pass along a little factoid...DG was upset because both Dickerson and Banks were both gone before their picks. They got cute and didn't take Banks at 42 expecting him to be there at 50. Don't be surprised if they look to acquire an interior lineman via trade. They know they can't start the season with these 2 guards.
We don’t need someone to compete with what we have, which isn’t much. We need replacements for what we have.
What is the downside to drafting an OL at some point? The line was awful last year and the one veteran they had was quickly picked up by the Ravens on a multi year deal (they seem to know oline talent). People who act like its ludicrous to be concerned about the o line as it stands confuse me
I find it amusing that people think drafting one online in the third round is going to"fix" an issue that doesn't exist.
Let the kids play and improve. This oline is going to surprise you this season.
I find it amusing that people think drafting one online in the third round is going to"fix" an issue that doesn't exist.
Let the kids play and improve. This oline is going to surprise you this season.
You must want a 5 year losing streak to want to play this O line as is.
The O line was the MOST important thing to fix, and instead has gotten worse.
You lost me at "they need a difference maker at guard."
WTF is a difference maker at guard?
They need competent offensive linemen. They have Solder as a back-up tackle, Harrison as a back-up center, and Fulton to keep at guard. These are all vets who have started in the NFL.
Lots of talent and high draft picks on the line. Need to gel and fill info their roles.
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We took 2 studs in the first 2 rounds, do u think passing on OK in a third round was a make or break? Team had holes all over and filled ass except the line. Which btw Gallman was humming behind to end the year
The O line was the MOST important thing to fix, and instead has gotten worse.
How has it gotten worse?
I think what we have here are a bunch of fans who were convinced the team would go OL on Day 1 or Day 2, and now have egg on their faces so they are lashing out.
Lemieux was a shot in the arm in the running game, needs some seasoning when it comes to assignments in the pass pro
Gates came on at the end of the year and was playing above average ball at the end of the year. Not bad for a guy who had never played center
Hernandez has the ability to be serviceable at the very least
Peart has all the tools needed and the staff is high on him
Solder, Fulton are veteran depth
3 more draft picks left, Trai Turner still available etc
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We took 2 studs in the first 2 rounds, do u think passing on OK in a third round was a make or break? Team had holes all over and filled ass except the line. Which btw Gallman was humming behind to end the year
The O line was the MOST important thing to fix, and instead has gotten worse.
You keep spouting nonsense with absolutely nothing to back it up.
Gotten worse, how? Explain it.
Second time I've asked. And be specific. For those of us not so well-ingrained with OL knowledge as yourself.
I can't wait.
Otherwise, we have nothing more than the simple emotions of a fan-boy.
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We took 2 studs in the first 2 rounds, do u think passing on OK in a third round was a make or break? Team had holes all over and filled ass except the line. Which btw Gallman was humming behind to end the year
The O line was the MOST important thing to fix, and instead has gotten worse.
How has it gotten worse?
I think what we have here are a bunch of fans who were convinced the team would go OL on Day 1 or Day 2, and now have egg on their faces so they are lashing out.
You can’t be serious. We cut our best offensive lineman, didn’t bring in a single starter, and you’re asking how we got worse?!
Lemieux was a shot in the arm in the running game, needs some seasoning when it comes to assignments in the pass pro
Gates came on at the end of the year and was playing above average ball at the end of the year. Not bad for a guy who had never played center
Hernandez has the ability to be serviceable at the very least
Peart has all the tools needed and the staff is high on him
Solder, Fulton are veteran depth
3 more draft picks left, Trai Turner still available etc
People keep saying that because Thomas was a #4 pick that it means he is good, and it doesn’t.
SL, and WH are nothing but backups, and Peart hasn’t done, or proven anything either.
I believe Gmen gave him the biggest signing bonus last year as a UDFA. I hear they are high on him too.
Fulton, Murphy, Lemieux, Hernandez.....we should be okay, I think
C Trey Hill
G Deonte Brown
OT James Hudson
G Robert Jones
G/T Alaric Jackson
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end talent at IOL. I mean I could see banking on a first, as you probably should, but the odds are against you finding a second contract guy.
What is the downside to drafting an OL at some point? The line was awful last year and the one veteran they had was quickly picked up by the Ravens on a multi year deal (they seem to know oline talent). People who act like its ludicrous to be concerned about the o line as it stands confuse me
The line was awful in the first 4 games and than it got progressively better. It's very young and getting better. By end of year they were an above average run blocking unit and below average pass blocking unit. Competent. Do we need better talent at guard? Absolutely, but unless AVT was the guy in the first (which apparently he was) than what are the odds you are getting a plug and play guard. Why force a pick? We got Azeez in the 2nd and I know a lot of people haven't seen our cornerback play, but dude can play. The board is the board.
They won Super Bowls.
Chill guys. A mix of the high and the low can get you there.
oline is young let them grow and gel.
some of you are just way to high on your opinion.
(2) Fulton was a starter.
So you're batting 0-for-2.
Dangerous game to play when you’ve invested so much this off-season to see what you have in Jones and make a run at the division.
(2) Fulton was a starter.
So you're batting 0-for-2.
Gates wouldn’t be a starter on any other team, but looks good on the Giants, because everyone else isn’t.
Please list the other 31 starting centers and 62 starting guards and then tell me Gates is number 93.
Gates was an amazing story last year.
Dangerous game to play when you’ve invested so much this off-season to see what you have in Jones and make a run at the division.
Wrong again. Thomas played better down the stretch. Peart wasn't even expected to play 10 snaps as a rookie but played much more than that and looked the part. Lemieux was kicking ass at times, struggling at others, but demonstrated real progress.
It's as if some of you guys never watched the Giants in the 80's, 90's, 00's and saw how an OL develops.
Less 3rd and longs to T-off on DJ and more 3rd down conversions coming with the additions of Golladay, Toney and Saquon for defenses to handle.
On paper, this offense is light years ahead of where they were last year, especially after Saquon went down. I expect a massive leap forward in talent, speed and play-making, and I won't be surprised when the OL looks dominant considering what opposing defenses have to handle now.
Plus no OTAs, no preseason. Just thrown to the wolves. Had to switch OL coach halfway through the season too.
I don't think Hernandez "regressed" at all last year. He played at the same up-and-down level he has since he was drafted. Lemieux took his job. That said, Hernandez still has talent and actually may be better at right guard. They signed starter Fulton as insurance.
I want an OL too. But I wanted a WR, edge player, CB as well. I also want a RB and a DT.
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Gates is the only one to feel good about based on 2020 play. The rest are all questionable at best.
Dangerous game to play when you’ve invested so much this off-season to see what you have in Jones and make a run at the division.
Wrong again. Thomas played better down the stretch. Peart wasn't even expected to play 10 snaps as a rookie but played much more than that and looked the part. Lemieux was kicking ass at times, struggling at others, but demonstrated real progress.
It's as if some of you guys never watched the Giants in the 80's, 90's, 00's and saw how an OL develops.
Everything you just said qualifies as questionable — somewhere between good and bad.
We honestly don’t know what these guys are gonna be in 21. That’s the point.
Lemieux was a rookie.
You know who was terrible in pass protection as a rookie? Jumbo Elliott. Dave Diehl. Doug, William Roberts, etc.
Rookies have growing pains. Lemieux is still one of my steals of the draft.
Now, these same fans want to abandon ship after 1 SEASON with all of the guys above playing together for...wait a minute...1 SEASON.
In fact, even though Pugh was OK, you could argue that because he was a 1st round pick, it was even worse. He played more like a 3rd rounder.
Now, these same fans want to abandon ship after 1 SEASON with all of the guys above playing together for...wait a minute...1 SEASON.
It’s called hedging, not “abandoning ship.” They need talent to push at guard and tackle.
Besides, you can never have to much talent at one position right? That’s what Gettleman has been saying anyways.
Now, these same fans want to abandon ship after 1 SEASON with all of the guys above playing together for...wait a minute...1 SEASON.
There's 5 starters on that unit though and we were starting from zero. So I don't think it's outrageous to want to throw more competition on a unit where 5 guys see 100% of the snaps and we've drafted only four players over three years there, especially when Hernandez is in limbo on his last year. We're in this honeymoon phase with our second year guys where fans can't even fathom that they'll plateau or regress, which happens all the time.
Taking a very solid slot corner instead of a guard means nothing to me. These guys in rounds 3-5 are all projections. Any one of them could suck or be good.
Gettleman found Nick Gates after the draft in 2018.
That's what I believe as well.