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Grade the New York Giants 2021 NFL Draft

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2021 9:24 am
Chicago Bears 2022 1st Rounder
Miami Dolphins 2022 3rd Rounder
Chicago Bears 2022 4th Rounder

1st Round: WR Kadarius Toney
2nd Round: LB Azeez Ojulari
3rd Round: CB Aaron Robinson
4th Round: LB Elerson Smith
6th Round: RB Gary Brightwell
6th Round: CB Rodarius Williams


(Side Note: Interesting that the Giants have now drafted six linebackers and five defensive backs in the last two drafts).
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These grades don't mean squat, but I'll give them an A overall.  
Red Dog : 5/2/2021 12:49 pm : link
I agree with Ira that I don't love the two 6th round picks, and I agree with the "should have drafted a Guard" crowd, but otherwise I think they absolutely killed it.

Four really solid picks in the first four rounds and an absolutely superb job of setting up the 2022 draft.

Can't beat it with a stick.
A-  
Simms11 : 5/2/2021 12:51 pm : link
I would have liked them to grab an Guard in round 4 and a better RB in 6. Otherwise I think a very good draft value-wise and with the addition of additional picks in 22, even makes this draft better.
A+  
Thegratefulhead : 5/2/2021 12:52 pm : link
Getting another first rounder in a draft with much more talent and data cannot be overstated. Getting Toney and Ojulari in 2021 I would have thought impossible. Getting them plus a first round next year is a slam dunk home run.
The one thing I keep thinking about with this draft  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2021 12:54 pm : link
is out new defensive coaching staff. If they can get the best out of Ojulari and Smith, along with our guys in the middle, plus Williams, that is a very scary defensive front.
People have compared  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2021 12:55 pm : link
Ojulari to Ngakoue. If that’s true, that is a hell of a steal at pick 50.
B+  
jeff57 : 5/2/2021 12:58 pm : link
Would not have traded back in the second and instead taken Eichenberg or Banks. Would have taken Smith or Forsythe in the sixth.
RE: RE: Based on trade value chart  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15250042 Mike from Ohio said:
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they went into the draft with 2036 value points. This years picks are valued at something like 1720 according to GBN’s big board, around 1900 on Sy’s grades list. The future picks they banked, minimum, 726. That’s if Bears beat Dolphins in Super Bowl. If Bears have worst record, it could go as high as 3362.
How is that not an A+?
Only complaint, trade some of that future capital for an OL pick this year.



It’s not an A+ because the point of the draft is to improve your team, not your draft chart point value. I’m surprised that has to be said.

If these players fulfill their potential then it is an A+. If they missed on these picks the additional picks last year are nothing but a consolation prize.


In that case there’s no point in participating in this grading game at all. Thanks for playing I guess
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MOOPS : 5/2/2021 1:16 pm : link
TBD  
BigBlueCane : 5/2/2021 1:21 pm : link
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RE: C+  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15250183 uncledave said:
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If they didn’t trade back and get more picks it would be lower. I don’t like the gun issues with Toney. Also I don’t think his style of play will do any assistance to his body long term, could see the injury bug creeping up. Azeez has the knee issues and there was better talent on the board. Aaron Robinson maybe but not in the third. On paper it looks fine for now but I’m concerned we’ll look back on this one in a few years and go wtf.
Not sure why it would be lower if they didn’t trade back. If they didn’t trade back, they wouldn’t have picked the players that you don’t like. Seems like if they didn’t trade back it should be higher.
RE: RE: C+  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15250311 Bill L said:
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In comment 15250183 uncledave said:


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If they didn’t trade back and get more picks it would be lower. I don’t like the gun issues with Toney. Also I don’t think his style of play will do any assistance to his body long term, could see the injury bug creeping up. Azeez has the knee issues and there was better talent on the board. Aaron Robinson maybe but not in the third. On paper it looks fine for now but I’m concerned we’ll look back on this one in a few years and go wtf.

Not sure why it would be lower if they didn’t trade back. If they didn’t trade back, they wouldn’t have picked the players that you don’t like. Seems like if they didn’t trade back it should be higher.


This draft better hit big. Especially by not drafting a O lineman, and fixing your biggest need the O line. The Bear’s pick that everyone is so exited about is not going to help any this coming year.
So we get your ol guy next year. It’s a process.  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 1:36 pm : link
I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.
RE: So we get your ol guy next year. It’s a process.  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15250336 Bill L said:
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I think you’re wrong about the oline and I’ll stand with the team in this one. But if we’re wrong, they get to evaluate and fix it next draft.


The O line hasn’t been fixed in years, so you are willing to take a chance with this group, and if not better the team will go 0-5 for winning seasons.
That answer is complex and nuanced, and likely too great in subtlety  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 1:41 pm : link
So the short answer is…yes
RE: That answer is complex and nuanced, and likely too great in subtlety  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15250350 Bill L said:
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So the short answer is…yes


0-5.
so blue  
Dave on the UWS : 5/2/2021 1:49 pm : link
what's YOUR solution? Easy to criticize, how would you "fix" the OL.
I'm tired of these stupid ass critical comments about the OL.
What they are doing now (drafting and developing those players) is the proven way to "fix" the line.
What would you do instead?
RE: People have compared  
Rjanyg : 5/2/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15250266 ryanmkeane said:
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Ojulari to Ngakoue. If that’s true, that is a hell of a steal at pick 50.


Yes and he is bigger and fast than Shaq Barrett. I love this pick!
RE: so blue  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15250373 Dave on the UWS said:
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what's YOUR solution? Easy to criticize, how would you "fix" the OL.
I'm tired of these stupid ass critical comments about the OL.
What they are doing now (drafting and developing those players) is the proven way to "fix" the line.
What would you do instead?
and “roofie the opposing d line” is not a valid answer.
A-  
Mark from Jersey : 5/2/2021 1:58 pm : link
Getting the extra picks was great. I like most of our picks this year with maybe the exception of the RB especially with Kylinn Hill still available that time IIRC. Understand he may be more a ST player.
I’ll gave it a B+.  
Section331 : 5/2/2021 2:02 pm : link
I love the trade back in rd 1 to make the best of a bad situation. We’ll see if Toney is better than Rrashod Bateman, who I think is going to be an excellent pro, but rd 1 gets an A from me. I LOVE the trade back in rd 2, and to get Ojulari, who I thought might be a target at 20, is a major win. A++ for me.

3rd & 4th rounds were very strong as well, a very promising ER and a CB who should be a major contributor pretty quickly. The only slight negative that keeps it from being an A draft is that I thought the 6th rounders were uninspiring when better players were still on the board. They’re 6th rounders, so I’m not going to lose sleep over it.
RE: so blue  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15250373 Dave on the UWS said:
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what's YOUR solution? Easy to criticize, how would you "fix" the OL.
I'm tired of these stupid ass critical comments about the OL.
What they are doing now (drafting and developing those players) is the proven way to "fix" the line.
What would you do instead?


SAC when the O line sucks?

I said back in FA that I would have gone after Thuney. KC, which saw the need after the SB disaster have revamped their whole line. Who would you rather have on your left side? Brown, and Thuney, or Thomas, and take your pick from one of the backup guards the Giants have.
It’s, or second round would have been another O line pick in this past draft. I’ve heard all kinds of excuses that, because the Giants drafted 3 linemen last year that they couldn’t do it again. The Jets got Becton, who the Giants should have drafted last year, and drafted someone to play along side him this year, and now the Jets are better than the Giants on the O line.

This is the best draft (and the one I'm happiest with) since 1986.  
Marty in Albany : 5/2/2021 2:12 pm : link
The one where Parcells had 5 draft picks in the second round.
Here’s the thing with the OL:  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2021 2:13 pm : link
I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.
Saying things like  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2021 2:15 pm : link
“Just get more talent” on the OL is how you end up with Flowers, Richburg, Pugh, etc.

NYG have made it perfectly clear that they really like 4-5 guys that they already have in their building, and they will take the chance of this group gelling with a new OL coach over just simply taking a guy instead of another position/more highly rated player.

Free agency isn’t over yet, guys could still shake loose.
I'll go B  
fkap : 5/2/2021 2:17 pm : link
BBI routinely over rates Giants drafts. Since the overall feeling is A, B is likely (hopefully?) the range.
Not that it means much,  
Simms11 : 5/2/2021 2:18 pm : link
but Marc Ross gave us an A+ and the best draft in the NFC East.
RE: Here’s the thing with the OL:  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15250431 ryanmkeane said:
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I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Hernandez may have played well as a rookie, but has gone down hill since.

Lemieux was a center who could play guard, and drafted in the 5th round as a backup. Peart, and Thomas are unproven, and Gates is still learning at center. All the youth, and inexperience elevator if the talent is there is not a good formula for success. They needed some good vets, and that is why I would have gone after Thuney. And yes I know he was expensive. If you’re telling me there was no one out there in the draft that was better than WH, or SL I don’t believe that, or Peart for that matter. I hope everyone is right, and the O line turns out to be decent, but I don’t think so.
Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.
With all the moves and pick  
uconngiant : 5/2/2021 2:46 pm : link
I give it an A

Loved the moving down and picking up a 1 and 4 and then picked up a 3 next year and still got the best edge rusher in the draft.

Picking up the cornerbacks helps with nowadays offenses with multiple wide outs.
A  
Scooter185 : 5/2/2021 2:52 pm : link
Between asset management and the players they got.
RE: At this point, I'm not sure any grades beyond Pass/Fail  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/2/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15250000 CT Charlie said:
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are appropriate. Because of the additional 2022 choices, though, I'll go with Pass, with a strong possibility of Honors.


Damn, teachers are supposed to love grades!
A-  
Harvest Blend : 5/2/2021 3:37 pm : link
the trade haul was impressive and people seem happy with the players. Would have been A+ if Sy56 had Toney higher. 14 was a shock to me.
RE: I’ll Play  
Dr. D : 5/2/2021 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15250013 Trainmaster said:
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Based on the players they drafted, I’m going A- l agree in round 6 you’d think they would have found a way to get at least one OL.

Considering the 2021 players drafted AND the additional 2022 picks, an A+

It seems to me they must have thought the difference between the OL in the 6th vs UDFA was less than the difference in the players they picked vs UDFA.
RE: Here’s the thing with the OL:  
WillVAB : 5/2/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15250431 ryanmkeane said:
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I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.


More likely than you think. You seem to be drinking whatever look-aid the organization is serving up.

They have a high opinion of the current group. We’ll see if they’re right.
A+  
JoeMorrison40 : 5/2/2021 4:15 pm : link
That old DG turned a new trick .
Before any picks were made ....  
short lease : 5/2/2021 4:43 pm : link
to get an extra 1, a 3, and a 4 for next years the draft - those extra picks alone get the draft a B before we talk about players.

I do not know much about the last 2 players taken but, I love the first 4. Elerson Smith ... a project?

Now we are at an A.


Throw in the FA signings (Golladay, Jackson, etc ....)

A+ off season.
Going to do 2 grades  
Biteymax22 : 5/2/2021 4:53 pm : link
Players alone, and with the trades:

Players Alone - B. Like the 6 guys they got but they cluster drafted a position where we have some good young players and took a mainly ST player as a running back. Toney pick was good but Ojuilari, Robinson and Smith were all massive values. Picks 2-4 were their best.

With Trades - A+. The players were good but the trades were great. This gives us a lot of flexibility to do what we want going into next years draft, also allows us to add players without spending FA $$ which will be sparse.
tough to say  
bc4life : 5/2/2021 4:56 pm : link
Looks good on paper. Wonder if there was an OL we could've grabbed who might have helped out?

All in all, looks like reasonable decisions
RE: RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15250196 Old Blue said:
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since it now has been 3 years?





Hasn’t the ‘18 draft been beaten to death around here? We get it. It was a massive fail.

You are such a miserable fuck. How do you even get out of bed each day? Holy shit. We can’t enjoy the moment. Nope. Let’s revisit 2018 to bring back the misery! Yay!



You’re right the draft was a massive fail, and that is a big reason why the Giants haven’t had a winning record in 5 years. As for the grade for this year I give them a INC for not addressing their biggest need the O line, and we won’t have to wait 3 years to see how that works out. That grade will come in 6 months from now.


He is also right in that you are an old miserable fuck.
Don't forget that we have 3 veteran backups for the OL....  
No Where Man : 5/2/2021 5:18 pm : link
Harrison, Fulton, and Solder. Those 3 represent outstanding options in case of injury or bad play. I can't think of another team that has backups as seasoned as we do.
The Giants went in with 6 picks, came out with 6 picks...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/2/2021 5:24 pm : link
...plus got 3 additional picks for 2022 and were able to use a pick this year to trade up to snag a very promising CB in the 3rd round (and snag him from the Eagles, no less).

Oh, and the Giants addressed their two biggest areas of need (WR and pass rush). And improved slot/nickle CB.

So yeah, I'll give it an A.
RE: Don't forget that we have 3 veteran backups for the OL....  
Old Blue : 5/2/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15250628 No Where Man said:
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Harrison, Fulton, and Solder. Those 3 represent outstanding options in case of injury or bad play. I can't think of another team that has backups as seasoned as we do.


Three outstanding options??? Solder sucked when he was a starter. One of the worst FA signings the Giants have made.
Revised Grade  
giantstock : 5/2/2021 6:03 pm : link
Grade B+ for 2021.

Grade A+ for 2022.

Overall A- to A.
RE: RE: Here’s the thing with the OL:  
Bill L : 5/2/2021 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15250555 WillVAB said:
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I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.



More likely than you think. You seem to be drinking whatever look-aid the organization is serving up.

They have a high opinion of the current group. We’ll see if they’re right.

Well, as you suggest, it’s Schrödinger’s cat. So, there’s no difference at this point between being optimistic or being pessimistic other than the latter brings everyone else down around you.
A+  
trueblueinpw : 5/2/2021 6:27 pm : link
I like the players we drafted in terms of BPA, position value and position of need. I like the trade up to get the CB. Obviously we don’t know how they’ll play in the NFL but these all defensible and sensible picks. There aren’t any obvious blunders or reaches. I like the players.

But, getting a first round pick for next year and 3rd and 4th are huge for next years draft. I honestly don’t understand how anyone doesn’t love this draft. Great job Big Blue!
Provisional A  
GeofromNJ : 5/2/2021 7:01 pm : link
Provisional because I don't know how dominant Parsons is going to be vs. how many points Toney is going to generate. Talent wise, Parsons is elite (I don't think Ojulari is his equal), but character wise, Parsons may self destruct. If he doesn't, he will shut down an awful lot of offenses, including possibly ours. DG took Toney instead. I see Toney as an ideal slot receiver, but will he be impossible to cover? If so, he will generate tons of points and make passing up Parsons moot. Several evaluators think Robinson is 1st round talent. I hope they're right. I'm looking forward to seeing what Graham can do with Elerson Smith. With a bit more muscle, could he be our next JPP?
I'll give it a A-  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 7:26 pm : link
Only knock is no OL - not their fault the value wasn't there when they picked 2-7. And I'm sure they believe in the personnel already on the roster with the potential to make another move or two. The first three picks have the potential to be contributors from the jump. We haven't seen the Giants with a dynamic skill guy since Beckham and I think Toney is a game changer. Ojulari just screams winner to me. Robinson can play between the hashes and outside, big, physical, with some snarl. Three great picks for an already very young team. And I like Elerson Smith as a project. The needle is pointing up considerable for the first time in several years.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Isn't this actually the time to grade the 2018 Draft  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15250620 chopperhatch said:
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since it now has been 3 years?





Hasn’t the ‘18 draft been beaten to death around here? We get it. It was a massive fail.

You are such a miserable fuck. How do you even get out of bed each day? Holy shit. We can’t enjoy the moment. Nope. Let’s revisit 2018 to bring back the misery! Yay!



You’re right the draft was a massive fail, and that is a big reason why the Giants haven’t had a winning record in 5 years. As for the grade for this year I give them a INC for not addressing their biggest need the O line, and we won’t have to wait 3 years to see how that works out. That grade will come in 6 months from now.



He is also right in that you are an old miserable fuck.


Don't bother with Old Blue Balls. He's all yack and absolutely no Fucking substance.
RE: RE: RE: Here’s the thing with the OL:  
WillVAB : 5/2/2021 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15250674 Bill L said:
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I understand the criticism: but Hernandez played well as a rookie. Lemieux had some moments as a rookie but it was up and down. Peart looked the part, not much playing time as a third rounder. Gates really showed a lot after struggling for a few weeks.

If we had taken OL in round 2 or 3, what are the odds that those guys start/immediately show that they are the better option over Hernandez, Lemieux, Fulton, or Peart?

Playing OL in the NFL especially if you aren’t a 1st round draft pick is a really tough adjustment.



More likely than you think. You seem to be drinking whatever look-aid the organization is serving up.

They have a high opinion of the current group. We’ll see if they’re right.


Well, as you suggest, it’s Schrödinger’s cat. So, there’s no difference at this point between being optimistic or being pessimistic other than the latter brings everyone else down around you.


Not really, it’s not like all of these guys are complete unknowns. It comes to whether they’ll perform like they did (up and down) or worse, or if they’ll improve with experience. The organization believes the latter. We’ll see.
I give them a "B" ....  
Manny in CA : 5/2/2021 8:27 pm : link

What others think - nfl,com- A"; pff -"C"; Sporting News - "A-";Walter Football - "B"; Sports Illustrated - "B+"; NBC Sports - "B";CBS Sports - "B"

When they got screwed by the Cowpukes/Philly conspiracy, they were wise to take what the Bears gave them. Toney & Ojulri are good solid players and two #1s in 2022 is nothing to sneeze at.
A so far, but it’s only a midterm grade.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/2/2021 8:44 pm : link
So far, so good. The Giants turned this into a nine-pick draft, with three of the most important picks deferred until 2022.
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