if the Giants are interested. It is a great landing spot because he would have a great opportunity to have a one year prove it deal and have a real chance to get a starting spot.
Mainly because we don’t know him but hes started 90 career games and is 30. So he’s the vet depth along with Harrison. I’d love turner but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
kick the tires on Turner, see how much he would cost.
It could be an upgrade at an untested RG in Hernandez.
Apparently from what someone had posted previously,
Hernandez only played LG in college as well.
I don't think signing Turner would happen quickly though.
having a total case of monday, so I can't think of which teams this might be, but I think what the Giants will probably do is identify which teams have a logjam of quality interior lineman, figure on who is likely to be cut loose during training camp and who of those guys would be valid replacement/competition on our team, then put those guys on their radar. Then have an understanding with Trai that he contact the Giants before he sign with anyone else, then they just wait to see how things play out.
To someone who’s best play is behind him, making the vet minimum, because of a shaky 2020. Only on BBI.
Or - you might want to look at the circumstances he's had in the past two seasons. The Panthers swapped him for Russell Okung, even though Turner had just made his 5th Pro Bowl. The word around the team was he was rapidly declining, probably through a combination of his injury and declining play starting to show. His last two Pro Bowls likely came more on name recognition
That Okung trade was a bust for both teams. Okung was injured and Turner played really poorly.
How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
Good post. I think the plan is hopefully Hernandez can find new life at RG. I'm not expert, but when I watch Hernandez in space it's like his feet move in cement, which is tough to block the athletes the NFL has on the second level in space. It isn't UTEP anymore.
How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
excellent post, my feelings exactly
Also you don't sign a FA like turner when you're in the middle of signing UDFA's.
In comment 15251499 Rjanyg said:
[quote] How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important. [/quote
We are NOT signing a pro bowler off the street. OL play around the league is very mediocre, at best! No one is giving up a competent player.
They are developing 4 young players. That’s a full days work. You can’t keep turning over OL every year. No continuity means no cohesion. Some people don’t seem to get that.
Over the last 10 years the issues have been as much about coaching as it did about the wrong players. (Ex: Flowers was a terrible tackle, but Washington at least tried him at guard , where he was serviceable. Did we do that? No, that’s a coaching issue)
Judge is a teacher. Everyone on his staff is too. He realizes that developing young players is how you get good and stay good.
Perhaps it was discussed already but why did Trey Smith fall all the way to the end of round 6? I'll be honest I loved the first four picks but I was disappointed that they passed on Trey Smith twice in the 6th round.
Going into the draft Trey Smith was expected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round range. Did the history of blood clots cause his fall?
How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
Good post. I think the plan is hopefully Hernandez can find new life at RG. I'm not expert, but when I watch Hernandez in space it's like his feet move in cement, which is tough to block the athletes the NFL has on the second level in space. It isn't UTEP anymore.
Why does everyone assume that WH is moving to RG? When Zietler got hurt it was SL that moved to RG.
It could be an upgrade at an untested RG in Hernandez.
Apparently from what someone had posted previously,
Hernandez only played LG in college as well.
I don't think signing Turner would happen quickly though.
Or - you might want to look at the circumstances he's had in the past two seasons. The Panthers swapped him for Russell Okung, even though Turner had just made his 5th Pro Bowl. The word around the team was he was rapidly declining, probably through a combination of his injury and declining play starting to show. His last two Pro Bowls likely came more on name recognition
That Okung trade was a bust for both teams. Okung was injured and Turner played really poorly.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
Good post. I think the plan is hopefully Hernandez can find new life at RG. I'm not expert, but when I watch Hernandez in space it's like his feet move in cement, which is tough to block the athletes the NFL has on the second level in space. It isn't UTEP anymore.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
excellent post, my feelings exactly
Also you don't sign a FA like turner when you're in the middle of signing UDFA's.
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[quote] How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important. [/quote
This is some valid insight Rja
They are developing 4 young players. That’s a full days work. You can’t keep turning over OL every year. No continuity means no cohesion. Some people don’t seem to get that.
Over the last 10 years the issues have been as much about coaching as it did about the wrong players. (Ex: Flowers was a terrible tackle, but Washington at least tried him at guard , where he was serviceable. Did we do that? No, that’s a coaching issue)
Judge is a teacher. Everyone on his staff is too. He realizes that developing young players is how you get good and stay good.
Zeitler isn’t as good as he was 5 years ago but he’s not trash. The Ravens, who are usually very good assessing talent signed him to 3 years, $22M.
I like Villanueva too. Tough gritty player and a former Army Football player. Not sure what he has left, but he’d be good depth at least.
Going into the draft Trey Smith was expected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round range. Did the history of blood clots cause his fall?
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How the Giants handled our O line last year is very telling. They got Lemieux and Peart reps as starters many times, getting them valuable experience and allowing the coaches to see them in gameday situations. The coaches are not just projecting Peart and Lemieux, they are going off of last years play in a year where we had Solder opt out and no off season and a strange preseason. Gates had never played center before last season and progressively got better as the season went along. We all want to shit on Hernandez but he may actually be better on the right side dealing with 1 Tech DT rather than 3 techs and WLB.
The line will be working together for the 2nd straight year with only Hernandez moving positions. This is a big deal. Continuity is important.
Good post. I think the plan is hopefully Hernandez can find new life at RG. I'm not expert, but when I watch Hernandez in space it's like his feet move in cement, which is tough to block the athletes the NFL has on the second level in space. It isn't UTEP anymore.
Why does everyone assume that WH is moving to RG? When Zietler got hurt it was SL that moved to RG.