Starting a pearls clutching bitching thread about OL

I don't know how much difference it will make in wins and losses for 2021; I don't expect all that much. But getting those picks in 2022...just a great job.

The Giants have only two players on the roster that pre-date 2018: Shepard and Engram. The 2018 and 2019 drafts, which had four first round picks including 2 in the top 6, are the bedrock of the roster.

I've been saying for about a year the rebuild hasn't really begun. Now maybe it has. I'm fine with the players they picked so far this weekend, but to me the major takeaway is the 2022 draft picks. Clearly there is a new approach in the building that aligns with the arrival of Judge - that's the reason for optimism.

But the 2nd and 3rd rounders were clearly based on the outstanding value those two players presented, which is exactly what you want from a nimble front office maximizing value. So I entirely approve of what’s happened so far.

I do want them to nab Smith in the 4th. Trade up if necessary.

did indeed match up with Liam Eichenberg at #42...

In comment 15247988 Go Terps said:

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The Giants have only two players on the roster that pre-date 2018: Shepard and Engram. The 2018 and 2019 drafts, which had four first round picks including 2 in the top 6, are the bedrock of the roster. I've been saying for about a year the rebuild hasn't really begun. Now maybe it has. I'm fine with the players they picked so far this weekend, but to me the major takeaway is the 2022 draft picks. Clearly there is a new approach in the building that aligns with the arrival of Judge - that's the reason for optimism.

It also aligns with the arrival of the coronavirus and anyone with vision would be looking at both drafts as one. It also aligns with a draft where you had a plethora of perceived quality QBs along with some QB desperate team.

Not discounting the Judge factor but it would be folly to discount a fortunate (maybe not in the case of COVID) confluence of events. But Petit did confirm what Gettleman has said several times, which is that they are not opposed and, indeed, have tried previously to trade down when appropriate value and circumstances aligned.

In comment 15247758 ryanmkeane said:

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either you’re not a fan of the Giants, or you think you are smarter than basically everyone who works in football, who have said the Giants are doing some really nice things this draft.

I like what they’ve done overall in the draft. The trades were excellent and the players selected have a ton of upside. That doesn’t mean no moves can be critiqued.

The Giants are trying to make a run at the division and see what they have in Jones. Hell even Barkley needs a decision relatively soon. That won’t happen until the OL is rock solid. Right now the OL is all hopes and dreams, not performance based. There isn’t enough NFL tape on these guys to know exactly how good or bad they really are.

All of these flashy off-season moves will be for nothing if the OL is still shitty in 21.

In comment 15247678 AcesUp said:

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I get it. But the optimism on how the young guys will progress is as ridiculous as the doomsday crowd. People have a reason to vent.

Nope!
Optimism, at any level is completely the right way to enjoy football.

Nothing wrong with your pessimism, but it is more accurate or somehow more appropriate than someone else's optimism.

...more appropriate

PTSD from what we've trotted out there in the past. If you look at the second half of the season, they run block above the median and pass block below the median. AKA competent.

This offense, much like Tennessee, is going to flow through the run game. Yes Tennessee puts up points because everything they do is based off the run game. Baltimore is like this as well. This is what the analytics nerds don't get. That if these teams aren't running the ball well, they can't do what they do in the passing game.

We have Saquon Barkley coming back, finally running behind a line that shows well in the run game, and that was the whole point of signing Booker! All these people had man crushes on Gallman last year, but his success was generated for him. Saquon has never had that. I mean our biggest win in years, on the road in Seattle, was because our OL dominated at point of attack and we played great defense. I for one can't wait to see this team in action.

that goes all the way back to college. I'm excited for what he's going to do, and I'm sure he's salivating. If his high school team sucked, there's a good chance he's never had this opportunity and I'm sure he knows it.

...Zeke!

In comment 15247506 Bricktop said:

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Sean O'Hara - undrafted Rich Seubert - undrafted David Diehl - 5th round Kevin Boothe - 6th round Kareem McKenzie - 3rd round - #79 Chris Snee - early 2nd round pick Will Beatty - late 2nd round David Baas - early 2nd round 2 Super Bowls with that group I'm not really sweating it.

You are not the QB.

In comment 15247506 Bricktop said:

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Sean O'Hara - undrafted Rich Seubert - undrafted David Diehl - 5th round Kevin Boothe - 6th round Kareem McKenzie - 3rd round - #79 Chris Snee - early 2nd round pick Will Beatty - late 2nd round David Baas - early 2nd round 2 Super Bowls with that group I'm not really sweating it.

You are not the QB.