I like to go back see where guys were projected to fall:
1st Round: WR Kadarius Toney (2nd round)
2nd Round: LB Azeez Ojulari (1st round)
3rd Round: CB Aaron Robinson (2nd round)
4th Round: LB Elerson Smith (3rd round)
6th Round: RB Gary Brightwell (6th round)
6th Round: CB Rodarius Williams (4th round)
UDFA: DE/LB Raymond Johnson (6th round)
UDFA OC/OG Brett Heggie (7th round)
UDFA OT Jake Burton (UDFA)
I think if anyone would have listed those names in those rounds and said the Giants would also get a 1, 3 & 4 next year they would have been laughed at by most of us.
This off season on paper has been a grand slam. Hopefully they have relatively good health this year which can't start soon enough for me.
I think if anyone would have listed those names in those rounds and said the Giants would also get a 1, 3 & 4 next year they would have been laughed at by most of us.
This off season on paper has been a grand slam. Hopefully they have relatively good health this year which can't start soon enough for me.
He seems like another DB with attitude in a good way.
Toney grades were down graded by most because of his off field stuff not play.
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Toney grades were down graded by most because of his off field stuff not play.
Yep. Very good player and had a nice season last year but never saw him as a first round guy. 2nd round prospect sounds pretty fair as I said.
Not all 32 teams, it's comparing the judgement of Ourlads and any other places you do this comparison with the one team that selected the player in that spot, and to a lesser degree the teams ahead of that pick that didn't choose the player.
You're suggesting all 32 teams thought Leatherwood should go in the first round, all we know for sure is that one team did. Same for Toney.What other teams say could be misdirection. Actions speak louder than words.
Toney = 1st Round, 24th overall
Robinson = 2nd Round, 48th overall
Not bad, 3 of top 48 ranked guys.
Giants couldn't find 20-23 year old player to draft instead with this pick?
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Toney grades were down graded by most because of his off field stuff not play.
Giants couldn't find 20-23 year old player to draft instead with this pick?
Why, do you expect him to be around in 5 years?
In Leatherwood’s case, maybe he was fair value where the Raiders took him; maybe not. But calling Ojulari a “first-round value”, after he lasted until #50, is not analogous to putting the same label on Leatherwood. Leatherwood actually IS a first-round pick. A closer analogue would be calling Leatherwood a “top-ten value”. Somebody might think he is, but the market has spoken.
Is a healthy Ojulari a first-round value? Sure, I guess. The gamble on his knee is baked into the market’s appraisal of him as a second-round pick.
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Let me first say that I'm very happy with the draft and UDFAs plus next year's extra picks, except for Rodarius Williams. He'll be 25 years old this year.
Giants couldn't find 20-23 year old player to draft instead with this pick?
Why, do you expect him to be around in 5 years?
Exactly. He’s a 6th round pick. If he contributes on specials and provides depth for two or three years it was a good pick.
Right, although it's possible other teams had a first round grade on Ojulari, but had other players still available who on their board had an even higher grade.
Without being able to see every team's board we'll never truly know how the other teams saw him. And at this point it doesn't matter. How he performs going forward will tell the story.
I was surprised he was there at 50 and glad we got him. Toney wouldn't have been my pick at 20, he might have been ther for our pick at 42, or maybe he'd be gone at 25 or 21. We'll never know for sure. My knowledge is far less than Ourlads and anyone working for an NFL team. Had it been my call Ojulari would have been a strong consideration at 20 and Toney a strong consideration at 42. The Giants got those two players and a future third round pick out of those spots. I'm happy.
I think if anyone would have listed those names in those rounds and said the Giants would also get a 1, 3 & 4 next year they would have been laughed at by most of us.
I agree with this. You can view this as solid value all by itself and grade it what you will, but you have to add in the additional draft picks to really get it.
Ojulari:20
Toney:31
Robinson:63
Bruglers top 300:
Ojulari:16
Toney:28
Robinson: 61
Gil Brandt top 100:
Ojulari:24
Toney:25
Robinson:54
Jeremiah top 150:
Toney:28
Ojulari:30
Robinson:55
These weren’t mocks but in player rankings 1st 2 picks seem consistently top 30 players and Robinson a top 60.
People forget there’s a decent cap savings if they replace Yiadom and Beal which is really who they’ll be taking the places of (Harper too). Both players also have the make up to excel on ST’s too.
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critical of the Rodarius Williams pick, based on what I'm seeing from multiple outlets, it appears the value was simply too great to pass up. He wasn't supposed to be there in the 6th round.
People forget there’s a decent cap savings if they replace Yiadom and Beal which is really who they’ll be taking the places of (Harper too). Both players also have the make up to excel on ST’s too.
Whey I refer to “they” and “both” I’m referring to the fact we selected 2 CBs
Yet there were higher or equally rated OL that we passed on:
Robert Jones 6' 4" 319 lb G/C 72 score
Sadarius Hutcherson 6' 3" 321 lbs G/C 71 score
Jake Curhan 6' 6" 323 lbs G/C 70 score
Kayode Awosika 6' 3" 307 lbs G/C 70 score
Bryce Hargrove 6' 4" 310 lbs G/C 70 score
Foster Sarell 6' 6" 318 lbs OT 75 score
Alaric Jackson 6' 6" 321 lbs OT 74 score
Stone Forsythe 6' 8" 307 lbs OT drafted after Williams at #208 71 score
Why draft a soon-to-be 25 year old, after drafting Aaron Robinson at CB in the 3d round, but no OL?
As I said, I very much like what the Giants did but Williams' selection puzzles me.
Yet there were higher or equally rated OL that we passed on:
Robert Jones 6' 4" 319 lb G/C 72 score
Sadarius Hutcherson 6' 3" 321 lbs G/C 71 score
Jake Curhan 6' 6" 323 lbs G/C 70 score
Kayode Awosika 6' 3" 307 lbs G/C 70 score
Bryce Hargrove 6' 4" 310 lbs G/C 70 score
Foster Sarell 6' 6" 318 lbs OT 75 score
Alaric Jackson 6' 6" 321 lbs OT 74 score
Stone Forsythe 6' 8" 307 lbs OT drafted after Williams at #208 71 score
Why draft a soon-to-be 25 year old, after drafting Aaron Robinson at CB in the 3d round, but no OL?
As I said, I very much like what the Giants did but Williams' selection puzzles me.
Maybe the Giants had some or all of those OL in the same area as the 2 they signed so they figured that they will likely land some as UDFA whereas Williams may have carried a similar grade but was the last CB on their board.
Yet there were higher or equally rated OL that we passed on:
Robert Jones 6' 4" 319 lb G/C 72 score
Sadarius Hutcherson 6' 3" 321 lbs G/C 71 score
Jake Curhan 6' 6" 323 lbs G/C 70 score
Kayode Awosika 6' 3" 307 lbs G/C 70 score
Bryce Hargrove 6' 4" 310 lbs G/C 70 score
Foster Sarell 6' 6" 318 lbs OT 75 score
Alaric Jackson 6' 6" 321 lbs OT 74 score
Stone Forsythe 6' 8" 307 lbs OT drafted after Williams at #208 71 score
Why draft a soon-to-be 25 year old, after drafting Aaron Robinson at CB in the 3d round, but no OL?
As I said, I very much like what the Giants did but Williams' selection puzzles me.
Maybe the Giants had some or all of those OL in the same area as the 2 they signed so they figured that they will likely land some as UDFA whereas Williams may have carried a similar grade but was the last CB on their board. 6th and 7th rounders tend to be those who can contribute initially on special teams or at positions that will be tougher to fill as UDFA all else being equal.
Giants couldn't find 20-23 year old player to draft instead with this pick?
2 points:
1 - League average career is 3 years.
2- -Giants haven't signed many players to 2nd contracts at all regardless of age in the last decade.
Yet there were higher or equally rated OL that we passed on:
Robert Jones 6' 4" 319 lb G/C 72 score
Sadarius Hutcherson 6' 3" 321 lbs G/C 71 score
Jake Curhan 6' 6" 323 lbs G/C 70 score
Kayode Awosika 6' 3" 307 lbs G/C 70 score
Bryce Hargrove 6' 4" 310 lbs G/C 70 score
Foster Sarell 6' 6" 318 lbs OT 75 score
Alaric Jackson 6' 6" 321 lbs OT 74 score
Stone Forsythe 6' 8" 307 lbs OT drafted after Williams at #208 71 score
Why draft a soon-to-be 25 year old, after drafting Aaron Robinson at CB in the 3d round, but no OL?
As I said, I very much like what the Giants did but Williams' selection puzzles me.
Didn't most of those guys go undrafted?
Scores might be one thing, but IMO the ultimate rating on a player is whether or not a team wants them.