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Slayton or Shepard?

adamg : 5/2/2021 6:26 pm
Picture this... it's 1st and 10

Golladay outside
Toney in the slot
Engram on the line
Barkley in the backfield

Do you prefer Shep or Slayton as the other outside receiver?

I'm leaning Slayton just for big play potential. That is an exciting skills group.

Who do you take?
Rudolph  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 5/2/2021 6:30 pm : link
2 TEs on first with Engram and or Toney in motion.
Slayton is going to be outside guy  
chopperhatch : 5/2/2021 6:33 pm : link
And Shep is going to be in the slot more often than not. Toney is going to be all over the place, in the backfield, motioning from the other slot when we go 4 wide.
Both of these guys seemed injured last year, but  
aGiantGuy : 5/2/2021 6:42 pm : link
It was very telling to me when Darius Slay chose to shadow Slayton and not Shepard
RE: Slayton is going to be outside guy  
eric2425ny : 5/2/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15250681 chopperhatch said:
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And Shep is going to be in the slot more often than not. Toney is going to be all over the place, in the backfield, motioning from the other slot when we go 4 wide.


This, I bet he plays more third downs than Barkley at RB. Especially early in the season when Barkley is on a pitch count.
Slayton  
HomerJones45 : 5/2/2021 6:53 pm : link
Shepard is not the future and will be gone after the season ends.
Depends on down and distance IMO.....  
Simms11 : 5/2/2021 6:55 pm : link
Shep is a good short, intermediate passing game target. If it’s 3rd and 4 or less, Shep, if it’s 3 and long, Slayton.
I also think they’ll have to mix it up....  
Simms11 : 5/2/2021 6:57 pm : link
I could see both Shep and Slayton outside. We could also see more 4 WR sets too.
I think we'll see a lot of different looks. Having 4 good wideouts, 2  
Ira : 5/2/2021 7:03 pm : link
good receiving te's and a good receiving back gives us a lot of flexibility and makes it easy to adjust to defensive weaknesses.
RE: Slayton  
Big Blue '56 : 5/2/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15250702 HomerJones45 said:
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Shepard is not the future and will be gone after the season ends.


Gene, your thoughts on the draft (on paper)
Rather obvious  
Giant John : 5/2/2021 7:33 pm : link
I’d say.
RE: Depends on down and distance IMO.....  
giantstock : 5/2/2021 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15250708 Simms11 said:
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Shep is a good short, intermediate passing game target. If it’s 3rd and 4 or less, Shep, if it’s 3 and long, Slayton.


+1
Fixed  
Trainmaster : 5/2/2021 7:43 pm : link
Picture this... it's 1st and 10

Golladay outside
Toney in the slot
Rudolph at tight end
Ross as the other outside receiver

Barkley in the backfield
Engram on the unemployment line
Slayton  
mittenedman : 5/2/2021 7:46 pm : link
has proven to be in over his head as the #1 - but put him on the "backside" working 1on1 against the other team's #2 CB, and he can hurt you.
I'll take the one...  
Jim in Tampa : 5/2/2021 7:52 pm : link
who's not out with an injury.

;>)
Toney should almost never be lined up in the slot or outside...  
MarvelousMike : 5/2/2021 8:07 pm : link
this season. He should in motion whenever he is on the field. The other place may be in as RB on 3rd downs.
Toney just might be ...  
Manny in CA : 5/2/2021 8:38 pm : link

The next Anquan Boldin. He's not a flyer, so he's not going outside - slot is where he belongs ...

Catching the slant routes, then leaving a trail of would-be tacklers in his wake.
Shep for our first 10 passes, including  
CT Charlie : 5/2/2021 9:44 pm : link
plenty of deep routes. Once the DB is tired, send in Slayton to burn him long.
RE: I'll take the one...  
Chocco : 5/2/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15250753 Jim in Tampa said:
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who's not out with an injury.

;>)

^ This
How many times have the WRs been short due to injuries the past couple years. The depth this year should help when 1 or 2 of them are out
RE: Toney just might be ...  
Breeze_94 : 5/3/2021 12:13 am : link
In comment 15250793 Manny in CA said:
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The next Anquan Boldin. He's not a flyer, so he's not going outside - slot is where he belongs ...

Catching the slant routes, then leaving a trail of would-be tacklers in his wake.


Toney ran in the 4.3's at his pro day and Boldin was a 4.7 guy. On film, Toney is the quickest player on the field and it's not even close. Also beat guys deep by just running by them (see the SEC championship game)
RE: Toney should almost never be lined up in the slot or outside...  
Breeze_94 : 5/3/2021 12:16 am : link
In comment 15250764 MarvelousMike said:
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this season. He should in motion whenever he is on the field. The other place may be in as RB on 3rd downs.


So a gadget player? I highly doubt the Giants took Toney to play the Lucky Whitehead role in Garrets offense
Had an athleticism score of 99  
BSIMatt : 5/3/2021 12:31 am : link
Highest in draft class/tied with Chase.

27 receptions his senior year over 15 yards, tied for 6th nationally. He can separate and get vertical, and he can work underneath and force missed tackles and get yac.

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Get the ball in Kadarius Toney’s hands, and good things happen. The 6-foot, 193-pound Florida product is one of two receivers in this class that ranked inside the 90th percentile for both yards after the catch per reception (8.77) and forced missed tackles per reception (0.358). In fact, no Power 5 wideout with 100-plus receptions over the past seven collegiate seasons (2014-20) has forced more missed tackles per reception than Toney.


Given that he seems to be a late bloomer it’s probably wrong to pigeonhole what his upside might be.
And one more from Giants wr coach  
BSIMatt : 5/3/2021 12:52 am : link
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“He’s capable of playing outside receiver. He will play outside receiver. And he’s been told he’ll play outside receiver,” Tolbert said. “Just like with Kenny Golladay now, we’re teaching him the concept of everything so wherever they line up they’ll know what to do and won’t be pegged as an inside or outside guy.
“There are some guys who have skills to be more productive as an outside or inside,” Tolbert added. “But the good thing about KT is the fact he can do both at a really high level.”
Toney has an RB attitude ....  
Manny in CA : 5/3/2021 1:14 am : link

Which is great to see; he's not going down without a fight. I'm impressed.
I feel like Slayton  
Leg of Theismann : 5/3/2021 4:14 am : link
Is the most underrated guy on our entire team tbh. He’s going into his 3rd year and he’s been impressive as soon as he stepped on the field in a giant uniform. AND he has amazing speed. At times he’s been Jones’s favorite target. I don’t think he has #1 outside WR ability but he did a decent job of holding his own w/ that role. NOW that you add Golladay, Toney, Rudolph, and Barkley comes back? I think we’re going to see Slayton explode, because he’s going to be in the role that suits him best. I personally didn’t think we had a super glaring “need” anymore at WR once we signed Golladay, but I’m still ecstatic we took Toney because we need DIFFERENCE MAKERS regardless of position. Now I think we’ve turned a weakness into a strength— we have a lethal set of offensive weapons and I think it’s the PERFECT mix of different types of weapons.

I think Shep is a solid 2/3 option as well, but again for that to be showcased he needs this additional help that’s coming in because he’s he’s just NOT #1 material. He’s the type of guy who I think would be the #3/slot WR on a super bowl caliber team— do the fact we’re talking about him as possibly the #4 guy makes me very happy.

Sorry I went off in a tangent lol. To answer your question— I think Slayton will be the 2nd WR on the field most snaps, certainly the #2 outside receiver, but I don’t necessarily classify shep as the any specific # of receiver— he could be anywhere from #4 to #2 depending on the play/situation/formation
don't sleep on John Ross :-0  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2021 7:32 am : link
another guy who can clear out some spaces and get deep.

They have a lot of options now. Will depend on the situation, down and distance.
I keep reading  
mittenedman : 5/3/2021 7:59 am : link
this BS that Toney isn't fast.

He ran in the 4.3's - he can fly. Do people just make stuff up or can they really not tell that he's fast?
I expect to see some  
PEEJ : 5/3/2021 8:03 am : link
"wildcat" plays
Victor in Ct......I thought the same words....  
BCD : 5/3/2021 11:59 am : link
don't sleep on John Ross :-0 ....when I saw this post...great minds think alike...am a CT cat too...Bridgeport
RE: don't sleep on John Ross :-0  
HMunster : 5/3/2021 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15251062 Victor in CT said:
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another guy who can clear out some spaces and get deep.

They have a lot of options now. Will depend on the situation, down and distance.

Or Pio!

Sorry - I couldn't help myself.
RE: I keep reading  
Leg of Theismann : 5/3/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15251078 mittenedman said:
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this BS that Toney isn't fast.

He ran in the 4.3's - he can fly. Do people just make stuff up or can they really not tell that he's fast?


Great point-- he can absolutely fly. I think what happened is there's literally like one clip of him getting chased down from behind and people immediately said "oh he's not a burner like Tyreek Hill, he's not the fastest, etc.".... Like okay 1) NO ONE is as fast as Tyreek Hill, that fact doesn't make ANYONE slow lol, but ... 2) We do sometimes see the fastest of the fastest get chased down sometimes. For instance, I think in the clip where Toney gets chased down-- he gets a little tripped up and THEN he starts to approach his top speed, while meanwhile the corner chasing him already has a head of steam in his chase-down. It's amazing in fact Toney doesn't get chased down faster in the clip-- but what happens is the corner just reaches his top speed before Toney does because he started running unimpeded earlier, so he gets a chance to chase him down. I'm not necessarily convinced that corner could beat Toney in a straight-up foot race (and even if he could, there are just not THAT many dudes who can run sub 4.4, even in the NFL).
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