I really liked the draft. I was a Waddle guy, every person that liked Waddle to NY loves this draft. I will not explain why, it should be obvious. The picks for next year are huge. Very valuable. More players and more information on the players against better competition.
I liked every single pick.
I want to talk about Gettleman.
His bad choices were his choices and his good choices are Judge’s, I see as a theme on BBI.
There was an organizational change in power.
No, there was not.
How about, all GMs try to get the coaches players that they want? Sometimes they disagree and I think we hear about those. Dysfunctional GM/Coach relationships end in disaster.
DG’s mistake was hiring Shurmur. Being an adult was not a sufficient criteria for the head coach search. It is very easy for me to believe that Shurmur wanted Barkley or was willing to rubber stamp without challenge.
Have you ever made a bad hire? As an executive, HR and hiring are what I feel that I am exceptional at. It is not easy, and still, I have made some bad hires. The evidence is starting to pile up that Judge and DG make a good team. I see no need to push success on one of the pair to lessen the other. DG did not arrive a failure.
The NY Giants hired a GM that many of you did not want. You didn’t get your way. The results were poor. Your criticism was warranted. We had a widely respect draft this year. Give the organization credit and let’s see how it applies on the field in 2021.
I am excited.
Among his other positive traits, Judge commands respect.
Shurmur wants to be in a corner designing plays.
That Gettleman was a bystander, albeit a very capable one, just waiting for his prince to show up in Judge to make a perfect pair.
Maybe you meant something else but that's my read...
That Gettleman was a bystander, albeit a very capable one, just waiting for his prince to show up in Judge to make a perfect pair.
Maybe you meant something else but that's my read...
DG hired Shurmur.
He gets that blame.
DG and Shurmur get the blame for what happened.
Shurmur got fired.
He hires Judge.
DG and Judge get credit for what is happening.
DG was not a bystander for Shurmur and he is not a bystander for Judge.
He got the first hire wrong and the second one correct.
We are witnessing the results.
JonC had it correct with the sausage analogy.
In a nutshell.
DG got too much blame and now Judge is getting too much credit.
It is almost as if people were mad that the NYG picked someone that was familiar to them rather than someone that was outside the organization and have made their opinions based on a personal agenda?
It is almost as if people were mad that the NYG picked someone that was familiar to them rather than someone that was outside the organization and have made their opinions based on a personal agenda?
My reason for hope is that one way or another Gettleman isn't long for this organization, and the people that figure to replace him seem like improvements. I expect his 2018 and 2019 mistakes aren't long for the organization either.
I ascribe some of it to Judge but a lot of it to a COVID year and how that changed everything about the evaluation and draft process (for both 2021 and 2022).
Turned around? The draft is promising but this was still a crappy 6-10 team last season.
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I have a hard time believing Gettleman changed his methods independently of Judge and O'Brien being introduced. I think it's just as likely that Gettleman is being phased out - but I have no idea.
My reason for hope is that one way or another Gettleman isn't long for this organization, and the people that figure to replace him seem like improvements. I expect his 2018 and 2019 mistakes aren't long for the organization either.
I ascribe some of it to Judge but a lot of it to a COVID year and how that changed everything about the evaluation and draft process (for both 2021 and 2022).
Not my point. Talking about them being strategic and different from some of the prior years. It might not be all Judge but a confluence of factors. But you go ahead and insist want you want. Not sure why we bother discussing because, it's something you seem not to be able to do.
Yes!
To the same degree?
Not close.
Young QB 2 years in, 2 coaches, 2 systems.
Young and new OL in new positions.
1st year, 1st time HC.
You think it possible that it was easier for team with veteran QB and coach that have been working together for years?
Miami - 10-6 (404 points scored)
LA Chargers - 7-9 (384)
Washington - 7-9 (335)
Giants - 6-10 (280)
COVID is a lame excuse for the offensive football the Giants played last year. Lame almost as the offense itself.
Putting aside the fact that the team hasn't shown it has turned around yet although we all hope and pray 2021 is much better. DG should definitely get some of the credit if it indeed happens, but 4 years isn't exactly "kicking ass and taking names". I am sure you feel differently.
Miami - 10-6 (404 points scored)
LA Chargers - 7-9 (384)
Washington - 7-9 (335)
Giants - 6-10 (280)
COVID is a lame excuse for the offensive football the Giants played last year. Lame almost as the offense itself.
Didn't Fitzpatrick play most of the season for Miami and Washington had Alex Smith play most of the year. Herbert is universally considered a top young QB and at least currently Jones is not on the same level.
Miami - 10-6 (404 points scored)
LA Chargers - 7-9 (384)
Washington - 7-9 (335)
Giants - 6-10 (280)
COVID is a lame excuse for the offensive football the Giants played last year. Lame almost as the offense itself.
Jesus, the topic was a shift in drafting process. All I was trying to point out was that in addition to Judge, the team's way of approaching the draft, including trading into next year's draft, could have been (and, IMO, *was*) influenced by COVID. They put great stock, as they emphasized this past weekend, on personal interviews at the combine and pro days. Plus, as was repeated numerous times this past weekend, this year's selection was overall thin and next year's is overall rich. Scouting was impaired this year and will be better this year. IMO, this made them very open to trying to gain capital next year.
Nothing from me about COVID and the team's performance this past year; just to be on topic about their draft approach.
This is behind The Athletic's paywall so hopefully this isn't too much:
As the Giants brass interviewed those candidates, each identified Judge as a coach they wanted to add to their prospective staffs. That got the attention of Mara, who researched Judge and became more intrigued after learning that the young coach had spent three years on Nick Saban’s staff at Alabama before joining the Patriots in 2012.
The Giants submitted a request to interview McDaniels again. And they added another request since they were planning to be in Foxboro after the Patriots’ wild-card game against the Titans.
“We figured if we’re going to go up there anyway, let’s see what this Joe Judge is all about,” Mara told The Athletic.
“I was coming out of running a meeting and I passed Bill in the hallway and he just kind of said, ‘Oh, by the way, a request came in and we can talk about it later,’” Judge said.
“He’s always been very fond of the Giants organization from his time here. It’s just a place you can tell is very special to him,” Judge said. “He said it’s a great place, you definitely want to go meet these people."
In a way as Giant fans we can thank Bill Belichick for all 4 of the Super Bowls the Giants have won. Hopefully we can thank him for a few more in my lifetime.
Miami - 10-6 (404 points scored)
LA Chargers - 7-9 (384)
Washington - 7-9 (335)
Giants - 6-10 (280)
COVID is a lame excuse for the offensive football the Giants played last year. Lame almost as the offense itself.
No excuses this year.
He wont need them, the window for firing DG is gone. Giants are going to win the division in 2022. DG will likely get to retire on his own terms, knowing he left us in a good place.
Don't get it twisted, I don't think he has been great. It is meh right now. I would have fired him at the end of the year. I said so. It did not happen and according to ownership, they kept DG liked the collaboration Looks like the reviled Mara may have it right. They killed the offseason in my opinion. I think Jones does better than 2019 in 2021.
Get ready. This is a team on the rise. I feel it in my bones.
2021 season starts with more offensive struggles. It becomes clear something is not working between Garrett, Jones, and the offensive line. Garrett is out as offensive coordinator at the bye. Jones continues to be poor in the pocket and hampers what could otherwise be a good team. By around Halloween we're regretting not getting a better backup than Glennon. Giants finish the season around 6-11/7-10, and enter the 2022 offseason with two top 10-ish picks to get their new QB, and do it right this time...with Judge's influence leading the way.
I agree it's a team on the rise. Just not in 2021.
This is behind The Athletic's paywall so hopefully this isn't too much:
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To explain how the Giants discovered Judge, whose one and only NFL head coaching interview came with the team last Jan. 6, one must go back two years earlier. Co-owner John Mara, general manager Dave Gettleman and assistant general manager Kevin Abrams traveled to Foxboro, Mass., on Jan. 5, 2018, to interview Patriots coordinators Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels for the Giants’ head coaching vacancy.
As the Giants brass interviewed those candidates, each identified Judge as a coach they wanted to add to their prospective staffs. That got the attention of Mara, who researched Judge and became more intrigued after learning that the young coach had spent three years on Nick Saban’s staff at Alabama before joining the Patriots in 2012.
The Giants submitted a request to interview McDaniels again. And they added another request since they were planning to be in Foxboro after the Patriots’ wild-card game against the Titans.
“We figured if we’re going to go up there anyway, let’s see what this Joe Judge is all about,” Mara told The Athletic.
“I was coming out of running a meeting and I passed Bill in the hallway and he just kind of said, ‘Oh, by the way, a request came in and we can talk about it later,’” Judge said.
“He’s always been very fond of the Giants organization from his time here. It’s just a place you can tell is very special to him,” Judge said. “He said it’s a great place, you definitely want to go meet these people."
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In a way as Giant fans we can thank Bill Belichick for all 4 of the Super Bowls the Giants have won. Hopefully we can thank him for a few more in my lifetime.
2021 season starts with more offensive struggles. It becomes clear something is not working between Garrett, Jones, and the offensive line. Garrett is out as offensive coordinator at the bye. Jones continues to be poor in the pocket and hampers what could otherwise be a good team. By around Halloween we're regretting not getting a better backup than Glennon. Giants finish the season around 6-11/7-10, and enter the 2022 offseason with two top 10-ish picks to get their new QB, and do it right this time...with Judge's influence leading the way.
I agree it's a team on the rise. Just not in 2021.
I just hope Mara understands the process and gives Judge a long leash. Mara needs to view Judge’s arrival as the beginning of a multi-year rebuild. Based on what transpired during the draft, I’m hopeful that is the strategy.
Sounds collaborative.
DG comes off as a condescending know it all. This might have worked in the 80s and 90s when he was coming up in the organization, but there were only 3 regional beat reporters and maybe a national reporter from SI or ESPN who showed up once in a while but it does not come off nearly as well in the Twitter-verse. Some people on BBI like it and some people hate it.
Honestly, I don't really care if DG is likeable or not, but his teams have won 15 games on his watch. You try to can put that record on coaches, players or just plain bad luck but at some point the buck stops with the guy making the decisions and that is DG. He went on a very long limb with Jones in 2019 and if the team does not win this year then he should do us all a favor and retire to Cape Cod.
Not to mention, just about all those wins have come against other bad football teams. DG has earned every bit of the criticism he gets. Lots of bad/questionable moves.
I'm a Judge fan and like the way he's changed the culture...BUT...he's still a 6-10 NFL HC (2 wins better than Shurmer), and more importantly, is going to have to move from a gimmicky HC (at times) to someone the players truly respect. Making assistant coaches run and rolling in the mud is cool...but players see through it at some point. It's also easier to make a relatively young roster buy in. As the roster gets older, how will they react to JJs schtick. Time will tell...
The roster feels much improved over last season. I was down on Jones through most of last season but feel like he was starting to improve until the injury. That was some critical evaluation time lost and he obviously came back a couple weeks too early and looked awful in that first game back. Looked better again once he healed up some more.
I'm hopeful right now and like him as a person and his positive traits as a player, but if he continues to be a turnover machine the team should rightfully move on using their 2 1st rounders next year. This will be the best set of skill players at his disposal in his entire football career. I don't think anyone at all can rightfully exclaim how it'll go at this point.
2021 season starts with more offensive struggles. It becomes clear something is not working between Garrett, Jones, and the offensive line. Garrett is out as offensive coordinator at the bye. Jones continues to be poor in the pocket and hampers what could otherwise be a good team. By around Halloween we're regretting not getting a better backup than Glennon. Giants finish the season around 6-11/7-10, and enter the 2022 offseason with two top 10-ish picks to get their new QB, and do it right this time...with Judge's influence leading the way.
I agree it's a team on the rise. Just not in 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gls86MCtqcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO9mYM90-tU
Terps, that is like vanilla ice cream and hot fudge. Made for each other. Jones throws such a catchable ball. Healthy Barkley a TE that can block and catch. WHen the decision making gets ugly he is going to chuck it to Golloday. Good. Throw in some shovel passes and screens to Toney and those AY/A you like are going to go WAY up. Big plays baby.
Try and jump into the lake of hope, the water is nice.
Thank you.
But the way this year's draft was managed seemed extremely Patriots like to me. After all of the public shaming DG has endured these past few weeks about his inability to manage the flow of a draft, suddenly we are able to execute a trade down the draft board?? And that was just a coincidence despite DG supposedly trying "very hard" in the past? Hmmmm...
I don't know whether Judge gained and flexed more decision making power, but there was a new dynamic at work. I only wished they traded even more to add more OLs.
But we still need to see real results before we declare there is truly new horizons. So I think these victory laps are very premature...
But the way this year's draft was managed seemed extremely Patriots like to me. After all of the public shaming DG has endured these past few weeks about his inability to manage the flow of a draft, suddenly we are able to execute a trade down the draft board?? And that was just a coincidence despite DG supposedly trying "very hard" in the past? Hmmmm...
I don't know whether Judge gained and flexed more decision making power, but there was a new dynamic at work. I only wished they traded even more to add more OLs.
But we still need to see real results before we declare there is truly new horizons. So I think these victory laps are very premature...
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Respect
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Sounds like this off-season has been very therapeutic for you. And you've exorcised some demons... ;)
I'm not sure who is giving "ALL" the credit to Judge. But I'm starting to buy more stock in the theory that Judge has acquired more decision making say and that has manifested itself this off-season. Because there just seems to be a different cadence to free agency and the draft. Things sound tighter and more buttoned up. And I challenge anyone to argue that it felt that way before Judge arrived. So that, to me, is where a lot of this success on paper goes.
Now it just needs to convey to the field...
It doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't deserve credit. He is absolutely involved, but I strongly sense the way final decisions are being made are more a reflection of Judge's involvement and influence.
I'm not sure why expressing that is such a bone of contention.
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No victory lap for me. DG is still on the hot seat. My opinion on these things change as more information comes in. I am not tied to definitive positions on anyone. I wanted DG gone after the season. I participated in those discussions and felt strongly that the results had not been good enough. Once they publicly decided to keep him, I whined. Then, I was done. I am not the decision maker. I move forward.
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Sounds like this off-season has been very therapeutic for you. And you've exorcised some demons... ;)
I'm not sure who is giving "ALL" the credit to Judge. But I'm starting to buy more stock in the theory that Judge has acquired more decision making say and that has manifested itself this off-season. Because there just seems to be a different cadence to free agency and the draft. Things sound tighter and more buttoned up. And I challenge anyone to argue that it felt that way before Judge arrived. So that, to me, is where a lot of this success on paper goes.
Now it just needs to convey to the field...
It doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't deserve credit. He is absolutely involved, but I strongly sense the way final decisions are being made are more a reflection of Judge's involvement and influence.
I'm not sure why expressing that is such a bone of contention.
It might not be as accurate to say that Judge has acquired more decision-making power as, perhaps, in their collaborative effort, either DG listened more, respected more, or perhaps through judges force of personality, allowed great consideration, each and any of which helped DG to evolve.
It’s still the same process, IMO, and listening better to Judge (maybe because Judge is just plain better than his predecessor) doesn’t necessarily mean a usurpation of power.
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this year or last year.
But the way this year's draft was managed seemed extremely Patriots like to me. After all of the public shaming DG has endured these past few weeks about his inability to manage the flow of a draft, suddenly we are able to execute a trade down the draft board?? And that was just a coincidence despite DG supposedly trying "very hard" in the past? Hmmmm...
I don't know whether Judge gained and flexed more decision making power, but there was a new dynamic at work. I only wished they traded even more to add more OLs.
But we still need to see real results before we declare there is truly new horizons. So I think these victory laps are very premature...
No victory lap for me. DG is still on the hot seat. My opinion on these things change as more information comes in. I am not tied to definitive positions on anyone. I wanted DG gone after the season. I participated in those discussions and felt strongly that the results had not been good enough. Once they publicly decided to keep him, I whined. Then, I was done. I am not the decision maker. I move forward.
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
It can't be a "great offseason" until the moves DG made are successful on the field and lead to wins. A GMs job isn't to make splashy signings and continue to lose games.
If DJ doesn't improve, nothing DG did this offseason will matter and he'll be fired.
This is a terrible franchise right now and too many Giants fans have lowered their bar to excuse incompetence, overspending (both salaries and trading draft capital), and losing. DG hasn't earned the pass you're giving him.
DG comes off as a condescending know it all. This might have worked in the 80s and 90s when he was coming up in the organization, but there were only 3 regional beat reporters and maybe a national reporter from SI or ESPN who showed up once in a while but it does not come off nearly as well in the Twitter-verse. Some people on BBI like it and some people hate it.
Honestly, I don't really care if DG is likeable or not, but his teams have won 15 games on his watch. You try to can put that record on coaches, players or just plain bad luck but at some point the buck stops with the guy making the decisions and that is DG. He went on a very long limb with Jones in 2019 and if the team does not win this year then he should do us all a favor and retire to Cape Cod.
How maby games do you think he should have won? He inherited a Trainwreck - in fact,A much worse situation than an expansion team starting from scratch. He had a poisoned locker room, inflated non productive contracts, a looming cap problem, an iconic quarterback who was near the end but had to be honored.
Three short years later and the roster is loaded, they have 10 picks in next year's highly-regarded draft, the culture has changed and the roster is so deep (and young) that they are going to be cutting some nice talent.
Evan E. is, I believe the only holdover - that is how complete the turnover has been.
We have watched something remarkable and skillful and all this bovine-like poster can mumble is "but they only won 15 games in 3 years."
After the remarkable skillful turnaround, what are your expectations for wins? Asking for a bovine-like friend.
Lorenzo Carter and Ximines , maybe Brown or Coughlin are all otentially nice players that are on the bubble.
There are some nice wide receivers that are going to be cut.
I think we'll see cuts of cornerbacks that would make a lot of rosters.
Obviously they're not Stars, just nice players but also speaking to the depth of this roster.
Most of the negativity has no credibility. It is about using hindsight and denegation to feel good about yourself. Bovine was kind
Deep into the playoffs suggests at least a Final 8 team, so even the snipers and bovines look forward to seeing that come to fruition...
Based on no insider knowledge at at.
So i think that more, not less, NYG will be not able to stay on the roster in the years ahead.
I think it's possible they win the division and it's possible their OL is a disaster again. I doubt they go deep into the playoffs even if they play to their potential.
I think this year's draft contains some less than certain 2021 contributors.
I dont see NFL average players being cut and available to others via roster pruning ( maybe by trade?).
I do agree the past was the past in the past already.
2021 season starts with more offensive struggles. It becomes clear something is not working between Garrett, Jones, and the offensive line. Garrett is out as offensive coordinator at the bye. Jones continues to be poor in the pocket and hampers what could otherwise be a good team. By around Halloween we're regretting not getting a better backup than Glennon. Giants finish the season around 6-11/7-10, and enter the 2022 offseason with two top 10-ish picks to get their new QB, and do it right this time...with Judge's influence leading the way.
I agree it's a team on the rise. Just not in 2021.
Ok so 2019 was a mirage and 2020 was the real deal? So there is no way a new offense, new coaches, new offensive line, Barkley getting hurt in game two, Slayton and Shepard injured variously through the year had anything to do with the offense being bad. It was solely Daniel Jones. Evan Engram's 6 deflected INTs had nothing to do the offense sucking. Just Daniel Jones.
I am not absolving Jones' poor games (and Tampa was an abomination). Absolutely I agree he has one foot out the door. But you cannot dismiss what he did in 2019 and that includes the turnovers, but it also includes all the good games he had. You cannot ignore the good parts because it partially derails your narrative.
If he continues to lose the ball, he will need to be replaced, although Eli was a brutal turnover machine.
We want Jones to play fast and aggressive on Offense, just do it with that Duke-level brain and two season's worth of experience.
The opposing Defense makes plays too so some level of turnovers is inevitable.
Miami - 10-6 (404 points scored)
LA Chargers - 7-9 (384)
Washington - 7-9 (335)
Giants - 6-10 (280)
COVID is a lame excuse for the offensive football the Giants played last year. Lame almost as the offense itself.
Is there really a difference between 7-9 and 6-10? And if the Dolphins hadn’t tried to force Tua into the lineup, they could have had a better record with Fitz.
I am not absolving Jones' poor games (and Tampa was an abomination). Absolutely I agree he has one foot out the door. But you cannot dismiss what he did in 2019 and that includes the turnovers, but it also includes all the good games he had. You cannot ignore the good parts because it partially derails your narrative.
It's possible that Shurmur was a terrible head coach at everything *except* coordinating an offense that played to Jones' strengths, and that Garrett has not (and maybe will not) learn to do the same.
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No victory lap for me. DG is still on the hot seat. My opinion on these things change as more information comes in. I am not tied to definitive positions on anyone. I wanted DG gone after the season. I participated in those discussions and felt strongly that the results had not been good enough. Once they publicly decided to keep him, I whined. Then, I was done. I am not the decision maker. I move forward.
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Sounds like this off-season has been very therapeutic for you. And you've exorcised some demons... ;)
I'm not sure who is giving "ALL" the credit to Judge. But I'm starting to buy more stock in the theory that Judge has acquired more decision making say and that has manifested itself this off-season. Because there just seems to be a different cadence to free agency and the draft. Things sound tighter and more buttoned up. And I challenge anyone to argue that it felt that way before Judge arrived. So that, to me, is where a lot of this success on paper goes.
Now it just needs to convey to the field...
It doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't deserve credit. He is absolutely involved, but I strongly sense the way final decisions are being made are more a reflection of Judge's involvement and influence.
I'm not sure why expressing that is such a bone of contention.
IT DID NOT HAPPEN!
So be it.
I think this offseason has been a slam dunk success. FA and the draft. I could not imagine myself trying to find every possible reason to give him no credit in support of my take that he should have been fired. I can't be that intellectually dishonest.