I really liked the draft. I was a Waddle guy, every person that liked Waddle to NY loves this draft. I will not explain why, it should be obvious. The picks for next year are huge. Very valuable. More players and more information on the players against better competition.
I liked every single pick.
I want to talk about Gettleman.
His bad choices were his choices and his good choices are Judge’s, I see as a theme on BBI.
There was an organizational change in power.
No, there was not.
How about, all GMs try to get the coaches players that they want? Sometimes they disagree and I think we hear about those. Dysfunctional GM/Coach relationships end in disaster.
DG’s mistake was hiring Shurmur. Being an adult was not a sufficient criteria for the head coach search. It is very easy for me to believe that Shurmur wanted Barkley or was willing to rubber stamp without challenge.
Have you ever made a bad hire? As an executive, HR and hiring are what I feel that I am exceptional at. It is not easy, and still, I have made some bad hires. The evidence is starting to pile up that Judge and DG make a good team. I see no need to push success on one of the pair to lessen the other. DG did not arrive a failure.
The NY Giants hired a GM that many of you did not want. You didn’t get your way. The results were poor. Your criticism was warranted. We had a widely respect draft this year. Give the organization credit and let’s see how it applies on the field in 2021.
I am excited.
Thank you.
But the way this year's draft was managed seemed extremely Patriots like to me. After all of the public shaming DG has endured these past few weeks about his inability to manage the flow of a draft, suddenly we are able to execute a trade down the draft board?? And that was just a coincidence despite DG supposedly trying "very hard" in the past? Hmmmm...
I don't know whether Judge gained and flexed more decision making power, but there was a new dynamic at work. I only wished they traded even more to add more OLs.
But we still need to see real results before we declare there is truly new horizons. So I think these victory laps are very premature...
But the way this year's draft was managed seemed extremely Patriots like to me. After all of the public shaming DG has endured these past few weeks about his inability to manage the flow of a draft, suddenly we are able to execute a trade down the draft board?? And that was just a coincidence despite DG supposedly trying "very hard" in the past? Hmmmm...
I don't know whether Judge gained and flexed more decision making power, but there was a new dynamic at work. I only wished they traded even more to add more OLs.
But we still need to see real results before we declare there is truly new horizons. So I think these victory laps are very premature...
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Respect
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Sounds like this off-season has been very therapeutic for you. And you've exorcised some demons... ;)
I'm not sure who is giving "ALL" the credit to Judge. But I'm starting to buy more stock in the theory that Judge has acquired more decision making say and that has manifested itself this off-season. Because there just seems to be a different cadence to free agency and the draft. Things sound tighter and more buttoned up. And I challenge anyone to argue that it felt that way before Judge arrived. So that, to me, is where a lot of this success on paper goes.
Now it just needs to convey to the field...
It doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't deserve credit. He is absolutely involved, but I strongly sense the way final decisions are being made are more a reflection of Judge's involvement and influence.
I'm not sure why expressing that is such a bone of contention.
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No victory lap for me. DG is still on the hot seat. My opinion on these things change as more information comes in. I am not tied to definitive positions on anyone. I wanted DG gone after the season. I participated in those discussions and felt strongly that the results had not been good enough. Once they publicly decided to keep him, I whined. Then, I was done. I am not the decision maker. I move forward.
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Sounds like this off-season has been very therapeutic for you. And you've exorcised some demons... ;)
I'm not sure who is giving "ALL" the credit to Judge. But I'm starting to buy more stock in the theory that Judge has acquired more decision making say and that has manifested itself this off-season. Because there just seems to be a different cadence to free agency and the draft. Things sound tighter and more buttoned up. And I challenge anyone to argue that it felt that way before Judge arrived. So that, to me, is where a lot of this success on paper goes.
Now it just needs to convey to the field...
It doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't deserve credit. He is absolutely involved, but I strongly sense the way final decisions are being made are more a reflection of Judge's involvement and influence.
I'm not sure why expressing that is such a bone of contention.
It might not be as accurate to say that Judge has acquired more decision-making power as, perhaps, in their collaborative effort, either DG listened more, respected more, or perhaps through judges force of personality, allowed great consideration, each and any of which helped DG to evolve.
It’s still the same process, IMO, and listening better to Judge (maybe because Judge is just plain better than his predecessor) doesn’t necessarily mean a usurpation of power.
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this year or last year.
But the way this year's draft was managed seemed extremely Patriots like to me. After all of the public shaming DG has endured these past few weeks about his inability to manage the flow of a draft, suddenly we are able to execute a trade down the draft board?? And that was just a coincidence despite DG supposedly trying "very hard" in the past? Hmmmm...
I don't know whether Judge gained and flexed more decision making power, but there was a new dynamic at work. I only wished they traded even more to add more OLs.
But we still need to see real results before we declare there is truly new horizons. So I think these victory laps are very premature...
No victory lap for me. DG is still on the hot seat. My opinion on these things change as more information comes in. I am not tied to definitive positions on anyone. I wanted DG gone after the season. I participated in those discussions and felt strongly that the results had not been good enough. Once they publicly decided to keep him, I whined. Then, I was done. I am not the decision maker. I move forward.
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
It can't be a "great offseason" until the moves DG made are successful on the field and lead to wins. A GMs job isn't to make splashy signings and continue to lose games.
If DJ doesn't improve, nothing DG did this offseason will matter and he'll be fired.
This is a terrible franchise right now and too many Giants fans have lowered their bar to excuse incompetence, overspending (both salaries and trading draft capital), and losing. DG hasn't earned the pass you're giving him.
DG comes off as a condescending know it all. This might have worked in the 80s and 90s when he was coming up in the organization, but there were only 3 regional beat reporters and maybe a national reporter from SI or ESPN who showed up once in a while but it does not come off nearly as well in the Twitter-verse. Some people on BBI like it and some people hate it.
Honestly, I don't really care if DG is likeable or not, but his teams have won 15 games on his watch. You try to can put that record on coaches, players or just plain bad luck but at some point the buck stops with the guy making the decisions and that is DG. He went on a very long limb with Jones in 2019 and if the team does not win this year then he should do us all a favor and retire to Cape Cod.
How maby games do you think he should have won? He inherited a Trainwreck - in fact,A much worse situation than an expansion team starting from scratch. He had a poisoned locker room, inflated non productive contracts, a looming cap problem, an iconic quarterback who was near the end but had to be honored.
Three short years later and the roster is loaded, they have 10 picks in next year's highly-regarded draft, the culture has changed and the roster is so deep (and young) that they are going to be cutting some nice talent.
Evan E. is, I believe the only holdover - that is how complete the turnover has been.
We have watched something remarkable and skillful and all this bovine-like poster can mumble is "but they only won 15 games in 3 years."
After the remarkable skillful turnaround, what are your expectations for wins? Asking for a bovine-like friend.
Lorenzo Carter and Ximines , maybe Brown or Coughlin are all otentially nice players that are on the bubble.
There are some nice wide receivers that are going to be cut.
I think we'll see cuts of cornerbacks that would make a lot of rosters.
Obviously they're not Stars, just nice players but also speaking to the depth of this roster.
Most of the negativity has no credibility. It is about using hindsight and denegation to feel good about yourself. Bovine was kind
Deep into the playoffs suggests at least a Final 8 team, so even the snipers and bovines look forward to seeing that come to fruition...
Based on no insider knowledge at at.
So i think that more, not less, NYG will be not able to stay on the roster in the years ahead.
I think it's possible they win the division and it's possible their OL is a disaster again. I doubt they go deep into the playoffs even if they play to their potential.
I think this year's draft contains some less than certain 2021 contributors.
I dont see NFL average players being cut and available to others via roster pruning ( maybe by trade?).
I do agree the past was the past in the past already.
2021 season starts with more offensive struggles. It becomes clear something is not working between Garrett, Jones, and the offensive line. Garrett is out as offensive coordinator at the bye. Jones continues to be poor in the pocket and hampers what could otherwise be a good team. By around Halloween we're regretting not getting a better backup than Glennon. Giants finish the season around 6-11/7-10, and enter the 2022 offseason with two top 10-ish picks to get their new QB, and do it right this time...with Judge's influence leading the way.
I agree it's a team on the rise. Just not in 2021.
Ok so 2019 was a mirage and 2020 was the real deal? So there is no way a new offense, new coaches, new offensive line, Barkley getting hurt in game two, Slayton and Shepard injured variously through the year had anything to do with the offense being bad. It was solely Daniel Jones. Evan Engram's 6 deflected INTs had nothing to do the offense sucking. Just Daniel Jones.
I am not absolving Jones' poor games (and Tampa was an abomination). Absolutely I agree he has one foot out the door. But you cannot dismiss what he did in 2019 and that includes the turnovers, but it also includes all the good games he had. You cannot ignore the good parts because it partially derails your narrative.
If he continues to lose the ball, he will need to be replaced, although Eli was a brutal turnover machine.
We want Jones to play fast and aggressive on Offense, just do it with that Duke-level brain and two season's worth of experience.
The opposing Defense makes plays too so some level of turnovers is inevitable.
Miami - 10-6 (404 points scored)
LA Chargers - 7-9 (384)
Washington - 7-9 (335)
Giants - 6-10 (280)
COVID is a lame excuse for the offensive football the Giants played last year. Lame almost as the offense itself.
Is there really a difference between 7-9 and 6-10? And if the Dolphins hadn’t tried to force Tua into the lineup, they could have had a better record with Fitz.
I am not absolving Jones' poor games (and Tampa was an abomination). Absolutely I agree he has one foot out the door. But you cannot dismiss what he did in 2019 and that includes the turnovers, but it also includes all the good games he had. You cannot ignore the good parts because it partially derails your narrative.
It's possible that Shurmur was a terrible head coach at everything *except* coordinating an offense that played to Jones' strengths, and that Garrett has not (and maybe will not) learn to do the same.
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No victory lap for me. DG is still on the hot seat. My opinion on these things change as more information comes in. I am not tied to definitive positions on anyone. I wanted DG gone after the season. I participated in those discussions and felt strongly that the results had not been good enough. Once they publicly decided to keep him, I whined. Then, I was done. I am not the decision maker. I move forward.
We had a great FA. I know some of you don't like the money or the contracts. So here I am, a guy that just wanted DG fired. I look at the offseason emotionless. I do not care about my previous take, he did exactly what I wanted. Signed the players and positions I wanted. I wish we could have gotten LW for less...fuck it, after I saw the new TV money.
The reason I can give DG credit after I campaigned for his firing is because I hate human beings that die on hill of evidence that shows them to be wrong because of a weakness of character that doesn't allow them to graciously admit when they are wrong(at least possibly?). When people that I am certain are intelligent do this, it is like finger nails on a chalkboard for me.
We had a great off season, the people that want to give ALL the credit for it Judge are small in my eyes.
Not looking at anyone in particular with that last line. If the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it though.
Sounds like this off-season has been very therapeutic for you. And you've exorcised some demons... ;)
I'm not sure who is giving "ALL" the credit to Judge. But I'm starting to buy more stock in the theory that Judge has acquired more decision making say and that has manifested itself this off-season. Because there just seems to be a different cadence to free agency and the draft. Things sound tighter and more buttoned up. And I challenge anyone to argue that it felt that way before Judge arrived. So that, to me, is where a lot of this success on paper goes.
Now it just needs to convey to the field...
It doesn't mean Gettleman doesn't deserve credit. He is absolutely involved, but I strongly sense the way final decisions are being made are more a reflection of Judge's involvement and influence.
I'm not sure why expressing that is such a bone of contention.
IT DID NOT HAPPEN!
So be it.
I think this offseason has been a slam dunk success. FA and the draft. I could not imagine myself trying to find every possible reason to give him no credit in support of my take that he should have been fired. I can't be that intellectually dishonest.