pass along a little factoid...DG was upset because both Dickerson and Banks were both gone before their picks. They got cute and didn't take Banks at 42 expecting him to be there at 50. Don't be surprised if they look to acquire an interior lineman via trade. They know they can't start the season with these 2 guards.
C Trey Hill
G Deonte Brown
OT James Hudson
G Robert Jones
G/T Alaric Jackson
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end talent at IOL. I mean I could see banking on a first, as you probably should, but the odds are against you finding a second contract guy.
What is the downside to drafting an OL at some point? The line was awful last year and the one veteran they had was quickly picked up by the Ravens on a multi year deal (they seem to know oline talent). People who act like its ludicrous to be concerned about the o line as it stands confuse me
The line was awful in the first 4 games and than it got progressively better. It's very young and getting better. By end of year they were an above average run blocking unit and below average pass blocking unit. Competent. Do we need better talent at guard? Absolutely, but unless AVT was the guy in the first (which apparently he was) than what are the odds you are getting a plug and play guard. Why force a pick? We got Azeez in the 2nd and I know a lot of people haven't seen our cornerback play, but dude can play. The board is the board.
They won Super Bowls.
Chill guys. A mix of the high and the low can get you there.
oline is young let them grow and gel.
some of you are just way to high on your opinion.
(2) Fulton was a starter.
So you're batting 0-for-2.
Dangerous game to play when you’ve invested so much this off-season to see what you have in Jones and make a run at the division.
(2) Fulton was a starter.
So you're batting 0-for-2.
Gates wouldn’t be a starter on any other team, but looks good on the Giants, because everyone else isn’t.
Please list the other 31 starting centers and 62 starting guards and then tell me Gates is number 93.
Gates was an amazing story last year.
Dangerous game to play when you’ve invested so much this off-season to see what you have in Jones and make a run at the division.
Wrong again. Thomas played better down the stretch. Peart wasn't even expected to play 10 snaps as a rookie but played much more than that and looked the part. Lemieux was kicking ass at times, struggling at others, but demonstrated real progress.
It's as if some of you guys never watched the Giants in the 80's, 90's, 00's and saw how an OL develops.
Less 3rd and longs to T-off on DJ and more 3rd down conversions coming with the additions of Golladay, Toney and Saquon for defenses to handle.
On paper, this offense is light years ahead of where they were last year, especially after Saquon went down. I expect a massive leap forward in talent, speed and play-making, and I won't be surprised when the OL looks dominant considering what opposing defenses have to handle now.
Plus no OTAs, no preseason. Just thrown to the wolves. Had to switch OL coach halfway through the season too.
I don't think Hernandez "regressed" at all last year. He played at the same up-and-down level he has since he was drafted. Lemieux took his job. That said, Hernandez still has talent and actually may be better at right guard. They signed starter Fulton as insurance.
I want an OL too. But I wanted a WR, edge player, CB as well. I also want a RB and a DT.
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Gates is the only one to feel good about based on 2020 play. The rest are all questionable at best.
Dangerous game to play when you’ve invested so much this off-season to see what you have in Jones and make a run at the division.
Wrong again. Thomas played better down the stretch. Peart wasn't even expected to play 10 snaps as a rookie but played much more than that and looked the part. Lemieux was kicking ass at times, struggling at others, but demonstrated real progress.
It's as if some of you guys never watched the Giants in the 80's, 90's, 00's and saw how an OL develops.
Everything you just said qualifies as questionable — somewhere between good and bad.
We honestly don’t know what these guys are gonna be in 21. That’s the point.
Lemieux was a rookie.
You know who was terrible in pass protection as a rookie? Jumbo Elliott. Dave Diehl. Doug, William Roberts, etc.
Rookies have growing pains. Lemieux is still one of my steals of the draft.
Now, these same fans want to abandon ship after 1 SEASON with all of the guys above playing together for...wait a minute...1 SEASON.
In fact, even though Pugh was OK, you could argue that because he was a 1st round pick, it was even worse. He played more like a 3rd rounder.
Now, these same fans want to abandon ship after 1 SEASON with all of the guys above playing together for...wait a minute...1 SEASON.
It’s called hedging, not “abandoning ship.” They need talent to push at guard and tackle.
Besides, you can never have to much talent at one position right? That’s what Gettleman has been saying anyways.
Now, these same fans want to abandon ship after 1 SEASON with all of the guys above playing together for...wait a minute...1 SEASON.
There's 5 starters on that unit though and we were starting from zero. So I don't think it's outrageous to want to throw more competition on a unit where 5 guys see 100% of the snaps and we've drafted only four players over three years there, especially when Hernandez is in limbo on his last year. We're in this honeymoon phase with our second year guys where fans can't even fathom that they'll plateau or regress, which happens all the time.
Taking a very solid slot corner instead of a guard means nothing to me. These guys in rounds 3-5 are all projections. Any one of them could suck or be good.
Gettleman found Nick Gates after the draft in 2018.
That's what I believe as well.
The Giant's filled the need of a playmaker and a slot in Toney.
Next the Giant's get a Edge who some wanted in round one and ended up being there in the second round after another trade down.
Then round three they get a cover corner who plays mean and nasty.
Of course there are other needs. I would like an interior offensive and defensive lineman and a running back. I would rather pick the BPA going forward then reaching as some on here would prefer.
Eric, sometimes I don't know how you take this BS stated on here.
Hernandez had covid
That said, I love the trade down and the value we got for it... This is the type of move I have been screaming for us to do for years.
I am a little concerned about the concentration problems Toney had, and he really only did it for one season. His senior year was more productive than his first 3 combined. That said, its not a pick I am upset about.
Ojulari is steal if his knee is good.
I don't know anything about the 3rd round CB. but I didn't think the depth we had at CB was good, so it fills a need.
Overall, I feel good about this draft.
I'm not miserable. bw seemed like he liked the draft, so I don't think he is miserable. This horse hockey about some people not beaing able to be anything but miserable has to stop. You can pull that crap if people are down on the team and when they are winning and going deep in the playoffs. It's really a bad look to try and pull it off when your team is 18W and 46L over the past 4 years, and were 30-34 the 5 years prior. People are just tired of losing.
The Giant's filled the need of a playmaker and a slot in Toney.
Next the Giant's get a Edge who some wanted in round one and ended up being there in the second round after another trade down.
Then round three they get a cover corner who plays mean and nasty.
Of course there are other needs. I would like an interior offensive and defensive lineman and a running back. I would rather pick the BPA going forward then reaching as some on here would prefer.
Eric, sometimes I don't know how you take this BS stated on here.
Anything good that happens? They have had 4 losing seasons in a row, and now some on here think they have won the draft. Did they need another WR? Yes, but not as much as another O lineman.
Did they need a edge rusher? Yes, but not as much as they needed another O lineman.
Did they need another CB? Yes, but not as much as adding another O lineman.
They could use another player at every position on the team, but not as much as needing another O lineman.
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Just suck the life out of anything good that happens. The draft has been enjoyable to see DG finally trade back and pick up three picks for 2022 including a 1st round pick.
The Giant's filled the need of a playmaker and a slot in Toney.
Next the Giant's get a Edge who some wanted in round one and ended up being there in the second round after another trade down.
Then round three they get a cover corner who plays mean and nasty.
Of course there are other needs. I would like an interior offensive and defensive lineman and a running back. I would rather pick the BPA going forward then reaching as some on here would prefer.
Eric, sometimes I don't know how you take this BS stated on here.
Anything good that happens? They have had 4 losing seasons in a row, and now some on here think they have won the draft. Did they need another WR? Yes, but not as much as another O lineman.
Did they need a edge rusher? Yes, but not as much as they needed another O lineman.
Did they need another CB? Yes, but not as much as adding another O lineman.
They could use another player at every position on the team, but not as much as needing another O lineman.
What higher ranked OL did we bypass to choose who we did?
The Giant's filled the need of a playmaker and a slot in Toney.
Next the Giant's get a Edge who some wanted in round one and ended up being there in the second round after another trade down.
Then round three they get a cover corner who plays mean and nasty.
Of course there are other needs. I would like an interior offensive and defensive lineman and a running back. I would rather pick the BPA going forward then reaching as some on here would prefer.
Eric, sometimes I don't know how you take this BS stated on here.
Uconn,
Your post should be mandatory reading for everyone who logs in here both today and tomorrow. Well said, brother. In this we are one.
Again, we drafted OL in three straight seasons from 2013-2015 in the first and second rounds. We reached for all of them. And it backfired immensely.
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But some of you shout down anyone who says it still is. OT that there’s no need for replacements. Then after a couple hours f games, everyone’s back to saying how we need to fix the OL. It’s like Groundhog Day.
Again, we drafted OL in three straight seasons from 2013-2015 in the first and second rounds. We reached for all of them. And it backfired immensely.
So you’re saying we shouldn’t draft OL?
Throw in the revolving OLine coach situation and the GMen did pretty well advancing these players as much as they could. If you keep drafting OLs and you don't develop them you will always suck.
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But some of you shout down anyone who says it still is. OT that there’s no need for replacements. Then after a couple hours f games, everyone’s back to saying how we need to fix the OL. It’s like Groundhog Day.
Again, we drafted OL in three straight seasons from 2013-2015 in the first and second rounds. We reached for all of them. And it backfired immensely.
So you’re saying we shouldn’t draft OL?
No. Only that we shouldn’t reach to fill the position.
Haha, that’s me after a sack in the first drive each year. I don’t know what’s worse the sky is falling crowd or those shouting them down.
Look you can vent totally understandable or you can believe in the guys they got. They will keep adding pieces, they spent three picks last year on OL.
I love the draft we’ve had so far. Am I concerned about the O-line? Always, I would have preferred they took one last round, but I’m hopeful the Rookies will improve and gel.
He could have had a coach to keep Odell’s ass in check. He could have drafted a lineman instead of Barkley. Having said that I find a few comments on here pretty Amusing. While I agree it would be easier to develop talent on the online and that seems more likely than expecting Golden Tate to get younger; Gettleman has grossly miscalculated talent and the ability to develop them. I mean the defense from 2 seasons ago ; cost Eli his job. Not to mention Daniel jones. Also Saquon helpingnthe Oline? How?
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(1) Zeitler wasn't our best starter. Not even close. It was Gates.
(2) Fulton was a starter.
So you're batting 0-for-2.
Gates wouldn’t be a starter on any other team, but looks good on the Giants, because everyone else isn’t.
Still plenty of things to play out here with the line.
He's either doing his job or he's not it's not like he's getting more touches and so his stats are inflated.
Just because something sounds good when somebody else says it does not mean it's in anyway accurate.