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OLB: Who stays and who goes?

Milton : 5/2/2021 10:40 am
We have...
Carter (in contract year) and Ximines returning from injury.
Anderson and Odenigbo added in free agency (one year deals)
Ojulari and Elerson Smith added in the draft.
Cam Brown and Carter Coughlin in their second years.

They can't keep all eight obviously. Ideally they keep only four or five of them. Glad to have plenty of competition at a position of need, maybe they'll be able to flip one or two of them for 7th round picks in 2022 come cut-down day.
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Gotta think Coughlin will be the odd man out  
Anakim : 5/2/2021 10:42 am : link
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Odenigbo  
robbieballs2003 : 5/2/2021 10:42 am : link
is interesting. Do they consider him more of an OLB or DE? Imo, I can see a guy with his hand in the turf.

That brings us to 7. Coughlin and Brown showed enough to keep. I think Anderson is our starter based on his run D and experience. The questions are on Carter and X man imo.
RE: Gotta think Coughlin will be the odd man out  
robbieballs2003 : 5/2/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15250058 Anakim said:
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Why? He played well last year.
Milton  
giant power : 5/2/2021 10:44 am : link
I have a thread just a few slots below yours on this very subject titled Roster space. Not much of a response on the subject.
Carter May Be Out  
Trainmaster : 5/2/2021 10:45 am : link
He had an Achilles injury right? Tough to return to old form.

One of the one year FAs too.

I think they stick with the younger guys.
Competition  
giant power : 5/2/2021 10:47 am : link
is a good thing but I think our roster is over crowded in certain areas. I do not like having to lose young players with good potential. This will be the case at LB for sure, just too many guys there.
I wouldn’t think Carter Coughlin is out  
Chris684 : 5/2/2021 10:50 am : link
I’d actually think Zo Carterwith his lack of production/injury is a very big question mark for 2021.
Giants play a 3-4 base, right? You need 7-8 LBs  
Ivan15 : 5/2/2021 10:50 am : link
You can never have too many _______ (fill in the blank). Free agents and oft-injured players are candidates for release.
Probably keep 6  
jeff57 : 5/2/2021 10:50 am : link
Since several also double as 4-3 end. If everyone’s healthy, Coughlin and Brown might be most vulnerable.
I doubt it will be predetermined  
edavisiii : 5/2/2021 10:55 am : link
Go to camp and see who plays the best. Hope that another team sends you a draft pick for the players who get beat out.
Agree on 6  
Samiam : 5/2/2021 10:57 am : link
I’m curious how Coughlin and Brown will look after a year of strength training. I thought the big problem for both was they needed to bulk up. Be interesting to see if they added muscle without losing speed. Both looked ok last year given they weren’t ready yet.
i see them keeping 6 OLB and 3 ILB  
GiantsFan84 : 5/2/2021 10:59 am : link
they will only be using a second ILB on run downs as i see the most frequently used defense being 2 DT, 2 EDGE, 1 ILB, 3 CB, and 3 S, which allows them to only carry 3 ILB

I thought coughlin showed some things last year, and i think he has more versatility to slide to ILB in a pinch if they need him to. that being said he's definitely on the bubble

i think the 3 most vulnerable are carter (last year of contract, most expensive, and won't be re-signed), x-man who really hasn't shown me much, and cam brown.

something to consider too though might be if they can get anything in return for some of these guys in a trade. for instance if a team is willing to surrender a late pick for some of these bubble guys, the team might decide there isn't a big enough talent difference and simply try to trade those guys that have value to other teams
Think we keep 8 LBers,  
Simms11 : 5/2/2021 11:01 am : link
5 OLB and 3 ILB. I think there will be versatility as to some of the OLBs being able to move inside if need be. Can we still put vets on the PS? Guys like Cam Brown can move inside IMO. I think STs will also play a role in who remains and Cam Brown was big on specials last year.
They kept 10 LB's last year, 5 ILB and 5 OLB, plus 2 OLB on IR.  
Klaatu : 5/2/2021 11:14 am : link
With Special Teams in mind, it wouldn't surprise me if they kept 10 this year, too, although the mix might differ from 5 & 5. More like 6 or 7 OLB, 3 or 4 ILB.
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ColHowPepper : 5/2/2021 11:21 am : link
Carter may not be full recovered, achilles are very situation specific. Ximines's tool/skills never really impressed me, seemed like DG was forcing a pick at a clear area of need
Carter  
AcidTest : 5/2/2021 11:22 am : link
and Ximines are the most likely to go. Injuries of course may make the decision irrelevant.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 5/2/2021 11:24 am : link
In comment 15250062 giant power said:
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I have a thread just a few slots below yours on this very subject titled Roster space. Not much of a response on the subject.
Sorry, there is just a lot to wade through, especially with some threads several pages deep, it's hard to know if you're being redundant or not.
Thats for the coaches  
blueblood : 5/2/2021 11:26 am : link
to figure out. We dont even know how a lot of these players will be utilized yet.
LB  
stretch234 : 5/2/2021 11:28 am : link
I think They will keep 6 DL, 6 CB and 4 S. If you assume 24 defensive players, that leaves 8. If they go 2 QB route you could have 9. I think they could put Carter on injury list to start

Martinez - Y
Anderson -
Ojulari - Y
Brown -
Brunson
Carter - PUP
Coughlin -
Crowder - Y
Downs
Ragland -
Ximines - Y

I think 1 of Ragland or Anderson as the older vet
2 of Brown, Brunson, Coughlin and Downs
RE: Thats for the coaches  
Milton : 5/2/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15250128 blueblood said:
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to figure out. We dont even know how a lot of these players will be utilized yet.
Since when!? This is our job and we shouldn't relinquish it to the coaches!
Anderson, Xman, Brown, Coughlin  
WillVAB : 5/2/2021 11:33 am : link
Are all potentially on the chopping block. It’s going to come down to injuries and how these guys play in camp/preseason.
Good question  
SleepyOwl : 5/2/2021 12:37 pm : link
1) Zo Carter had a tough injury

2)Carter Coughlin is not explosive or big enough.

3)Cam Brown can play inside backer as well so he can take over for Downs.

4)Olujari and Elerson Smith make it.

5)Ximines is a stud.

6)OLB rotation Olujari and Ximines start. Anderson, Odenigbo, Smith situational.

7Cut: Coughlin(Practice Squad) Carter

Coughlin has one advantage.  
Red Dog : 5/2/2021 1:01 pm : link
He's the only one of the bunch who plays BOTH outside AND inside. So he might get that last OLB slot on the basis of versatility. Might.

Gun to my head, Ximines has the most to prove right now. Lalos was a nice story, but he's very likely gone, or back to the PS. Rookie Smith could end up om the PS, too. That's could, not will.

It's going to be a hell of a battle, and there is going to be a surprise or two before it's over on Labor Day.
RE: Thats for the coaches  
Jimmy Googs : 5/2/2021 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15250128 blueblood said:
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to figure out. We dont even know how a lot of these players will be utilized yet.


Good problem to have. Lots of different skill sets here for them to sort thru. My guess is this will not be an easy competition to predict the winners...
RE:  
Klaatu : 5/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15250237 SleepyOwl said:
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5)Ximines is a stud.


Sure, if you define "stud" as slow-as-shit and can't set the edge, then yeah, Ximines is a stud.
Ximenes stinks  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/2/2021 5:19 pm : link
Also the likelihood of Carter being ready for 2021 is very small.

So I'd bet that both are not on the opening day roster.
X is slow  
mpinmaine : 5/2/2021 5:27 pm : link
Carter,,,,IDK
could see them both cut
Gonna be a fun camp battle  
j_rud : 5/2/2021 5:58 pm : link
Just a few thoughts

-As others have said Carter's injury is significant. He'll be a little more than 9 months removed from a ruptured achilles when camp starts. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts on IR. No reason to rush and it can help clear tbe picture at the position, at least temporarily.

-I feel like people might be sleeping on Ryan Anderson a little too much. He's got the most experience and produced well in his lone stint as a starter but that WFT LBer room is loaded. I think the idea of a "starter" isnt totally relevant to some spots on the D. They're going to be using 15-20 guys regularly, and Id be willing to bet Anderson sees time as an early down edge-setter.

-I think Coughlin and Brown are safe, or at least have a better chance than draft status would indicate. Coughlin js versatile if not exceptional at anything. Both play special teams, Brown very well.

-Gun to my head I think Carter and Ximines are the odd men out.
Easiest Cuts are Downs are Carter  
OntheRoad : 5/2/2021 6:36 pm : link
If the LBs perform to expectations, Brown may find himself on the bubble at the deadline.
RE: RE:  
SleepyOwl : 5/2/2021 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15250422 Klaatu said:
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In comment 15250237 SleepyOwl said:


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5)Ximines is a stud.



Sure, if you define "stud" as slow-as-shit and can't set the edge, then yeah, Ximines is a stud.



Explosive first step, and, a great pass rush arsenal. (Kid's got a spin move ffs) No, he's not slow, he scored a 7.13 at the combine and 7.06 at PD on the three-cone drill at 6-4 250+ that's .1 seconds away from elite. Olujari at 6-3 240 7.27 by comparison. He was injured last year and was situational as a rookie so I don't get your analysis. But we will see.





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Klaatu : 5/2/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15250713 SleepyOwl said:
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5)Ximines is a stud.



Sure, if you define "stud" as slow-as-shit and can't set the edge, then yeah, Ximines is a stud.



Explosive first step, and, a great pass rush arsenal. (Kid's got a spin move ffs) No, he's not slow, he scored a 7.13 at the combine and 7.06 at PD on the three-cone drill at 6-4 250+ that's .1 seconds away from elite. Olujari at 6-3 240 7.27 by comparison. He was injured last year and was situational as a rookie so I don't get your analysis. But we will see.



RAS - Ximines

RAS - Ojulari

Other than that, my analysis comes from watching him play. He's slow and he can't set the edge, making him a liability against the run, as well as in coverage. He may find a spot as a situational pass-rusher...maybe...but he's hardly a "stud." He's a backup at best.
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