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Joe Judge: Daniel Jones played through serious injuries

Anando : 5/3/2021 7:04 pm
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Giants coach Joe Judge said most other NFL players would have missed more than only two games.

“Look, Daniel is the last guy that’s going to use anything as an excuse,” Judge, who rarely talks about injuries, told The Michael Kay Show on Monday. What I would say about the injury last year is it was much more serious than maybe people thought on the outside. I would say probably 90 percent of players in the league who would have had that injury, including quarterbacks, would have been on IR for the remainder of the year.

That’s just the reality of it. It was much more severe than maybe he allowed people to know or the information that was put out there, and we’re going to protect our players by not disclosing everything about their injuries to be honest with you. He fought through a lot of things. He earned a lot of people’s respect.”
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He's my quarterback  
adamg : 5/3/2021 7:06 pm : link
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Sounding more and more  
redwhiteandbigblue : 5/3/2021 7:07 pm : link
like Eli. I am really rooting for this kid.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 7:10 pm : link
It's tough not to like DJ. He seems like a hardworking, serious dude who lives & breathes football. That said, it's time to take the next leap this fall or it's time to cut bait.
Joe Judge is the man  
Bear vs Shark : 5/3/2021 7:11 pm : link
How can players not want to run through a goddamn brick wall for him?

And yeah, DJ is a tough son of a bitch, and this makes me feel better about his performance last year. I hope he proves he's a franchise guy, but for some reason, my primary takeaway here is about Judge.

Judge is a fucking LEADER. So happy he's our coach. He has that innate understanding of when to hold people accountable, and when to stick up for his guys
Could barely walk  
ryanmkeane : 5/3/2021 7:21 pm : link
towards the end of that Cardinals game. Glad he’s our QB. Dude is one tough son of a bitch, Here’s to a fully healthy season in 2021
I'm tired of reading posters who want to get rid of Dan Jones.  
TLong : 5/3/2021 7:22 pm : link
So many of BBI posters try to ignore the teams problems on
Offensive Line ( and it has been very "offensive") and on the receiving corps (ps silent).
Give the guy a chance to prove himself under normal conditions and with a decent OL and good receivers.

As for Joe Judge, I think he may make it. Time will tell.
RE: I'm tired of reading posters who want to get rid of Dan Jones.  
Scooter185 : 5/3/2021 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15252182 TLong said:
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So many of BBI posters try to ignore the teams problems on
Offensive Line ( and it has been very "offensive") and on the receiving corps (ps silent).
Give the guy a chance to prove himself under normal conditions and with a decent OL and good receivers.

As for Joe Judge, I think he may make it. Time will tell.


It's not ignoring, it's that we believe a QB can be evaluated without perfect conditions.

On topic: on one hand DJ is certainly one tough SOB, however if you want DJ to be the QB for the next 10 years I'd find this information scary. The last thing you should want is your QB pushing through the kind of injury that could lead to worse injuries.

As Aaron Judge said it's better to miss 1 game than to miss 1 month..
RE: Could barely walk  
Matt in SGS : 5/3/2021 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15252181 ryanmkeane said:
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towards the end of that Cardinals game. Glad he’s our QB. Dude is one tough son of a bitch, Here’s to a fully healthy season in 2021


This. In a way, Hassan Reddick's sack bonanza (and Andrew Thomas' terrible stats as a result) really need an asterisk because Jones was a sitting duck back there. He couldn't/wouldn't move & had no chance. Giants should have never tried to even play him in that game.
So any ideas on what hapened?  
Chris684 : 5/3/2021 7:37 pm : link
Did this guy play on a high ankle sprain? Wow.

Powerful remarks from Judge. Several posters will be noticeably absent from this thread.
RE: I'm tired of reading posters who want to get rid of Dan Jones.  
BSIMatt : 5/3/2021 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15252182 TLong said:
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So many of BBI posters try to ignore the teams problems on
Offensive Line ( and it has been very "offensive") and on the receiving corps (ps silent).
Give the guy a chance to prove himself under normal conditions and with a decent OL and good receivers.

As for Joe Judge, I think he may make it. Time will tell.


Have a feeling a large number of those guys are the ones who never liked the pick in the first place and are still thinking about Josh Allen and what could have been. Subset of those guys could be those still mad at Gettleman choosing Barkley #2 overall, instead of choosing Eli’s successor. Might be wrong about that, but I’m guessing that’s where the some of that sentiment originates.
Drives me nuts that it’s obvious he’s progressing than gets an obvious  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/3/2021 7:43 pm : link
serious injury and “regresses”. Saying it doesn’t matter as far as production goes is one thing, but another when you extrapolate his growth because of him gutting out serious injuries that would have had lots of guys just sit out. It’s arguing to prove a point (DJ sucks) than it is objectively looking at a situation.

We had people pointing out the 12 sacks in two games and just completely gloss over his injuries. Ridiculous, it’s the type of crap you hear on ESPN so they can argue, not fans of the team looking at things objectively and with reason.
No doubt Danny Jones is tough.  
Vanzetti : 5/3/2021 7:43 pm : link
No doubt he is smart.

But that doesn’t mean
He will automatically be a good QB.

RE: RE: Could barely walk  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/3/2021 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15252193 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 15252181 ryanmkeane said:


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towards the end of that Cardinals game. Glad he’s our QB. Dude is one tough son of a bitch, Here’s to a fully healthy season in 2021



This. In a way, Hassan Reddick's sack bonanza (and Andrew Thomas' terrible stats as a result) really need an asterisk because Jones was a sitting duck back there. He couldn't/wouldn't move & had no chance. Giants should have never tried to even play him in that game.


Anyone with two eyes could come to that conclusion, but people see what they want to see I guess.
RE: So any ideas on what hapened?  
Go Terps : 5/3/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15252196 Chris684 said:
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Did this guy play on a high ankle sprain? Wow.

Powerful remarks from Judge. Several posters will be noticeably absent from this thread.


Why do you think that? Which posters?
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Danny Kanell : 5/3/2021 7:53 pm : link
The hamstring was brutal and it was obvious. The ankle held him back too.

I really hope Jones puts it all together. He’s very easy to root for.
Terps  
ryanmkeane : 5/3/2021 7:54 pm : link
why are you even responding - you have repeatedly said that you think Jones is garbage.
RE: He's my quarterback  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15252155 adamg said:
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Fuck yeah. That’s the shit that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 7:56 pm : link
Ding, ding, ding.

GT vs. ryanmkeane, round 67589597.
I'm not bothering with Ryan  
Go Terps : 5/3/2021 7:59 pm : link
Was just asking the other guy who he was fishing for.
2020 Tampa Bay game interceptions  
bcinsd : 5/3/2021 7:59 pm : link
I really liked DJ after year one despite all the TOs but the two terrible interceptions last year against TB that likely cost us the game really started to make me think he may not be the guy.

When things break down around you, do you panic or do you naturally make the right decision. Nobody's perfect, but some guys are clutch and some aren't.

Hoping he breaks out this year, but trying to stay realistic.


RE: I'm not bothering with Ryan  
ryanmkeane : 5/3/2021 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15252224 Go Terps said:
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Was just asking the other guy who he was fishing for.

Self awareness buddy
RE: I'm not bothering with Ryan  
Chris684 : 5/3/2021 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15252224 Go Terps said:
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Was just asking the other guy who he was fishing for.


Cool. So you monitor Daniel Jones threads. Also, I didn't specifically have you in mind but the fact this thread is an hour old and has like 20 replies proves my point. Can you imagine if Judge said something to the opposite effect? Like if he felt Jones sat out injuries that were less severe? This thread would be a party by now.
We all suspected this.  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:06 pm : link
But it’s interesting to hear Judge confirm it. We know two things about Jones for certain at this point, indisputably:

1. He is a hard worker
2. He’s got guts

Hope his hard work pays off for him, the team, and us.
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Go Terps : 5/3/2021 8:06 pm : link
It would be a party because Judge would be a moron to criticize Jones. You're going to get nothing but compliments from him...they mean nothing.

Lotta of quarterbacks are tough...you kind of have to be to make it to the NFL. Dave Brown was tough too.
I stand by the fact that playing him in the Arizona game  
Chris684 : 5/3/2021 8:09 pm : link
was Judge's big rookie mistake of the year but in fairness this is a Ronnie Barnes decision too and in fairness to everyone, maybe Jones was hiding pain and talking up his availability.
Is Daniel Jones healed up now  
M.S. : 5/3/2021 8:10 pm : link

or what?
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BrettNYG10 : 5/3/2021 8:11 pm : link
I don't find Judge's comments on Jones particularly persuasive or indicative that I might be missing something in terms of Jones' 2020 play.

I think Jones had a pretty poor year even throwing out the BAL/AZ games. I'd rather hear about what Jones does well on the field in terms of processing/throws than toughness and respect.
RE: Is Daniel Jones healed up now  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15252234 M.S. said:
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or what?


I hope so. I think Judge was talking about his early return from the hammy.
RE: Terps  
chopperhatch : 5/3/2021 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15252218 ryanmkeane said:
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why are you even responding - you have repeatedly said that you think Jones is garbage.


Its incredible....the self proclaimed oracle of BBI has spoken....again....about the same opinion everybody know he has.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 8:13 pm : link
I agree w/ GT that Judge complimenting DJ is sorta 'Well yeah...what you expect him to say?'

I think us getting a second 1st next year is hedging our bets about DJ long term going forward. Sam Howell anybody?
jones is tough and works hard  
GiantsFan84 : 5/3/2021 8:15 pm : link
he's a real good kid and likable but that doesn't make him good
RE: ...  
Go Terps : 5/3/2021 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15252240 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree w/ GT that Judge complimenting DJ is sorta 'Well yeah...what you expect him to say?'

I think us getting a second 1st next year is hedging our bets about DJ long term going forward. Sam Howell anybody?


Actions speak louder than words, definitely.
RE: We all suspected this.  
WillVAB : 5/3/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15252230 Britt in VA said:
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But it’s interesting to hear Judge confirm it. We know two things about Jones for certain at this point, indisputably:

1. He is a hard worker
2. He’s got guts

Hope his hard work pays off for him, the team, and us.


3. Injury Prone
RE: ...  
Chris684 : 5/3/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15252240 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree w/ GT that Judge complimenting DJ is sorta 'Well yeah...what you expect him to say?'

I think us getting a second 1st next year is hedging our bets about DJ long term going forward. Sam Howell anybody?


I dunno, as of last week I remember reading a Terps conspiracy that Judge secretly doesn't like Jones and wants to be rid of him. I would say Judge has a weird way of of trying to hid his true feelings.
RE: RE: We all suspected this.  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15252246 WillVAB said:
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In comment 15252230 Britt in VA said:


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But it’s interesting to hear Judge confirm it. We know two things about Jones for certain at this point, indisputably:

1. He is a hard worker
2. He’s got guts

Hope his hard work pays off for him, the team, and us.



3. Injury Prone


Cool.
You rooting against him, then?  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:19 pm : link
?
Because that’s a shitty thing to say...  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:21 pm : link
when the whole thread is about the coach complimenting him on playing through injury and earning respect.

Judge didn’t have to say any of that.
RE: Because that’s a shitty thing to say...  
WillVAB : 5/3/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15252258 Britt in VA said:
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when the whole thread is about the coach complimenting him on playing through injury and earning respect.

Judge didn’t have to say any of that.


He’s been in the league two years and got hurt both years. It’s a factual statement until he proves me wrong and stays healthy. Has nothing to do with “rooting against him.”
RE: You rooting against him, then?  
Go Terps : 5/3/2021 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15252253 Britt in VA said:
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What does that matter?
RE: RE: You rooting against him, then?  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15252263 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15252253 Britt in VA said:


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What does that matter?


Well it matters because I want to know who to talk to on here and who to ignore. I appreciate what Jones brings to the table, his attitude, and his work ethic. I’m rooting for him and if you and others are not, then okay. If Jones is good the Giants are good and I appreciate his attitude. He’s doing the work and you’re not so I’m going to root for him.

If you’re rooting against Jones, you’re rooting against the Giants. Point blank.
Bottom Line  
WillVAB : 5/3/2021 8:31 pm : link
I’m tired of hearing about what these players could or will be, or unquantifiable intangible bullshit. “Jones is so tough.” “Engram is such a hard worker.” Cool, then lead a game winning drive or make a sideline catch to close out a game. Now is the time to show me. Jones a franchise guy? Prove it. The OL is talented? Prove it. Barkley is a gold jacket guy? Prove it.

If this team is as talented as the organization is says it is, then they shouldn’t have any problem winning the division this year. Time for results.
And of all threads to choose to make a referendum on Jones...  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:31 pm : link
And you choose this one? Fuck off.
I'm rooting for the Giants to win  
Go Terps : 5/3/2021 8:34 pm : link
I don't care who's the quarterback. I agree he's tough and send like a good guy. But this isn't Eli or Simms...he hasn't earned anything. You could easily argue that rooting for him to keep the job is rooting for the Giants to lose.

I want the Giants to find the path to winning football. We all do. It doesn't have to be with any specific player on the roster, and it doesn't make anyone a better fan if they root for Jones to be the QB.
*seems  
Go Terps : 5/3/2021 8:34 pm : link
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RE: And of all threads to choose to make a referendum on Jones...  
WillVAB : 5/3/2021 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15252272 Britt in VA said:
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.


We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 8:35 pm : link
I think GT wants Jones to succeed, but doesn't think he will. That's a fair take that I don't necessarily disagree with. I think this fall is make or break for Jones.

That said, I had to laugh when GT said he would have drafted Herbert last year @ 4 after DJ's rookie season. That was LOL to me. And again, I respect GT opinions but I thought he was trolling @ that point.
If Judge thought Fields or Mac Jones was a better prospect that DJ  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/3/2021 8:36 pm : link
he would have drafted him. Did you see how we operate in the draft? It's not all Judge, but he has a massive say, and if he didn't want him, he had opportunity to move on. Of course I don't think Fields is a great prospect, but I notice the posters that think DJ is garbage think Fields is a great prospect. I'm not sure how they can reconcile that after the last year and half. If Judge wanted a new QB, he would have gotten one.

Somehow simultaneously Judge is responsible for the turnaround in personnel decisions both in FA and the draft, but yet he doesn't get the QB he wants without having to give up any capital (and would have fetched at least a couple 2nds for DJ considering what Darnold just got). You don't think Bruce Arians would have taken that offer? He didn't do that because he saw exactly what I saw last year. A progressing QB, that worked on his issues over the summer, started slow fixing them, and progressively got better until his injuries derailed him.
RE: Bottom Line  
Britt in VA : 5/3/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15252271 WillVAB said:
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I’m tired of hearing about what these players could or will be, or unquantifiable intangible bullshit. “Jones is so tough.” “Engram is such a hard worker.” Cool, then lead a game winning drive or make a sideline catch to close out a game. Now is the time to show me. Jones a franchise guy? Prove it. The OL is talented? Prove it. Barkley is a gold jacket guy? Prove it.

If this team is as talented as the organization is says it is, then they shouldn’t have any problem winning the division this year. Time for results.


We know what you want. You think it’s not clear? This thread is about a kid stepping into a bigass situation and toughing it out to try and earn the respect of his teammates, coaches, and fans.
RE: RE: And of all threads to choose to make a referendum on Jones...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/3/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15252277 WillVAB said:
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.



We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.


Thomas' game improved considerably as the season progressed.
 
ryanmkeane : 5/3/2021 8:37 pm : link
“This isn’t Simms”?????

Do you remember watching Simms play his first I don’t know…7 seasons?
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