NGT: Has the Packers GM really done a bad job?

and AR's probably contentious attitude towards the team, he's got a huge head.

Also believe they didn’t communicate with Rogers at all that they were going to take a quarterback.

They are in a bad spot, but they absolutely can't give in.

it's not like they hired some unknown hot shot from outside of the organization that came in and wanted to shake things up. This is a guy that has been groomed by the same guy that drafted Rodgers (in a similar circumstance).

AR's certainly frustrated with being unable to get to the big game, and I think it spurts out in his attitude towards the team. Be it front office personnel decisions, the end years of the McCarthy relationship and his rumored aloof day to day management of the team, etc. Hell, you'll see it on his face during games.

And he has alienated that QB to the point where he wants to leave. You can argue the merits of drafting Love, but he didn't handle that well.

If Rodgers leaves the analysis is deeper than "did he make good draft picks?" You either need to massage the ego of Rodgers or be ready for him to do what he did. Maybe they are ready to trade him and go forward with Love? If they aren't, you can certainly argue he did a poor job.

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Also believe they didn’t communicate with Rogers at all that they were going to take a quarterback.

Agree as Rodgers begged for WR help and then the team just doesn’t take Love, but trades up to get him. Look, Rodgers is a prick, but that was a gigantic big FU to Rodgers no matter how you look at it. There is not one shred of objective analysis how this was a good move for the team or Rodgers.

And it worked. He played lights out last season and if he’s with the Packers this year, he’ll do it again. Smart move by their GM to know how to motivate his players.

is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs.

Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything.

Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.

that they drafted a qb in the first. That said, rodgers is a bit of a diva and has come up small in the playoffs on one too many occasions, including v NYG in 2011. But when you’re in a window you should use the first round pick to go all-in with your franchise HOF QB and get the team what it needs to get over the hump and get one more SB, not draft the maybeQB of the future in three years.

The Packers have been to 3 Superbowls (winning twice) and lost 6 NFC Championship games out of 9 played in. They are one of the best front offices in football. AR should be thanking his lucky stars that he was drafted by the Packers. All he is doing now is sullying his reputation by being a diva.

record can be critiqued like any other GM IMO.

Jaire Alexander is elite IMO.

the rest of his picks? meh. Why draft AJ Dillon in the 2nd and extend Aaron Jones? to me you get a 4th or 5th round back not a 2nd round.

nitpicking stuff, IMO.

Rodgers was already angry about the lack of resources allocated to the offense in the drafts.

Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.

No compromises like agreeing to trade Love. He is not Tom Brady, and based on his stance, he isn’t a QB who is going to lead your team any further. He did it once. That’s all he gets.

Gotten a player like Tee Higgins or one of those RB's (CEH, Swift, JTaylor)... may have cost them a superbowl appearance last season... but hey at least they got Jordan Love.

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And it worked. He played lights out last season and if he’s with the Packers this year, he’ll do it again. Smart move by their GM to know how to motivate his players.

AR didn't exactly suck in '19. Not sure he needed to be motivated. And I'm not saying drafting Love was necessarily a bad thing, as AR is getting up there. AR seems like a douche, but it appears the GM could've handled the shituation a lot better.

I'm glad it's not our prob.

good post.

could come into any of the 32 NFL franchises as a GM, listen to what his/her scouts say, and draft accordingly and be considered a genius.

40% of first rounders never live up to the hype, and it's probably higher than that.

;)

doubt its just 1 thing but if I had to guess its 1. Taking love and "wasting" the pick 2. not getting an extension in line with the premium QB's in the league 3. If the trade threat rumors are true, likely that was the final straw.

We are seeing more and more of this across the league - when you find a franchise QB you do everything you can to help them succeed. Trying to have a seamless succession plan is hard to pull off and rarely works, just because it did with Favre doesn't mean it will again (chances are it won't). It makes absolutely zero sense to try and set up replacing Rodgers, taking a project at the position, and foregoing an impact player right after losing the NFCC game.

No. Brian Gutekunst has to look-out for the interests of the TEAM, not an immature, over-indulged prima dona.

Not only was Rodgers drafted under similar circumstances, he doesn't want to accept that the team needs to prepare for his eventual decline and departure. He doesn't need to be consulted, or provide his approval to contribute the draft. he doesn't even need to help groom his replacement (I'm sure he's not). He needs to produce on the field and be a team player.

Eli Manning set the bar for this kind of unselfish behavior by an aging QB. Unfortunately, Eli's team-first attitude is not common. There's too much of this 'me, me, me' in professional sports.

and it irks him. And they don;t owe him any explanation about taking a QB. Last I checked, it doesn't mean they're not paying him anymore, just that they liked a QB that they think can be the future. Rogers will be 38 in December

In comment 15251215 HoodieGelo said:

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is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs. Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything. Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.

Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.

in the Wisconsin State Journal this morning:

‘They might kill you, but they won’t eat you’: Brian Gutekunst could use Ted Thompson’s advice amid Aaron Rodgers saga - ( New Window )

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In comment 15251215 HoodieGelo said: Quote: is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs. Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything. Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP. Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.

He also has a Pro Bowl LT.

LT

They haven't surrounded Rodgers with much talent. He spoke out about McCarthy and that seems to he true. Then, supposedly, the GM said he was going to trade Rodgers but then backed off of that stance without telling Rodgers. Would I have handled it the way he has? No. But that doesn't mean he is wrong for what has happened.

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...that would have made much difference. Better OL depth might have helped when Bakhtiari went down, but who were they supposed to pick? The best OT available was Isaiah Wilson, who turned into the biggest bust of the entire draft. Green Bay had some decent veteran OL pieces to move around. There just aren't many good backup OLTs, let alone close to Bakhtiari's level. I guess they could have added a weapon like Edwards-Helaire, Swift, or Claypool. None of those guys would have saved David Bakhtiari's knee.

In comment 15251257 robbieballs2003 said:

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They haven't surrounded Rodgers with much talent. He spoke out about McCarthy and that seems to he true. Then, supposedly, the GM said he was going to trade Rodgers but then backed off of that stance without telling Rodgers. Would I have handled it the way he has? No. But that doesn't mean he is wrong for what has happened.

Yup. Not sure why so many fans take such a hard stance on things when a player speaks their mind. They aren't slaves, they are allow to be displeased with management and voice their opinions. The old way of doing business is long gone in sports, time to get used to it.

In comment 15251250 Toth029 said:

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In comment 15251215 HoodieGelo said: Quote: is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs. Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything. Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP. Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.

Not saying I agree, just letting you know what they think. Although I will say, the line has been stellar for what feels like I decade but after those 2 guys the drop-off is huge.

made very little sense from a football perspective. As UConn pointed out, these QB succession plans are hard to pull off and the few successful ones have been primarily a byproduct of luck and circumstance.

It seems there has been tension between Rodgers and the team for years that has occasionally bubbled up to the surface (e.g. McCarthy) and now the lid has completely blown off.

The Love pick looks like a power play that is backfiring big time. GB has been fortunate to have the rarest of assets in the NFL - a QB who consistently plays at a MVP level. Most teams go multiple decades without one and languish except for the occasional, moderately successful season. The org should have gone all in on Rodgers for as long as they could.

In comment 15251228 Mike in NY said:

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Rodgers was already angry about the lack of resources allocated to the offense in the drafts. Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.

Nah, Rodgers would have found a way to lose…😎

In comment 15251250 Toth029 said:

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In comment 15251215 HoodieGelo said: Quote: is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs. Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything. Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP. Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.

They don't have a top flight OL. His OL got crushed by teams like TB and SF if memory serves correctly.

His beef with his GM is solely about Love. The GM has been in that seat for 3 years, and his record in that time is 32-15-1, 26-6 in the last 2 years, with 2 NFCCG appearances.

Sure, they haven't been able to get over the NFCCG hump, but Rodgers has had something to do with that too. GB is not firing Gutekunst, and Rodgers doesn't have many options, unless he's willing to sit out one of the few seasons he has left.

which I know is hard to do, there are probably 10 - 12 teams where Rodgers would be a great fit and I believe he is tradeable. He'd be an upgrade at QB on probably 30 teams but when you consider contract you can adjust that to 25 - 28 or so - if we're all being honest.

Teams who are either contenders or close to contenders but need a little nudge to push them over the top - are perfect candidates for Rodgers.

Which is why SF made so much sense.

The GM saying we're not discussing trading Rodgers at this point is just as toddler-ish as Rodgers saying he's not coming back.

this stuff should all be kept in house in a perfect world but sometimes leaking these things get the wheels in motion and in the end everyone gets what they want.

it's hard to think that you have done a great job. Seems like it is getting worse, instead of better. That said, Rogers, despite his incredible talent, seems like an entitled jerk as opposed to a team-first player.

i hope he's great kinda just to shove it in closeted Rodgers face

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...that would have made much difference. Better OL depth might have helped when Bakhtiari went down, but who were they supposed to pick? The best OT available was Isaiah Wilson, who turned into the biggest bust of the entire draft. Green Bay had some decent veteran OL pieces to move around. There just aren't many good backup OLTs, let alone close to Bakhtiari's level. I guess they could have added a weapon like Edwards-Helaire, Swift, or Claypool. None of those guys would have saved David Bakhtiari's knee.

"Optics" here is huge - it shows your lack of commitment to the guy who just helped get you to the NFCC game. It didn't make any sort of sense in the short or even medium term unless you are dead-set on trading Rodgers. And maybe that was the reason so trade him and be done with it.

When you have an all time great QB you go all in on it and worry about the rest later. A new GM should be focused on capitalizing at the opportunity of winning a title immediate, not worrying about who's going to play QB in 2023.

and the subsequent leaks from AR's camp, it appears to me they were trying to force a trade to SF.

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it's hard to think that you have done a great job. Seems like it is getting worse, instead of better. That said, Rogers, despite his incredible talent, seems like an entitled jerk as opposed to a team-first player.

What if the alienation is self inflicted? I mean, this is a guy that has cut off his own family for unknown reasons, right? Perhaps he is a malcontent that can never be made happy?

But he came from a school that didn't play great defenses and threw a ton of interceptions. They wanted to believe this was like drafting Rodgers all those years ago. It wasn't. It was a major reach. Had this been a situation like Favre and Rodgers I get it. It wasn't. But, again, there is way more to it than that one move.

that means they won't even see Love play outside of injury or supreme decline in performance. So now that 1st round pick just sat for 4 years.

Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one.

Management misplayed their hand big time on this one.

In comment 15251228 Mike in NY said:

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Rodgers was already angry about the lack of resources allocated to the offense in the drafts. Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.

Stupid talking point. When you are able to come up with Davante Adams in the second round, Aaron Jones in the 5th round, Valdes-Scantling and his 20 yard a catch average in the 6th round, Jamaal Williams in the 4th round,Tonyon off the Lions scrap heap, you don't really need to be spending first round picks. If our GM was doing that, we'd be performing cartwheels.

Love is not the issue except with the sporting press (Love is represented by the same agent as Rodgers- Athletes First). It's about $$$$. He sees guys like Mahomes and Prescott walking away with huge money. He sees DE, LT's and LB's ahead of him on the contract value list. Cut Aaron a check or re-work his deal, and he won't care if Jesus Christ is drafted in the first round.

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Cut Aaron a check or re-work his deal, and he won't care if Jesus Christ is drafted in the first round.

Well, maybe he'll think that guy is a pretender to his throne?

In comment 15251296 UConn4523 said:

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that means they won't even see Love play outside of injury or supreme decline in performance. So now that 1st round pick just sat for 4 years. Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one. Management misplayed their hand big time on this one.

Can we count the times management misplayed their hand (Read, OL, for example) during Eli’s tenure? Not even a hint of a hissy fit..

haven't surrounded him with talent. All Pro LT, Adams at WR, Jones at RB, a good OL.

And can Rodgers get mad at the Packers for drafting a 1st round QB as a succession plan for a HOF QB, considering that is how he was drafted by the Packers? Rodgers seems like a mistress who marries her lover and is surprised when her lover takes up another mistress.

Rodgers needs to grow up.

but in terms of saying the gm has a great w-l record i imagine aaron thinks he's a pretty big reason behind that. What is the packers record the last 3 years with kirk cousins? probably not as good as with rodgers. at the end of the day the fact are that rodgers is who rodgers is...his personality isn't a surprise to anyone at this point. i think its very fair to say that the gm has done a poor job handling him and making him feel a part of the process. drafting love without talking to rodgers is inexcusable. like it or not, hes the franchise right now. and i get the idea of best player available, but at the end of the day the pack have missed on a decent amount of late first rounders and left alot of good wrs on the board. clearly it wouldve been a good idea to appease the face of the franchise with a talented wr in there somewhere.

In comment 15251315 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15251296 UConn4523 said: Quote: that means they won't even see Love play outside of injury or supreme decline in performance. So now that 1st round pick just sat for 4 years. Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one. Management misplayed their hand big time on this one. Can we count the times management misplayed their hand (Read, OL, for example) during Eli’s tenure? Not even a hint of a hissy fit..

Exactly. I look at some of the issues Eli had here the second half of his tenure. Eli handled it much better. Perhaps I've been spoiled by Eli, but I'm not fond of how any of these QBs are handling things: Watson, Wilson, and and Rodgers.

It seems to happen that these QBs get these $40 million a year deals, and then whine when their teams can't afford enough good players around them. What did you think would happen?

and Rodgers being pretty comfortable that his game backs up his mouth.

We all know he was pissed they went and grabbed Love, traded up no less. Doesn't matter that they have invested other later picks on the Offense...he is taking that high investment in his replacement and that they are playing with him regarding a longer term deal as not supporting him properly.

What did he do after being upset about the Love pick?...he went out and had one of the best seasons a QB has ever had. Throwing TD passes to whomever was on the roster. And despite OL injuries at end of season and some gaffes by the Defense and his "playmakers", he had the team on the cusp of a trip to the Super Bowl...yet again.

You may not like him, but Front office didn't play this one correctly...

was not the GM when the Packers drafted Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Bakhtiari, Linsley (now gone but there last year), etc.

sure Valdes-Scantling he was and he signed Tonyan, but his GM record if you want to do that is as spotty as anyone else's.

but it's basically irrelevant and a red herring.

In comment 15251315 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15251296 UConn4523 said: Quote: that means they won't even see Love play outside of injury or supreme decline in performance. So now that 1st round pick just sat for 4 years. Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one. Management misplayed their hand big time on this one. Can we count the times management misplayed their hand (Read, OL, for example) during Eli’s tenure? Not even a hint of a hissy fit..

Sure. Like I said above you think Rodgers is a baby, now what? Personally it doesn't matter to me because I watch his peers do the same thing and get what they want. I know for a fact Brady is like this, but Kraft has given him everything so we never really hear about the friction. Brees go everything he wanted even after his arm was gone and Peyton did whatever he could to keep a potent offense in tact.

And have you ever thought of what would have happened if Eli did speak out against McAdoo or Shurmur, or Reese after all those dreadful draft? Maybe your image of him would have changed, but I bet it would have been taken seriously, no way Mara would just let his star be publicly disgruntled.

why is he being brought up? 50% catch rate and hasn't sniffed 1,000 yards despite all the injuries they've had at WR and Rodgers extending plays and throwing a lot.

Extremely whiny, petulant and entitled but like Waters, Rodgers is one of those rare examples where his talent makes up for it.

If a middle-of-the-road QB acts this way, you move on. With Rodgers, you try to make it work.

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Extremely whiny, petulant and entitled but like Waters, Rodgers is one of those rare examples where his talent makes up for it. If a middle-of-the-road QB acts this way, you move on. With Rodgers, you try to make it work.

But if the line in the sand has been drawn, by Rodgers, how do you really fire the GM? That's an unprecedented power play that could change the landscape of the NFL.

With the amount of money top end QB's make and the influence they have on outcomes, they're no longer just employees, they are partners. Some organizations seem to understand this better than others.

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I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it.

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With the amount of money top end QB's make and the influence they have on outcomes, they're no longer just employees, they are partners. Some organizations seem to understand this better than others.

But they are not, because they are temporary. Their careers have a finite end point in one way or another. The franchise continues on.

Even 2% of the New York Giants value as a franchise is like $150 million.

So the quarterback's salary, no matter how impressive, is ultimately chump change in comparison to an overall franchise's worth.

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why is he being brought up? 50% catch rate and hasn't sniffed 1,000 yards despite all the injuries they've had at WR and Rodgers extending plays and throwing a lot.

only because Homer Jones wanted to give the GM credit for his (20 yards per catch).

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that they drafted a qb in the first. That said, rodgers is a bit of a diva and has come up small in the playoffs on one too many occasions, including v NYG in 2011. But when you’re in a window you should use the first round pick to go all-in with your franchise HOF QB and get the team what it needs to get over the hump and get one more SB, not draft the maybeQB of the future in three years.

Bit of a diva? He is worse than the top diva WRs. Any GM with a 36-year-old QB should be thinking about the future of the position, especially one with Rodgers, who has been a pri** for the last 5 or 6 years. GB has been great about getting him top notch receivers throughout his career. What should they have done while they were on the clock working out the trade, call Rodgers and ask if it was okay with him? But Rodgers learned from the best of the whiners, Favre.

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I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it.

Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way.

Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake...

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In comment 15251349 UConn4523 said: Quote: I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it. Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way. Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake...

What do you mean "what's at stake"? In the bigger picture, Aaron Rodgers' next 2-3 years of activity matters little to the overall Green Bay franchise, long term.

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In comment 15251335 Blue92 said: Quote: Extremely whiny, petulant and entitled but like Waters, Rodgers is one of those rare examples where his talent makes up for it. If a middle-of-the-road QB acts this way, you move on. With Rodgers, you try to make it work. But if the line in the sand has been drawn, by Rodgers, how do you really fire the GM? That's an unprecedented power play that could change the landscape of the NFL.

I agree this is a tough one. We are entering NBA / European soccer territory here. But if you ultimately care about winning, who is the likely greater contributor, Rodgers or the current GM? On the other hand, if you care about the integrity of the organization, hierarchy, etc., it's hard to give in to Rodgers here. Really tough call.
But this is the analysis at this point in time. The team should have never let it come to this in the first place.

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In comment 15251359 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 15251349 UConn4523 said: Quote: I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it. Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way. Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake... What do you mean "what's at stake"? In the bigger picture, Aaron Rodgers' next 2-3 years of activity matters little to the overall Green Bay franchise, long term.

Not sure where you are going with this franchise value concept. What's at stake imv is trying to win super bowl titles when you have an elite QB.

Exclusive mid-western club Rodgers is an icon for

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Exclusive mid-western club Rodgers is an icon for

it does seem to all come back to that fact...

In comment 15251361 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 15251359 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 15251349 UConn4523 said: Quote: I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it. Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way. Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake... What do you mean "what's at stake"? In the bigger picture, Aaron Rodgers' next 2-3 years of activity matters little to the overall Green Bay franchise, long term.

Another 2-3 years could mean a Super Bowl title, which is forever. Once Rodgers leaves GB, they are basically the Lions, Bears or any other team without a top QB and there is no telling how long they will stay there. Could be decades.

yeah, they may sacrifice their window of winning another championship (something they've been unable to do since 2010 but they have been knocking on the door). That's the short term what's at stake.

The long term "what's at stake" is letting a player make a decision for your overall franchise's future beyond that player.

When Aaron Rodgers is done with football, in three years or less more than likely, Green Bay the franchise will continue on. Green Bay the franchise really should be focusing on this vs. letting Rodgers blow up the front office on his way out the front door for revenge against a perceived slight.

situation to avoid though. If they don't plan for a successor at QB, they'd be called negligent. It is really tough to account for a guy like Rodgers attitude. He's complained about coaches and the front office. If it wasn't about drafting Love, it would be for another reason.

You can't run a football team by walking on eggshells around any specific player.

He's a rare difference maker. You accommodate those people, in any profession.

it means the GM has done a bad job.

It's not complicated.

has become the Brett Favre to the pre-NFL Starter career of Aaron Rodgers.
With more commercials.

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it means the GM has done a bad job. It's not complicated.

Thanks for solving this. Call Green Bay up and tell them to go ahead and give the GM the pink slip.

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has become the Brett Favre to the pre-NFL Starter career of Aaron Rodgers. With more commercials.

It's actually kind of ironic if you think about it.

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yeah, they may sacrifice their window of winning another championship (something they've been unable to do since 2010 but they have been knocking on the door). That's the short term what's at stake. The long term "what's at stake" is letting a player make a decision for your overall franchise's future beyond that player. When Aaron Rodgers is done with football, in three years or less more than likely, Green Bay the franchise will continue on. Green Bay the franchise really should be focusing on this vs. letting Rodgers blow up the front office on his way out the front door for revenge against a perceived slight.

Nobody said the franchise won't go on...the republic will survive.

If GB franchise value is so strong relative to Rodger's salary/contract demands then why not just pay him? The GM comment is harsh but will fade, especially if they hold up a Lombardi.

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In comment 15251379 Britt in VA said: Quote: yeah, they may sacrifice their window of winning another championship (something they've been unable to do since 2010 but they have been knocking on the door). That's the short term what's at stake. The long term "what's at stake" is letting a player make a decision for your overall franchise's future beyond that player. When Aaron Rodgers is done with football, in three years or less more than likely, Green Bay the franchise will continue on. Green Bay the franchise really should be focusing on this vs. letting Rodgers blow up the front office on his way out the front door for revenge against a perceived slight. Nobody said the franchise won't go on...the republic will survive. If GB franchise value is so strong relative to Rodger's salary/contract demands then why not just pay him? The GM comment is harsh but will fade, especially if they hold up a Lombardi.

How do we know this is about money? Seems like Rodgers specifically wants the GM to lose his job. As he did with McCarthy.

Late stage Eli, playing poorly, deserved the franchise bending to give him more shots and let him retire a Giant.

Late stage Rodgers, 2021 NFL MVP, is he really worth keeping over the GM think about it 🤔🤔🤔

Grabbing Love and not giving him a deal has him angry that they are taking him for granted, and taking advantage of him.

A new deal solves all. But now it may have gone too far and he could be heading to Denver on June 1...

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Late stage Eli, playing poorly, deserved the franchise bending to give him more shots and let him retire a Giant. Late stage Rodgers, 2021 NFL MVP, is he really worth keeping over the GM think about it 🤔🤔🤔

You can't bring up Eli and then pin it on me. I see no similarity whatsoever to Eli Manning's end of career situation and Rodgers, nor have I insinuated one or made one outright.

Instead of WR and CB to help your team get over the top?

Yeah, that was a pathetic draft last year.

Getting too cute trying to replace Rodgers like Favre was replaced.

If Love was all that they thought he was, the packers should have traded Rogers this year for HUGE hall. They could have stacked their roster for years to come while the great JL runs the team.

Terribly run in GB.

is looking at this objectively. You can call him all the names you want but if he were a Giant I suspect you'd feel differently about the effort of the FO to do everything they can to maximize his talent.

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is looking at this objectively. You can call him all the names you want but if he were a Giant I suspect you'd feel differently about the effort of the FO to do everything they can to maximize his talent.

I have been stumped by the Love pick since it happened. I was not for the Love pick and would be annoyed as a fan by the Love pick.

That said, if our team had the results of Green Bay I'm not sure his unhappiness would make me support giving him the power over the GM. Patrick Mahomes at 25? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe. Aaron Rodgers at 37? No.

what's at stake...

you love Brady and he's 57 years old, just got everything he wanted and more in GB (and was taken care of in NE). Brees was finished on got everything he could possibly ask for. Peyton's career couldn't have gone smoother despite how jacked up he was.

I don't care about Rodgers age. He doesn't rely on speed/burst and his arm hasn't even shown signs of decline like that above 3 have had during their careers. Rodger's declining likely comes from a bad injury before its age driven.

But who cares anyway, they can win now by investing in the team for the now, and keeping their current star happy. Its a botch job, plain and simple. I hope GB really likes their longterm outlook because if they are trying to duplicate the Favre to Rodgers handoff they are going to likely be very disappointed.

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I respect him. I think he's the GOAT. But love him? No.

I did not believe he would do what he did in Tampa.

I would be very surprised if Rodgers hoists another Lombardi. Not based on Rodgers skill, but just based on the odds.

The love pick is completely inexcusable. You have an all time quarterback playing at an elite elite level. Why on earth would you wasted your best resource on a player that cannot help him in any way?

Rodgers is a giant prick but his level of play has certainly covered up many of the Packers blemishes over the years.

He had arguably the greatest QB of his generation and he traded up to draft his replacement without giving him a heads up and the guy would now rather retire than play for the franchise.

He failed miserably.

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Rogers family is a bunch of super fundamentalist religious weirdos.

Everyone is talking about the roster and I think the biggest thing is that he has literally ZERO job security. He has no guaranteed money on his contract left and they drafted a QB in the first round last year. Which obviously means he can be cut loose at any moment. If we treated Eli like the Packers have treated Rogers, you'd lose it. Guy is getting treated like an also ran there, and not a franchise legend. One that is still at the top of his game.

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Had this been a situation like Favre and Rodgers

You're right -- Rogers played the part of Love when joining the Packers. That might have given him a different perspective on the situation, but I guess it didn't.

he wouldn't have lasted there 15 years. His family is his personal business - we all have family that we don't get along with, and I know some people who've been cut out of their family or vice versus for many reasons. Who knows, not my business.

Despite being a dick he's very philanthropic, and leads a pretty quite life despite his stardom. The guy wants the respect his peers get along with a full commitment by management, completely rational ask IMO.

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he wouldn't have lasted there 15 years. His family is his personal business - we all have family that we don't get along with, and I know some people who've been cut out of their family or vice versus for many reasons. Who knows, not my business. Despite being a dick he's very philanthropic, and leads a pretty quite life despite his stardom. The guy wants the respect his peers get along with a full commitment by management, completely rational ask IMO.

That's why I think the contract is the biggest issue. Usually, the incumbent starter can look at some defining point in his contract with the guaranteed money and rationally look at it as his last year unless there is performance. Rogers can get cut loose any of the next 3 years. He's getting treated like some bum, If I were a franchise legend still playing at the top of my game I'd hate all the uncertainty moving forward, he's put his pelt on the wall. So this is him trying to force their hand to get it over with.

With this GM?

Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no?

I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case.

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With this GM? Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no? I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case.

Well I just looked it up and I'm mistaken. I was listening to a supposed Packers fan that said he had almost no guaranteed money left on his deal. That apparently isn't the case. But he is imminently cuttable or tradeable after June 1st of this year. So 3 years with little job security for a league legend is crazy. I'm sure when he signed that contract he certainly didn't see a 1st round QB being draft so soon with so many years left, play elite football.

bitch, it's always something

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bitch, it's always something

Well he got saddled with an awful NFL head football coach who road the coattails of two HOF QBs who was mailing it in and now is getting treated by his FO like some journeyman bum. But I guess he should just sit there and take it.

I think Rodgers has a legitimate beef after last season.

But demanding the GM be fired or you're going to retire is over the top.

Keep it about the money.

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With this GM? Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no? I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case.

or, he could played out his deal and gone FA like Brady did.

The Packers handled this poorly. Drafting Love was fine, but they should have known well enough to keep Rodgers looped in to that process from the beginning.

Rodgers has a lot of leverage - with him GB is a 13-3 title contender. Without him...?

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In comment 15251489 Britt in VA said: Quote: With this GM? Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no? I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case. or, he could played out his deal and gone FA like Brady did.

He only got to free agency because the Pats let him. If the Pats wanted to keep Brady, he's still be in New England. Unrestricted free agency is almost never an option for franchise QBs.

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I think Rodgers has a legitimate beef after last season. But demanding the GM be fired or you're going to retire is over the top. Keep it about the money.

We don't know Rodgers demanded the GM be fired. We don't even know he's demanded a trade. These are rumors based on unnamed sources.

In comment 15251531 Britt in VA said:

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I think Rodgers has a legitimate beef after last season. But demanding the GM be fired or you're going to retire is over the top. Keep it about the money.

I do think it's about the money. I listened to a podcast with Rodgers after the season, and he did talk about working on an extension with GB, and I think he is pretty frustrated that it hasn't gotten done yet.

And I agree, asking for the GM to be fired is beyond the pale. And if reports are true that Rodgers responded to GM and HC's saying they love him by saying that "Love is the problem", then he's throwing his teammate under the bus for no reason.

I get the trade demand if he feels GB is dragging its feet on an extension, but dragging Love into this unnecessarily is ridiculous.

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I think Rodgers has a legitimate beef after last season. But demanding the GM be fired or you're going to retire is over the top. Keep it about the money.

It is legitimate. Not suggesting he is doing this in a way that will not cause a stir, but sounds like he wasn't getting what he wanted in thru other means, so...

As suggested, football fans not liking him shouldn't blur the fact how Green Bay is really screwing this up...

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In comment 15251489 Britt in VA said: Quote: With this GM? Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no? I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case. or, he could played out his deal and gone FA like Brady did.

He could get cut out any moment after June 1st. He has no job security, even with performance. He's been doing Packers a favor by signing longer extensions and then they pull the rug out from him by drafting Love, especially with how his contract is structured. Brady was signing 1 or 2 year deals for a while under the Pats at that point because both sides new the deal. Rogers is 37 with no signs of slowing down, so of course he signed a long extension three years ago.

Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning.

Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers.

I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that).

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Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that).

For the record, I am not one that has compared Eli Manning's situation in any way, shape, or form to Aaron Rodgers situation on this thread, or anywhere else really.

But that said, if Rodgers was demanding a trade, that's fair. My whole issue is the notion that Rodgers demand the GM be fired over this perceived slight.

If Rodgers were asking for more money, or to be traded, I would not have an issue with it.

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Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that).

Exactly.

Player a) One guy has 3 league MVPs, 1 Superbowl and took his team to the conference finals in back to back years. He's substantial leverage to force a trade or new deal. He's a pansy malcontent and should be grateful.

Player b) Forced a draft day trade having played zero NFL downs. Class act. Wise. Gamer.

The more applicable comparisons would be Watson and Wilson recently, as a few people have already mentioned.

But the difference is that they are demanding anybody lose their job, they are using their leverage in the usual way, trade me or pay me.

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In comment 15251599 pjcas18 said: Quote: Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that). Exactly. Player a) One guy has 3 league MVPs, 1 Superbowl and took his team to the conference finals in back to back years. He's substantial leverage to force a trade or new deal. He's a pansy malcontent and should be grateful. Player b) Forced a draft day trade having played zero NFL downs. Class act. Wise. Gamer.

You are creating a straw man argument that doesn't exist on this thread.

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In comment 15251599 pjcas18 said: Quote: Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that). For the record, I am not one that has compared Eli Manning's situation in any way, shape, or form to Aaron Rodgers situation on this thread, or anywhere else really. But that said, if Rodgers was demanding a trade, that's fair. My whole issue is the notion that Rodgers demand the GM be fired over this perceived slight. If Rodgers were asking for more money, or to be traded, I would not have an issue with it.

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Fair, but I thought i read their was a meeting with Rodgers the GM and HC and they agreed to trade Rodgers, but then the GM rejected the SF offer (allegedly) and set the price tag at a point where a trade became unrealistic.

I think that's why Rodgers wants him fired, but I can't keep up with the drama (so I may be off a little)

In comment 15251618 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 15251612 PwndPapi said: Quote: In comment 15251599 pjcas18 said: Quote: Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that). Exactly. Player a) One guy has 3 league MVPs, 1 Superbowl and took his team to the conference finals in back to back years. He's substantial leverage to force a trade or new deal. He's a pansy malcontent and should be grateful. Player b) Forced a draft day trade having played zero NFL downs. Class act. Wise. Gamer. You are creating a straw man argument that doesn't exist on this thread.

It's not a strawman. I'm making a comparison of two NFL QBs using leverage to change their circumstances to point out the lack of objectivity of fans. The major distinction in those two instances is that one was a NYG and the other is not.

its likely a combination of things, not just 1. He also dealt with Mike McCarthy all those years, actually stayed pretty quiet during that time. Didn't we learn about him (MM) sleeping through meetings? If even remotely true what else was he not doing, or doing poorly?

Much of the NFL is about timing and circumstance, its a drum that I beat a lot and usually its easy to spot. You've got all the top tier QB's playing for the Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Sean Peyton, and Mike Tomlin's of the world and then you have that big oaf Mike McCarthy who should be cutting checks to Rodgers in perpetuity for playing well enough to stay employed for so long.

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just switch to how he is not only a jerk but is also selfish, not doing what is best for the team and not allowing Green Bay to sign better players around him to actually win a title.

And the reason I know that, is we have had it numerous times...

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I'm making the argument based on sentiments of posters on this thread who would never think to criticize a NYG legend. Guess what? Packers fans feel the same way about Rodgers.

And all of of would likely do what Rodgers is doing now were we in his position.

I wonder if he's looking at the Packers "window of opportunity" to win a Super Bowl, and thinks the team is on the way down. This might be a major factor in him trying to force a trade.

At this point, he's won a Super Bowl, MVP's, honors, etc. He's lost confidence in his organization, since the Packer Front Office was looking to replace him in a year or so with the trade up for Love. You don't use a high draft choice on a QB in 2021 without intending to replace the current QB, as Dalton will find out in Chicago.

The Packer Front Office apparently never thought Rodgers would have the year he had last year. That's why Rodgers is trying to force a change in the Packer Front Office, or force a trade while his value is at it's highest. There's no trust at this point between the parties, or confidence by Rodgers about the organization's ability to bring in talent.

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In comment 15251538 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 15251489 Britt in VA said: Quote: With this GM? Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no? I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case. or, he could played out his deal and gone FA like Brady did. He only got to free agency because the Pats let him. If the Pats wanted to keep Brady, he's still be in New England. Unrestricted free agency is almost never an option for franchise QBs.

You negotiate into the contract that the Green Bay Packers are not permitted to Franchise or Transition Tag Rodgers at the end of the Contract. That is permitted by CBA.

He wanted a WR last year? Look at the group drafted after Love. Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, and Hamler. Nothing special there.

Is this the same GM who drafted TE Tonyan? That guy was a true steal!

And the RB? Jones was another steal.

As we know Rodgers can hold a grudge. Guy won't even talk to his mother. Id bet on him not coming back to GB.

He hasn't played. Plus, look at the picks available after him. Not much there that would have helped much in 2020.

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He wanted a WR last year? Look at the group drafted after Love. Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, and Hamler. Nothing special there. Is this the same GM who drafted TE Tonyan? That guy was a true steal! And the RB? Jones was another steal. As we know Rodgers can hold a grudge. Guy won't even talk to his mother. Id bet on him not coming back to GB.

Tee Higgins, with nobody to take pressure off of him and PS fodder for almost half the year at QB, still managed 67 receptions for 908 yards and 6 TD's.

Now we're making judgements of a person no one here has met based on reports of estrangement with his parent.

If you have Aaron Rodgers, you're going to have a decent record. As noted previously, he inherited almost all of the key contributors on this roster.

I think Rodgers' frustration stems from a few things:
1. The org's patience with McCarthy when Rodgers, by all accounts, didn't like/respect him for quite a while. I think he feels they wasted a LOT of his career (and many, myself included, have always thought the same).
2. The 2020 draft - Rodgers (rightly so) felt the team was very close. They got basically zero impact from the draft. As others have noted, in a notably deep WR draft, a position of need for that team for some time...they instead decided they were cool rolling with Marquez Valding Scandling, Equanimeous St. Brown, and Allan Lazard behind Davante Adams. They used their first three picks on a QB, an RB (despite having Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams on the roster), and an undersized TE/H-back. It was an objectively awful draft given where they were as a team. I think it was meant as an intentional message to Rodgers that they weren't going to let him run the team. At best, even assuming they weren't playing games/sending messages, they made an organizational decision to approach the draft with a long-term view. Even if that's the case, they went too far and ignored some opportunities to help in the short term and build long term.
3. The contract situation, though I think that's likely resolved by now if he were happier.

Current GM didn't draft Tonyan or Jones. Both were rookies in 2017 which was the season before he took over.

His notable picks are Jaire Alexander in the first round in 2018 (objectively great pick) and MVS and St. Brown in rounds 5 and 6 in 2018. Essentially zero production from any other guys he's picked.

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He hasn't played. Plus, look at the picks available after him. Not much there that would have helped much in 2020.

He’s not playing, that’s the point. Instead of trying to improve the chances to win the SB with Rodgers under contract, they chose to plan for life without him.

That’s fine but in this era of football you can’t really have both. The days of sitting for 2-3 years like Rodgers did are gone.

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Current GM didn't draft Tonyan or Jones. Both were rookies in 2017 which was the season before he took over. His notable picks are Jaire Alexander in the first round in 2018 (objectively great pick) and MVS and St. Brown in rounds 5 and 6 in 2018. Essentially zero production from any other guys he's picked.

He didn't draft them, but let's not pretend he had nothing to do with it... Like I said earlier, this isn't some outsider that came in and decided to shake things up:

-(1998–2011) Scout
-(2012–2015) Director of college scouting
-(2016–2017) Director of player personnel
-(2018-present) General manager

Green Bay led the league in points scored, passing TDs, AY/A, and passing TD%. They had the best record in the NFC, and were in a coin flip game to go to the Super Bowl.

Drafting Love over Tee Higgins did not hold them back.

or whiny. He is exercising the leverage he has. If the Packers decline they can force him to pay back money if he retires while the team explodes or meet his demands. It just is what it is. When I was young man and the best salesman my company had by a large margin, I could have gotten a manager fired if I threatened to work for the competition. I had the talent, I was a closer, I did whatever I wanted.

People most often quit their job because of their boss rather than the company. Not uncommon.

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or whiny. He is exercising the leverage he has. If the Packers decline they can force him to pay back money if he retires while the team explodes or meet his demands. It just is what it is. When I was young man and the best salesman my company had by a large margin, I could have gotten a manager fired if I threatened to work for the competition. I had the talent, I was a closer, I did whatever I wanted. People most often quit their job because of their boss rather than the company. Not uncommon.

Did you ever try to use your clout to demand that your boss get fired?

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Green Bay led the league in points scored, passing TDs, AY/A, and passing TD%. They had the best record in the NFC, and were in a coin flip game to go to the Super Bowl. Drafting Love over Tee Higgins did not hold them back.

And let's say all those numbers improved with Higgins. What really held them back was Bakhtari getting hurt, but having a guy like Higgins could have taken some pressure off the offensive line. Tough to have a quick passing attack with the guys they have behind Adams. Take away Adams and relying on those guys to consistently win 1 v 1 battles is a losing proposition.

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Green Bay led the league in points scored, passing TDs, AY/A, and passing TD%. They had the best record in the NFC, and were in a coin flip game to go to the Super Bowl. Drafting Love over Tee Higgins did not hold them back.

I don’t know it necessarily means offense. Their secondary was pitiful - I’m sure more talent there instead of Love riding the pine would be preferred.

I think we assume Rodgers is bitching about offense but it could just be that they punted their pick to help at all right now, which is clear as day.

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Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that).

When did Eli demand that his supervisors be fired? I don't see the situations as comparable.

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In comment 15251755 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: or whiny. He is exercising the leverage he has. If the Packers decline they can force him to pay back money if he retires while the team explodes or meet his demands. It just is what it is. When I was young man and the best salesman my company had by a large margin, I could have gotten a manager fired if I threatened to work for the competition. I had the talent, I was a closer, I did whatever I wanted. People most often quit their job because of their boss rather than the company. Not uncommon. Did you ever try to use your clout to demand that your boss get fired?

The NFL is not an average work place. Nobody signs contracts like these guys and if you don't like what's going on, you leave. Rogers signed his contract in good faith and all of a sudden they draft a QB in the first round with 4 years left on his deal.

To me it appears a poorly coached team that manages games terribly.

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Agreed. Any position could have helped more in 2020 than QB. Backup tackle in a deep tackle draft, more secondary help, another receiver or TE...whatever.

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In comment 15251599 pjcas18 said: Quote: Eli Manning in comparison to Rodgers but I think you're comparing the wrong thing about the two. What Rodgers is doing now is not comparable to the end of Eli's career, but the beginning. Rodgers trying to force a trade is in some ways similar to Eli saying he wouldn't play for the Chargers. I think if you support Eli's (or any player) right to say what situation is right for them for any reason, you should support Rodgers decision to demand a trade (if he has even done that). When did Eli demand that his supervisors be fired? I don't see the situations as comparable.

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Brady made a power play a few years ago going around BB to get Kraft to support trading JimG. Threw down the gauntlet and flexed his power over BB...

But this has been handled poorly by both sides.

I don't think Love was worth a first, especially trading up to get him, but I understood the thinking from a long term perspective.

If AaRod wants to win desperately why does he want a bigger contract? Why wouldn't he follow the Brady blueprint at this point at this point?

I think both sides need a divorce at this point.

that this is whether or not you think Rodgers should have the clout over the organization to demand that the GM be fire. Period, point blank.

This is not about whether Rodgers has the right to demand more money, he does, or whether he has the right to hold out, he does, or be traded.

This was strictly about his demand of the GM being fired.

of QBs taking less to win? It’s long rumored that Kraft funded some of TB12 among other things, so I’m not even sure Brady is a good example. But let’s say that isn’t true, it’s still just 1 QB. I can think of anyone in their prime that gave up money and none at all that did so after winning MVP.

GB barely signs FA anyway which is another problem.

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To me it appears a poorly coached team that manages games terribly.

+1, they've had a tendency to make crucial mistakes in big spots against the best teams. Cannot assume it gets fixed by drafting a WR.

I'd say the error was in not communicating openly with AR regarding the draft pick of the QB. Plus, the contract talk would indicate he wants a Mahomes-level contract. The rest of it sounds like AR and his frustration/insecurity/anger working itself out in the public eye. An extension may or may not fix the damage here either.

In comment 15251783 Britt in VA said:

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that this is whether or not you think Rodgers should have the clout over the organization to demand that the GM be fire. Period, point blank. This is not about whether Rodgers has the right to demand more money, he does, or whether he has the right to hold out, he does, or be traded. This was strictly about his demand of the GM being fired.

I don't know if he should have it or not...but he does. He's an all-time great player that makes a massive difference in wins and losses...far more than the GM, head coach, or any other element of that organization.

I've got no problems with him using that leverage to get what he wants.

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In comment 15251755 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: or whiny. He is exercising the leverage he has. If the Packers decline they can force him to pay back money if he retires while the team explodes or meet his demands. It just is what it is. When I was young man and the best salesman my company had by a large margin, I could have gotten a manager fired if I threatened to work for the competition. I had the talent, I was a closer, I did whatever I wanted. People most often quit their job because of their boss rather than the company. Not uncommon. Did you ever try to use your clout to demand that your boss get fired?

No, I just quit and went to work for the competition and took a couple of the best salesmen with me. I wasn't locked into a contract. That boss lost his job within 1 week of our exodus.

In comment 15251794 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15251783 Britt in VA said: Quote: that this is whether or not you think Rodgers should have the clout over the organization to demand that the GM be fire. Period, point blank. This is not about whether Rodgers has the right to demand more money, he does, or whether he has the right to hold out, he does, or be traded. This was strictly about his demand of the GM being fired. I don't know if he should have it or not...but he does. He's an all-time great player that makes a massive difference in wins and losses...far more than the GM, head coach, or any other element of that organization. I've got no problems with him using that leverage to get what he wants.

Well we'll see if he has it or not.

but I will be shocked if Green Bay caves and fires their GM over this.

In comment 15251785 UConn4523 said:

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of QBs taking less to win? It’s long rumored that Kraft funded some of TB12 among other things, so I’m not even sure Brady is a good example. But let’s say that isn’t true, it’s still just 1 QB. I can think of anyone in their prime that gave up money and none at all that did so after winning MVP. GB barely signs FA anyway which is another problem.

not to take this in the wrong direction, but the TB12 stuff is tin foil hat conspiracy theory land-ish. There has never been one shred of evidence I have seen that Kraft "funded" TB12 and not sure what the "other things" even are.

TB12, inc. revenues are around $3M annually and supports 20 employees. That's what it took to get Brady to take a below market deal?

Knowing what we know about spygate - don't you think one former Pats FO/Exec would somehow let it leak this happening or even better yet try and set up an Arod12 (or Jones6 or Wilson3, Mahomes15 - you see where I'm going) nutrition company (or any business really) for your QB or any player to get him to accept a below market deal?

Not singling you out Uconn, I've read the allegations on here from many people and if this were a different topic the conspiracy theorists would be mocked incessantly.

In comment 15251805 Britt in VA said:

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but I will be shocked if Green Bay caves and fires their GM over this.

Money cures a lot of ills...Sounds like Rodgers is done though. The great ones are wired funny. Like a pitbull that would rather die than let go. He told family and friends that he wont go back if the GM is there. If think he would rather retire than go back on those words. Leaving that GM as the guy that lost Rodgers from Green Bay. He wants revenge and has the leverage to get it. GM already lost.

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Thats a great pick. I would have let Jones go and give Dillon the full time job. That was the move there. Yeah, Rodgers is right. Fire this guy!

Funny how Rodgers crying about a QB drafted.

If they didn't like the players in the draft range, and there wasn't a lot there, then why not go for QB you believe in? It has to be more, Rodgers can't be crying about this a year later.

This new GM has only been there three years (as the actual GM), paid Rodgers a new contract upon becoming the GM, and they've been to two NFC Championships.

What exactly does Rodgers want revenge for? How has he been slighted, and why does this GM get all the wrath?

Problem solved.

In comment 15251832 Britt in VA said:

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This new GM has only been there three years (as the actual GM), paid Rodgers a new contract upon becoming the GM, and they've been to two NFC Championships. What exactly does Rodgers want revenge for? How has he been slighted, and why does this GM get all the wrath?

I don't know if revenge is the right term as it is about leverage really.

But old saying that if you aren't playing Offense than you're playing defense. Rodgers is on the offensive right now...

In comment 15251785 UConn4523 said:

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of QBs taking less to win? It’s long rumored that Kraft funded some of TB12 among other things, so I’m not even sure Brady is a good example. But let’s say that isn’t true, it’s still just 1 QB. I can think of anyone in their prime that gave up money and none at all that did so after winning MVP. GB barely signs FA anyway which is another problem.

In 2019 they broke their thriftiness and went heavy on the Smith boys and Amos on D. They were very aggressive trying to take advantage of their window by fixing their crumbling D.

Brady didn't break Tampa's bank. And I believe he recently restructured his contract again.

So if one of the GOATs is willing to concede on market value, a guy like AaRod, also on the back nine of his career, should, IMV, think similarly - if he truly wants more trophies.

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Green Bay led the league in points scored, passing TDs, AY/A, and passing TD%. They had the best record in the NFC, and were in a coin flip game to go to the Super Bowl. Drafting Love over Tee Higgins did not hold them back.

So the idea is that being significantly better at WR2 couldn't have helped them win a "coinflip" game? Or the same at CB? Or OL? In a lot of ways, that's the exact point. Rodgers instantly makes them one of the best offenses in the league. Had they made any effort to really give him every weapon they could (at the same time Tampa was doing exactly that for Tom Brady), seems very possible those additional pieces could have made the incremental difference that puts them over the top when it mattered.

In a year when they were clearly viewed as contenders, they came out of the first three rounds of the draft without a player with any real clear path to contribute. This followed a relatively quiet free agency period. I think Rodgers frustration was larger than not adding a WR, but rather, appearing to make no real significant effort to go for it at all...which has been a complaint of his with the organization for several years.

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In comment 15251785 UConn4523 said: Quote: of QBs taking less to win? It’s long rumored that Kraft funded some of TB12 among other things, so I’m not even sure Brady is a good example. But let’s say that isn’t true, it’s still just 1 QB. I can think of anyone in their prime that gave up money and none at all that did so after winning MVP. GB barely signs FA anyway which is another problem. In 2019 they broke their thriftiness and went heavy on the Smith boys and Amos on D. They were very aggressive trying to take advantage of their window by fixing their crumbling D. Brady didn't break Tampa's bank. And I believe he recently restructured his contract again. So if one of the GOATs is willing to concede on market value, a guy like AaRod, also on the back nine of his career, should, IMV, think similarly - if he truly wants more trophies.

This I agree with fully and is where I take issue with some of Rodgers' complaints (and a guy like Russ Wilson as well).

Brady is literally the only example of this happening and there's plenty of smoke around off the record compensation. I don't think Brady is squeaky clean at all, especially in his time in NE.

For Brady it was easy to take less, he's 42 not 36/37. He also handpicked his players, something Rodgers never has been able to do.

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i hope he's great kinda just to shove it in closeted Rodgers face

Jesus, this crap again?

with mediocre college production for collecting millions for nothing?

He’s got the best job in football right now.

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In comment 15251285 Platos said: Quote: i hope he's great kinda just to shove it in closeted Rodgers face Jesus, this crap again?

Rodgers has tapped some primo tail. I'm going to go out on a limb and chalk this up to envy. We should all be as closeted as AR.

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No compromises like agreeing to trade Love. He is not Tom Brady, and based on his stance, he isn’t a QB who is going to lead your team any further. He did it once. That’s all he gets.

You are right. He is not Tom Brady. He is better. Even Brady has conceded that.

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In comment 15251228 Mike in NY said: Quote: Rodgers was already angry about the lack of resources allocated to the offense in the drafts. Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay. Stupid talking point. When you are able to come up with Davante Adams in the second round, Aaron Jones in the 5th round, Valdes-Scantling and his 20 yard a catch average in the 6th round, Jamaal Williams in the 4th round,Tonyon off the Lions scrap heap, you don't really need to be spending first round picks. If our GM was doing that, we'd be performing cartwheels. Love is not the issue except with the sporting press (Love is represented by the same agent as Rodgers- Athletes First). It's about $$$$. He sees guys like Mahomes and Prescott walking away with huge money. He sees DE, LT's and LB's ahead of him on the contract value list. Cut Aaron a check or re-work his deal, and he won't care if Jesus Christ is drafted in the first round.

Exactly right.

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In comment 15251257 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: They haven't surrounded Rodgers with much talent. He spoke out about McCarthy and that seems to he true. Then, supposedly, the GM said he was going to trade Rodgers but then backed off of that stance without telling Rodgers. Would I have handled it the way he has? No. But that doesn't mean he is wrong for what has happened. Yup. Not sure why so many fans take such a hard stance on things when a player speaks their mind. They aren't slaves, they are allow to be displeased with management and voice their opinions. The old way of doing business is long gone in sports, time to get used to it.

Tired of this lazy condescending nonsense. He is an employee getting paid millions per year. How the hell is that being a slave? Granted he could be considered upper level employee, but it does not give him the right to black mail the organization. I almost wish they could trade him to some scrub team and let him see what shitty talent looks like. How do you think he would with the Jets? He'd be looking through his earhole every play.

I look at GB's offense and I admire the talent. They ate teams last year. He didn't have Daniel Jones level of garbage around him. The Packers lost to Tampa because his All Pro LT got hurt, just like Mahomes lost because his LT and RT were hurt. This is the same Tampa team that was two horrible Daniel Jones INTs away from losing to the Giants.

And if this is about Love, the whiny ass bitch forgot he was drafted to replace Favre too in much the same fashion.

I did not like what Deshaun Watson did, and I think he has a much bigger and legit gripe. I think Rodgers has only marginal, at best, reason to complain. Does anyone think Tampa beats GB if Bakhtiari is in that game? No way. It wasn't his weapons that lost the game, it was protection. How many teams have All Pro level LT sitting on the bench as backups?

and cannot see his view of things.

call it what you want. Plenty of "shut up and play" comments on here that are even lazier and more condescending but call me whatever you want.

I don't care how much money he makes, if he has a legit gripe he should be able address it. You might not like how he's doing it, but apparently GB is handling this poorly enough to force his hand, so he did.

thinking its only about Love. He just played all season with Love, there's more to it.

Rodgers had the year he had last year BECAUSE of how pissed off he was about the team drafting Love?

If that's the case, the GM is a genius.

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I think it's about revenge for not consulting with him for drafting Love, or at least that's how it appears. Brady would get that "respect" and Rodgers didn't.