But I am not sure this deserved a call out thread from a site administrator. I have had my disagreements with Go Terps and Producer in particular, but I have kept it on the thread.
opportunistic flexible decisionmaking leads to a 3rd rounder for almost nothing, for dropping a few slots. We likely would have drafted Olujari anyway at 42 but if we didn’t there would have been a player rated about the same. It’s the opposite of locking down on a pick. Loved it.
But I am not sure this deserved a call out thread from a site administrator. I have had my disagreements with Go Terps and Producer in particular, but I have kept it on the thread.
A call out thread? Wtf? This is NOT a call out thread. Get thicker skin, Francis. FFS.
With these posters is just weird. The team has been terrible for how many years yet, yet the pessimistic posters who’ve been correct more get the most attention.
And I’m not one to easily give Dave props. The pieces are in place for a significant step forward this year. I hate to target one player but it’s all on Jones this year. If he plays well, anything less than a playoff berth should be looked upon as a disappointment. Should he not, Dave has an arsenal of picks which can be used to get his replacement next year if needed. We are in a good place for the first time in a very long time.
It’s not like people have been criticizing Getty and Jints Central for no reason. Trading back and surfing the draft with purpose and preparation is what we’ve been calling for and what we’ve been calling out when it hasn’t been done.
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
But I am not sure this deserved a call out thread from a site administrator. I have had my disagreements with Go Terps and Producer in particular, but I have kept it on the thread.
You’re probably right about GT, but bw has a really good sense of humor and I think he is not offended, but rather relishes, some fun back and forth.
It’s not like people have been criticizing Getty and Jints Central for no reason. Trading back and surfing the draft with purpose and preparation is what we’ve been calling for and what we’ve been calling out when it hasn’t been done.
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
The point is that these guys and a few others have been using the same shtick for DECADES now. Covid is a nothingburger compared to these downers!
sure I understand some of the reaction here. I'm simply pointing out that two "realists" have been at least somewhat positive. I'm not targeting anyone.
It’s not like people have been criticizing Getty and Jints Central for no reason. Trading back and surfing the draft with purpose and preparation is what we’ve been calling for and what we’ve been calling out when it hasn’t been done.
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
sure I understand some of the reaction here. I'm simply pointing out that two "realists" have been at least somewhat positive. I'm not targeting anyone.
Eric, maybe I just misinterpreted, but when you identify specific posters in thread title versus discussing self-proclaimed “realists” that was my issue.
sure I understand some of the reaction here. I'm simply pointing out that two "realists" have been at least somewhat positive. I'm not targeting anyone.
Don’t try to understand Eric. Your pt. Was very clear and accurate. Only the climate we live in makes it a topic.
It’s not like people have been criticizing Getty and Jints Central for no reason. Trading back and surfing the draft with purpose and preparation is what we’ve been calling for and what we’ve been calling out when it hasn’t been done.
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
Trading back is not always a good strategy. It depends on the offer and what the value of each pick is. This time the offers were good and made sense looking at the players that were available. In the past, that may not have been the case.
I recall him being mostly positive during the Eli/Coughlin era. He was correct in predicting how the Shockey/Burress/Beckham situations would all play out.
Trading back is not always a good strategy. It depends on the offer and what the value of each pick is. This time the offers were good and made sense looking at the players that were available. In the past, that may not have been the case.
Of course, you’re correct here that there is no one thing or way that is always good or always bad. But that wasn’t my point. More so, building from draft is necessary (who would argue this?) and that building from the draft is more likely to be successful with more picks rather than less. But the obvious three examples in contrast to this year’s draft are taking a RB with the overall 2 (there’s little question that more value could have been had here with a trade and Barks hasn’t done anything to counter this notion), reaching for Jones at the 6 (would someone else have taken him is far less interesting than would the Giants be any worse without him) and throwing away draft picks on LW who about to be an UFA (yes, Getty finally got his man but at what price?). And these are really the points that “some posters” have been hammering on Getty and G’aints Central for years.
Hey, for me? I like different points of view, especially on a football message board. So, I never had a problem with anyone posting a well reasoned idea. Especially when those ideas centered around doing things different to try and correct for all the losing seasons.
first round - maybe you like toney, maybe you don't. but they got a ton of extra picks out of it. one is a first next year in what should be a deep draft. and other one of those picks allowed them to trade up to get the CB.
second round - once again they got a premium pick for next year in a deep draft. and you can't argue the value of azeez
third round - most of us knew they needed another good corner to really take this defense from good to really good. you're only as good as your weakest link in the secondary and robinson is really good
do i wish they improved the offensive line more? yea. but they had real needs at these positions too. and they do have young players on the OL and a shit ton of premium picks next year to use to fix the line if these guys don't develop.
they were never going to fix every position this offseason, but they got a lot better and are moving in a modern, forward thinking way from the way they are structuring contracts to now accumulating draft picks. very optimistic long-term with where they are going
sure I understand some of the reaction here. I'm simply pointing out that two "realists" have been at least somewhat positive. I'm not targeting anyone.
Eric, maybe I just misinterpreted, but when you identify specific posters in thread title versus discussing self-proclaimed “realists” that was my issue.
Mike, you have no idea what you’re even bitching about... why don’t you go back to being a social justice warrior somewhere else... you sound like a bitch ass Eagles fan to me anyways haha!!! Go eat a bag of dicks and have seconds
The Giants spent a lot of money in free agency to keep Williams and add a 2nd corner and a #1 receiver. They also added useful NFL caliber players on one year contracts that upgraded the bottom of their roster before the draft. We can debate how much influence Judge had on those signings. I would imagine it was a collaborative effort lead by the GM and Personnel group with a lot of input by the coaching staff.
Then the Giants played high level chess with this draft. The GM had run seven drafts before this one. He has probably made over fifty total picks and had NEVER traded back in any round. This year the Giants trade back in the first round and the second round. A coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The only person that has changed in the Giants draft room in the past 16 months is the Head Coach. I know he was in the room last year too but he hadn't coached a game yet. If this is how the Giants operate going forward I don't care who the GM is or what the owners and their nephews do in player personnel.
They drafted three players who add skill sets that were missing from last years roster, that were not added in free agency and hopefully can contribute right away.
We all know scouting reports don't win games but not only did they draft three potentially valuable players in the first three rounds but they added three picks for next year including a #1 and a #3 and #4. Those picks have extra value because of the covid circumstances of the 2021/2022 draft and the Giants short term cap situation in 2022. Now they can potentially replace their one year contracts with young players on rookie contracts and not draft strictly for need or in a worst scenario they potentially have the chips to trade up for QB.
If you're a Giant fan and not excited today I think you will be soon. We will see how things play out but without hindsight, in the present moment, this is the smartest off season the Giants have had in at least a decade.
I think both bw and Terps are feeling good about the first 2 days.
The Giants have gotten good value with their 3 picks and loaded up for the 2022 draft.
But I am not sure this deserved a call out thread from a site administrator. I have had my disagreements with Go Terps and Producer in particular, but I have kept it on the thread.
Is it call-out though? I've seen some posters criticize or outright hate those two for their critiques, but I haven't seen Eric do that.
I am pretty pleased thus far. Yesterday was very positive with the acquisitions of Ojulari and Robinson. Both moves seemed well thought out.
Still not sure about Toney in terms of the value (and his off the field issues) but the talent is immense.
Hoping we can hook some more OLs today. Still feel that is a problem area...
You can’t fill 4 needs when you only make 3 picks
I get it.
It was interesting hearing Gettleman getting so explicit in last night's presser how they were going to pull the trigger with an OL, but the specific OL was taken right before they picked. And that may have been the case in each round...?
The Giants spent a lot of money in free agency to keep Williams and add a 2nd corner and a #1 receiver. They also added useful NFL caliber players on one year contracts that upgraded the bottom of their roster before the draft. We can debate how much influence Judge had on those signings. I would imagine it was a collaborative effort lead by the GM and Personnel group with a lot of input by the coaching staff.
Then the Giants played high level chess with this draft. The GM had run seven drafts before this one. He has probably made over fifty total picks and had NEVER traded back in any round. This year the Giants trade back in the first round and the second round. A coincidence? Highly unlikely.
I think it is coincidence. The last blue chip talent on our board was taken right before we picked, and in a deep QB class, someone wanted our spot. Sometimes the draft is about luck.
If you're a Giant fan and not excited today I think you will be soon. We will see how things play out but without hindsight, in the present moment, this is the smartest off season the Giants have had in at least a decade.
I think this is something that we all agree on which is crazy. We are set up really well for future, personally I think DJ is the goods, but it's no guarantee, and if he isn't we'll probably pick somewhere outside the top 10. This gives us plenty of ammo to trade up for our QB (as long as the number 1 spot doesn't want to go QB)
RE: RE: The positive effect Joe Judge has had on the Giants organization
DJ is the goods, but it's no guarantee, and if he isn't we'll probably pick somewhere outside the top 10. This gives us plenty of ammo to trade up for our QB (as long as the number 1 spot doesn't want to go QB)
2022 isn't a bumper crop for QBs right now.
Although I am a big fan of Sam Howell. Has been the real deal since he landed at UNC. Basically Baker Mayfield without the baggage.
RE: RE: RE: The positive effect Joe Judge has had on the Giants organization
DJ is the goods, but it's no guarantee, and if he isn't we'll probably pick somewhere outside the top 10. This gives us plenty of ammo to trade up for our QB (as long as the number 1 spot doesn't want to go QB)
2022 isn't a bumper crop for QBs right now.
Although I am a big fan of Sam Howell. Has been the real deal since he landed at UNC. Basically Baker Mayfield without the baggage.
If you have ammo to get to 1, it isn't about the QB class as a whole, it's about the top Qb. Way to early to tell there. Yeah there is no Lawrence, but if a Zac Wilson emerges, I'd be happy with that. It's all academic, this team is going to win 10 games this year imo.
After the Tryee helmet catch, “poor hands, had to use a piece of equipment, smh. Hope you’re happy Gints Central. Also, the OL was holding and Eli just chucked it up. Lucky not an INT throwing late over the middle. Will he ever progress?”
After Strahan lifted the Lombardi Trophy in the post game, “$tragan looking to get a gig on GMA I bet. We’ll never win a second championship with him on the team sucking up cap space.”
After the Manningham Catch, “Eli almost put that out of bounds, an athletic QB could have run for a first there. We need to draft a QB.”
After we drafted LT, “Reach. I’m going outside to ride my bike.”
After Armstrong walked on the moon, “Small step for A man, not for man. Choked it. Also, his steps are too bouncy for straight line speed. Hey, I need another bottle, I’m in a crib, I can’t get it myself. ‘Rents Central really not keeping up out there.”
After the Tryee helmet catch, “poor hands, had to use a piece of equipment, smh. Hope you’re happy Gints Central. Also, the OL was holding and Eli just chucked it up. Lucky not an INT throwing late over the middle. Will he ever progress?”
After Strahan lifted the Lombardi Trophy in the post game, “$tragan looking to get a gig on GMA I bet. We’ll never win a second championship with him on the team sucking up cap space.”
After the Manningham Catch, “Eli almost put that out of bounds, an athletic QB could have run for a first there. We need to draft a QB.”
After we drafted LT, “Reach. I’m going outside to ride my bike.”
After Armstrong walked on the moon, “Small step for A man, not for man. Choked it. Also, his steps are too bouncy for straight line speed. Hey, I need another bottle, I’m in a crib, I can’t get it myself. ‘Rents Central really not keeping up out there.”
*in that I really made them up
We know you made them up because as we all know BW was conveniently nowhere to be seen when we won those two Super Bowls.
Constructive pessimism will deliver us to the promised land. Delusional optimism will pave the path to hell with good intentions...
Respectfully, we’re all just fans. Neither position makes an iota of difference to promised land travel. The “realist” position is emotionally safer. If you’re right you can smugly say “I told you so” and we’re not going to be great often so you’re more apt to BE right. If you’re wrong you’re happy to be wrong because the consolation is Giants success.
I kid bw, but I’m good with a well reasoned pessimist view, which he usually brings. It’s good to consider alternatives. But the only ones that matter to getting to the promised land get paychecks from NYG.
Constructive pessimism will deliver us to the promised land. Delusional optimism will pave the path to hell with good intentions...
Respectfully, we’re all just fans. Neither position makes an iota of difference to promised land travel. The “realist” position is emotionally safer. If you’re right you can smugly say “I told you so” and we’re not going to be great often so you’re more apt to BE right. If you’re wrong you’re happy to be wrong because the consolation is Giants success.
I kid bw, but I’m good with a well reasoned pessimist view, which he usually brings. It’s good to consider alternatives. But the only ones that matter to getting to the promised land get paychecks from NYG.
Fair enough. But I am on this site because of years of "emotional frustration" as a fan following a sports team who consistently makes bad decisions. It is therapeutically helpful to find reasoned arguments to explain why that is so and whether current decisions will result in continued failure. If people are on here to win "I told you so" arguments, they need to seek additional therapeutic help.
And as to the only ones that matter, the people getting paychecks are already in the promised land - whether they win or lose is irrelevant. The suffering fans are the ones currently residing in hell. The only thing that matters to us is getting back to that promised land of following a team which effectively competes. It is a place where we fondly resided between 1981-2012.
To better clarify this for you, here's an example of what I mean.
So how did the Giants do in this year's NFL draft?
Delusional Optimist View:
A+++ Great trade, incredible players. Gettleman and Mara finally get it. Judge is a genius - In Judge We Trust! Playoffs this year. Tremendous draft capital next year. Will be the best draft since 1986! We will be Super Bowl Champions on 2/12/2023 in Glendale Arizona! Book your travel now...
Constructive Pessimist View:
B+ Passed over the best defensive player in the draft Micah Parsons because of character issues to take a trade down getting a sensible haul of 2022 draft picks. Reached for Kadarius Toney, a player with character issues, passing over better value players like Kwity Paye and Christian Darrisaw who were still available.
Made very smart trades and selections on second day drafting Ojulari and Robinson who will help turn a good defense into a great defense. Made four questionable picks on third day. Smith is a project when there were sensible immediate impact players available at OL and RB. Brightwell makes no sense as a draftee - would have easily been available as UDFA. And if not, we would be "stuck" now with good value high impact players like Chris Evans or Khalil Herbert... Williams is a sensible value pick, but did we need yet another cornerback? And if so, why him over a higher graded Kary Vincent? Hopeful that Judge knows what he is doing, but he has never been a head coach before and although the record improved in 2020, we were still one the worst teams in the NFL. The Vegas line did not budge after the draft and expectations that we will be a bottom tier NFL team in 2021 remain unchanged.
The draft haul next year may turn this draft into an "A" if the Giants make sensible choices next year the way they did on Friday night. But if Parsons becomes a perennial pro bowler, Toney busts, and the Giants make choices in next year's draft the way they did yesterday, this draft will be viewed as another in the long line of personnel failures. Time will tell.
For me, the pessimist view is simply the more enlightened perspective. It is not about emotional safety - it is managing expectations. If I am wrong, I will be celebrating with everyone else. If I am right, I will be doing other things with my time. I certainly won't be on this site saying "I told you so"!
sure I understand some of the reaction here. I'm simply pointing out that two "realists" have been at least somewhat positive. I'm not targeting anyone.
Realists? Debby Downers or eternal pessimists!
I've had my back and forths with both. Neither is unintelligent, but rather fairly sharp. Just a little to egotistical IMHO, or maybe overbearing is a better term, most especially on Jones. Both may turnout to be right on Jones, I just hope they are totally wrong.
So I share the enthusiasm.
A call out thread? Wtf? This is NOT a call out thread. Get thicker skin, Francis. FFS.
Four horsemen just when thundering across the yard. They looked PISSED!
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
You’re probably right about GT, but bw has a really good sense of humor and I think he is not offended, but rather relishes, some fun back and forth.
At least that’s been my experience.
Sprinkled in a number of threads.
Glad to actually talk football and the future and not worry so damn much about 2017.
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
The point is that these guys and a few others have been using the same shtick for DECADES now. Covid is a nothingburger compared to these downers!
Glad to actually talk football and the future and not worry so damn much about 2017.
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Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
Just an FYI, “Jints Central” is trademarked.
As is “$trahan”.
We don’t need legal problems here.
Eric, maybe I just misinterpreted, but when you identify specific posters in thread title versus discussing self-proclaimed “realists” that was my issue.
Don’t try to understand Eric. Your pt. Was very clear and accurate. Only the climate we live in makes it a topic.
Look at how Getty parlayed that “worthless” 5th round pick he just got from Chi town into a trade up. Even after Getty traded down from the 11 there were people here writing about how the late round picks in the deal were lottery tickets. In the hands of the right GM no draft pick is worthless or just some mere flyer of chance.
Getty and the Giants are fucking murdering this draft. And that’s terrific and they deserve all the credit they’re getting. But let’s please not pretend that past criticism of Getty and Jints Central was somehow unwarranted.
Trading back is not always a good strategy. It depends on the offer and what the value of each pick is. This time the offers were good and made sense looking at the players that were available. In the past, that may not have been the case.
Trading back is not always a good strategy. It depends on the offer and what the value of each pick is. This time the offers were good and made sense looking at the players that were available. In the past, that may not have been the case.
Of course, you’re correct here that there is no one thing or way that is always good or always bad. But that wasn’t my point. More so, building from draft is necessary (who would argue this?) and that building from the draft is more likely to be successful with more picks rather than less. But the obvious three examples in contrast to this year’s draft are taking a RB with the overall 2 (there’s little question that more value could have been had here with a trade and Barks hasn’t done anything to counter this notion), reaching for Jones at the 6 (would someone else have taken him is far less interesting than would the Giants be any worse without him) and throwing away draft picks on LW who about to be an UFA (yes, Getty finally got his man but at what price?). And these are really the points that “some posters” have been hammering on Getty and G’aints Central for years.
Hey, for me? I like different points of view, especially on a football message board. So, I never had a problem with anyone posting a well reasoned idea. Especially when those ideas centered around doing things different to try and correct for all the losing seasons.
second round - once again they got a premium pick for next year in a deep draft. and you can't argue the value of azeez
third round - most of us knew they needed another good corner to really take this defense from good to really good. you're only as good as your weakest link in the secondary and robinson is really good
do i wish they improved the offensive line more? yea. but they had real needs at these positions too. and they do have young players on the OL and a shit ton of premium picks next year to use to fix the line if these guys don't develop.
they were never going to fix every position this offseason, but they got a lot better and are moving in a modern, forward thinking way from the way they are structuring contracts to now accumulating draft picks. very optimistic long-term with where they are going
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sure I understand some of the reaction here. I'm simply pointing out that two "realists" have been at least somewhat positive. I'm not targeting anyone.
Eric, maybe I just misinterpreted, but when you identify specific posters in thread title versus discussing self-proclaimed “realists” that was my issue.
Mike, you have no idea what you’re even bitching about... why don’t you go back to being a social justice warrior somewhere else... you sound like a bitch ass Eagles fan to me anyways haha!!! Go eat a bag of dicks and have seconds
The Giants spent a lot of money in free agency to keep Williams and add a 2nd corner and a #1 receiver. They also added useful NFL caliber players on one year contracts that upgraded the bottom of their roster before the draft. We can debate how much influence Judge had on those signings. I would imagine it was a collaborative effort lead by the GM and Personnel group with a lot of input by the coaching staff.
Then the Giants played high level chess with this draft. The GM had run seven drafts before this one. He has probably made over fifty total picks and had NEVER traded back in any round. This year the Giants trade back in the first round and the second round. A coincidence? Highly unlikely.
The only person that has changed in the Giants draft room in the past 16 months is the Head Coach. I know he was in the room last year too but he hadn't coached a game yet. If this is how the Giants operate going forward I don't care who the GM is or what the owners and their nephews do in player personnel.
They drafted three players who add skill sets that were missing from last years roster, that were not added in free agency and hopefully can contribute right away.
We all know scouting reports don't win games but not only did they draft three potentially valuable players in the first three rounds but they added three picks for next year including a #1 and a #3 and #4. Those picks have extra value because of the covid circumstances of the 2021/2022 draft and the Giants short term cap situation in 2022. Now they can potentially replace their one year contracts with young players on rookie contracts and not draft strictly for need or in a worst scenario they potentially have the chips to trade up for QB.
If you're a Giant fan and not excited today I think you will be soon. We will see how things play out but without hindsight, in the present moment, this is the smartest off season the Giants have had in at least a decade.
The Giants have gotten good value with their 3 picks and loaded up for the 2022 draft.
Is it call-out though? I've seen some posters criticize or outright hate those two for their critiques, but I haven't seen Eric do that.
Still not sure about Toney in terms of the value (and his off the field issues) but the talent is immense.
Hoping we can hook some more OLs today. Still feel that is a problem area...
Still not sure about Toney in terms of the value (and his off the field issues) but the talent is immense.
Hoping we can hook some more OLs today. Still feel that is a problem area...
You can’t fill 4 needs when you only make 3 picks
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I am pretty pleased thus far. Yesterday was very positive with the acquisitions of Ojulari and Robinson. Both moves seemed well thought out.
Still not sure about Toney in terms of the value (and his off the field issues) but the talent is immense.
Hoping we can hook some more OLs today. Still feel that is a problem area...
You can’t fill 4 needs when you only make 3 picks
I get it.
It was interesting hearing Gettleman getting so explicit in last night's presser how they were going to pull the trigger with an OL, but the specific OL was taken right before they picked. And that may have been the case in each round...?
The Giants spent a lot of money in free agency to keep Williams and add a 2nd corner and a #1 receiver. They also added useful NFL caliber players on one year contracts that upgraded the bottom of their roster before the draft. We can debate how much influence Judge had on those signings. I would imagine it was a collaborative effort lead by the GM and Personnel group with a lot of input by the coaching staff.
Then the Giants played high level chess with this draft. The GM had run seven drafts before this one. He has probably made over fifty total picks and had NEVER traded back in any round. This year the Giants trade back in the first round and the second round. A coincidence? Highly unlikely.
I think it is coincidence. The last blue chip talent on our board was taken right before we picked, and in a deep QB class, someone wanted our spot. Sometimes the draft is about luck.
So I wouldn’t call it a call out -
If you're a Giant fan and not excited today I think you will be soon. We will see how things play out but without hindsight, in the present moment, this is the smartest off season the Giants have had in at least a decade.
I think this is something that we all agree on which is crazy. We are set up really well for future, personally I think DJ is the goods, but it's no guarantee, and if he isn't we'll probably pick somewhere outside the top 10. This gives us plenty of ammo to trade up for our QB (as long as the number 1 spot doesn't want to go QB)
2022 isn't a bumper crop for QBs right now.
Although I am a big fan of Sam Howell. Has been the real deal since he landed at UNC. Basically Baker Mayfield without the baggage.
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DJ is the goods, but it's no guarantee, and if he isn't we'll probably pick somewhere outside the top 10. This gives us plenty of ammo to trade up for our QB (as long as the number 1 spot doesn't want to go QB)
2022 isn't a bumper crop for QBs right now.
Although I am a big fan of Sam Howell. Has been the real deal since he landed at UNC. Basically Baker Mayfield without the baggage.
If you have ammo to get to 1, it isn't about the QB class as a whole, it's about the top Qb. Way to early to tell there. Yeah there is no Lawrence, but if a Zac Wilson emerges, I'd be happy with that. It's all academic, this team is going to win 10 games this year imo.
Yeah, I don't see where Eric is being nasty at all. I also don't think either Terps or BW would be offended by this.
No way to check?
So I wouldn’t call it a call out -
+1 ... while Terps and bw at times get stuck go overboard, their perspectives have produced many accurate outcomes.
After Strahan lifted the Lombardi Trophy in the post game, “$tragan looking to get a gig on GMA I bet. We’ll never win a second championship with him on the team sucking up cap space.”
After the Manningham Catch, “Eli almost put that out of bounds, an athletic QB could have run for a first there. We need to draft a QB.”
After we drafted LT, “Reach. I’m going outside to ride my bike.”
After Armstrong walked on the moon, “Small step for A man, not for man. Choked it. Also, his steps are too bouncy for straight line speed. Hey, I need another bottle, I’m in a crib, I can’t get it myself. ‘Rents Central really not keeping up out there.”
*in that I really made them up
After Strahan lifted the Lombardi Trophy in the post game, “$tragan looking to get a gig on GMA I bet. We’ll never win a second championship with him on the team sucking up cap space.”
After the Manningham Catch, “Eli almost put that out of bounds, an athletic QB could have run for a first there. We need to draft a QB.”
After we drafted LT, “Reach. I’m going outside to ride my bike.”
After Armstrong walked on the moon, “Small step for A man, not for man. Choked it. Also, his steps are too bouncy for straight line speed. Hey, I need another bottle, I’m in a crib, I can’t get it myself. ‘Rents Central really not keeping up out there.”
*in that I really made them up
We know you made them up because as we all know BW was conveniently nowhere to be seen when we won those two Super Bowls.
Respectfully, we’re all just fans. Neither position makes an iota of difference to promised land travel. The “realist” position is emotionally safer. If you’re right you can smugly say “I told you so” and we’re not going to be great often so you’re more apt to BE right. If you’re wrong you’re happy to be wrong because the consolation is Giants success.
I kid bw, but I’m good with a well reasoned pessimist view, which he usually brings. It’s good to consider alternatives. But the only ones that matter to getting to the promised land get paychecks from NYG.
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Constructive pessimism will deliver us to the promised land. Delusional optimism will pave the path to hell with good intentions...
Respectfully, we’re all just fans. Neither position makes an iota of difference to promised land travel. The “realist” position is emotionally safer. If you’re right you can smugly say “I told you so” and we’re not going to be great often so you’re more apt to BE right. If you’re wrong you’re happy to be wrong because the consolation is Giants success.
I kid bw, but I’m good with a well reasoned pessimist view, which he usually brings. It’s good to consider alternatives. But the only ones that matter to getting to the promised land get paychecks from NYG.
Fair enough. But I am on this site because of years of "emotional frustration" as a fan following a sports team who consistently makes bad decisions. It is therapeutically helpful to find reasoned arguments to explain why that is so and whether current decisions will result in continued failure. If people are on here to win "I told you so" arguments, they need to seek additional therapeutic help.
And as to the only ones that matter, the people getting paychecks are already in the promised land - whether they win or lose is irrelevant. The suffering fans are the ones currently residing in hell. The only thing that matters to us is getting back to that promised land of following a team which effectively competes. It is a place where we fondly resided between 1981-2012.
To better clarify this for you, here's an example of what I mean.
So how did the Giants do in this year's NFL draft?
Delusional Optimist View:
A+++ Great trade, incredible players. Gettleman and Mara finally get it. Judge is a genius - In Judge We Trust! Playoffs this year. Tremendous draft capital next year. Will be the best draft since 1986! We will be Super Bowl Champions on 2/12/2023 in Glendale Arizona! Book your travel now...
Constructive Pessimist View:
B+ Passed over the best defensive player in the draft Micah Parsons because of character issues to take a trade down getting a sensible haul of 2022 draft picks. Reached for Kadarius Toney, a player with character issues, passing over better value players like Kwity Paye and Christian Darrisaw who were still available.
Made very smart trades and selections on second day drafting Ojulari and Robinson who will help turn a good defense into a great defense. Made four questionable picks on third day. Smith is a project when there were sensible immediate impact players available at OL and RB. Brightwell makes no sense as a draftee - would have easily been available as UDFA. And if not, we would be "stuck" now with good value high impact players like Chris Evans or Khalil Herbert... Williams is a sensible value pick, but did we need yet another cornerback? And if so, why him over a higher graded Kary Vincent? Hopeful that Judge knows what he is doing, but he has never been a head coach before and although the record improved in 2020, we were still one the worst teams in the NFL. The Vegas line did not budge after the draft and expectations that we will be a bottom tier NFL team in 2021 remain unchanged.
The draft haul next year may turn this draft into an "A" if the Giants make sensible choices next year the way they did on Friday night. But if Parsons becomes a perennial pro bowler, Toney busts, and the Giants make choices in next year's draft the way they did yesterday, this draft will be viewed as another in the long line of personnel failures. Time will tell.
For me, the pessimist view is simply the more enlightened perspective. It is not about emotional safety - it is managing expectations. If I am wrong, I will be celebrating with everyone else. If I am right, I will be doing other things with my time. I certainly won't be on this site saying "I told you so"!
Realists? Debby Downers or eternal pessimists!
I've had my back and forths with both. Neither is unintelligent, but rather fairly sharp. Just a little to egotistical IMHO, or maybe overbearing is a better term, most especially on Jones. Both may turnout to be right on Jones, I just hope they are totally wrong.