Listening to WFAN and Terry Bradshaw was very much against all of the QBs asking for trades. But Moose and Maggie brought up the NBA as the new school of player empowerment. I think there are some political undertones when it comes to player empowerment. And I feel like it's touchy subject if someone would be against it because then you're siding with the billionaire owners who aren't the ones putting their bodies on the line. But what about what's good for the game as a whole? Arguably the super teams have ruined the NBA in a lot of fans' eyes. If we were to just side with the players on every issue we wouldn't have things like the cap. As great as it sounds politically about players sticking it to the rich owners collecting paychecks, quite often what's best for the fans and the game is NOT players deciding that they and their buddies want to play for a specific team. Thankfully, the NFL is not the NBA and even if a few great players go to a team it doesn't automatically get them a ring. What are your thoughts?
He'd be FMiA.
Bradshaw also was very vocally against Elway's refusal to play for the Colts back in 1983.
so do I
Bradshaw also was very vocally against Elway's refusal to play for the Colts back in 1983.
And TB is entitled to his opinions as much as those who take the opposite POV. Me? I side with TB on this one.
Players risk their lives and health to make the money they do. They get rich and the owners get rich. I think most fans want to forget that these guys are employees and employers and not one happy family only trying to win a championship for their city and fans.
The MVP caliber NFL QB is the one other team sport athlete who can attempt to use a similar sort of leverage. But even with QBs, so much of it has to do with the rest of your team and the scheme/coaching. So even an all-time great like Rodgers can’t call his shots like an NBA superstar. However, guys like Rodgers/Peyton/Mahomes/Brady can still have a strong influence on the teams direction.
Rodgers and Wilson are just trying to push the boundaries but there’s a ceiling to the impact 1 player can have on an NFL team, so you won’t see it become the NBA anytime soon.
I do hope the contract structure of the league changes to benefit the players.
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a 2 contracts for hundreds of millions whine how his employer is disrespecting him.
Bradshaw also was very vocally against Elway's refusal to play for the Colts back in 1983.
And TB is entitled to his opinions as much as those who take the opposite POV. Me? I side with TB on this one.
I'm with ya.
I do have a problem with Winston and Aron Rogers who sign contracts and then decide they want to move.
I do have a problem with Winston and Aron Rogers who sign contracts and then decide they want to move.
If a team can exercise its leverage to not honor a contract with a player it deems to be underperforming, then a player should be able to exercise his leverage to not honor a contract with a team that he deems to be underperforming.
The NFL is just usually not a league where the player has that kind of leverage, but Rodgers might.
The MVP caliber NFL QB is the one other team sport athlete who can attempt to use a similar sort of leverage. But even with QBs, so much of it has to do with the rest of your team and the scheme/coaching. So even an all-time great like Rodgers can’t call his shots like an NBA superstar. However, guys like Rodgers/Peyton/Mahomes/Brady can still have a strong influence on the teams direction.
Rodgers and Wilson are just trying to push the boundaries but there’s a ceiling to the impact 1 player can have on an NFL team, so you won’t see it become the NBA anytime soon.
I do hope the contract structure of the league changes to benefit the players.
This is all well meaning, but there will always be a power imbalance between employer and employee in any line of work.
You could argue from a purely compensatory standpoint, that pro athletes get what they're worth if they can prove their performance on the field, letting their agents take care of the dirty work and ensuring maximum value for their client.
Whenever things become unbearable at one employer, you either find a new one or you start your own gig. Since NFL players are in the business of playing sports not managing it, the second option is out.
I can respect the nuance here that a player under contract cannot just switch teams at will. That's something the normal everyday employee isn't subjected to. That should be something written into the contract possibly (hard to enforce really "if management becomes unreasonable, player can opt out of contract" haha), or maybe the league can serve as the impartial jury to mediate problems.
End of the day, you cannot give the employee more power than the employer, either directly or indirectly. I'm not a business owner, nor a brownnoser of management, but the general principle is the owner of a business took the risks and did the hard work to establish the company (and must continue to do so). That always outranks the talent and everything else star employees can bring unless they're legitimately bringing in all of those things as well.
If the QB is now seen as the talent rainmaker, things could theoretically change. Nothing is pure black and white, but very very few players could qualify in this capacity, and only Brady is willing to alter his salary for the better good of the team unlike Rodgers and Wilson.
I spent the weekend watching a huge basketball tournament in PA. Elementary to high school kids. The hustle they showed would put some pro's to shame. At the high school level these kids are laying it on the line on offense and defense and it just seems like a totally different sport than the pros. For me its so much more interesting to watch.
Players risk their lives and health to make the money they do. They get rich and the owners get rich. I think most fans want to forget that these guys are employees and employers and not one happy family only trying to win a championship for their city and fans.
Most players don't get rich.
Fans have the ability to change employment/careers tomorrow,if they choose...the best professional athletes get that chance once (maybe 2-3) in a career.
Saying Rodgers doesn't have a point makes no sense. They were 2-3 players from being a SB Championship level team and traded up to take QB and RB in the 2nd (when they have a great RB)? WTF? When you have a top 2 QB in the NFL, you do everything you can to win now!
I hate the Cowgirls and Jerrah...but that dude tries to win every year. His moves don't always work, but you can't question is competitiveness. GB just trying to be relevant every year would piss me off as a fan...imagine how pissed you'd be if you were their starting QB?
What should a player do? Shut his mouth for 10 years and go quietly in to the night? Why? What is this?
Why can't a player speak up? Also, no one here knows WHY Rodgers is angry with the front office. It's high right to be angry. ESPN talking shit or speculating as to why isn't the truth. It's speculation.
Rodgers has every right to speak up even if the front office bakes him cookies every night and runs every transaction through him for approval. Maybe he hates the Italian food in GB. Maybe he just wants to go elsewhere. Who cares why? He's a 3 time MVP. Want to talk shit? Earn it. Rodgers has. Don't want your franchise QB to grow crankt? Don't conduct football moves or make personnel decisions that incur the QB's wrath. Simple as that.
Sports are evolving right there with society. And if you are going to create a passing league and dumb down the rules to greatly favor QB's, well, the leverage is in favor of the elite passers.
Separately when you sign a contract its to be paid for services rendered. You are allowed to not show up for work (no matter how much of a bad look that is), and the team is allowed to not pay you in return. Nothing at all wrong with it outside of "optics" which isn't something I care a whole lot about in Sports.
so if you sign a player for 3 years at $10mil per year and cut him after 1 season you still owe him $20 Mil. But if he signs with another team for $2 mil then his cap hit for the original team is only $2 mil for the remaining years. You are still on the hook for the difference is contract.
Teams should have to pay for bad deals they sign and players should be protected.