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NGT: Has the Packers GM really done a bad job?

Britt in VA : 9:31 am
He took over as GM in 2018. They finished poorly in 2018 at 6-9-1, but fired Mike McCarthy, and hired Lafleur. Since that, they've gone 26-6 and made it to the NFC Championship Game twice. So total record since being hired is 32-15-1 and 2 back to back NFC Championships in 3 seasons.

I know Love was a controversial pick last year, and I understand why, but almost the rest of that entire draft was spent on offense, mainly to protect Rodgers... RB, TE, G, and C were all picked after Love.

Gutenkunst has been with Green Bay since 1998:

-(1998–2011) Scout
-(2012–2015) Director of college scouting
-(2016–2017) Director of player personnel
-(2018-present) General manager

Seems like a natural, in house ascent that he was groomed for. Also looking at his past three drafts they don't really deviate from what Green Bay was doing under Ted Thompson, whom he undoubtedly learned everything from and was mentored by.

Is Rodgers beef really about the GM's performance or is it exclusively about Love?

Because if it's exclusively about Love it seems like a bad move to try and upset the apple cart of a franchise that front office that has been humming along for a long time, successfully. Even if Rodgers gets his wish (which I doubt) and they fire the GM, will he really be around long enough to see the repercussions of such a move?
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He drafted Dillon  
KWALL2 : 2:14 pm : link
Thats a great pick. I would have let Jones go and give Dillon the full time job. That was the move there. Yeah, Rodgers is right. Fire this guy!

Funny how Rodgers crying about a QB drafted.

If they didn't like the players in the draft range, and there wasn't a lot there, then why not go for QB you believe in? It has to be more, Rodgers can't be crying about this a year later.
I mean, revenge for what exactly?  
Britt in VA : 2:15 pm : link
This new GM has only been there three years (as the actual GM), paid Rodgers a new contract upon becoming the GM, and they've been to two NFC Championships.

What exactly does Rodgers want revenge for? How has he been slighted, and why does this GM get all the wrath?
Make Rodgers the GM  
rocco8112 : 2:16 pm : link
Problem solved.
RE: I mean, revenge for what exactly?  
Jimmy Googs : 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15251832 Britt in VA said:
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This new GM has only been there three years (as the actual GM), paid Rodgers a new contract upon becoming the GM, and they've been to two NFC Championships.

What exactly does Rodgers want revenge for? How has he been slighted, and why does this GM get all the wrath?


I don't know if revenge is the right term as it is about leverage really.

But old saying that if you aren't playing Offense than you're playing defense. Rodgers is on the offensive right now...
RE: Are there examples besides Brady  
bw in dc : 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15251785 UConn4523 said:
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of QBs taking less to win? It’s long rumored that Kraft funded some of TB12 among other things, so I’m not even sure Brady is a good example. But let’s say that isn’t true, it’s still just 1 QB. I can think of anyone in their prime that gave up money and none at all that did so after winning MVP.

GB barely signs FA anyway which is another problem.


In 2019 they broke their thriftiness and went heavy on the Smith boys and Amos on D. They were very aggressive trying to take advantage of their window by fixing their crumbling D.

Brady didn't break Tampa's bank. And I believe he recently restructured his contract again.

So if one of the GOATs is willing to concede on market value, a guy like AaRod, also on the back nine of his career, should, IMV, think similarly - if he truly wants more trophies.
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In comment 15251745 Go Terps said:
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Green Bay led the league in points scored, passing TDs, AY/A, and passing TD%. They had the best record in the NFC, and were in a coin flip game to go to the Super Bowl.

Drafting Love over Tee Higgins did not hold them back.


So the idea is that being significantly better at WR2 couldn't have helped them win a "coinflip" game? Or the same at CB? Or OL? In a lot of ways, that's the exact point. Rodgers instantly makes them one of the best offenses in the league. Had they made any effort to really give him every weapon they could (at the same time Tampa was doing exactly that for Tom Brady), seems very possible those additional pieces could have made the incremental difference that puts them over the top when it mattered.

In a year when they were clearly viewed as contenders, they came out of the first three rounds of the draft without a player with any real clear path to contribute. This followed a relatively quiet free agency period. I think Rodgers frustration was larger than not adding a WR, but rather, appearing to make no real significant effort to go for it at all...which has been a complaint of his with the organization for several years.
RE: RE: Are there examples besides Brady  
In comment 15251920 bw in dc said:
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of QBs taking less to win? It’s long rumored that Kraft funded some of TB12 among other things, so I’m not even sure Brady is a good example. But let’s say that isn’t true, it’s still just 1 QB. I can think of anyone in their prime that gave up money and none at all that did so after winning MVP.

GB barely signs FA anyway which is another problem.



In 2019 they broke their thriftiness and went heavy on the Smith boys and Amos on D. They were very aggressive trying to take advantage of their window by fixing their crumbling D.

Brady didn't break Tampa's bank. And I believe he recently restructured his contract again.

So if one of the GOATs is willing to concede on market value, a guy like AaRod, also on the back nine of his career, should, IMV, think similarly - if he truly wants more trophies.


This I agree with fully and is where I take issue with some of Rodgers' complaints (and a guy like Russ Wilson as well).
why though?  
UConn4523 : 3:57 pm : link
Brady is literally the only example of this happening and there's plenty of smoke around off the record compensation. I don't think Brady is squeaky clean at all, especially in his time in NE.

For Brady it was easy to take less, he's 42 not 36/37. He also handpicked his players, something Rodgers never has been able to do.
RE: i feel bad for Jordan Love  
schabadoo : 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15251285 Platos said:
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i hope he's great kinda just to shove it in closeted Rodgers face


Jesus, this crap again?
You feel bad for an overdrafted QB  
UConn4523 : 7:46 pm : link
with mediocre college production for collecting millions for nothing?

He’s got the best job in football right now.
RE: RE: i feel bad for Jordan Love  
PwndPapi : 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15252160 schabadoo said:
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i hope he's great kinda just to shove it in closeted Rodgers face



Jesus, this crap again?


Rodgers has tapped some primo tail. I'm going to go out on a limb and chalk this up to envy. We should all be as closeted as AR.
RE: Rodgers is old and declining. Trade him for whatever you can get.  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/5/2021 6:26 am : link
In comment 15251229 Ivan15 said:
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No compromises like agreeing to trade Love. He is not Tom Brady, and based on his stance, he isn’t a QB who is going to lead your team any further. He did it once. That’s all he gets.


You are right. He is not Tom Brady. He is better. Even Brady has conceded that.
RE: RE: Love was the straw that broke the camel's back  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/5/2021 6:36 am : link
In comment 15251302 HomerJones45 said:
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Rodgers was already angry about the lack of resources allocated to the offense in the drafts.

Since they drafted Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod, a pair of OT's, in 2010 and 2011 the only 1st Round pick on offense has been Jordan Love. Prior to Jordan Love, the last offensive skill position player taken in Round 1 was Aaron Rodgers. Davante Adams was their only 2nd round pick from 2012 to the present not allocated to RB, OL, or Defense. Aaron Rodgers does not want to run the ball, he would be happy passing 50 times a game like Ben Roethlisberger was doing at times in Pittsburgh last year. When the only pass catchers you select in the top 2 rounds from 2009 to the present are Randall Cobb and Davante Adams that is nothing. As much as Kevin King did not help matters defensively, they were in the game until Tampa took away Adams and Tonyan. Had they used 2020 1st Rounder on Tee Higgins, Brandon Aiyuk, or Michael Pittman and the 2020 2nd Rounder on someone more electric like Antonio Gibson I think the Packers win against Tampa Bay.

Stupid talking point. When you are able to come up with Davante Adams in the second round, Aaron Jones in the 5th round, Valdes-Scantling and his 20 yard a catch average in the 6th round, Jamaal Williams in the 4th round,Tonyon off the Lions scrap heap, you don't really need to be spending first round picks. If our GM was doing that, we'd be performing cartwheels.

Love is not the issue except with the sporting press (Love is represented by the same agent as Rodgers- Athletes First). It's about $$$$. He sees guys like Mahomes and Prescott walking away with huge money. He sees DE, LT's and LB's ahead of him on the contract value list. Cut Aaron a check or re-work his deal, and he won't care if Jesus Christ is drafted in the first round.


Exactly right.
RE: RE: There's more to it than Love.  
section125 : 5/5/2021 7:00 am : link
In comment 15251261 UConn4523 said:
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They haven't surrounded Rodgers with much talent. He spoke out about McCarthy and that seems to he true. Then, supposedly, the GM said he was going to trade Rodgers but then backed off of that stance without telling Rodgers. Would I have handled it the way he has? No. But that doesn't mean he is wrong for what has happened.



Yup. Not sure why so many fans take such a hard stance on things when a player speaks their mind. They aren't slaves, they are allow to be displeased with management and voice their opinions. The old way of doing business is long gone in sports, time to get used to it.


Tired of this lazy condescending nonsense. He is an employee getting paid millions per year. How the hell is that being a slave? Granted he could be considered upper level employee, but it does not give him the right to black mail the organization. I almost wish they could trade him to some scrub team and let him see what shitty talent looks like. How do you think he would with the Jets? He'd be looking through his earhole every play.

I look at GB's offense and I admire the talent. They ate teams last year. He didn't have Daniel Jones level of garbage around him. The Packers lost to Tampa because his All Pro LT got hurt, just like Mahomes lost because his LT and RT were hurt. This is the same Tampa team that was two horrible Daniel Jones INTs away from losing to the Giants.

And if this is about Love, the whiny ass bitch forgot he was drafted to replace Favre too in much the same fashion.

I did not like what Deshaun Watson did, and I think he has a much bigger and legit gripe. I think Rodgers has only marginal, at best, reason to complain. Does anyone think Tampa beats GB if Bakhtiari is in that game? No way. It wasn't his weapons that lost the game, it was protection. How many teams have All Pro level LT sitting on the bench as backups?
No, you are just missing it because you clearly dislike him  
chick310 : 5/5/2021 8:14 am : link
and cannot see his view of things.
section  
UConn4523 : 5/5/2021 8:21 am : link
call it what you want. Plenty of "shut up and play" comments on here that are even lazier and more condescending but call me whatever you want.

I don't care how much money he makes, if he has a legit gripe he should be able address it. You might not like how he's doing it, but apparently GB is handling this poorly enough to force his hand, so he did.
you are also making the mistake  
UConn4523 : 5/5/2021 8:24 am : link
thinking its only about Love. He just played all season with Love, there's more to it.
What if  
The Jake : 5/5/2021 2:41 pm : link
Rodgers had the year he had last year BECAUSE of how pissed off he was about the team drafting Love?

If that's the case, the GM is a genius.
RE: Revenge is the concept I'm having trouble with, here.  
The Jake : 5/5/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15251826 Britt in VA said:
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I think it's about revenge for not consulting with him for drafting Love, or at least that's how it appears. Brady would get that "respect" and Rodgers didn't.
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