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Grade the New York Giants 2021 NFL Draft

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2021 9:24 am
Chicago Bears 2022 1st Rounder
Miami Dolphins 2022 3rd Rounder
Chicago Bears 2022 4th Rounder

1st Round: WR Kadarius Toney
2nd Round: LB Azeez Ojulari
3rd Round: CB Aaron Robinson
4th Round: LB Elerson Smith
6th Round: RB Gary Brightwell
6th Round: CB Rodarius Williams


(Side Note: Interesting that the Giants have now drafted six linebackers and five defensive backs in the last two drafts).
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RE: RE: Here’s the thing with the OL:  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 6:25 pm : link
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I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.



More likely than you think. You seem to be drinking whatever look-aid the organization is serving up.

They have a high opinion of the current group. We’ll see if they’re right.

Well, as you suggest, it’s Schrödinger’s cat. So, there’s no difference at this point between being optimistic or being pessimistic other than the latter brings everyone else down around you.
A+  
trueblueinpw : 5/2/2021 6:27 pm : link
I like the players we drafted in terms of BPA, position value and position of need. I like the trade up to get the CB. Obviously we don’t know how they’ll play in the NFL but these all defensible and sensible picks. There aren’t any obvious blunders or reaches. I like the players.

But, getting a first round pick for next year and 3rd and 4th are huge for next years draft. I honestly don’t understand how anyone doesn’t love this draft. Great job Big Blue!
Provisional A  
GeofromNJ : 5/2/2021 7:01 pm : link
Provisional because I don't know how dominant Parsons is going to be vs. how many points Toney is going to generate. Talent wise, Parsons is elite (I don't think Ojulari is his equal), but character wise, Parsons may self destruct. If he doesn't, he will shut down an awful lot of offenses, including possibly ours. DG took Toney instead. I see Toney as an ideal slot receiver, but will he be impossible to cover? If so, he will generate tons of points and make passing up Parsons moot. Several evaluators think Robinson is 1st round talent. I hope they're right. I'm looking forward to seeing what Graham can do with Elerson Smith. With a bit more muscle, could he be our next JPP?
I'll give it a A-  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 7:26 pm : link
Only knock is no OL - not their fault the value wasn't there when they picked 2-7. And I'm sure they believe in the personnel already on the roster with the potential to make another move or two. The first three picks have the potential to be contributors from the jump. We haven't seen the Giants with a dynamic skill guy since Beckham and I think Toney is a game changer. Ojulari just screams winner to me. Robinson can play between the hashes and outside, big, physical, with some snarl. Three great picks for an already very young team. And I like Elerson Smith as a project. The needle is pointing up considerable for the first time in several years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 7:29 pm : link
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since it now has been 3 years?





Hasn’t the ‘18 draft been beaten to death around here? We get it. It was a massive fail.

You are such a miserable fuck. How do you even get out of bed each day? Holy shit. We can’t enjoy the moment. Nope. Let’s revisit 2018 to bring back the misery! Yay!



You’re right the draft was a massive fail, and that is a big reason why the Giants haven’t had a winning record in 5 years. As for the grade for this year I give them a INC for not addressing their biggest need the O line, and we won’t have to wait 3 years to see how that works out. That grade will come in 6 months from now.



He is also right in that you are an old miserable fuck.


Don't bother with Old Blue Balls. He's all yack and absolutely no Fucking substance.
RE: RE: RE: Here’s the thing with the OL:  
WillVAB : 5/2/2021 7:30 pm : link
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I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.



More likely than you think. You seem to be drinking whatever look-aid the organization is serving up.

They have a high opinion of the current group. We’ll see if they’re right.


Well, as you suggest, it’s Schrödinger’s cat. So, there’s no difference at this point between being optimistic or being pessimistic other than the latter brings everyone else down around you.


Not really, it’s not like all of these guys are complete unknowns. It comes to whether they’ll perform like they did (up and down) or worse, or if they’ll improve with experience. The organization believes the latter. We’ll see.
I give them a "B" ....  
Manny in CA : 5/2/2021 8:27 pm : link

What others think - nfl,com- A"; pff -"C"; Sporting News - "A-";Walter Football - "B"; Sports Illustrated - "B+"; NBC Sports - "B";CBS Sports - "B"

When they got screwed by the Cowpukes/Philly conspiracy, they were wise to take what the Bears gave them. Toney & Ojulri are good solid players and two #1s in 2022 is nothing to sneeze at.
A so far, but it’s only a midterm grade.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/2/2021 8:44 pm : link
So far, so good. The Giants turned this into a nine-pick draft, with three of the most important picks deferred until 2022.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 9:20 pm : link
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Hasn’t the ‘18 draft been beaten to death around here? We get it. It was a massive fail.

You are such a miserable fuck. How do you even get out of bed each day? Holy shit. We can’t enjoy the moment. Nope. Let’s revisit 2018 to bring back the misery! Yay!



You’re right the draft was a massive fail, and that is a big reason why the Giants haven’t had a winning record in 5 years. As for the grade for this year I give them a INC for not addressing their biggest need the O line, and we won’t have to wait 3 years to see how that works out. That grade will come in 6 months from now.



He is also right in that you are an old miserable fuck.



Don't bother with Old Blue Balls. He's all yack and absolutely no Fucking substance.


Thanks for all the kind words. Just don’t drink Blue Kool Ade seven days a week especially when things are bad such as a 4 year losing streak, and the team didn’t address their Biggest need the HUMPTY Dumpty O line.
RE: Don't forget that we have 3 veteran backups for the OL....  
Klaatu : 5/2/2021 9:25 pm : link
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Harrison, Fulton, and Solder. Those 3 represent outstanding options in case of injury or bad play. I can't think of another team that has backups as seasoned as we do.


I can't think of a team that might need them as much as we might.

Ha! I kill me.
The problem is that people says these things with such certainty  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 9:31 pm : link
That there’s no room left for rational (thought?) discussion.

Probably the only situation ever where there’s an absolute insistence that there is no capacity or possibility for growth.
B+  
Vanzetti : 5/2/2021 9:37 pm : link
I like all the extra picks next year but when you are picking
11 I think you need a better haul than the guys they got.

But it is also a boom/bust draft. Their first four
Picks are all guys with high ceilings but also
Potentially low floors

I'm exited about the new players and excited about the '22 picks  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2021 10:23 pm : link
Toney is another weapon on offense/specials. As good of a weapon as could be expected once Chase/Smith/Waddle/Pitts went top 10.

Robinson and Ojulari fill needed roles on defense.

The rest who knows but it only takes 2 players working out to make a good draft.
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christian : 5/2/2021 11:40 pm : link
The Giants maneuvered the draft with professionalism. That’s an accomplishment.

They landed 3 players with legitimate expectations to be NFL starters, and gained an additional first round pick.

Grade the draft after next years 1st round.
The trades - A  
adamg : 5/3/2021 2:50 am : link
The picks - B
No grade but they turned a big disappointment into a positive  
Rick in Dallas : 5/3/2021 6:33 am : link
DG and Judge did not panic after the BS Cowboys/Eagles trade and made an awesome trade down to pick up extra 2022 picks and still get an offensive playmaker at number 20.
My only questionable move is not fortifying the OL in the draft.I know...I heard DG's comments about the OL but it still remains the biggest question mark going into the season.
I like the players we got through the first 4 rounds I thought we got great value with those picks.
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Have to give this draft a B  
lecky : 5/3/2021 8:18 am : link
Will Toney be as good as Devonta Smith? Will Azeez be as good as Micah Parsons? If they are then this draft is priceless considering we go into next years draft with so many options. Not sure why all the complaining about not addressing the O Line. Pretty sure if management thought they could improve on what they have now they would have. They definitely needed a WR and a pass rusher. They have taken O Lineman early, in the past, that just sucked.
RE: RE: So we get your ol guy next year. It’s a process.  
lecky : 5/3/2021 8:24 am : link
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.



The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.


I kind of remember we did draft a bunch of guys last year, including our top pick for the O Line. So it has not been years. We traded for Zeitler a few years ago. We have 2 starters at Guard that rotated and maybe one can move over to the right side. Our LT is the 4th pick from last year. Gates seemed to have come along nicely as a center. And they signed a few backups. If they can work out RT dont you think they will be good?
RE: Have to give this draft a B  
Bill L : 5/3/2021 8:25 am : link
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Will Toney be as good as Devonta Smith? Will Azeez be as good as Micah Parsons? If they are then this draft is priceless considering we go into next years draft with so many options. Not sure why all the complaining about not addressing the O Line. Pretty sure if management thought they could improve on what they have now they would have. They definitely needed a WR and a pass rusher. They have taken O Lineman early, in the past, that just sucked.
Not sure I like this take. There is no way that they would have been able to pick *both* Smith and Parson. So, if Toney is not equal to Smith, in your example, we still have Ojulari and the Eagles don't. Conversely, if Ojulari is not as good as Parsons, we still have Toney and the Cowboys don't.
RE: RE: RE: So we get your ol guy next year. It’s a process.  
Old Blue : 5/3/2021 8:58 am : link
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.



The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.



I kind of remember we did draft a bunch of guys last year, including our top pick for the O Line. So it has not been years. We traded for Zeitler a few years ago. We have 2 starters at Guard that rotated and maybe one can move over to the right side. Our LT is the 4th pick from last year. Gates seemed to have come along nicely as a center. And they signed a few backups. If they can work out RT dont you think they will be good?


Do you call the O line as is as being fixed? Just because they drafted a bunch of guys, and that is what they are a bunch of guys last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything, and just because they drafted our LT with the 4th pick doesn’t mean anything either. Some had him rated 4th out of the top 4 tackles last year, so just because he was drafted 4th doesn’t mean he will be that good. They had to trade for Zeitler, and sign the over priced Solder, because they had whiffed on Flowers, so yes the O line hasn’t been fixed in years. They have 2 starters at guard that are nothing but backups on other teams, so no the O line isn’t fixed.
Dane Bruler of The Athletic  
US1 Giants : 5/3/2021 9:03 am : link
ranked the drafts of the team 1-32 today

1 - Eagles
15 - WFT
18 - Giants
24 - Cowboys

These rankings did not consider future draft picks acquired in trade.
RE: Dane Bruler of The Athletic  
US1 Giants : 5/3/2021 9:05 am : link
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ranked the drafts of the team 1-32 today

1 - Eagles
15 - WFT
18 - Giants
24 - Cowboys

These rankings did not consider future draft picks acquired in trade.


Dane Brugler
A  
PaulN : 5/3/2021 9:24 am : link
Because of the added capital in next year's draft. The picks, you never know, grading the picks is ridiculous before they play. Grade it in 3 years. With information.
RE: A  
Old Blue : 5/3/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15251182 PaulN said:
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Because of the added capital in next year's draft. The picks, you never know, grading the picks is ridiculous before they play. Grade it in 3 years. With information.


That’s why 2018 should be graded this year.
B+  
Pete44 : 5/3/2021 9:51 am : link
While all drafts should be considered TBD, for the purpose of this exercise. I would give the Giants a B+ and probably Gettleman's best in his tenure.

He was prepared for a trade down and an excellent trade down after missing on Devonta Smith. The Bears pick could be a good one depending on how things break. It will be fun to follow them.

Toney - My Florida connections say this guy is just scratching the surface of what he can be, so I am more optimistic then when I heard the pick. It seems the Jags wanted him.

Ojulari - I was shocked they got him after a trade down and until I heard his name, thought we would get a Gettleman reach.

Robinson - can't have enough corners and seems like they really wanted another

Smith - seems like a Reese type pick but why can't he be the next pass rushing steal in the NFL

Brightwell - Gettleman could not resist a running back

R Williams - seems like he might be something intriguing as more cornerback depth

My only complaint was not addressing the offensive line at all, but all in and all a good feeling after this draft and complete off-season that this team should be very competitive next season with excellent draft capital for 2022.

Of course, the key to next season is from the 2019 draft and Daniel Jones, I'm still torn on how good he can be, but we will get a better feel next season.
Pretty good draft. Not the playmaking WR they wanted  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2021 9:55 am : link
which was disappointing, but grabbing that extra #1 next year is a damn fine consolation prize.

Like the developing edge talent (finally) but how do you not come away with an Interior Olineman somewhere? Shows the faith they have in that current OL unit, but that seems an unnecessary risk.

And grades are for shmoes...
I'll get back to you  
Carson53 : 5/3/2021 9:58 am : link
in a couple years on this one, I let it marinate for a while.
I thought they did a great job of playing the cards they were dealt.  
Heisenberg : 5/3/2021 10:27 am : link
They wanted one of the Bama WRs and when that didn't happen, they did a good job getting value by moving back.

Now, if Jones is the guy, the team is stacked with picks to keep adding impact players around him.

If he's not the guy, the team is stacked with picks to get another potential franchise QB.

This team is as well set up as it's been in a long time. Gettleman and Judge have had an excellent offseason.

We go as far as Danny Dimes takes us.
RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
Reale01 : 5/3/2021 11:12 am : link
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Okay. Let’s play. DG’s first year. He didn’t have time to reset the scouting department which was still working under McAdoo Reese’s guidelines. 4 players still on the roster in 6 picks. He got a star RB which proved out in Year 1. He got a starting guard who almost certainly will remain on the roster in 2021. He got a starting Edge-LB, and he got a DL who has been and will be the first player off the bench. And a UDFA O-lineman who can play anywhere along the line and is the starting center.

There was no crystal ball that could predict that Barkley can’t stay on the field. Hernandez may have been a reach. No flaws with Carter except a rare injury.


Also we did NOT pick Darnold. We did NOT pick Rosen. They were very much in the discussion at #2 - moreso than Allen. Dodged two BIG FAT EXPLOSIVE bullets. Trade back and pick Allen may have been the best move in hindsight - but what they did was not too bad.
B+  
cokeduplt : 5/3/2021 11:22 am : link
It would be an A but not picking Oline at all drops it a bit for me. Very happy with the draft though.
RE: A-  
cokeduplt : 5/3/2021 11:25 am : link
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the trade haul was impressive and people seem happy with the players. Would have been A+ if Sy56 had Toney higher. 14 was a shock to me.


I respect SY but you guys have to stop taking his grades as gospel. Daniel Jermiah and Dane Brugler had TONEY ranked in the 20s overall. So it’s not really a reach.
RE: RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2021 11:25 am : link
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Also we did NOT pick Darnold. We did NOT pick Rosen. They were very much in the discussion at #2 - moreso than Allen. Dodged two BIG FAT EXPLOSIVE bullets. Trade back and pick Allen may have been the best move in hindsight - but what they did was not too bad.


That's what you want to hear from a desperate team in need of a rebuilding and sitting with the overall #2 pick.

"Eh, we didn't do too bad...".
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Reale01 : 5/3/2021 12:04 pm : link
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Also we did NOT pick Darnold. We did NOT pick Rosen. They were very much in the discussion at #2 - moreso than Allen. Dodged two BIG FAT EXPLOSIVE bullets. Trade back and pick Allen may have been the best move in hindsight - but what they did was not too bad.



That's what you want to hear from a desperate team in need of a rebuilding and sitting with the overall #2 pick.

"Eh, we didn't do too bad...".



So who did YOU want? Darnold? Trade down and pick Nelson? Was that even an option? Barkley, Hernandez, and Carter were considered good picks at the time. Carter was showing improvement before he got hurt. Certainly a strating calibar player. Hernandez did start right away and is certainly not a bust. People talk like that draft was a complete disaster - injuries can have a big impact. Personally - I wanted to trade down at the time, but I can;t say that draft was a disaster that some think. In fact, it could still turn out to be very good.
Not sure I'll get an answer this late in this thread  
Dinger : 5/3/2021 12:19 pm : link
But is there someplace to see what our draft positions/picks were going into the draft and the moves made during. I know they gained a 5th and traded that 5th to move up in the 3rd but did they always have 2 6ths?

As to the grading I give them an A for the way it was handled (moving down and aquiring picks when theirs wasn't there) and a B for talent picked. After the last so many years of poor OL picks and then boasting about hog mollies, to not pick an OL at all in the draft seems to make that talk BS. i understand they 'feel better about the OL than we do', but they lost a veteran guard and brought in a worse veteran and swapped out swing tackles. If the O struggles this year it'll be because of the line and/or injuries. The later we can't do anything about. The former we didn't upgrade at all.
Going to let thread stay on point.  
Jimmy Googs : 5/3/2021 12:20 pm : link
Happy to discuss it yet again somewhere else if you like...
A  
DavidinBMNY : 5/3/2021 12:32 pm : link
Favorite Giants draft in a really long time. Using the draft to strengthen the team for both this year and next, I've never seen them do that at scale.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So we get your ol guy next year. It’s a process.  
lecky : 5/3/2021 12:57 pm : link
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.



The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.



I kind of remember we did draft a bunch of guys last year, including our top pick for the O Line. So it has not been years. We traded for Zeitler a few years ago. We have 2 starters at Guard that rotated and maybe one can move over to the right side. Our LT is the 4th pick from last year. Gates seemed to have come along nicely as a center. And they signed a few backups. If they can work out RT dont you think they will be good?



Do you call the O line as is as being fixed? Just because they drafted a bunch of guys, and that is what they are a bunch of guys last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything, and just because they drafted our LT with the 4th pick doesn’t mean anything either. Some had him rated 4th out of the top 4 tackles last year, so just because he was drafted 4th doesn’t mean he will be that good. They had to trade for Zeitler, and sign the over priced Solder, because they had whiffed on Flowers, so yes the O line hasn’t been fixed in years. They have 2 starters at guard that are nothing but backups on other teams, so no the O line isn’t fixed.


So drafting O Lineman is not the way to go but drafting O Lineman in this draft would have fixed the O Line? Not sure what your point is? There is certainly no sure thing in the draft as the Giants know better than anyone. Lets hope their faith in the players they have works out for them.
RE: RE: Have to give this draft a B  
lecky : 5/3/2021 12:59 pm : link
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Will Toney be as good as Devonta Smith? Will Azeez be as good as Micah Parsons? If they are then this draft is priceless considering we go into next years draft with so many options. Not sure why all the complaining about not addressing the O Line. Pretty sure if management thought they could improve on what they have now they would have. They definitely needed a WR and a pass rusher. They have taken O Lineman early, in the past, that just sucked.

Not sure I like this take. There is no way that they would have been able to pick *both* Smith and Parson. So, if Toney is not equal to Smith, in your example, we still have Ojulari and the Eagles don't. Conversely, if Ojulari is not as good as Parsons, we still have Toney and the Cowboys don't.


Actually my point was never getting Smith and Parsons. Of course they couldnt have gotten both. But if Toney and Azeez compare to those 2, and the picks we get next year, how incredible would this draft have been for the Giants.
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Old Blue : 5/3/2021 1:06 pm : link
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.



The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.



I kind of remember we did draft a bunch of guys last year, including our top pick for the O Line. So it has not been years. We traded for Zeitler a few years ago. We have 2 starters at Guard that rotated and maybe one can move over to the right side. Our LT is the 4th pick from last year. Gates seemed to have come along nicely as a center. And they signed a few backups. If they can work out RT dont you think they will be good?



Do you call the O line as is as being fixed? Just because they drafted a bunch of guys, and that is what they are a bunch of guys last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything, and just because they drafted our LT with the 4th pick doesn’t mean anything either. Some had him rated 4th out of the top 4 tackles last year, so just because he was drafted 4th doesn’t mean he will be that good. They had to trade for Zeitler, and sign the over priced Solder, because they had whiffed on Flowers, so yes the O line hasn’t been fixed in years. They have 2 starters at guard that are nothing but backups on other teams, so no the O line isn’t fixed.



So drafting O Lineman is not the way to go but drafting O Lineman in this draft would have fixed the O Line? Not sure what your point is? There is certainly no sure thing in the draft as the Giants know better than anyone. Lets hope their faith in the players they have works out for them.


Drafting O linemen is 1 way to go, but you have to pick the right ones to fix something, and just because they drafted some last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything. Thomas might not have been the best pick at #4, so you might have to keep drafting until you get it right. Solder was a big money mistake at FA, but that doesn’t mean you don’t sign anyone again. You do it until you get it right.
Im giving the Giants a B++  
HumbleGiant : 5/3/2021 1:25 pm : link
I liked their picks and I know they tried to address the OL, however they didn't. I understand that they just didn't have enough picks. But, that's the reason I'm not giving them an A+. I like the picks, love what they did for next year. This year, however for whatever reason they didn't draft an OL and to me it was more of a need than another CB.
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Bill L : 5/3/2021 2:02 pm : link
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.



The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.



I kind of remember we did draft a bunch of guys last year, including our top pick for the O Line. So it has not been years. We traded for Zeitler a few years ago. We have 2 starters at Guard that rotated and maybe one can move over to the right side. Our LT is the 4th pick from last year. Gates seemed to have come along nicely as a center. And they signed a few backups. If they can work out RT dont you think they will be good?



Do you call the O line as is as being fixed? Just because they drafted a bunch of guys, and that is what they are a bunch of guys last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything, and just because they drafted our LT with the 4th pick doesn’t mean anything either. Some had him rated 4th out of the top 4 tackles last year, so just because he was drafted 4th doesn’t mean he will be that good. They had to trade for Zeitler, and sign the over priced Solder, because they had whiffed on Flowers, so yes the O line hasn’t been fixed in years. They have 2 starters at guard that are nothing but backups on other teams, so no the O line isn’t fixed.



So drafting O Lineman is not the way to go but drafting O Lineman in this draft would have fixed the O Line? Not sure what your point is? There is certainly no sure thing in the draft as the Giants know better than anyone. Lets hope their faith in the players they have works out for them.



Drafting O linemen is 1 way to go, but you have to pick the right ones to fix something, and just because they drafted some last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything. Thomas might not have been the best pick at #4, so you might have to keep drafting until you get it right. Solder was a big money mistake at FA, but that doesn’t mean you don’t sign anyone again. You do it until you get it right.


Rookies seldom walk in an begin playing like All-pros. Especially for something like OL where even new veterans need time to gel with each other. If you never ever give anyone the time to learn, develop, improve, you will continuously be churning people and wasting valuable resource. What you seem to be saying is that you want to have 7 OL picks in each draft in every year. That's not a productive way to build a team.
parsons vs toney  
Platos : 5/3/2021 2:10 pm : link
is parsons that much more a talent at ILB than Toney at WR in todays NFL and based on our deficiencies on offense?

would KC be as good as they are if they added a stud ILB but took away tyreek hill? idk
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So we get your ol guy next year. It’s a process.  
Old Blue : 5/3/2021 3:00 pm : link
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.



The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.



I kind of remember we did draft a bunch of guys last year, including our top pick for the O Line. So it has not been years. We traded for Zeitler a few years ago. We have 2 starters at Guard that rotated and maybe one can move over to the right side. Our LT is the 4th pick from last year. Gates seemed to have come along nicely as a center. And they signed a few backups. If they can work out RT dont you think they will be good?



Do you call the O line as is as being fixed? Just because they drafted a bunch of guys, and that is what they are a bunch of guys last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything, and just because they drafted our LT with the 4th pick doesn’t mean anything either. Some had him rated 4th out of the top 4 tackles last year, so just because he was drafted 4th doesn’t mean he will be that good. They had to trade for Zeitler, and sign the over priced Solder, because they had whiffed on Flowers, so yes the O line hasn’t been fixed in years. They have 2 starters at guard that are nothing but backups on other teams, so no the O line isn’t fixed.



So drafting O Lineman is not the way to go but drafting O Lineman in this draft would have fixed the O Line? Not sure what your point is? There is certainly no sure thing in the draft as the Giants know better than anyone. Lets hope their faith in the players they have works out for them.



Drafting O linemen is 1 way to go, but you have to pick the right ones to fix something, and just because they drafted some last year doesn’t mean they fixed anything. Thomas might not have been the best pick at #4, so you might have to keep drafting until you get it right. Solder was a big money mistake at FA, but that doesn’t mean you don’t sign anyone again. You do it until you get it right.



Rookies seldom walk in an begin playing like All-pros. Especially for something like OL where even new veterans need time to gel with each other. If you never ever give anyone the time to learn, develop, improve, you will continuously be churning people and wasting valuable resource. What you seem to be saying is that you want to have 7 OL picks in each draft in every year. That's not a productive way to build a team.


Having a O line with all being young, and inexperienced is a recipe for disaster. I would have mixed in some good vets through FA like Thuney, so no I would not be drafting 7 OL every year, so how long do you want to give this present group to see if they are any good, or not? They just spent money on FA I thought to win now since the team is on a 4 year losing streak. I don’t think the only reason this group is not very good is all, because they are young, but lack of good talent. The line has been bad for years, because of bad drafts, and bad FA signings, and I’ve heard all the excuses this past year from young, COVID, and no pre-season, and some may be true, but not all.
A+ for the process, B for the picks...  
x meadowlander : 5/3/2021 3:57 pm : link
...I expect a starter from the position the Giants began the draft with - to me, Toney looks like a dynamic role player, a slot receiver and trick play asset - hopefully, he's much more than that - the team needs a #1 receiver and I feel like they have 3 #2's now.

As for Ojulari - I HATE injury risks. Would have been fine with him as the first round choice without the injury. Would not have picked, hope I'm wrong and he never has a recurrence.

Robinson, UCF?... OK. Hopefully, they know more than me (they do)

I'm actually happy the Eagles jumped the Giants, believe 170 WR's cannot survive modern day NFL seasons.
My Grade  
charles355 : 5/3/2021 4:09 pm : link
1st Round: WR Kadarius Toney the Player C... the player + the picks = A+
2nd Round: LB Azeez Ojulari the Player A+... the player + the pick = A+++
3rd Round: CB Aaron Robinson A-
4th Round: LB Elerson Smith B
6th Round: RB Gary Brightwell B-
6th Round: CB Rodarius Williams B+

Overall: for this year only : A- for the big Picture A+
best off season in years


RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
giantstock : 5/3/2021 7:46 pm : link
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Also we did NOT pick Darnold. We did NOT pick Rosen. They were very much in the discussion at #2 - moreso than Allen. Dodged two BIG FAT EXPLOSIVE bullets. Trade back and pick Allen may have been the best move in hindsight - but what they did was not too bad.



That's what you want to hear from a desperate team in need of a rebuilding and sitting with the overall #2 pick.

"Eh, we didn't do too bad...".




Barkley, Hernandez, and Carter were considered good picks at the time. . . . In fact, it could still turn out to be very good.


"Who" considered it "very good?" The people that you wanted to listen to, right?

Because I heard it was an awful pick too considering Giants were in a rebuild and RB's get beat up early.

So what happens? Now that he gets hurt all of A sudden it's not DG's fault for taking a RB. YET THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY YOU DODN'T TAKE A RB 2ND OVERALL WHEN YOU ARE REBUILDING!
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And you made a point asking "who would you have taken?" My answer why does it matter who I or anyone else would have taken? That's not my job. You understand that, right? This is about if the Giants organization made the right pick.
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The draft "could've been good? Hahaha seriously you are using the "could've been . . . "

Holy crap.

I guess we got it all wrong many years ago. Just as we should say the Giants drafted well those few years ago, then the same can be said that The Buffalo Bills actually won- beat the Giants in the Super Bowl. Because that kick "could've been good" just before he started to kick it.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 7:55 pm : link
I like the fact that the Giants seemingly didn't panic after Eagles moved up & took Smith. They did the smart thing & traded back & collected assets for '22.

I caught a few Gators game & Toney looks like a complete stud. I just hope Garrett can utilize him correctly. Ojulari was a complete steal @ 50. I love all I've read about Robinson & Smith. No clue about the RB & CB from OSU.

Time will tell, but feel good about this draft right now.
A for me  
ChathamMark : 5/3/2021 8:13 pm : link
We got a few guys drafted lower than expected, like Ojulari and Robinson which look like great value. The kicker to me is the 2022 draft picks. A 1,3,4. That's fabulous. I read the compensatory pick threads over the years, and if we get an extra 4 we go crazy! And now a 1,3,4.
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