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NFT: KNICKS VS. ROCKETS 8pm

larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 12:55 pm
1 game lead on ATL
1 1/2 on Celtics and Heat.
9 games left to play.

6 game road trip starts tonight, 5 against teams fighting for playoff position.
This is a big test before the playoffs.

Need to take care of business tonight and not look past Houston.

Should have everyone but Mitch available for the stretch run.

#LFGK.
Knicks even took a nice 3 day rest  
djm : 5/2/2021 2:06 pm : link
While we all enjoyed the nfl draft. Now we’re ready for the stretch run. LGK!
Any news on Mitch?  
robbieballs2003 : 5/2/2021 2:53 pm : link
I heard not too long ago that he was "out for the regular season" meaning that the playoffs were still a possibility in some capacity. Is that true or just wishful thinking?
This is must win  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 2:59 pm : link
Tough road trip, need this game
The next TWO  
Carl in CT : 5/2/2021 3:00 pm : link
Are. I don’t want to look ahead either.
Also  
Carl in CT : 5/2/2021 3:02 pm : link
Go Portland and Charlotte today.0
RE: Any news on Mitch?  
adamg : 5/2/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15250476 robbieballs2003 said:
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I heard not too long ago that he was "out for the regular season" meaning that the playoffs were still a possibility in some capacity. Is that true or just wishful thinking?


Not seeing anything good. Seems like he's done for the year.
Sounds like Burks is back  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 5:49 pm : link
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RE: Sounds like Burks is back  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15250655 nygiants16 said:
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Never mind still out
RE: RE: Sounds like Burks is back  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2021 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15250725 nygiants16 said:
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Never mind still out


What? He was shooting around before last game?
Seems like longer than three days  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 7:41 pm : link
Since the Knicks played.
Since when did the Rockets  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 8:13 pm : link
wear blue and paint their court blue? Looks awful.
Holy crap Payton sucks  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 8:21 pm : link
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At this point Elf is a hurting  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 8:24 pm : link
This team and needs to go to the end of the bench.
Get Payton out  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 8:25 pm : link
.
Knicks tied  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 8:27 pm : link
Despite having a guy named Elfrid playing.
Elfrid  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 8:27 pm : link
BANG!
Amazes me that  
jpkmets : 5/2/2021 8:27 pm : link
Payton still starts on this team
This team loves to start chucking 3s  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 8:56 pm : link
when they get a lead
You take Payton out  
Mike in NY : 5/2/2021 8:57 pm : link
And the team goes on a role. Rose is the better PG for this team. It is just a shame that he can’t play starter minutes at this point in his career.
Why does this scrub  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:00 pm : link
Olynyk always seem to score at will on the Knicks?
RE: You take Payton out  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15250817 Mike in NY said:
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And the team goes on a role. Rose is the better PG for this team. It is just a shame that he can’t play starter minutes at this point in his career.


When Burks comes back you could easily take Payton out of the rotation and keep Rose's mins at 28..

He has been playing over 30 lately
Rose needs to start.  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 9:11 pm : link
Burks and Quickley can pick up the extra 16 minutes Peyton is playing.
Damn I would rather see frank play the minutes at this point.
How good is this team going to be  
Chris L. : 5/2/2021 9:12 pm : link
once it has a real starting point guard? Payton is worthless. Its like he knows he has no future with this team. Half the time he looks disinterested.
If i am the rockets  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:15 pm : link
i bench Porter to start the half, you are the worst team in the NBA and you have 4 seconds and instead of trying to get a shot at rhe end you hold it to save your field goal percentage..

1 of my biggest pet peeves
That Houston shot clock buzzer  
Bricktop : 5/2/2021 9:16 pm : link
Is some state pen get your ass on the yellow line type shit. Geezus.
Noel is bad tonight  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:25 pm : link
and of course letting the rockets hang around..team refuses to put teams away
Now the Rockets believe  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:35 pm : link
keep letting them hang around
What horseshit is that?  
Anakim : 5/2/2021 9:36 pm : link
Noel got hurt because Olynyk clearly flopped
Bring the bench back  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:37 pm : link
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thank you to whoever talked shit to Randle  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:40 pm : link
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World Wide Wes  
bceagle05 : 5/2/2021 9:40 pm : link
about to rip his shirt off.
Randle with 31 at the end of the Third Q  
Anakim : 5/2/2021 9:48 pm : link
Looks like Randle will get 40 by the time the night is done
Let's hope they can get some rest in the 4th  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 9:50 pm : link
Quick turnaround to Memphis tomorrow.
24ish point lead at this point....  
Kev in Cali : 5/2/2021 9:56 pm : link
We got this!

Go Knicks!!!
Celtics lose  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 9:59 pm : link
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Only negative tonight was losing Noel to injury  
dpinzow : 5/2/2021 10:07 pm : link
They needed this one and they need the one tomorrow night in Memphis, which will be more difficult
RE: Randle with 31 at the end of the Third Q  
dpinzow : 5/2/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15250872 Anakim said:
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Looks like Randle will get 40 by the time the night is done


Nope, rest Randle for tomorrow night. This is the first of a back to back
Though, as others have mentioned already...  
Kev in Cali : 5/2/2021 10:11 pm : link
this road trip will be a grind. LAL will be at full strength and tuning up for playoffs when we play them later and should be a pivotal matchup...

Hopefully they are saving Rose's knees for now. Mitch should be a welcomed body back.
I missed a good chunk of the game  
mfsd : 5/2/2021 10:15 pm : link
what happened to Noel? Going to be tough without him if he misses time
Nice  
Carl in CT : 5/2/2021 10:15 pm : link
Win!
The team is so much better  
nygiants16 : 5/2/2021 10:20 pm : link
with Rose at Point even if he is not shooting well..
That was a horrible game for Obi  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 10:25 pm : link
Knox definitely looked bad in garbage time also.
Nice to get Barrett and Randle some rest.
I wish they would have pulled Rose earlier
RE: I missed a good chunk of the game  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15250895 mfsd said:
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what happened to Noel? Going to be tough without him if he misses time

Sprained ankle.
RE: RE: I missed a good chunk of the game  
mfsd : 5/2/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15250909 larryflower37 said:
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what happened to Noel? Going to be tough without him if he misses time


Sprained ankle.
Thanks  
mfsd : 5/2/2021 10:29 pm : link
Hope not too serious. Nice to see us take care of business tonight, good start to the trip
wow - didn't see the game but  
Del Shofner : 5/2/2021 10:34 pm : link
some box score.

Hope Noel is OK.
wow - didn't see the game but  
Del Shofner : 5/2/2021 10:34 pm : link
some box score.

Hope Noel is OK.
Olynyk should be fined. That was bush league.  
Anakim : 5/2/2021 10:39 pm : link
It was an awful flop by him and because of it, Noel got hurt. Hahn pointed out that that's how LeBron got hurt and missed all that time. It could've been a lot worse.


Fuck that long-haired Canadian hippie-looking bitch
Blazers back from the dead with four straight road wins  
shyster : 5/2/2021 10:40 pm : link
Mavs lose to SAC at home.

Blazers and Mavs tied with nine games left; Portland has tiebreaker.

The dream of Mavs being knocked into the play-in and then into the lottery still alive.

And, oh yeah, KP misses his 23rd game of the season with right knee soreness that caused him to leave a game early a couple of nights ago.
Part of me is hoping  
Leg of Theismann : 5/2/2021 10:51 pm : link
what the Knicks have been able to do this year and the spark that's given the city to get behind them will inspire Giants players to want to build something like that for themselves in NY. A lot of these young dudes on the Giants were pretty young when Manning was leading us to the promised land, and also they're not from the area, so I'm hoping now they're seeing a taste of how passionate this city can be and how good NYC treats its winners it'll inspire them to instill that same sort of thing in the NYG organization. The culture Judge is trying to build has a lot of similarities to what Thibs has been credited for building w/ the Knicks in a short span of time.

Also-- I credit Randle for having that vision of what NYC and MSG can be like when the Knicks are winning and instilling that in these young players, getting them onboard and inspiring them to want to bring it out of the city. Given that Randle is from Dallas and only 26 years old I'm often impressed w/ how knowledgeable he is of NYC culture in general. He has a very 90s NYC vibe about him which is partly why I love the guy so much lol
RE: Blazers back from the dead with four straight road wins  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15250929 shyster said:
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Mavs lose to SAC at home.

Blazers and Mavs tied with nine games left; Portland has tiebreaker.

The dream of Mavs being knocked into the play-in and then into the lottery still alive.

And, oh yeah, KP misses his 23rd game of the season with right knee soreness that caused him to leave a game early a couple of nights ago.


Need one more from the Blazers tomorrow night take out the Hawks
We really need to beat the Grizzlies  
Leg of Theismann : 5/2/2021 11:01 pm : link
And it's gonna suck to have to try to do that w/o Noel.

It honestly shouldn't be legal for us to have to play the Nuggets, Suns, Clippers, and Lakers in 4 straight road games. I'm just hoping we can come out of this road trip still the 4th or 5th seed. We have some cushion at the moment but that could be 4 straight losses right there.

8 Games to play-- I think finishing 3-5 will keep us 4th or 5th. Anything worse than that and it might be dicey. I do NOT want to have to play the Bucks in the 1st round. 3-5 doesn't seem to difficult but if we lose to the Grizzlies it could easily be the 1st of a 5-game losing streak, so we need to be on point tomorrow.
Just finsihed watching... While the Knicks  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2021 11:13 pm : link
Played very well,the Rockets are godawful and it showed. Im surprised Porter Jr. didnt hoist up more jacks because they dont have shit. Christian is also a nice player.

For those clamoring for Rose to start over Payton, we have won 12/13...why would the coach mess with ANYTHING regarding the lineup? Except of course giving Burks back his minutes, I would be hesitant to do anything drastic at this point including bencing the worst player in the rotation. Plus, he player 14 mins and was more than solid deeing up their best player a bunch. He also eats up fouls that Rose or IQ would likely take and limit them. 14 mins of aolid D and 7 points is fine for him.
RE: RE: Blazers back from the dead with four straight road wins  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15250945 larryflower37 said:
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Mavs lose to SAC at home.

Blazers and Mavs tied with nine games left; Portland has tiebreaker.

The dream of Mavs being knocked into the play-in and then into the lottery still alive.

And, oh yeah, KP misses his 23rd game of the season with right knee soreness that caused him to leave a game early a couple of nights ago.



Need one more from the Blazers tomorrow night take out the Hawks


That's a tough back to back to steal. But yea, a win over ATL and one more win for us before we get curbed by the big boys would be tremendous.
BTW-- I can just tell looking at the way things are lining up  
Leg of Theismann : 5/2/2021 11:16 pm : link
That regular season finale against Boston is gonna be a very important game. If we can't hold our own out West, we're gonna be hanging onto our position by a thread. Gun to my head: I say Knicks, Heat, Hawks may all finish with identical records, and we have the tiebreaker over the Hawks but not the Heat. So that drops us from to the 5 and moves the Heat up to the 4. THEN that game against the Celtics (even though they're 2.5 games behind us their remaining schedule is absolute CAKE) I think has a high likelihood of determining who finishes higher between us and the Celtics. That game not only determines our respective final records, but also determines who will hold the tiebreaker between the 2 clubs. I could even see things being so close in the end that a win that night could give us the 4 seed and home advantage in round 1, while a loss could drop us to 6 (or hopefully not even into the play-in tournament). I think the records between the Knicks, Celtics, Hawks, and Heat COUlD be that close at the end of the season.
RE: wow - didn't see the game but  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2021 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15250920 Del Shofner said:
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some box score.

Hope Noel is OK.


It looked like he just banged his ankle really good. You hit that bone right on the nub and its like electric shock level "ow" and then your whole leg kinda goes numb. I hope thats all it is.

Playing soccer for 2 decades, Im surprised how it didnt happen to me more often from sliding tackles and just getting kicked there (I didnt wear guards with ankle padding). But every once and a while.... BZZZZZZ.
RE: RE: wow - didn't see the game but  
Leg of Theismann : 5/2/2021 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15250973 chopperhatch said:
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some box score.

Hope Noel is OK.



It looked like he just banged his ankle really good. You hit that bone right on the nub and its like electric shock level "ow" and then your whole leg kinda goes numb. I hope thats all it is.

Playing soccer for 2 decades, Im surprised how it didnt happen to me more often from sliding tackles and just getting kicked there (I didnt wear guards with ankle padding). But every once and a while.... BZZZZZZ.


I think Larry said sprained ankle? Not sure where he saw that though. I guess "sprained ankle" could mean any possible amount of time out depending on location and severity of the sprain. Really hope he's back soon-- this road trip could honestly get ugly without him. His rim protection was other-worldly during our win streak. Not surprisingly he led the league in blocks per game in April-- I think by a somewhat substantial margin too.
RE: We really need to beat the Grizzlies  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15250952 Leg of Theismann said:
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And it's gonna suck to have to try to do that w/o Noel.

It honestly shouldn't be legal for us to have to play the Nuggets, Suns, Clippers, and Lakers in 4 straight road games. I'm just hoping we can come out of this road trip still the 4th or 5th seed. We have some cushion at the moment but that could be 4 straight losses right there.

8 Games to play-- I think finishing 3-5 will keep us 4th or 5th. Anything worse than that and it might be dicey. I do NOT want to have to play the Bucks in the 1st round. 3-5 doesn't seem to difficult but if we lose to the Grizzlies it could easily be the 1st of a 5-game losing streak, so we need to be on point tomorrow.

I think 40 wins gets the 4th seed
39 it is going to get tough.
3-5 gets us to 39.
4 wins is tough especially if we don't beat Memphis.

Atlanta 4-3 gets to 39 we have the tie breaker. They have the easiest schedule and could go 5-2 the rest of the way.
Miami same 4-3 gets to 39 and they win the tie breaker. They have bucks , 76ers and the Mavs and 2 against the Celtics.
Boston has to go 5-2 to get to 39 wins but they tough games are Miami and us. That last game is going to be a big game.
Update on Noel from WOj  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 11:28 pm : link
X-rays on sprained left ankle of Knicks center Nerlens Noel were negative and he’ll be evaluated again on Monday, source tells ESPN.
RE: RE: We really need to beat the Grizzlies  
Leg of Theismann : 5/2/2021 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15250978 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15250952 Leg of Theismann said:


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And it's gonna suck to have to try to do that w/o Noel.

It honestly shouldn't be legal for us to have to play the Nuggets, Suns, Clippers, and Lakers in 4 straight road games. I'm just hoping we can come out of this road trip still the 4th or 5th seed. We have some cushion at the moment but that could be 4 straight losses right there.

8 Games to play-- I think finishing 3-5 will keep us 4th or 5th. Anything worse than that and it might be dicey. I do NOT want to have to play the Bucks in the 1st round. 3-5 doesn't seem to difficult but if we lose to the Grizzlies it could easily be the 1st of a 5-game losing streak, so we need to be on point tomorrow.


I think 40 wins gets the 4th seed
39 it is going to get tough.
3-5 gets us to 39.
4 wins is tough especially if we don't beat Memphis.

Atlanta 4-3 gets to 39 we have the tie breaker. They have the easiest schedule and could go 5-2 the rest of the way.
Miami same 4-3 gets to 39 and they win the tie breaker. They have bucks , 76ers and the Mavs and 2 against the Celtics.
Boston has to go 5-2 to get to 39 wins but they tough games are Miami and us. That last game is going to be a big game.


I agree 40 is the real magic number likely. I think that 39 if it includes a win in that final game against the Celtics should still keep us in the 5. 39 without winning that game probably not.

Part of the reason I say that is because:

HAWKS: I personally think the Hawks won't go 5-2... Blazers, Suns, Pacers, Wizards 2x. They lost to the Pacers earlier this season, and the Wizards are playing great right now-- I see them losing at least 1 of the Wizards games, no way the beat Westbrook/Beal twice in a row. I say they finish 4-3 and us going 3-5 puts us a ahead of them w/ the tiebreaker

HEAT: The Heat I could DEFINITELY see finishing 4-3, so they may end up ahead of us.

So it comes down to...

CELTICS: If you pencil in a win against the Celtics right now, it puts us 3.5 games up on them PLUS the tiebreaker. No way they overcome that even if we go 2-5 in our other games. If you pencil in a loss, it's a 1.5 game lead and THEY have the tiebreaker. With their easy schedule the def finish ahead of us.

So yeah, I think 40 is the magic number for sure, but 39 could be the magic number ASSUMING we beat the Celtics, basically.

When I say "magic number"  
Leg of Theismann : 5/2/2021 11:34 pm : link
I mean the win total that gets us the 4 or the 5. I'm honestly fine with the 4 or the 5 (though I'd prefer the 4, due to Covid the home court advantage just doesn't matter as much). If we end up with the 6 it's a whole other story-- Hate the idea of having to beat the Bucks in a 7 game series right off the bat.
FYI with the celtics  
Stu11 : 5/2/2021 11:41 pm : link
In the last minute Jaylen Brown and Tatum collided and both got shaken up. Brown had to be helped to the lockeroom. Tatum came out too but he didn't look as bad as Brown. I'm not worried about all the other teams. I'm just soaking in how great this moment is, enjoying every game. Hopefully we find a way to get a few more wins on thetrip. Catch somebody resting or back to backs.
I agree  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2021 11:51 pm : link

In the end of we take care of business and win 4 games I think we take the 4th seed.
It makes the Memphis game big.
I think we can beat Denver since they play the Lakers in LA right before they play us and it might help. No Noel against denver hurts
Spurs are always tough but should be a Win
Beat Charlotte and Celtics at home.
Clippers, Suns and Lakers is a tough 3 game stretch.
Damn we will be battle tested by playoff time.
Noel getting injured is one of the last things they need right now  
steve in ky : 5/3/2021 7:29 am : link
Hopefully it isn’t too serious
20-8 with rose in the lineup  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2021 7:56 am : link
Randle what more can you say about him?

Rj's next thing he needs to develop is ashot offf the dribble, he is good at the rim, has a little floater and the catch and shoot 3, next will be dribble shot..

Rose has just been awesome and it has been consistent, he is going to be huge come playoff time..

I almost wonder if Thibs feels it is to close to the end of the regular season to bench Payton, he is afraid it is going to have a bad ripple effect, so instead he just cuts the minutes less and less
The Knicks have the same record as the Mavericks  
dpinzow : 5/3/2021 7:58 am : link
and the LA Lakers (36-28)
Memphis is the key game  
Dave on the UWS : 5/3/2021 8:23 am : link
as mentioned above. But coming off this road trip the last team you want to play is the Spurs. As well as they are coached, they can take advantage of a road weary team. I would love to beat the Suns, payback for the only loss recently. Randle AND Barrett weren’t terribly good in that game. The Knicks “can” win any of those road games. It’s just not likely. And they really need to, to prep for a tough playoff series. This team “could” end up 10 games over 500. That’s a 45-50 win level team. They “should” be able to win a playoff series.
Payton was a -2 in a 30 point blowout  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2021 10:13 am : link
+- doesnt always tell the whole story, but being a negative in a 30 point blowout says alot
RE: Payton was a -2 in a 30 point blowout  
larryflower37 : 5/3/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15251288 nygiants16 said:
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+- doesn't always tell the whole story, but being negative in a 30 point blowout says a lot


I don't understand starting him anymore, we get off to a slow start every night and he only gets 6 minutes and a handful in the 3rd.
Especially going into the playoffs.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 10:54 am : link
Now LBJ bitching about play in tourney. STFU LeBron.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15251385 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Now LBJ bitching about play in tourney. STFU LeBron.


Funny because last year he aaid he was a great idea
what's your crunch time 5?  
Enzo : 5/3/2021 11:03 am : link
I like RJ but, assuming Burks is ok, IMO it's gotta be:
Noel, Randle, Burks, Reggie, Rose.

RE: what's your crunch time 5?  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15251410 Enzo said:
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I like RJ but, assuming Burks is ok, IMO it's gotta be:
Noel, Randle, Burks, Reggie, Rose.


I think it depends on who has it going that night..

I think Rose and Randle are locks..

Noel 9 times oit of 10 eill finish..

Burks, Bullock, Rj, will br interchangeable..

I love what Rj has been doing but i like Burks and Bullock off of Randle and Rose
RE: The Knicks have the same record as the Mavericks  
Leg of Theismann : 5/3/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15251077 dpinzow said:
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and the LA Lakers (36-28)


I think the Mavs are the team we're right on par w/ right now. They beat us solidly, then we turned around and beat them solidly. I like our team better though because we're a more complete and less soft team. The main difference w/ them though is they have Luka. I think it makes complete sense we have the same record as them-- it's a good indicator of where we are and exactly how far away we are from competing for a championship.
Play in Tournament  
TyreeHelmet : 5/3/2021 11:23 am : link
Is not going anywhere. It has reduced tanking, added intrigue to a portion of the season that is usually dead and you will have some must watch games from it. I think its a great idea. I just hope the Knicks don't fall to it...

I can't believe the Knicks have a good shot at home court advantage. What a fun year...
for me I'd rather have Quickley  
Enzo : 5/3/2021 11:27 am : link
out there in crunch time than RJ.
RE: for me I'd rather have Quickley  
Leg of Theismann : 5/3/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15251463 Enzo said:
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out there in crunch time than RJ.


Huh? RJ had some super clutch plays during our win streak. There was a streak of like 3 straight games or something where he had at least 1 or 2 baskets in the final minute to decide the game. RJ is clearly the better player and it's not like he randomly goes cold in crunch time. Also it's not like they can't both be out there they play different positions.
Spoke  
DanMetroMan : 5/3/2021 11:53 am : link
to a writer...

-Knicks completely done with Knox. He won't be back next season. Thibs more than once pulled him aside this season (as did other coaches and players) regarding his low energy/effort and he just "get it". Wasn't termed a bad kid, just very low effort and "sleepy".

-Legitimate buzz around the league about the Knicks and Julius Randle in particular. The writer said prior to this season the only players you ever heard interested in coming to the Knicks were aging guys who wanted to play in the NY market/live in the area (Morris for example) or players who hoped to use more minutes in NY as springboards toward better deals/chances. This is different. "I'm not a GM so..." he doesn't think they land a big fish this off-season but will add "more than one" good player this off-season.
RE: RE: for me I'd rather have Quickley  
Enzo : 5/3/2021 11:56 am : link
In comment 15251473 Leg of Theismann said:
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out there in crunch time than RJ.



Huh? RJ had some super clutch plays during our win streak. There was a streak of like 3 straight games or something where he had at least 1 or 2 baskets in the final minute to decide the game. RJ is clearly the better player and it's not like he randomly goes cold in crunch time. Also it's not like they can't both be out there they play different positions.

RJ has had clutch moments but he also still makes quite a few bone-headed turnovers/decisions.

Also, you may think RJ is "clearly the better player", but the stats give the comparison a little more nuance. RJ's counting stats look better because he's playing 15 more mins per game, but Quick has the better TS%, PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP.

I give RJ a ton of credit for playing huge minutes as a 20 year old on what turned out to be a good team, but I'd rather the better ball handler/shooter be out there with the game on the line.

Knox is owed  
Enzo : 5/3/2021 12:02 pm : link
$5.8 million for next year. Seems unlikely they just cut him and eat the money, but that may be their best option.

RE: Spoke  
TyreeHelmet : 5/3/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15251515 DanMetroMan said:
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to a writer...

-Knicks completely done with Knox. He won't be back next season. Thibs more than once pulled him aside this season (as did other coaches and players) regarding his low energy/effort and he just "get it". Wasn't termed a bad kid, just very low effort and "sleepy".

-Legitimate buzz around the league about the Knicks and Julius Randle in particular. The writer said prior to this season the only players you ever heard interested in coming to the Knicks were aging guys who wanted to play in the NY market/live in the area (Morris for example) or players who hoped to use more minutes in NY as springboards toward better deals/chances. This is different. "I'm not a GM so..." he doesn't think they land a big fish this off-season but will add "more than one" good player this off-season.


That Knox pick was brutal- especially when you look at the 3 players picked behind him- Bridges, SGA, Bridges.

I thought Porter Jr had a chance coming into the draft to be a great nba player but I can't blame the Knicks for passing on him. They simply couldn't afford to take that risk. But missing out on those 3 and getting a player that provides zero production in that draft spot is rough.

RE: RE: Spoke  
Leg of Theismann : 5/3/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15251551 TyreeHelmet said:
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to a writer...

-Knicks completely done with Knox. He won't be back next season. Thibs more than once pulled him aside this season (as did other coaches and players) regarding his low energy/effort and he just "get it". Wasn't termed a bad kid, just very low effort and "sleepy".

-Legitimate buzz around the league about the Knicks and Julius Randle in particular. The writer said prior to this season the only players you ever heard interested in coming to the Knicks were aging guys who wanted to play in the NY market/live in the area (Morris for example) or players who hoped to use more minutes in NY as springboards toward better deals/chances. This is different. "I'm not a GM so..." he doesn't think they land a big fish this off-season but will add "more than one" good player this off-season.



That Knox pick was brutal- especially when you look at the 3 players picked behind him- Bridges, SGA, Bridges.

I thought Porter Jr had a chance coming into the draft to be a great nba player but I can't blame the Knicks for passing on him. They simply couldn't afford to take that risk. But missing out on those 3 and getting a player that provides zero production in that draft spot is rough.


Well nothing new with the Knicks honestly. You don't suck for 20 years without completely missing on quite a few relatively high 1st round picks. And RJ was the presumptive #3 overall so it's great he's turned out to be good but honestly not a super impressive "choice" by the Knicks. I'm hoping finding Quickley wasn't one of those blind squirrels / broken clock type things. Because honestly when have they ever had a choice between several guys in the 1st round and made the right choice? Still worries me going forward but hopefully things have turned around.
RE: RE: Spoke  
adamg : 5/3/2021 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15251551 TyreeHelmet said:
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to a writer...

-Knicks completely done with Knox. He won't be back next season. Thibs more than once pulled him aside this season (as did other coaches and players) regarding his low energy/effort and he just "get it". Wasn't termed a bad kid, just very low effort and "sleepy".

-Legitimate buzz around the league about the Knicks and Julius Randle in particular. The writer said prior to this season the only players you ever heard interested in coming to the Knicks were aging guys who wanted to play in the NY market/live in the area (Morris for example) or players who hoped to use more minutes in NY as springboards toward better deals/chances. This is different. "I'm not a GM so..." he doesn't think they land a big fish this off-season but will add "more than one" good player this off-season.



That Knox pick was brutal- especially when you look at the 3 players picked behind him- Bridges, SGA, Bridges.

I thought Porter Jr had a chance coming into the draft to be a great nba player but I can't blame the Knicks for passing on him. They simply couldn't afford to take that risk. But missing out on those 3 and getting a player that provides zero production in that draft spot is rough.


Why couldn't they take the risk? This was a team that needed to take some risks. Now maybe not. But then?
Luka Bitchtits  
Bricktop : 5/3/2021 1:09 pm : link
Ejected last night for whining to the refs again. Leads the league in T's. For such a great talent, he's equally unlikable.
RE: RE: The Knicks have the same record as the Mavericks  
Leg of Theismann : 5/3/2021 1:23 pm : link
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and the LA Lakers (36-28)



I think the Mavs are the team we're right on par w/ right now. They beat us solidly, then we turned around and beat them solidly. I like our team better though because we're a more complete and less soft team. The main difference w/ them though is they have Luka. I think it makes complete sense we have the same record as them-- it's a good indicator of where we are and exactly how far away we are from competing for a championship.


One thing I'll add to this: Even though I think we're on the same level as the Mavs, I actually think we're technically closer to competing for a title than they are as far as attainability of the missing pieces goes. What I mean by that: The Mavs have a top 5 superstar in Luka, which is what you need to win a title, but on the whole their team is just soft and I see a lot of holes all over the place w/ them. With the Knicks, the piece we're missing is that top 5 talent, but honestly the rest of the team is super solid. Of course we have holes, but they're holes that can be filled especially w/ the amount of cap space and draft picks we have. We're bound to get a "big fish" at some point especially w/ the Knicks being a franchise FAs suddenly want to come to now (credit Thibs and Randle for instilling such a solid and attractive culture literally seemingly OVERNIGHT-- wow).

Luka is going to need a lot more help before he's gonna be able to win a title (not saying he can't take a team deep in the playoffs, but winning a title is another story). If the Knicks are just a superstar + a couple other pieces away, that's super attainable IMO.
RE: RE: RE: Spoke  
TyreeHelmet : 5/3/2021 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15251682 adamg said:
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to a writer...

-Knicks completely done with Knox. He won't be back next season. Thibs more than once pulled him aside this season (as did other coaches and players) regarding his low energy/effort and he just "get it". Wasn't termed a bad kid, just very low effort and "sleepy".

-Legitimate buzz around the league about the Knicks and Julius Randle in particular. The writer said prior to this season the only players you ever heard interested in coming to the Knicks were aging guys who wanted to play in the NY market/live in the area (Morris for example) or players who hoped to use more minutes in NY as springboards toward better deals/chances. This is different. "I'm not a GM so..." he doesn't think they land a big fish this off-season but will add "more than one" good player this off-season.



That Knox pick was brutal- especially when you look at the 3 players picked behind him- Bridges, SGA, Bridges.

I thought Porter Jr had a chance coming into the draft to be a great nba player but I can't blame the Knicks for passing on him. They simply couldn't afford to take that risk. But missing out on those 3 and getting a player that provides zero production in that draft spot is rough.




Why couldn't they take the risk? This was a team that needed to take some risks. Now maybe not. But then?


Because as he was a massive injury risk and the Knicks didn't have the luxury to take that risk. 13 teams passed on him for a reason... and without that injury risk- he easily could have gone number 1.

But hey turns out the Knicks got zero out of that pick and should have rolled the dice on Porter.
Sounds like restrictions  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2021 2:02 pm : link
being lifted in NY on May 19th, wonder how this will effect the Garden..
RE: Sounds like restrictions  
Enzo : 5/3/2021 2:10 pm : link
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being lifted in NY on May 19th, wonder how this will effect the Garden..

"Large-Scale Indoor Venue Capacity Increases to 30% and Large-Scale Outdoor Venue Capacity Increases to 33% on May 19, Proof of Vaccination or Recent Negative Test Still Required in New York"
RE: RE: Sounds like restrictions  
nygiants16 : 5/3/2021 2:19 pm : link
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being lifted in NY on May 19th, wonder how this will effect the Garden..


"Large-Scale Indoor Venue Capacity Increases to 30% and Large-Scale Outdoor Venue Capacity Increases to 33% on May 19, Proof of Vaccination or Recent Negative Test Still Required in New York"


alright didnt see that part, thank you..

I jist saw no restrictions for indoor other than have to social distance 6 feet and have to wear masks
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