden Video Game world where fans don't understand that young players get better.

This can't be overstated.....esp with players like Thomas and Peart.

It's reasonable to expect both players to improve with experience/age, particularly in their second year.

In comment 15247515 Eric from BBI said:

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If it makes you feel better, Gettleman just said they were eyeing two offensive linemen earlier in the draft, but they got picked before their selection.

Look at your posts. Which is it? They like who they have or it was some bullshit value play?

This organization has been notoriously bad at scouting and drafting OL since Accorsi left. They’ve consistently overrated their guys (see Reese’s comments when they passed on Whitworth in FA and Ramcyk in the draft).

This current group is questionable at best and Gates/Hernandez are entering contract years. This is the time to add talent to the trenches and make it a strength.

In comment 15247537 Bill L said:

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In comment 15247532 Old Blue said: Quote: In comment 15247471 Bill L said: Quote: If there’s a higher value player at another position that’s where they’re going. Now me? I go skill next round and draft and OL guy or two with our 6th round picks to just get them in a pipeline. Pipeline? You have a line that sucks, and you want to use 6th round picks to fix it? You must want another losing season. Even if we did nothing more after tonight, blocking will be greatly better than last year. And a lotof that will be because of the oline.

HUMPTY Dumpty can’t be fixed.

But not sure I have faith in our starting guards or our depth if guys start getting hurt.
What I’m saying is we have had the option of taking OL with decent floors
and passed up on them. I’d say our trade backs in rd 1 and 2 were definitely worth it. No complaints there. But certainly Meinerz or Cleveland could’ve been taken to give Lemieux some competition in 3.
Maybe we get one of those guys tomorrow, but we’re pretty far from the top of the round, where I suspect they’ll go.

Hey it’s not like I *want* the line to stink up the joint.

In comment 15247488 NJBlueTuna said:

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Giants feel good about their tackles Nate Solder is likely a backup, or until Peart takes the job. We need a OG Hernandez is fighting for a job.

Peart was god awful the last time we saw him play. Now we're supposed to feel confident with him as a potential starting right tackle after taking a year off from football? I'm sorry but the Giants have not earned the benefit of the doubt regarding offensive line assessment the last decade

In comment 15247454 Sean said:

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and taken AVT? That was the chance.

...Slater?


Rather have the Bears trade though

Robert Hainsey
Ben Cleveland
Trey Smith
Deonte Brown
Quinn Meinerz
James Hudson
Stone Forsythe
Branden Jaimes

I would especially like one of the top 4 to be our pick in the 4th round. Draft isn't over yet.

In comment 15247547 WillVAB said:

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This current group is questionable at best and Gates/Hernandez are entering contract years. This is the time to add talent to the trenches and make it a strength.

I thought we had signed Gates to an extension...did that fall through? Or am I dreaming? lol

In comment 15247552 Ned In Atlanta said:

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In comment 15247488 NJBlueTuna said: Quote: Giants feel good about their tackles Nate Solder is likely a backup, or until Peart takes the job. We need a OG Hernandez is fighting for a job. Peart was god awful the last time we saw him play. Now we're supposed to feel confident with him as a potential starting right tackle after taking a year off from football? I'm sorry but the Giants have not earned the benefit of the doubt regarding offensive line assessment the last decade

*Solder, not Peart

In comment 15247547 WillVAB said:

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In comment 15247515 Eric from BBI said: Quote: If it makes you feel better, Gettleman just said they were eyeing two offensive linemen earlier in the draft, but they got picked before their selection. Look at your posts. Which is it? They like who they have or it was some bullshit value play? This organization has been notoriously bad at scouting and drafting OL since Accorsi left. They’ve consistently overrated their guys (see Reese’s comments when they passed on Whitworth in FA and Ramcyk in the draft). This current group is questionable at best and Gates/Hernandez are entering contract years. This is the time to add talent to the trenches and make it a strength.

Gates signed an extension and is under contract through 2022

is all I'm going to say.