He took over as GM in 2018. They finished poorly in 2018 at 6-9-1, but fired Mike McCarthy, and hired Lafleur. Since that, they've gone 26-6 and made it to the NFC Championship Game twice. So total record since being hired is 32-15-1 and 2 back to back NFC Championships in 3 seasons.
I know Love was a controversial pick last year, and I understand why, but almost the rest of that entire draft was spent on offense, mainly to protect Rodgers... RB, TE, G, and C were all picked after Love.
Gutenkunst has been with Green Bay since 1998:
-(1998–2011) Scout
-(2012–2015) Director of college scouting
-(2016–2017) Director of player personnel
-(2018-present) General manager
Seems like a natural, in house ascent that he was groomed for. Also looking at his past three drafts they don't really deviate from what Green Bay was doing under Ted Thompson, whom he undoubtedly learned everything from and was mentored by.
Is Rodgers beef really about the GM's performance or is it exclusively about Love?
Because if it's exclusively about Love it seems like a bad move to try and upset the apple cart of a franchise that front office that has been humming along for a long time, successfully. Even if Rodgers gets his wish (which I doubt) and they fire the GM, will he really be around long enough to see the repercussions of such a move?
If Rodgers leaves the analysis is deeper than "did he make good draft picks?" You either need to massage the ego of Rodgers or be ready for him to do what he did. Maybe they are ready to trade him and go forward with Love? If they aren't, you can certainly argue he did a poor job.
Agree as Rodgers begged for WR help and then the team just doesn’t take Love, but trades up to get him. Look, Rodgers is a prick, but that was a gigantic big FU to Rodgers no matter how you look at it. There is not one shred of objective analysis how this was a good move for the team or Rodgers.
Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything.
Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.
Jaire Alexander is elite IMO.
the rest of his picks? meh. Why draft AJ Dillon in the 2nd and extend Aaron Jones? to me you get a 4th or 5th round back not a 2nd round.
nitpicking stuff, IMO.
Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.
AR didn't exactly suck in '19. Not sure he needed to be motivated. And I'm not saying drafting Love was necessarily a bad thing, as AR is getting up there. AR seems like a douche, but it appears the GM could've handled the shituation a lot better.
I'm glad it's not our prob.
40% of first rounders never live up to the hype, and it's probably higher than that.
;)
We are seeing more and more of this across the league - when you find a franchise QB you do everything you can to help them succeed. Trying to have a seamless succession plan is hard to pull off and rarely works, just because it did with Favre doesn't mean it will again (chances are it won't). It makes absolutely zero sense to try and set up replacing Rodgers, taking a project at the position, and foregoing an impact player right after losing the NFCC game.
Not only was Rodgers drafted under similar circumstances, he doesn't want to accept that the team needs to prepare for his eventual decline and departure. He doesn't need to be consulted, or provide his approval to contribute the draft. he doesn't even need to help groom his replacement (I'm sure he's not). He needs to produce on the field and be a team player.
Eli Manning set the bar for this kind of unselfish behavior by an aging QB. Unfortunately, Eli's team-first attitude is not common. There's too much of this 'me, me, me' in professional sports.
Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything.
Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.
Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.
‘They might kill you, but they won’t eat you’: Brian Gutekunst could use Ted Thompson’s advice amid Aaron Rodgers saga - ( New Window )
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is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs.
Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything.
Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.
Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.
He also has a Pro Bowl LT.
Yup. Not sure why so many fans take such a hard stance on things when a player speaks their mind. They aren't slaves, they are allow to be displeased with management and voice their opinions. The old way of doing business is long gone in sports, time to get used to it.
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is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs.
Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything.
Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.
Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.
Not saying I agree, just letting you know what they think. Although I will say, the line has been stellar for what feels like I decade but after those 2 guys the drop-off is huge.
It seems there has been tension between Rodgers and the team for years that has occasionally bubbled up to the surface (e.g. McCarthy) and now the lid has completely blown off.
The Love pick looks like a power play that is backfiring big time. GB has been fortunate to have the rarest of assets in the NFL - a QB who consistently plays at a MVP level. Most teams go multiple decades without one and languish except for the occasional, moderately successful season. The org should have gone all in on Rodgers for as long as they could.
Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.
Nah, Rodgers would have found a way to lose…😎
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is from Wisconsin. They worship Rodgers in that state. WORSHIP. I was talking to them about it and they said the GM thought Rodgers was going to start to stink so they drafted Love as his apparent. What did Rodgers do? Won the MVP. Now the Packers front office looks idiotic with their tails between their legs.
Also, look what the Giants did in one offseason for a 3rd year quarterback who hasn't proven anything.
Rodgers has wanted receivers/playmakers and Gutekunst has done nothing for him. They were forcing him out and Rodgers still won MVP.
Poor guy has a top WR in Adams, Aaron Jones is a damn good back overall and they have a top flight OL.
They don't have a top flight OL. His OL got crushed by teams like TB and SF if memory serves correctly.
Sure, they haven't been able to get over the NFCCG hump, but Rodgers has had something to do with that too. GB is not firing Gutekunst, and Rodgers doesn't have many options, unless he's willing to sit out one of the few seasons he has left.
Teams who are either contenders or close to contenders but need a little nudge to push them over the top - are perfect candidates for Rodgers.
Which is why SF made so much sense.
The GM saying we're not discussing trading Rodgers at this point is just as toddler-ish as Rodgers saying he's not coming back.
this stuff should all be kept in house in a perfect world but sometimes leaking these things get the wheels in motion and in the end everyone gets what they want.
"Optics" here is huge - it shows your lack of commitment to the guy who just helped get you to the NFCC game. It didn't make any sort of sense in the short or even medium term unless you are dead-set on trading Rodgers. And maybe that was the reason so trade him and be done with it.
When you have an all time great QB you go all in on it and worry about the rest later. A new GM should be focused on capitalizing at the opportunity of winning a title immediate, not worrying about who's going to play QB in 2023.
What if the alienation is self inflicted? I mean, this is a guy that has cut off his own family for unknown reasons, right? Perhaps he is a malcontent that can never be made happy?
Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one.
Management misplayed their hand big time on this one.
Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.
Love is not the issue except with the sporting press (Love is represented by the same agent as Rodgers- Athletes First). It's about $$$$. He sees guys like Mahomes and Prescott walking away with huge money. He sees DE, LT's and LB's ahead of him on the contract value list. Cut Aaron a check or re-work his deal, and he won't care if Jesus Christ is drafted in the first round.
Well, maybe he'll think that guy is a pretender to his throne?
Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one.
Management misplayed their hand big time on this one.
Can we count the times management misplayed their hand (Read, OL, for example) during Eli’s tenure? Not even a hint of a hissy fit..
And can Rodgers get mad at the Packers for drafting a 1st round QB as a succession plan for a HOF QB, considering that is how he was drafted by the Packers? Rodgers seems like a mistress who marries her lover and is surprised when her lover takes up another mistress.
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that means they won't even see Love play outside of injury or supreme decline in performance. So now that 1st round pick just sat for 4 years.
Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one.
Management misplayed their hand big time on this one.
Can we count the times management misplayed their hand (Read, OL, for example) during Eli’s tenure? Not even a hint of a hissy fit..
Exactly. I look at some of the issues Eli had here the second half of his tenure. Eli handled it much better. Perhaps I've been spoiled by Eli, but I'm not fond of how any of these QBs are handling things: Watson, Wilson, and and Rodgers.
It seems to happen that these QBs get these $40 million a year deals, and then whine when their teams can't afford enough good players around them. What did you think would happen?
We all know he was pissed they went and grabbed Love, traded up no less. Doesn't matter that they have invested other later picks on the Offense...he is taking that high investment in his replacement and that they are playing with him regarding a longer term deal as not supporting him properly.
What did he do after being upset about the Love pick?...he went out and had one of the best seasons a QB has ever had. Throwing TD passes to whomever was on the roster. And despite OL injuries at end of season and some gaffes by the Defense and his "playmakers", he had the team on the cusp of a trip to the Super Bowl...yet again.
You may not like him, but Front office didn't play this one correctly...