admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
definitely seemed a bit smoother in his routes. But Toney seems a bit more sudden with his stop and go, but more of a choppy athlete like an Antonio Brown type
reminds me of Barkley. They can both go from full speed to a complete stop instantly. Both have incredible vision and change of direction skills, so much so that defenders who are just a few feet away often whiff completely.
when OBJ was really good with NYG? Or does he appear to be better? I think he is a little faster than OBJ.
My memory ain't what it used to be.
He doesn't have the long speed that OBJ had. OBJ could take a slant to get house. Not sure about his hands yet either, but I'm sure he's not the one-handed dynamic pass catcher that OBJ was either. He's different in that he's twitchy quick and can juke his way for nice chunks of yards.
Is gonna move the sticks often and break a bug one every once in a while. I'm excited, this is electric.
I agree completely. I think comparing Toney to Smith is somewhat apples to oranges. Smith is the more advanced pure WR. But Toney is a quadruple threat - WR, RB, returner and occasional QB on trick plays. I am happy to have him on board and look forward to the season.
admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
At 5'11" had the wingspan and hand size of a 6'4" man.
OBJ was, as you said, real fluid, and sudden and fast out of his breaks.
Toney has some smoothness in his change of direction with the ball in his hands, but he seems to be slippery, too, where would be tacklers can't size him up properly because he just wiggles out of it or simply runs through the tackle.
I see Toney's speed gets dinged here a lot. See the long TD against Alabama. He's really fast. Tested 4.39 Pro Day so he's probably around a 4.45 guy laser, which is plenty fast.
Antonio Brown ran above a 4.5 at his Pro Day. Like Toney, you could run the ball with Brown because of his elite agility. That is Toney's greatest strength.
And while Toney doesn't have elite hand size, it's above average for the position at 9.5".
When the ball is in the air, Toney is real competitive and strong. Just his combination of physicality, agility, ball skills, and YAC ability, I think that Antonio Brown is about as near-perfect of a comp as you can get.
And I'll take that. I hope he has as much on field success as Brown.
admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
At 5'11" had the wingspan and hand size of a 6'4" man.
OBJ was, as you said, real fluid, and sudden and fast out of his breaks.
Toney has some smoothness in his change of direction with the ball in his hands, but he seems to be slippery, too, where would be tacklers can't size him up properly because he just wiggles out of it or simply runs through the tackle.
I see Toney's speed gets dinged here a lot. See the long TD against Alabama. He's really fast. Tested 4.39 Pro Day so he's probably around a 4.45 guy laser, which is plenty fast.
Antonio Brown ran above a 4.5 at his Pro Day. Like Toney, you could run the ball with Brown because of his elite agility. That is Toney's greatest strength.
And while Toney doesn't have elite hand size, it's above average for the position at 9.5".
When the ball is in the air, Toney is real competitive and strong. Just his combination of physicality, agility, ball skills, and YAC ability, I think that Antonio Brown is about as near-perfect of a comp as you can get.
And I'll take that. I hope he has as much on field success as Brown.
Better Brown than Odell. Odell in his heyday wasn't as good as Brown.
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
Yep, Antonio Brown is like that. You can catch him but he is basically uncoverable in short space.
when OBJ was really good with NYG? Or does he appear to be better? I think he is a little faster than OBJ.
My memory ain't what it used to be.
Odell was absolutely incredible in the open field prior to his injury. Those 5th gear cuts he’d make were almost physically impossible for a human to pull off. Toney is a different kind of ridiculous athlete, but he does share the young OBJ full speed insane cutting ability and balance that could make him a special playmaker
and those 2 were unbelievable. He really is reminiscent of AB in a lot of ways, though I'd say earlier career AB before he became a lethal route runner when he was considered an anti-diva and great special teamer.
That is who he reminds me of as well. Quick cutting and able to create separation. He has the skill set to give us the coveted YAC that this team needs. He is also new to the position so it does line up with Judge's belief that this guy might not be topped out and still has room to grow.
If he is able to do what we see him do in college in the NFL and also continue develop and polish - then we got an absolute steal of the draft.
I was in the pro Smith camp in the draft and I actually did not want Waddle at 11. I was sooo happy with the trade down once Smith was off the board and I think Toney has equal chance of being a great WR as Waddle - so the value of this player at 20 and getting a draft picks - I like it A LOT.
After hearing him in interviews I can see why Judge likes him, even though he seems a little edgy with branding already (which can turned into a dangerous flaw) he made it very clear he is a football first kind of a guy. He came off as a team first instead of a me first kind of guy.
AB and OBJ were also hardworking when it came to football field and training and AB grew into the total ass off the field he is today. I hope Judge and the Giants have plan to keep players focused on the game and the community. This statement is not to be directed at Toney specifically because I do not know him personally and I am not going to the judge the kid.
The NFL as a whole as a lot players who get to the NFL and their ego's grow while their image explodes and money pile grows - Keeping them grounded a bit is good for the player and good for the team. Its what separates the Larry Fitzgerald(s) from the Antonio Brown(s). Some player need more help in that category than others.
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
Noticed this too. Similar to Barkley in that respect. But he is super quick and explosive moving laterally.
A lot of guys he likes are more clay than polished vase. It might take a little more vision than we usually use to appreciate several of these picks, including Toney. Instead of his highlight reel, we should have a year 2 or 3 foresight reel.
RE: What's the one thing that Judge always stresses?
A lot of guys he likes are more clay than polished vase. It might take a little more vision than we usually use to appreciate several of these picks, including Toney. Instead of his highlight reel, we should have a year 2 or 3 foresight reel.
I think that's exactly what you see in his highlight reels. You see the talent, the short area quickness, lateral movement, wide field of vision and speed. But you also see the areas of improvement. The rounded turns, imprecise route running, the stopping on plays that aren't designed for him, etc. That's the growth and the clay that can be molded.
man that youtube video with the music and all gets you hyped up
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
I would agree with this. But, one thing that he has over Waddle is that he is also really physical. Waddle flies but this guy will run through arm tackles and lower his shoulder, despite not being a big guy. We didn't see that from Waddle (maybe because no one got close enough for him to hit lol).
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
Yep, Antonio Brown is like that. You can catch him but he is basically uncoverable in short space.
I'd rather have a player who can get open for the 1st down but is caught sometimes on breakaways than a player whose only move is to burn you deep with his speed.
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
Yep, Antonio Brown is like that. You can catch him but he is basically uncoverable in short space.
I'd rather have a player who can get open for the 1st down but is caught sometimes on breakaways than a player whose only move is to burn you deep with his speed.
I am right there with you on this. Its easier for a defense to account for speed than elusiveness.
think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
This is based on one clip of him in that highlight reel being caught from behind, isn't it? I think sometimes guys are caught from behind for different reasons, I mean sometimes you do even see the fastest guys get caught (I think Tyreek Hill is maybe the ONLY exception). In that clip, he breaks a tackle and stumbles for 10 yards and then he puts on the jets-- but the corner who is chasing him has a head of steam and starts sprinting earlier than Toney. I think because of that the corner hits his top speed earlier than Toney and catches him. But who knows if they both ran a foot race from a stand-still I'm not convinced that was indication that corner could beat him (not that I'm saying NO ONE could beat Toney in a foot race, I'm just saying getting chased down on ONE play doesn't mean a guy doesn't play as fast as he times-- from what I've seen he plays pretty damn fast and had numerous home-run plays). You're gonna get chased down sometimes when you're stopping and cutting to avoid 10 different defenders while a guy is sprinting at you full speed behind you unimpeded, is my point.
His acceleration I think is elite/top-notch. I think his acceleration is a 10, while his top speed is maybe a 9 -- which is still awesome, but sure he might get caught from behind by the 9.5s and 10s (or for different reasons that I mentioned above-- sometimes the physics just aren't in your favor).
His quickness/elusiveness is about an 11... same w/ his contact balance given his size.
I was reading that he would throw too many moves at the DB to get free at the LOS at times in Florida. Stuff like that makes it hard for the QB to be on the same page as you.
If he’s able to combine his special change of direction movements with precise route running, he becomes a 1st down machine. But the Giants coaches really need to make sure he learns how to be efficient and reliable in running routes so Jones can develop good chemistry and timing with him.
In college, his quickness and change of direction was so superior to the vast majority of his opponents that he could use it to make multiple LOS moves and then break open. He will quickly learn that this doesn't work against pro-level talent, and he isn't stupid, so he will listen to his coaches and use his change of direction where it is likely to work--in the open field.
Btw, I am intrigued to see if they ever use Toney coming out of the backfield. Obviously, he is unlikely to block like a "real" RB, but there might be situations where he can be used--screens, reverses, wide runs, and even throwing an option pass, since he has a college qb's arm. In a 2-back situation, the other back can take care of the pass blocking part.
he caught 83% of his targets so he couldn't have been too off script
I was in the category of people that hadn't paid too much attention to Toney expecting they'd stay away from anyone with flags off the field but given a closer look his performance last year seems misrepresented by some scouting reports. My immediate reaction to this pick was "why not Elijah Moore?" but upon reflection I get it.
he had 84 targets in 11 games, which was more than double the targets of the next closest Gators WR while catching 70/84 (very impressive). Trask attempted 437 passes so Toney basically got a 20% target share.
By comparison "QB's best friend" TE Kyle Pitts had 67 targets and 43 receptions in 8 games (64% catch rate). Notably Pitts did have the higher ypc (17.9 vs. 14.1) which perhaps explains that he was more of a downfield target. So Pitts got targeted slightly more than Toney and did more damage down field but with overall lower efficiency. Yes I would still obviously take Pitts over Toney because of his rare ability at that size, just pointing out the incongruity of Toney's reliability being considered on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Back to Toney his 70 receptions / 11 games = 6.3 receptions per game. prorated out to a 16 game schedule that's 101 catches (there aren't too many unreliable Wrs I can think of who have caught 100 balls?)
Also notable is that Toney had another 161 yards on 19 rush attempts. So his full season non-ST totals were:
11 games, 89 touches, 1145 yards, 11 touchdowns
Last notable thing, his last 3 games were each the 3 best games of his career, 2 of them vs. LSU and BAMA. That streak was almost each of the last 5 games but it looks like they didn't need him as much in a blowout vs. Kentucky. So if there had been another 5 games in the season his numbers may have trended even better than the prorated numbers. His best game was the LSU game with Pitts not playing (highlights linked below).
I can very much understand why Urban Meyer was targeting him. He is extremely Percy Harvin-esque (drafted 22 overall). His receiving production this past year was better than Harvin's best year at UF, though Harvin had been utilized more as a RB and played in an offense with a lot less passing attempts (Tebow). Kadarius Toney 2020 Game Highlights vs LSU | CFB - ( New Window )
admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
I was in the category of people that hadn't paid too much attention to Toney expecting they'd stay away from anyone with flags off the field but given a closer look his performance last year seems misrepresented by some scouting reports. My immediate reaction to this pick was "why not Elijah Moore?" but upon reflection I get it.
he had 84 targets in 11 games, which was more than double the targets of the next closest Gators WR while catching 70/84 (very impressive). Trask attempted 437 passes so Toney basically got a 20% target share.
By comparison "QB's best friend" TE Kyle Pitts had 67 targets and 43 receptions in 8 games (64% catch rate). Notably Pitts did have the higher ypc (17.9 vs. 14.1) which perhaps explains that he was more of a downfield target. So Pitts got targeted slightly more than Toney and did more damage down field but with overall lower efficiency. Yes I would still obviously take Pitts over Toney because of his rare ability at that size, just pointing out the incongruity of Toney's reliability being considered on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Back to Toney his 70 receptions / 11 games = 6.3 receptions per game. prorated out to a 16 game schedule that's 101 catches (there aren't too many unreliable Wrs I can think of who have caught 100 balls?)
Also notable is that Toney had another 161 yards on 19 rush attempts. So his full season non-ST totals were:
11 games, 89 touches, 1145 yards, 11 touchdowns
Last notable thing, his last 3 games were each the 3 best games of his career, 2 of them vs. LSU and BAMA. That streak was almost each of the last 5 games but it looks like they didn't need him as much in a blowout vs. Kentucky. So if there had been another 5 games in the season his numbers may have trended even better than the prorated numbers. His best game was the LSU game with Pitts not playing (highlights linked below).
I can very much understand why Urban Meyer was targeting him. He is extremely Percy Harvin-esque (drafted 22 overall). His receiving production this past year was better than Harvin's best year at UF, though Harvin had been utilized more as a RB and played in an offense with a lot less passing attempts (Tebow). Kadarius Toney 2020 Game Highlights vs LSU | CFB - ( New Window )
83% Catch Rate is pretty damn impressive and hard to argue with. But the "dances too much at the LOS" criticism is stuff I was reading from Gators fans who watched him play. Maybe they were referring to his previous seasons when he wasn't nearly as impactful.
He has A+ explosive cutting ability, there are very few guys in the NFL who move like he moves. I think he has a chance to be a very valuable offensive weapon but especially as a slot WR.
But he was a prospect who got a ton of mixed reviews for a reason. He's just a strange player who will need to be put in the right spot to succeed. Luckily, I feel confident in Judge and think the Giants could be a good fit.
At the very least Toney will be a ST star returner. That alone if he
stays healthy gives him a moderate # of touches from season opener. As he learns all the other “stuff” that people have talked about he will integrate into the offense in a self/coordinator designed position. His usefulness and stardom in blue depends a great deal on the players work, and how creative the coaching staff can be in designing a position for him.
We’ll see it all.
Robbie I can see the dancing / reversing field too much
in the extended game by game videos. He is one of those guys who believes he can make everyone miss and just keeps trying to rip off a big play even when one isn't there (although he did that vs. Vandy and almost turned a negative play into a house call). Both Saquon and Beckham had that too early on (some would probably still say Saquon does it). Most elite 'make you miss' players seemingly have to learn that lesson the hard way in the NFL because that's the only level where it stops working for them.
I've just been significantly more pleasantly surprised by how natural he looks as a receiver relative to some of those first scouting reports.
Completes a pass...
To himself.
My memory ain't what it used to be.
My memory ain't what it used to be.
He doesn't have the long speed that OBJ had. OBJ could take a slant to get house. Not sure about his hands yet either, but I'm sure he's not the one-handed dynamic pass catcher that OBJ was either. He's different in that he's twitchy quick and can juke his way for nice chunks of yards.
This guy* is electric
I agree completely. I think comparing Toney to Smith is somewhat apples to oranges. Smith is the more advanced pure WR. But Toney is a quadruple threat - WR, RB, returner and occasional QB on trick plays. I am happy to have him on board and look forward to the season.
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
OBJ was, as you said, real fluid, and sudden and fast out of his breaks.
Toney has some smoothness in his change of direction with the ball in his hands, but he seems to be slippery, too, where would be tacklers can't size him up properly because he just wiggles out of it or simply runs through the tackle.
I see Toney's speed gets dinged here a lot. See the long TD against Alabama. He's really fast. Tested 4.39 Pro Day so he's probably around a 4.45 guy laser, which is plenty fast.
Antonio Brown ran above a 4.5 at his Pro Day. Like Toney, you could run the ball with Brown because of his elite agility. That is Toney's greatest strength.
And while Toney doesn't have elite hand size, it's above average for the position at 9.5".
When the ball is in the air, Toney is real competitive and strong. Just his combination of physicality, agility, ball skills, and YAC ability, I think that Antonio Brown is about as near-perfect of a comp as you can get.
And I'll take that. I hope he has as much on field success as Brown.
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admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
For those interested
Ole Miss
https://youtu.be/iboPcTA9M1k
Vanderbilt
[Url]https://youtu.be/mzeUpeVqrG0[/url]
LSU
[Url]https://youtu.be/GnRf1dWCfwI[/url]
Mizzou
[Url]https://youtu.be/bK_gpmjbtQ4[/url]
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admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
For those interested
Ole Miss
https://youtu.be/iboPcTA9M1k
Vanderbilt
[Url]https://youtu.be/mzeUpeVqrG0[/url]
LSU
[Url]https://youtu.be/GnRf1dWCfwI[/url]
Mizzou
[Url]https://youtu.be/bK_gpmjbtQ4[/url]
Fixed
Ole Miss
https://youtu.be/iboPcTA9M1k
Vanderbilt
https://youtu.be/mzeUpeVqrG0
LSU
https://youtu.be/GnRf1dWCfwI
Mizzou
https://youtu.be/bK_gpmjbtQ4
This sounds crazy but he seems like a modern day version of Frank Gifford. Gifford both received and rushed, and threw the occasional pass.
Different world today for sure, so don't shoot me.
OBJ was, as you said, real fluid, and sudden and fast out of his breaks.
Toney has some smoothness in his change of direction with the ball in his hands, but he seems to be slippery, too, where would be tacklers can't size him up properly because he just wiggles out of it or simply runs through the tackle.
I see Toney's speed gets dinged here a lot. See the long TD against Alabama. He's really fast. Tested 4.39 Pro Day so he's probably around a 4.45 guy laser, which is plenty fast.
Antonio Brown ran above a 4.5 at his Pro Day. Like Toney, you could run the ball with Brown because of his elite agility. That is Toney's greatest strength.
And while Toney doesn't have elite hand size, it's above average for the position at 9.5".
When the ball is in the air, Toney is real competitive and strong. Just his combination of physicality, agility, ball skills, and YAC ability, I think that Antonio Brown is about as near-perfect of a comp as you can get.
And I'll take that. I hope he has as much on field success as Brown.
Better Brown than Odell. Odell in his heyday wasn't as good as Brown.
Yep, Antonio Brown is like that. You can catch him but he is basically uncoverable in short space.
My memory ain't what it used to be.
That is who he reminds me of as well. Quick cutting and able to create separation. He has the skill set to give us the coveted YAC that this team needs. He is also new to the position so it does line up with Judge's belief that this guy might not be topped out and still has room to grow.
If he is able to do what we see him do in college in the NFL and also continue develop and polish - then we got an absolute steal of the draft.
I was in the pro Smith camp in the draft and I actually did not want Waddle at 11. I was sooo happy with the trade down once Smith was off the board and I think Toney has equal chance of being a great WR as Waddle - so the value of this player at 20 and getting a draft picks - I like it A LOT.
After hearing him in interviews I can see why Judge likes him, even though he seems a little edgy with branding already (which can turned into a dangerous flaw) he made it very clear he is a football first kind of a guy. He came off as a team first instead of a me first kind of guy.
AB and OBJ were also hardworking when it came to football field and training and AB grew into the total ass off the field he is today. I hope Judge and the Giants have plan to keep players focused on the game and the community. This statement is not to be directed at Toney specifically because I do not know him personally and I am not going to the judge the kid.
The NFL as a whole as a lot players who get to the NFL and their ego's grow while their image explodes and money pile grows - Keeping them grounded a bit is good for the player and good for the team. Its what separates the Larry Fitzgerald(s) from the Antonio Brown(s). Some player need more help in that category than others.
Noticed this too. Similar to Barkley in that respect. But he is super quick and explosive moving laterally.
A lot of guys he likes are more clay than polished vase. It might take a little more vision than we usually use to appreciate several of these picks, including Toney. Instead of his highlight reel, we should have a year 2 or 3 foresight reel.
A lot of guys he likes are more clay than polished vase. It might take a little more vision than we usually use to appreciate several of these picks, including Toney. Instead of his highlight reel, we should have a year 2 or 3 foresight reel.
I think that's exactly what you see in his highlight reels. You see the talent, the short area quickness, lateral movement, wide field of vision and speed. But you also see the areas of improvement. The rounded turns, imprecise route running, the stopping on plays that aren't designed for him, etc. That's the growth and the clay that can be molded.
I would agree with this. But, one thing that he has over Waddle is that he is also really physical. Waddle flies but this guy will run through arm tackles and lower his shoulder, despite not being a big guy. We didn't see that from Waddle (maybe because no one got close enough for him to hit lol).
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think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
Yep, Antonio Brown is like that. You can catch him but he is basically uncoverable in short space.
I'd rather have a player who can get open for the 1st down but is caught sometimes on breakaways than a player whose only move is to burn you deep with his speed.
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think Toney plays as fast as he times. You see him getting caught from behind. If Waddle has a step on you, he's gone. Toney is not like that. But his moves are incredible.
Yep, Antonio Brown is like that. You can catch him but he is basically uncoverable in short space.
I'd rather have a player who can get open for the 1st down but is caught sometimes on breakaways than a player whose only move is to burn you deep with his speed.
I am right there with you on this. Its easier for a defense to account for speed than elusiveness.
This is based on one clip of him in that highlight reel being caught from behind, isn't it? I think sometimes guys are caught from behind for different reasons, I mean sometimes you do even see the fastest guys get caught (I think Tyreek Hill is maybe the ONLY exception). In that clip, he breaks a tackle and stumbles for 10 yards and then he puts on the jets-- but the corner who is chasing him has a head of steam and starts sprinting earlier than Toney. I think because of that the corner hits his top speed earlier than Toney and catches him. But who knows if they both ran a foot race from a stand-still I'm not convinced that was indication that corner could beat him (not that I'm saying NO ONE could beat Toney in a foot race, I'm just saying getting chased down on ONE play doesn't mean a guy doesn't play as fast as he times-- from what I've seen he plays pretty damn fast and had numerous home-run plays). You're gonna get chased down sometimes when you're stopping and cutting to avoid 10 different defenders while a guy is sprinting at you full speed behind you unimpeded, is my point.
His quickness/elusiveness is about an 11... same w/ his contact balance given his size.
If he’s able to combine his special change of direction movements with precise route running, he becomes a 1st down machine. But the Giants coaches really need to make sure he learns how to be efficient and reliable in running routes so Jones can develop good chemistry and timing with him.
Btw, I am intrigued to see if they ever use Toney coming out of the backfield. Obviously, he is unlikely to block like a "real" RB, but there might be situations where he can be used--screens, reverses, wide runs, and even throwing an option pass, since he has a college qb's arm. In a 2-back situation, the other back can take care of the pass blocking part.
he had 84 targets in 11 games, which was more than double the targets of the next closest Gators WR while catching 70/84 (very impressive). Trask attempted 437 passes so Toney basically got a 20% target share.
By comparison "QB's best friend" TE Kyle Pitts had 67 targets and 43 receptions in 8 games (64% catch rate). Notably Pitts did have the higher ypc (17.9 vs. 14.1) which perhaps explains that he was more of a downfield target. So Pitts got targeted slightly more than Toney and did more damage down field but with overall lower efficiency. Yes I would still obviously take Pitts over Toney because of his rare ability at that size, just pointing out the incongruity of Toney's reliability being considered on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Back to Toney his 70 receptions / 11 games = 6.3 receptions per game. prorated out to a 16 game schedule that's 101 catches (there aren't too many unreliable Wrs I can think of who have caught 100 balls?)
Also notable is that Toney had another 161 yards on 19 rush attempts. So his full season non-ST totals were:
11 games, 89 touches, 1145 yards, 11 touchdowns
Last notable thing, his last 3 games were each the 3 best games of his career, 2 of them vs. LSU and BAMA. That streak was almost each of the last 5 games but it looks like they didn't need him as much in a blowout vs. Kentucky. So if there had been another 5 games in the season his numbers may have trended even better than the prorated numbers. His best game was the LSU game with Pitts not playing (highlights linked below).
I can very much understand why Urban Meyer was targeting him. He is extremely Percy Harvin-esque (drafted 22 overall). His receiving production this past year was better than Harvin's best year at UF, though Harvin had been utilized more as a RB and played in an offense with a lot less passing attempts (Tebow).
Kadarius Toney 2020 Game Highlights vs LSU | CFB - ( New Window )
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admittedly didn’t love the pick, but definitely warming up to it now that I’ve had a good chance to do more reading up on the kid. Really hoping he becomes our Tyreek lite
I felt the same way but then I watched his all 22 film (targets only) on youtube and man that got me excited. He is going to be extremely difficult to stop in man coverage
For those interested
Ole Miss
https://youtu.be/iboPcTA9M1k
Vanderbilt
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Missed this post - these were great.
Or TNToney
Kid is explosive and has such burst/change of direction it is insane. Let’s hope he can be as effective for us,
he had 84 targets in 11 games, which was more than double the targets of the next closest Gators WR while catching 70/84 (very impressive). Trask attempted 437 passes so Toney basically got a 20% target share.
By comparison "QB's best friend" TE Kyle Pitts had 67 targets and 43 receptions in 8 games (64% catch rate). Notably Pitts did have the higher ypc (17.9 vs. 14.1) which perhaps explains that he was more of a downfield target. So Pitts got targeted slightly more than Toney and did more damage down field but with overall lower efficiency. Yes I would still obviously take Pitts over Toney because of his rare ability at that size, just pointing out the incongruity of Toney's reliability being considered on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Back to Toney his 70 receptions / 11 games = 6.3 receptions per game. prorated out to a 16 game schedule that's 101 catches (there aren't too many unreliable Wrs I can think of who have caught 100 balls?)
Also notable is that Toney had another 161 yards on 19 rush attempts. So his full season non-ST totals were:
11 games, 89 touches, 1145 yards, 11 touchdowns
Last notable thing, his last 3 games were each the 3 best games of his career, 2 of them vs. LSU and BAMA. That streak was almost each of the last 5 games but it looks like they didn't need him as much in a blowout vs. Kentucky. So if there had been another 5 games in the season his numbers may have trended even better than the prorated numbers. His best game was the LSU game with Pitts not playing (highlights linked below).
I can very much understand why Urban Meyer was targeting him. He is extremely Percy Harvin-esque (drafted 22 overall). His receiving production this past year was better than Harvin's best year at UF, though Harvin had been utilized more as a RB and played in an offense with a lot less passing attempts (Tebow). Kadarius Toney 2020 Game Highlights vs LSU | CFB - ( New Window )
83% Catch Rate is pretty damn impressive and hard to argue with. But the "dances too much at the LOS" criticism is stuff I was reading from Gators fans who watched him play. Maybe they were referring to his previous seasons when he wasn't nearly as impactful.
He has A+ explosive cutting ability, there are very few guys in the NFL who move like he moves. I think he has a chance to be a very valuable offensive weapon but especially as a slot WR.
But he was a prospect who got a ton of mixed reviews for a reason. He's just a strange player who will need to be put in the right spot to succeed. Luckily, I feel confident in Judge and think the Giants could be a good fit.
We’ll see it all.
I've just been significantly more pleasantly surprised by how natural he looks as a receiver relative to some of those first scouting reports.