to listen to during the last few years as it relates to NYG. Gettleman is a better guy than me because I wouldn't give her horrible show the time of day.
was better than the second, his answers around OL and value of each pick in the draft, and the nugget around Aaron Robinson was pretty telling. He was implying that their ability to be flexible really helped them target players they wanted such as Toney and Robinson.
Says Tony will not only take the top off defenses and help in the return game, but will likely provide help for Barkley as teams will only want to play 7 in the box with the added weapons they have now.
Regarding OL, comments were telling on "Andrew, Peart, Gatesy, and Lemieux" he didn't mention Hernandez, not sure if that was by mistake or on purpose. Said these guys basically played football together for the first time last season and really showed that they all have talent and ability to play together.
Said the way they are building the team is "building to win" and the first part of that winning is "winning the NFC East." Said they went 4-2 in the division with a young team "and it really should have been 5-1, you know that." Said they have built the roster to compete up front in this division and the "value" of the draft and 1st round pick for 2022 was "unbelievable" with what Chicago gave them and too good to pass up. Believes they have built the team the correct way and added pieces this year which will come in and hopefully the "next step" is improving upon 2020, would not commit to a playoff guarantee or anything like that.
Ojulari was still there at 50, and basically said the knee stuff was sort of a surprise with him, as they didn't think anything was really an issue. He basically admitted he thought the knee issue was bogus.
and Philly-NYG-Cowboys all being bunched up, he said that they never really think about what teams "could do" or "will do" they stick to their board and their value, so that when PHLY traded up, they realized that they might have to pivot to other targets and the trade was too valuable for them.
On free agency period, he said "the more thorough the process is, the better chance you have at success" and commented on Jackson and Golladay saying it was a very thorough visit for each and they felt comfortable with the value of the contract based on everything they vetted out with these players.
that the draft is never about him, and never about 1 guy, it is always about the best interest of the team, it has always been that way. So these trades in rounds 1, 2, and 3 were strictly about doing what was best to set the team up for success.
during a lot of the interivew, Malusis was saying "yup, yup" as if he was agreeing with everything Gettleman was saying. A far cry from previous years.
Ojulari was still there at 50, and basically said the knee stuff was sort of a surprise with him, as they didn't think anything was really an issue. He basically admitted he thought the knee issue was bogus.
He also answered a big question that I asked on the Biteymax thread which was that NYG and Dallas never discussed swapping picks at 10-11. He responded to that question by saying No, they did not discuss it and when pressed for a reason why he said they had too many other options.
My takeaway is that as much as we heard they loved DeVonta Smith, I think it's possible they still might have traded back.
More than any one player in this draft I think NYG had a mindset coming in that picking up draft picks for 2022 was a priority. When you heard how uncomfortable this "incomplete" covid draft process made NYG and how strapped they might be in FA next year, it makes a ton of sense.
Nothing is worse than hearing Gettleman running his suck
Ojulari was still there at 50, and basically said the knee stuff was sort of a surprise with him, as they didn't think anything was really an issue. He basically admitted he thought the knee issue was bogus.
He also answered a big question that I asked on the Biteymax thread which was that NYG and Dallas never discussed swapping picks at 10-11. He responded to that question by saying No, they did not discuss it and when pressed for a reason why he said they had too many other options.
My takeaway is that as much as we heard they loved DeVonta Smith, I think it's possible they still might have traded back.
More than any one player in this draft I think NYG had a mindset coming in that picking up draft picks for 2022 was a priority. When you heard how uncomfortable this "incomplete" covid draft process made NYG and how strapped they might be in FA next year, it makes a ton of sense.
I've been thinking that the Smith love was a smokescreen too.
they felt the trade down after he was swiped was the best strategy forward. It's certainly the main thing helping Smith NYG fans feel a little better about it afterwards.
The big key for me is now they've stockpiled draft capital for 2022 in case 1) Jones continues to struggle or 2) they can add more talent (Edge) to a team clearly on the rise.
they felt the trade down after he was swiped was the best strategy forward. It's certainly the main thing helping Smith NYG fans feel a little better about it afterwards.
The big key for me is now they've stockpiled draft capital for 2022 in case 1) Jones continues to struggle or 2) they can add more talent (Edge) to a team clearly on the rise.
Why not call Dallas about swapping picks? He was right there.
deal with each other this way, thus the extra slap in the face two rivals worked together to keep DS away from NYG. NYG probably knew Dallas was looking defense and viewed them as a non-threat, in some respect.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
is he wrong? i thought it was refreshing. Maybe listen to the interview before giving a comment. He was very up front about everything.
You want to talk about how easy 4-2 could have been 3-3 as well? Easy does it here...
I guess it could but you'd still be missing the big picture DG is making. As we all already know 6-10, not good. But if you add context and if you're trying to present why you might feel NYG made strides last year even with that record it's the following.
4-2 Divisional record.
Going from 1-7 first half record to 5-3 second half recorded.
Going to Seattle in December and winning what felt like the first big game since 2016 with a backup QB.
Is there work to do? Yes. But if you don't see progress last year, you're simply not looking for it.
He should definitely talk about progress and there are
plenty of things/ways he can do it. But pointing to a phantom win that didn't occur, and kind of throwing your Tight End under the bus in doing so, is a bit bush-league imv for a GM. Fine if you think differently.
Like I said, hope the rest of the interview was better as he had a good weekend...
i get it, but you are proving what a lot of people have said correct...in that with some fans, no matter what DG does or says they will take issue with it
was just an honest oversight. They guy was essentially a 1st round pick. I understand he was hurt last year and am hoping we see a rebound.
Just reading the post and haven't heard, but the post makes it sound like the context was the new people, the rookies and, to some extent, Gates. Maybe that's why Hernandez wasn't mentioned? Just speculating.
i get it, but you are proving what a lot of people have said correct...in that with some fans, no matter what DG does or says they will take issue with it
Nah, that couldn’t be. So many fair minded posters here when it comes to DG.
he's not throwing Engram under the bus, but Engram is entering his 5th season now. Time to man up, stop dropping the ball, and start performing. Every time we throw him the ball, bad things happen. I think it's time we start having our players be accountable for their shit play.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
i get it, but you are proving what a lot of people have said correct...in that with some fans, no matter what DG does or says they will take issue with it
Forget it and give it up, your waisting your time. You should know by now after all these years who you are trying to reason with. These guys hate the man and winning the next 5 bowls in a row won't change it.
or did the carolina media not act like he owed them something the way the ny media does.
he's had a very "what do you fucking want from me" tone recently. the trade down answers specifically.
Carolina media is generally very polite. They aren't out there to get a "gotcha" moment. and when Ron Rivera and gettleman were here, they both were well liked and they both did a lot of things where they worked together with the Media.
NY can be a completely different animal when it comes to the way they try to create stories instead of reporting the real story.
RE: RE: 4-2 in the division and should have been 5-1.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
"Should have been" talk isn't reality and that was my point. But you're not really interested anyway so just post to the guys that make you feel better.
What does every coach say? "It wasn't one play that beat us."
There is a good reason coaches say that and DG should know the speak, since he started as one at Spackenkill High in the '70's (my own time in the DCSL).
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Maybe the biggest drop of Lamb’s season came in the finale. Following a big loss on a sack, the Cowboys faced second and goal from the Giants 17 yard line. Andy Dalton found Lamb over the middle, and it looked like he had room to run and potentially win the game. Instead, he dropped the pass, forcing them into a third and long and ultimately a season ending interception.
he's not throwing Engram under the bus, but Engram is entering his 5th season now. Time to man up, stop dropping the ball, and start performing. Every time we throw him the ball, bad things happen. I think it's time we start having our players be accountable for their shit play.
Certainly don't put me in the Evan Engram fan club column. That's on management/coaches at this point if you want accountability for their Tight End.
If you're afraid of getting a rotten apple, don't go to the barrel. Get it off the tree...
by picking Surtain, long rumored to be Dallas' first choice.
I have a friend who is a Denver fan, and when theh took Surtain, I text him and said they f'd the draft up.
Similar to how the NYG seem to feel about the talent on the Oline as compated to how the fans feel, the same is apparently true in Denver when it comes to the Lock/Bridgewater QB combo. Seems most here really cant believe that they passed up the opportunity to draft Justin Fields when he was right there for the taking.
was just an honest oversight. They guy was essentially a 1st round pick. I understand he was hurt last year and am hoping we see a rebound.
Just reading the post and haven't heard, but the post makes it sound like the context was the new people, the rookies and, to some extent, Gates. Maybe that's why Hernandez wasn't mentioned? Just speculating.
Baldinger earlier mentioned the fact that Hernandez had not progressed
is basically that he hasn't gotten better, but also really hasn't gotten worse. He is the same player that we drafted. A guy that can play every snap, won't kill you, but also won't really make a difference out there. He flashed as a rookie, and has since basically been average.
Not sure what to make of it. If we want a "dominant" OL, Hernandez really can't be a part of that solution. Then again, we have a new OL coach, more weapons, hopefully an improving Jones, Barkley back....perhaps these are positives that will make any offensive lineman seem better? I don't know. All i know is that it is a real bummer that Hernandez hasn't lived up to the billing.
is WAY over the top. Jones was not afraid to throw him the ball, and sometimes tried to force in throws that shouldn't have been made. As mentioned above, Cee Dee Lamb had a big drop against us, and I saw several drops in the playoffs.
I understand a certain level of frustration with EE, but damn near every team said he was the only guy on offense they needed to be concerned with.
Now with a few more new weapons, and Barkley back, let's see how he performs.
is WAY over the top. Jones was not afraid to throw him the ball, and sometimes tried to force in throws that shouldn't have been made. As mentioned above, Cee Dee Lamb had a big drop against us, and I saw several drops in the playoffs.
I understand a certain level of frustration with EE, but damn near every team said he was the only guy on offense they needed to be concerned with.
Now with a few more new weapons, and Barkley back, let's see how he performs.
I think that attitude towards Engram probably would have been acceptable last season or 2019. I was the same way. But to be honest - enough is enough. You can only create so many losing plays so many times before it really starts to hurt the team on a consistent basis. We are talking about 3-4 games where plays that were not made by him, or led directly to a turnover, that were incredibly costly to the outcome.
i get it, but you are proving what a lot of people have said correct...in that with some fans, no matter what DG does or says they will take issue with it
is if DG traded our 3rd rounder to Dallas to move up 1 spot to secure Smith at 10 overall, he would've been crucified not only by his detractors, but even moderate fans. Giving an extra pick to a division rival for one draft spot? It's a no win situation.
Best thing that could have happened when the Eagles took Smith and we were on the clock, did happen. Chicago offered up a sweetheart of a trade package and he did the best thing for the franchise in accepting it.
RE: RE: 4-2 in the division and should have been 5-1.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
That s why you shouldn’t take some opinions here too seriously. Consistent negative takes on Jones and DG, show a strong bias that lacks objectivity.
Hard to defend DG s record, but equally hard to understand criticism of a benign statement about the division given this most recent performance.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Oh man that is rich. The sniper strikes, the negative man feels better about himself, he got to throw "snarky' into the mix and as usual offered nothing of substance. HE will sleep well this night. "wow, how kool I am, i got to put down Gettleman".
Denver always seemed like a logical landing spot for Surtain.
And Dallas seemed very content to take either of Horn/Surtain.
Carolina was a tricky team in most mocks. Most probably had them going Slater. Some had them going with Parsons. I don't recall any giving them the CBs though.
but do you think that Chicago would have made the same or essentially the same offer to Philly had they not traded with Dallas and we took Smith? Adds a bit to the question of would you rather have Smith or Toney and the picks.
but do you think that Chicago would have made the same or essentially the same offer to Philly had they not traded with Dallas and we took Smith? Adds a bit to the question of would you rather have Smith or Toney and the picks.
Great point, and I’m sure they would have. Philly would have done it too and been looking at 4(!) first round picks next year. I’m assuming the Wentz conditional pick will become a 1.
RE: RE: 4-2 in the division and should have been 5-1.
is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Oh man that is rich. The sniper strikes, the negative man feels better about himself, he got to throw "snarky' into the mix and as usual offered nothing of substance. HE will sleep well this night. "wow, how kool I am, i got to put down Gettleman".
Not really, I would have said the same to you had you posted it. Never like the woulda/coulda/shoulda especially from a GM that hasn't gotten his team to play for anything yet.
But as long as Peart becomes the next Jonathan Ogden like in your posts it shouldn't long now, right?
but do you think that Chicago would have made the same or essentially the same offer to Philly had they not traded with Dallas and we took Smith? Adds a bit to the question of would you rather have Smith or Toney and the picks.
Whoa, hadn't seen your handle before (two nice numbers of 1980s yore) and you're the same BBI Class as I. A reticent poster. (:
To your question, prolly the same, with Smith off the board in either case, assuming the asshat consensus is that we would have taken Smith. Philly did, so they wanted WR. Phrasing the question an operatively different way: would PHIL have bet Toney (or another WR they wanted) would last to 20. Maybe they go Slater or OVT.
i get it, but you are proving what a lot of people have said correct...in that with some fans, no matter what DG does or says they will take issue with it
And you prove everyday what some of us have been saying for 3 years that there are some posters such as yourself that bow and kneel on the Resume Dave Altar.
You know the team has sucked for the last 3 years. You understand that, right? Year 4 in a historically bad conference this past year and this year we're still projected to be a 7 win team.
Sure things look good for us in year 5 of the DG era provided Jones is going to be good, but cut Jimmy some slack. This organization has "proven" that they still stink. Until you win, you stink.
One year slip is one thing - maybe 2. But even if you don't blame DG - there still has to a concern with the organization.
BTW, I've given the combined 2021 and 2022 at this moment in time right now - I've graded it an A.
I'm hopeful we can win. I'm hopeful DJ comes through. I'm hopeful the OL holds up.
Nah, posters like you conflate everything and have the inability to separate what I’ve said, which is that I like what the team has done 2019 and onward, especially 2020. DG is a part of that, and way too many fans can’t get over the 2018 and Eli thing, and they aren’t willing to be patient on Jones.
But sure, keep beating the drum that I “bow at the altar” of this regime. I don’t - I’ve said I don’t agree with everything and I’m critical where it needs to be. Team needs to win, win the division, make the playoffs, make some noise, it’s time.
Just because I hold posters accountable for their bullshit doesn’t mean I’m
Some end all be all DG defender. I said 2018 was a disaster, I said Shurmur was a disaster. Everything else, I’m good with.
People like you are going to start looking really foolish in short order, but you’ll still come back here and bitch and moan about the next thing that you don’t like.
was truly a "bow to the altar" group, I would expect a fair portion of posters to say that Gettleman is a great GM. Has anyone on this site made that argument?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
have you guys every asked yourself what it’s in it for anyone to “defend” Gettelman? If so what have you come up with for an answer?
how about this..
For about 5-6 years this place was enamored and utterly jealous and confused why the Cowboys had such a talented offensive line. An for those 5 years Reese failed to focus on the line properly to protect Eli Manning and give him enough time to win a 3rd SB.
DG comes on board and gives every Giant fan what they wished for years, it cost money but Nate Solder was supposed to be the LT bookend to get Giants back to the championship.
Now DG is in his 4th year as GM and has consistently attributed resources to build what BBI'ers have bitching about for years. Last years draft was calculated and directed strictly to the Offensive line.
So fucking A we have a GM who appreciates the trenches and has a done a promising job upgrading it.
was truly a "bow to the altar" group, I would expect a fair portion of posters to say that Gettleman is a great GM. Has anyone on this site made that argument?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
on friggin point. Is there anyone who thinks DG belongs in the Canton? It’s as if suggesting that the evaluation of his performance as NYG GM might benefit from some nuance makes someone a lollipop-licking twirly-hat wearing naive little bitch.
Whenever you find yourself channelling all of your frustrations through a lone source (or two), that should be a wakeup call that some persective is needed. Life is rarely that simple.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
have you guys every asked yourself what it’s in it for anyone to “defend” Gettelman? If so what have you come up with for an answer?
how about this..
For about 5-6 years this place was enamored and utterly jealous and confused why the Cowboys had such a talented offensive line. An for those 5 years Reese failed to focus on the line properly to protect Eli Manning and give him enough time to win a 3rd SB.
DG comes on board and gives every Giant fan what they wished for years, it cost money but Nate Solder was supposed to be the LT bookend to get Giants back to the championship.
Now DG is in his 4th year as GM and has consistently attributed resources to build what BBI'ers have bitching about for years. Last years draft was calculated and directed strictly to the Offensive line.
So fucking A we have a GM who appreciates the trenches and has a done a promising job upgrading it.
so take a fucking bow
If this is the defending group, I’ll stay where I am for a little longer...
RE: RE: RE: 4-2 in the division and should have been 5-1.
was truly a "bow to the altar" group, I would expect a fair portion of posters to say that Gettleman is a great GM. Has anyone on this site made that argument?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
As soon as the word hypocrisy enters a post, it’s usually time to stop reading it...
is WAY over the top. Jones was not afraid to throw him the ball, and sometimes tried to force in throws that shouldn't have been made. As mentioned above, Cee Dee Lamb had a big drop against us, and I saw several drops in the playoffs.
I understand a certain level of frustration with EE, but damn near every team said he was the only guy on offense they needed to be concerned with.
Now with a few more new weapons, and Barkley back, let's see how he performs.
is basically that he hasn't gotten better, but also really hasn't gotten worse. He is the same player that we drafted. A guy that can play every snap, won't kill you, but also won't really make a difference out there. He flashed as a rookie, and has since basically been average.
Not sure what to make of it. If we want a "dominant" OL, Hernandez really can't be a part of that solution. Then again, we have a new OL coach, more weapons, hopefully an improving Jones, Barkley back....perhaps these are positives that will make any offensive lineman seem better? I don't know. All i know is that it is a real bummer that Hernandez hasn't lived up to the billing.
What never gets talked about wrt Hernandez over the course of last year is that he was better than Lemieux. And you can say he should outplay a mid-round rook and I'll agree, but the point remains.
Hopefully a year past COVID will result in good things. Obviously I want both players to play exceptionally.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 4-2 in the division and should have been 5-1.
Nah, posters like you conflate everything and have the inability to separate what I’ve said, which is that I like what the team has done 2019 and onward, especially 2020. DG is a part of that, and way too many fans can’t get over the 2018 and Eli thing, and they aren’t willing to be patient on Jones.
But sure, keep beating the drum that I “bow at the altar” of this regime. I don’t - I’ve said I don’t agree with everything and I’m critical where it needs to be. Team needs to win, win the division, make the playoffs, make some noise, it’s time.
Just because I hold posters accountable for their bullshit doesn’t mean I’m
Some end all be all DG defender. I said 2018 was a disaster, I said Shurmur was a disaster. Everything else, I’m good with.
People like you are going to start looking really foolish in short order, but you’ll still come back here and bitch and moan about the next thing that you don’t like.
Nah you're doing what you do best and that's covering how you bow at the altar of DG as some others do on here. You'll pick on DG for something worthless and pretend like you are being critical.
In regards to people like me - people like me want DG to do well. But ofc it makes you feel better that you think I'm supposed to be "embarassed" in some manner if my team wins because I've ben pissed they 've sucked for so long. That's the mindset of a 4 year old.
If he does well we win. I was even on board for keeping him when they dumped the coach. I'm okay with Jones right now (but hated the pick way back but okay now)- I would love nothing more than to watch the Giants win. And when they eventually do - I win you win etc.
But until then hearing you whine about other posters that complain that this team has sucked for so long while you keep waving your pom-poms - The team is projected to win 7 games this year in a lousy conference, and do I have to go over how many wins that have had the other years with DG?
A final point. I want to be able to call DG a "GM God." But yeah until they start winning - there's generally a reason to bitch. Because the object of the game is to win. You understand that, right? And if you lose it generally means you aren't playing well, right? SO until they do at least I can count on you to keep waving them pom poms.
was truly a "bow to the altar" group, I would expect a fair portion of posters to say that Gettleman is a great GM. Has anyone on this site made that argument?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
As soon as the word hypocrisy enters a post, it’s usually time to stop reading it...
I saw you post something about hypocrisy and was laughing too hard after that.
You are a walking, babbling Hypocrite. A poster who tells others how to post and to take breaks, yet when given a chance to take a break when banned did what? Immediately started posting under a dupe handle, LBH15. For a year!! And when called out, what did the Hypocrite do? Vigorously deny he was a dupe and even said some happy horseshit like, "That Googs guy really did a number, huh?"
That's why you're Jimmy Clownshoes. What should be completely sad is now funny. Clownshoes. Annoying, squeaky noises with no utility! Fucking clown
you dont watch Giants football. You are fareweather or a fantasy fan, not a Giants fan. That bonehead costs us more games than wins us. Dropping him from the roster would be addition by subtraction. His football IQ is terrible.
was truly a "bow to the altar" group, I would expect a fair portion of posters to say that Gettleman is a great GM. Has anyone on this site made that argument?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
+1 Nor do they have the mental acuity to understand what a dumpster fire this team was under Reese, Ross and McAdoo.
OMG STFU with that already.
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Says Tony will not only take the top off defenses and help in the return game, but will likely provide help for Barkley as teams will only want to play 7 in the box with the added weapons they have now.
Regarding OL, comments were telling on "Andrew, Peart, Gatesy, and Lemieux" he didn't mention Hernandez, not sure if that was by mistake or on purpose. Said these guys basically played football together for the first time last season and really showed that they all have talent and ability to play together.
Said the way they are building the team is "building to win" and the first part of that winning is "winning the NFC East." Said they went 4-2 in the division with a young team "and it really should have been 5-1, you know that." Said they have built the roster to compete up front in this division and the "value" of the draft and 1st round pick for 2022 was "unbelievable" with what Chicago gave them and too good to pass up. Believes they have built the team the correct way and added pieces this year which will come in and hopefully the "next step" is improving upon 2020, would not commit to a playoff guarantee or anything like that.
On free agency period, he said "the more thorough the process is, the better chance you have at success" and commented on Jackson and Golladay saying it was a very thorough visit for each and they felt comfortable with the value of the contract based on everything they vetted out with these players.
he's had a very "what do you fucking want from me" tone recently. the trade down answers specifically.
He also answered a big question that I asked on the Biteymax thread which was that NYG and Dallas never discussed swapping picks at 10-11. He responded to that question by saying No, they did not discuss it and when pressed for a reason why he said they had too many other options.
My takeaway is that as much as we heard they loved DeVonta Smith, I think it's possible they still might have traded back.
More than any one player in this draft I think NYG had a mindset coming in that picking up draft picks for 2022 was a priority. When you heard how uncomfortable this "incomplete" covid draft process made NYG and how strapped they might be in FA next year, it makes a ton of sense.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
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Ojulari was still there at 50, and basically said the knee stuff was sort of a surprise with him, as they didn't think anything was really an issue. He basically admitted he thought the knee issue was bogus.
He also answered a big question that I asked on the Biteymax thread which was that NYG and Dallas never discussed swapping picks at 10-11. He responded to that question by saying No, they did not discuss it and when pressed for a reason why he said they had too many other options.
My takeaway is that as much as we heard they loved DeVonta Smith, I think it's possible they still might have traded back.
More than any one player in this draft I think NYG had a mindset coming in that picking up draft picks for 2022 was a priority. When you heard how uncomfortable this "incomplete" covid draft process made NYG and how strapped they might be in FA next year, it makes a ton of sense.
I've been thinking that the Smith love was a smokescreen too.
The big key for me is now they've stockpiled draft capital for 2022 in case 1) Jones continues to struggle or 2) they can add more talent (Edge) to a team clearly on the rise.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
is he wrong? i thought it was refreshing. Maybe listen to the interview before giving a comment. He was very up front about everything.
The big key for me is now they've stockpiled draft capital for 2022 in case 1) Jones continues to struggle or 2) they can add more talent (Edge) to a team clearly on the rise.
Why not call Dallas about swapping picks? He was right there.
yeah, i had a lump in my throat once that happened. Was really hoping Denver would go OL, or even QB
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
is he wrong? i thought it was refreshing. Maybe listen to the interview before giving a comment. He was very up front about everything.
You want to talk about how easy 4-2 could have been 3-3 as well? Easy does it here...
Go to 12:29 on the Moose & Maggie show from this link
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
is he wrong? i thought it was refreshing. Maybe listen to the interview before giving a comment. He was very up front about everything.
You want to talk about how easy 4-2 could have been 3-3 as well? Easy does it here...
I guess it could but you'd still be missing the big picture DG is making. As we all already know 6-10, not good. But if you add context and if you're trying to present why you might feel NYG made strides last year even with that record it's the following.
4-2 Divisional record.
Going from 1-7 first half record to 5-3 second half recorded.
Going to Seattle in December and winning what felt like the first big game since 2016 with a backup QB.
Is there work to do? Yes. But if you don't see progress last year, you're simply not looking for it.
Like I said, hope the rest of the interview was better as he had a good weekend...
Just reading the post and haven't heard, but the post makes it sound like the context was the new people, the rookies and, to some extent, Gates. Maybe that's why Hernandez wasn't mentioned? Just speculating.
Nah, that couldn’t be. So many fair minded posters here when it comes to DG.
I have a friend who is a Denver fan, and when theh took Surtain, I text him and said they f'd the draft up.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
then you didn't read what i wrote, all of it.
he's had a very "what do you fucking want from me" tone recently. the trade down answers specifically.
Carolina media is generally very polite. They aren't out there to get a "gotcha" moment. and when Ron Rivera and gettleman were here, they both were well liked and they both did a lot of things where they worked together with the Media.
NY can be a completely different animal when it comes to the way they try to create stories instead of reporting the real story.
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
"Should have been" talk isn't reality and that was my point. But you're not really interested anyway so just post to the guys that make you feel better.
latest fun narrative around here. Except it's probably not true at all.
The HC has changed. Not the GM.
What does every coach say? "It wasn't one play that beat us."
There is a good reason coaches say that and DG should know the speak, since he started as one at Spackenkill High in the '70's (my own time in the DCSL).
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Certainly don't put me in the Evan Engram fan club column. That's on management/coaches at this point if you want accountability for their Tight End.
If you're afraid of getting a rotten apple, don't go to the barrel. Get it off the tree...
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by picking Surtain, long rumored to be Dallas' first choice.
I have a friend who is a Denver fan, and when theh took Surtain, I text him and said they f'd the draft up.
Similar to how the NYG seem to feel about the talent on the Oline as compated to how the fans feel, the same is apparently true in Denver when it comes to the Lock/Bridgewater QB combo. Seems most here really cant believe that they passed up the opportunity to draft Justin Fields when he was right there for the taking.
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was just an honest oversight. They guy was essentially a 1st round pick. I understand he was hurt last year and am hoping we see a rebound.
Just reading the post and haven't heard, but the post makes it sound like the context was the new people, the rookies and, to some extent, Gates. Maybe that's why Hernandez wasn't mentioned? Just speculating.
Not sure what to make of it. If we want a "dominant" OL, Hernandez really can't be a part of that solution. Then again, we have a new OL coach, more weapons, hopefully an improving Jones, Barkley back....perhaps these are positives that will make any offensive lineman seem better? I don't know. All i know is that it is a real bummer that Hernandez hasn't lived up to the billing.
I understand a certain level of frustration with EE, but damn near every team said he was the only guy on offense they needed to be concerned with.
Now with a few more new weapons, and Barkley back, let's see how he performs.
I understand a certain level of frustration with EE, but damn near every team said he was the only guy on offense they needed to be concerned with.
Now with a few more new weapons, and Barkley back, let's see how he performs.
I think that attitude towards Engram probably would have been acceptable last season or 2019. I was the same way. But to be honest - enough is enough. You can only create so many losing plays so many times before it really starts to hurt the team on a consistent basis. We are talking about 3-4 games where plays that were not made by him, or led directly to a turnover, that were incredibly costly to the outcome.
+1
Best thing that could have happened when the Eagles took Smith and we were on the clock, did happen. Chicago offered up a sweetheart of a trade package and he did the best thing for the franchise in accepting it.
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
Fuck you dude. I am so tired of you and few others. No matter what is said you just turn it to a negative. We were 4-2 in our own division and we should have been 5-1. That isn't a hope and dream it is a reality. Win your division games is not a loser mentality but instead a common reality for all 32 teams.
That s why you shouldn’t take some opinions here too seriously. Consistent negative takes on Jones and DG, show a strong bias that lacks objectivity.
Hard to defend DG s record, but equally hard to understand criticism of a benign statement about the division given this most recent performance.
They just don’t like the guy, their prerogative.
Oh man that is rich. The sniper strikes, the negative man feels better about himself, he got to throw "snarky' into the mix and as usual offered nothing of substance. HE will sleep well this night. "wow, how kool I am, i got to put down Gettleman".
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by picking Surtain, long rumored to be Dallas' first choice.
I have a friend who is a Denver fan, and when theh took Surtain, I text him and said they f'd the draft up.
I said the same thing to Bill2, smh.
And Dallas seemed very content to take either of Horn/Surtain.
Carolina was a tricky team in most mocks. Most probably had them going Slater. Some had them going with Parsons. I don't recall any giving them the CBs though.
Great point, and I’m sure they would have. Philly would have done it too and been looking at 4(!) first round picks next year. I’m assuming the Wentz conditional pick will become a 1.
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Oh man that is rich. The sniper strikes, the negative man feels better about himself, he got to throw "snarky' into the mix and as usual offered nothing of substance. HE will sleep well this night. "wow, how kool I am, i got to put down Gettleman".
Not really, I would have said the same to you had you posted it. Never like the woulda/coulda/shoulda especially from a GM that hasn't gotten his team to play for anything yet.
But as long as Peart becomes the next Jonathan Ogden like in your posts it shouldn't long now, right?
now I feel better...
To your question, prolly the same, with Smith off the board in either case, assuming the asshat consensus is that we would have taken Smith. Philly did, so they wanted WR. Phrasing the question an operatively different way: would PHIL have bet Toney (or another WR they wanted) would last to 20. Maybe they go Slater or OVT.
And you prove everyday what some of us have been saying for 3 years that there are some posters such as yourself that bow and kneel on the Resume Dave Altar.
You know the team has sucked for the last 3 years. You understand that, right? Year 4 in a historically bad conference this past year and this year we're still projected to be a 7 win team.
Sure things look good for us in year 5 of the DG era provided Jones is going to be good, but cut Jimmy some slack. This organization has "proven" that they still stink. Until you win, you stink.
One year slip is one thing - maybe 2. But even if you don't blame DG - there still has to a concern with the organization.
BTW, I've given the combined 2021 and 2022 at this moment in time right now - I've graded it an A.
I'm hopeful we can win. I'm hopeful DJ comes through. I'm hopeful the OL holds up.
But sure, keep beating the drum that I “bow at the altar” of this regime. I don’t - I’ve said I don’t agree with everything and I’m critical where it needs to be. Team needs to win, win the division, make the playoffs, make some noise, it’s time.
Just because I hold posters accountable for their bullshit doesn’t mean I’m
Some end all be all DG defender. I said 2018 was a disaster, I said Shurmur was a disaster. Everything else, I’m good with.
People like you are going to start looking really foolish in short order, but you’ll still come back here and bitch and moan about the next thing that you don’t like.
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But good grief Maggie is so annoying
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
how about this..
For about 5-6 years this place was enamored and utterly jealous and confused why the Cowboys had such a talented offensive line. An for those 5 years Reese failed to focus on the line properly to protect Eli Manning and give him enough time to win a 3rd SB.
DG comes on board and gives every Giant fan what they wished for years, it cost money but Nate Solder was supposed to be the LT bookend to get Giants back to the championship.
Now DG is in his 4th year as GM and has consistently attributed resources to build what BBI'ers have bitching about for years. Last years draft was calculated and directed strictly to the Offensive line.
So fucking A we have a GM who appreciates the trenches and has a done a promising job upgrading it.
so take a fucking bow
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
on friggin point. Is there anyone who thinks DG belongs in the Canton? It’s as if suggesting that the evaluation of his performance as NYG GM might benefit from some nuance makes someone a lollipop-licking twirly-hat wearing naive little bitch.
Whenever you find yourself channelling all of your frustrations through a lone source (or two), that should be a wakeup call that some persective is needed. Life is rarely that simple.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
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have you guys every asked yourself what it’s in it for anyone to “defend” Gettelman? If so what have you come up with for an answer?
how about this..
For about 5-6 years this place was enamored and utterly jealous and confused why the Cowboys had such a talented offensive line. An for those 5 years Reese failed to focus on the line properly to protect Eli Manning and give him enough time to win a 3rd SB.
DG comes on board and gives every Giant fan what they wished for years, it cost money but Nate Solder was supposed to be the LT bookend to get Giants back to the championship.
Now DG is in his 4th year as GM and has consistently attributed resources to build what BBI'ers have bitching about for years. Last years draft was calculated and directed strictly to the Offensive line.
So fucking A we have a GM who appreciates the trenches and has a done a promising job upgrading it.
so take a fucking bow
If this is the defending group, I’ll stay where I am for a little longer...
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
is he wrong? i thought it was refreshing. Maybe listen to the interview before giving a comment. He was very up front about everything.
You want to talk about how easy 4-2 could have been 3-3 as well? Easy does it here...
Damn you are always the condescending whiny ass?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
As soon as the word hypocrisy enters a post, it’s usually time to stop reading it...
I understand a certain level of frustration with EE, but damn near every team said he was the only guy on offense they needed to be concerned with.
Now with a few more new weapons, and Barkley back, let's see how he performs.
You're lost.
Not sure what to make of it. If we want a "dominant" OL, Hernandez really can't be a part of that solution. Then again, we have a new OL coach, more weapons, hopefully an improving Jones, Barkley back....perhaps these are positives that will make any offensive lineman seem better? I don't know. All i know is that it is a real bummer that Hernandez hasn't lived up to the billing.
What never gets talked about wrt Hernandez over the course of last year is that he was better than Lemieux. And you can say he should outplay a mid-round rook and I'll agree, but the point remains.
Hopefully a year past COVID will result in good things. Obviously I want both players to play exceptionally.
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is such weak-minded commentary that you wouldn't even want to hear from player no less a GM.
Hopefully the rest of it was better though as he had a good weekend...
is he wrong? i thought it was refreshing. Maybe listen to the interview before giving a comment. He was very up front about everything.
You want to talk about how easy 4-2 could have been 3-3 as well? Easy does it here...
Damn you are always the condescending whiny ass?
Then hang out with Rory section. I am sure you two have plenty to talk about...
But sure, keep beating the drum that I “bow at the altar” of this regime. I don’t - I’ve said I don’t agree with everything and I’m critical where it needs to be. Team needs to win, win the division, make the playoffs, make some noise, it’s time.
Just because I hold posters accountable for their bullshit doesn’t mean I’m
Some end all be all DG defender. I said 2018 was a disaster, I said Shurmur was a disaster. Everything else, I’m good with.
People like you are going to start looking really foolish in short order, but you’ll still come back here and bitch and moan about the next thing that you don’t like.
Nah you're doing what you do best and that's covering how you bow at the altar of DG as some others do on here. You'll pick on DG for something worthless and pretend like you are being critical.
In regards to people like me - people like me want DG to do well. But ofc it makes you feel better that you think I'm supposed to be "embarassed" in some manner if my team wins because I've ben pissed they 've sucked for so long. That's the mindset of a 4 year old.
If he does well we win. I was even on board for keeping him when they dumped the coach. I'm okay with Jones right now (but hated the pick way back but okay now)- I would love nothing more than to watch the Giants win. And when they eventually do - I win you win etc.
But until then hearing you whine about other posters that complain that this team has sucked for so long while you keep waving your pom-poms - The team is projected to win 7 games this year in a lousy conference, and do I have to go over how many wins that have had the other years with DG?
A final point. I want to be able to call DG a "GM God." But yeah until they start winning - there's generally a reason to bitch. Because the object of the game is to win. You understand that, right? And if you lose it generally means you aren't playing well, right? SO until they do at least I can count on you to keep waving them pom poms.
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was truly a "bow to the altar" group, I would expect a fair portion of posters to say that Gettleman is a great GM. Has anyone on this site made that argument?
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
As soon as the word hypocrisy enters a post, it’s usually time to stop reading it...
And yet you read it, Clownshoes.
Jimmy Clownshoes. Annoying noises, no utility.
You are a walking, babbling Hypocrite. A poster who tells others how to post and to take breaks, yet when given a chance to take a break when banned did what? Immediately started posting under a dupe handle, LBH15. For a year!! And when called out, what did the Hypocrite do? Vigorously deny he was a dupe and even said some happy horseshit like, "That Googs guy really did a number, huh?"
That's why you're Jimmy Clownshoes. What should be completely sad is now funny. Clownshoes. Annoying, squeaky noises with no utility! Fucking clown
You're comic relief...
Much appreciated
What needs to be recognized is the hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating the GM. When it was pointed out that DG has the best ever GM record for Carolina, the response was that he didn't build the team and was jus ta beneficiary of it. But here, he's held accountable for years of losing.
Keep in mind that the several of the same posters who said he was "gifted" a stacked roster in Carolina are a few of the clowns who continually cite his record here. How many threads do we see a recap of his record here? Those are the same posters saying he only was good n Carolina because he inherited a good team (ignoring the fact that the "good team" still never had back to back winning seasons)
+1 Nor do they have the mental acuity to understand what a dumpster fire this team was under Reese, Ross and McAdoo.
Sometimes all we need is a simple reminder.
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