He took over as GM in 2018. They finished poorly in 2018 at 6-9-1, but fired Mike McCarthy, and hired Lafleur. Since that, they've gone 26-6 and made it to the NFC Championship Game twice. So total record since being hired is 32-15-1 and 2 back to back NFC Championships in 3 seasons.
I know Love was a controversial pick last year, and I understand why, but almost the rest of that entire draft was spent on offense, mainly to protect Rodgers... RB, TE, G, and C were all picked after Love.
Gutenkunst has been with Green Bay since 1998:
-(1998–2011) Scout
-(2012–2015) Director of college scouting
-(2016–2017) Director of player personnel
-(2018-present) General manager
Seems like a natural, in house ascent that he was groomed for. Also looking at his past three drafts they don't really deviate from what Green Bay was doing under Ted Thompson, whom he undoubtedly learned everything from and was mentored by.
Is Rodgers beef really about the GM's performance or is it exclusively about Love?
Because if it's exclusively about Love it seems like a bad move to try and upset the apple cart of a franchise that front office that has been humming along for a long time, successfully. Even if Rodgers gets his wish (which I doubt) and they fire the GM, will he really be around long enough to see the repercussions of such a move?
sure Valdes-Scantling he was and he signed Tonyan, but his GM record if you want to do that is as spotty as anyone else's.
but it's basically irrelevant and a red herring.
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that means they won't even see Love play outside of injury or supreme decline in performance. So now that 1st round pick just sat for 4 years.
Say he sits for 3 years and plays 1 - then you are picking up his 5th year option before he even plays a meaningful down. Who here would love it if we did that? The answer is no one.
Management misplayed their hand big time on this one.
Can we count the times management misplayed their hand (Read, OL, for example) during Eli’s tenure? Not even a hint of a hissy fit..
Sure. Like I said above you think Rodgers is a baby, now what? Personally it doesn't matter to me because I watch his peers do the same thing and get what they want. I know for a fact Brady is like this, but Kraft has given him everything so we never really hear about the friction. Brees go everything he wanted even after his arm was gone and Peyton did whatever he could to keep a potent offense in tact.
And have you ever thought of what would have happened if Eli did speak out against McAdoo or Shurmur, or Reese after all those dreadful draft? Maybe your image of him would have changed, but I bet it would have been taken seriously, no way Mara would just let his star be publicly disgruntled.
If a middle-of-the-road QB acts this way, you move on. With Rodgers, you try to make it work.
If a middle-of-the-road QB acts this way, you move on. With Rodgers, you try to make it work.
But if the line in the sand has been drawn, by Rodgers, how do you really fire the GM? That's an unprecedented power play that could change the landscape of the NFL.
But they are not, because they are temporary. Their careers have a finite end point in one way or another. The franchise continues on.
So the quarterback's salary, no matter how impressive, is ultimately chump change in comparison to an overall franchise's worth.
only because Homer Jones wanted to give the GM credit for his (20 yards per catch).
Bit of a diva? He is worse than the top diva WRs. Any GM with a 36-year-old QB should be thinking about the future of the position, especially one with Rodgers, who has been a pri** for the last 5 or 6 years. GB has been great about getting him top notch receivers throughout his career. What should they have done while they were on the clock working out the trade, call Rodgers and ask if it was okay with him? But Rodgers learned from the best of the whiners, Favre.
Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way.
Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake...
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I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it.
Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way.
Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake...
What do you mean "what's at stake"? In the bigger picture, Aaron Rodgers' next 2-3 years of activity matters little to the overall Green Bay franchise, long term.
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Extremely whiny, petulant and entitled but like Waters, Rodgers is one of those rare examples where his talent makes up for it.
If a middle-of-the-road QB acts this way, you move on. With Rodgers, you try to make it work.
But if the line in the sand has been drawn, by Rodgers, how do you really fire the GM? That's an unprecedented power play that could change the landscape of the NFL.
I agree this is a tough one. We are entering NBA / European soccer territory here. But if you ultimately care about winning, who is the likely greater contributor, Rodgers or the current GM? On the other hand, if you care about the integrity of the organization, hierarchy, etc., it's hard to give in to Rodgers here. Really tough call.
But this is the analysis at this point in time. The team should have never let it come to this in the first place.
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I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it.
Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way.
Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake...
What do you mean "what's at stake"? In the bigger picture, Aaron Rodgers' next 2-3 years of activity matters little to the overall Green Bay franchise, long term.
Not sure where you are going with this franchise value concept. What's at stake imv is trying to win super bowl titles when you have an elite QB.
it does seem to all come back to that fact...
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I didn't bring him up. But since someone did I responded to it.
Yeah, I know. Liked your reply by the way.
Folks here getting to caught up in not liking Rodgers versus seeing what's at stake...
What do you mean "what's at stake"? In the bigger picture, Aaron Rodgers' next 2-3 years of activity matters little to the overall Green Bay franchise, long term.
Another 2-3 years could mean a Super Bowl title, which is forever. Once Rodgers leaves GB, they are basically the Lions, Bears or any other team without a top QB and there is no telling how long they will stay there. Could be decades.
The long term "what's at stake" is letting a player make a decision for your overall franchise's future beyond that player.
When Aaron Rodgers is done with football, in three years or less more than likely, Green Bay the franchise will continue on. Green Bay the franchise really should be focusing on this vs. letting Rodgers blow up the front office on his way out the front door for revenge against a perceived slight.
You can't run a football team by walking on eggshells around any specific player.
It's not complicated.
With more commercials.
It's not complicated.
Thanks for solving this. Call Green Bay up and tell them to go ahead and give the GM the pink slip.
With more commercials.
It's actually kind of ironic if you think about it.
The long term "what's at stake" is letting a player make a decision for your overall franchise's future beyond that player.
When Aaron Rodgers is done with football, in three years or less more than likely, Green Bay the franchise will continue on. Green Bay the franchise really should be focusing on this vs. letting Rodgers blow up the front office on his way out the front door for revenge against a perceived slight.
Nobody said the franchise won't go on...the republic will survive.
If GB franchise value is so strong relative to Rodger's salary/contract demands then why not just pay him? The GM comment is harsh but will fade, especially if they hold up a Lombardi.
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yeah, they may sacrifice their window of winning another championship (something they've been unable to do since 2010 but they have been knocking on the door). That's the short term what's at stake.
The long term "what's at stake" is letting a player make a decision for your overall franchise's future beyond that player.
When Aaron Rodgers is done with football, in three years or less more than likely, Green Bay the franchise will continue on. Green Bay the franchise really should be focusing on this vs. letting Rodgers blow up the front office on his way out the front door for revenge against a perceived slight.
Nobody said the franchise won't go on...the republic will survive.
If GB franchise value is so strong relative to Rodger's salary/contract demands then why not just pay him? The GM comment is harsh but will fade, especially if they hold up a Lombardi.
How do we know this is about money? Seems like Rodgers specifically wants the GM to lose his job. As he did with McCarthy.
Late stage Rodgers, 2021 NFL MVP, is he really worth keeping over the GM think about it 🤔🤔🤔
A new deal solves all. But now it may have gone too far and he could be heading to Denver on June 1...
Late stage Rodgers, 2021 NFL MVP, is he really worth keeping over the GM think about it 🤔🤔🤔
You can't bring up Eli and then pin it on me. I see no similarity whatsoever to Eli Manning's end of career situation and Rodgers, nor have I insinuated one or made one outright.
Yeah, that was a pathetic draft last year.
Getting too cute trying to replace Rodgers like Favre was replaced.
If Love was all that they thought he was, the packers should have traded Rogers this year for HUGE hall. They could have stacked their roster for years to come while the great JL runs the team.
Terribly run in GB.
I have been stumped by the Love pick since it happened. I was not for the Love pick and would be annoyed as a fan by the Love pick.
That said, if our team had the results of Green Bay I'm not sure his unhappiness would make me support giving him the power over the GM. Patrick Mahomes at 25? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe. Aaron Rodgers at 37? No.
I don't care about Rodgers age. He doesn't rely on speed/burst and his arm hasn't even shown signs of decline like that above 3 have had during their careers. Rodger's declining likely comes from a bad injury before its age driven.
But who cares anyway, they can win now by investing in the team for the now, and keeping their current star happy. Its a botch job, plain and simple. I hope GB really likes their longterm outlook because if they are trying to duplicate the Favre to Rodgers handoff they are going to likely be very disappointed.
I did not believe he would do what he did in Tampa.
I would be very surprised if Rodgers hoists another Lombardi. Not based on Rodgers skill, but just based on the odds.
Rodgers is a giant prick but his level of play has certainly covered up many of the Packers blemishes over the years.
He failed miserably.
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it's hard to think that you have done a great job. Seems like it is getting worse, instead of better. That said, Rogers, despite his incredible talent, seems like an entitled jerk as opposed to a team-first player.
What if the alienation is self inflicted? I mean, this is a guy that has cut off his own family for unknown reasons, right? Perhaps he is a malcontent that can never be made happy?
Rogers family is a bunch of super fundamentalist religious weirdos.
Everyone is talking about the roster and I think the biggest thing is that he has literally ZERO job security. He has no guaranteed money on his contract left and they drafted a QB in the first round last year. Which obviously means he can be cut loose at any moment. If we treated Eli like the Packers have treated Rogers, you'd lose it. Guy is getting treated like an also ran there, and not a franchise legend. One that is still at the top of his game.
You're right -- Rogers played the part of Love when joining the Packers. That might have given him a different perspective on the situation, but I guess it didn't.
Despite being a dick he's very philanthropic, and leads a pretty quite life despite his stardom. The guy wants the respect his peers get along with a full commitment by management, completely rational ask IMO.
Despite being a dick he's very philanthropic, and leads a pretty quite life despite his stardom. The guy wants the respect his peers get along with a full commitment by management, completely rational ask IMO.
That's why I think the contract is the biggest issue. Usually, the incumbent starter can look at some defining point in his contract with the guaranteed money and rationally look at it as his last year unless there is performance. Rogers can get cut loose any of the next 3 years. He's getting treated like some bum, If I were a franchise legend still playing at the top of my game I'd hate all the uncertainty moving forward, he's put his pelt on the wall. So this is him trying to force their hand to get it over with.
Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no?
I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case.
This implies that negotiations could have resulted in a new contract. Which also implies that, if an agreement could have been reached that ties Rodgers to the Packers for the next three years or longer, then everything could have been resolved.
The fact that the two sides have reached an impasse has taken the situation to Defcon 1. If a contactual impasse hadn’t been reached, logic suggests that Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t want out.
So what would it have taken to get a deal done? At a minimum, Rodgers wanted to shatter the year-to-year flexibility that the Packers currently possess. Whether it’s a two- or a three-year thing, Rodgers hoped for something that would have removed the uncertainty that necessarily flows from the presence of Jordan Love.
But it’s more than security and commitment. Money has something to do with it, too. And not just for money’s sake. At a time when Rodgers has felt chronically disrespected by the front office, the front office had a way to show him respect.
You show him respect by taking his current contract, which carries a new-money average of $33.5 million (same as Jared Goff and Carson Wentz) and you increase it. Significantly.
How significantly? Well, Rodgers was the best player in the NFL last year. And the highest paid player in the NFL makes $45 million per year. And a league source tells PFT that, at one point during the talks, Rodgers’ representatives asked for Rodgers to be the highest-paid player in football.
Pandemic, schmandemic. The Packers enjoyed record revenues in their most recently completed fiscal year, generating $70 million in raw profit for a team with no owner to use it to buy super-yacht. With no owner, the most important person in the entire corporation was been, and still is, Rodgers. And if he believes he’s been disrespected (most notably by the selection of Jordan Love in round one a year ago), what better way to command respect than to demand Patrick Mahomes money, plus at least one dollar?
Yes, Rodgers always has agreed to ultra-long extensions when he could have played it like Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott, declining offers, forcing franchise tags, and ultimately squeezing top dollar. Regardless, Rodgers is squeezing now. The fact that it didn’t work at the bargaining table means that the squeezing will have to happen elsewhere.
And it is, even if he has yet to admit that it is.
Seems to me that if he wanted more money, and what you all are saying is true about him being treated like a bum in his contract, he could simply say he wants more money vs. telling the franchise they need to fire the GM, no?
I mean, he did take them to two NFC Championships and won the MVP, so he'd have a case.
Well I just looked it up and I'm mistaken. I was listening to a supposed Packers fan that said he had almost no guaranteed money left on his deal. That apparently isn't the case. But he is imminently cuttable or tradeable after June 1st of this year. So 3 years with little job security for a league legend is crazy. I'm sure when he signed that contract he certainly didn't see a 1st round QB being draft so soon with so many years left, play elite football.
Well he got saddled with an awful NFL head football coach who road the coattails of two HOF QBs who was mailing it in and now is getting treated by his FO like some journeyman bum. But I guess he should just sit there and take it.
But demanding the GM be fired or you're going to retire is over the top.
Keep it about the money.